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today."},{"speaker":"Adrian LaPorta","startTime":1429.589,"endTime":1430.704,"body":"It's been really interesting."},{"speaker":"Will Lichtig","startTime":1431.164,"endTime":1431.464,"body":"Adrian."},{"speaker":"Will Lichtig","startTime":1431.464,"endTime":1432.454,"body":"It's been a real pleasure."},{"speaker":"Will Lichtig","startTime":1432.554,"endTime":1433.214,"body":"Thanks very much."},{"speaker":"Will Lichtig","startTime":1433.214,"endTime":1433.904,"body":"I appreciate it."},{"speaker":"Intro","startTime":1434.097,"endTime":1437.457,"body":"Thank you for listening to"},{"speaker":"Intro","startTime":1434.097,"endTime":1437.457,"body":"Built Environment Matters, a podcast"},{"speaker":"Intro","startTime":1437.457,"endTime":1438.777,"body":"brought to you by Bryden Wood."},{"speaker":"Intro","startTime":1439.437,"endTime":1442.947,"body":"Listen and subscribe wherever you get"},{"speaker":"Intro","startTime":1439.437,"endTime":1442.947,"body":"your favorite podcast, and you 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