{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":9.18,"endTime":13.17,"body":"Hello welcome to Built Environment"},{"startTime":9.18,"endTime":13.17,"body":"Matters a monthly podcast brought to"},{"startTime":13.17,"endTime":17.67,"body":"you by Bryden Wood an international"},{"startTime":13.17,"endTime":17.67,"body":"company of technologists designers"},{"startTime":17.67,"endTime":21.72,"body":"architects engineers and analysts"},{"startTime":17.67,"endTime":21.72,"body":"working for a better built environment"},{"startTime":22.41,"endTime":26.19,"body":"Bryden Wood Believe in Design"},{"startTime":22.41,"endTime":26.19,"body":"to Value to cut carbon, drive"},{"startTime":26.195,"endTime":31.205,"body":"efficiency, save time, make beautiful"},{"startTime":26.195,"endTime":31.205,"body":"places, and build a better future."},{"startTime":33.558,"endTime":37.188,"body":"Hello and welcome to 'In Short',"},{"startTime":33.558,"endTime":37.188,"body":"a bite-sized podcast in 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