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So, yeah, I'm very"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1659.57,"endTime":1663.23,"body":"hopeful that the Platform"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1659.57,"endTime":1663.23,"body":"movements gaining momentum,"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1663.23,"endTime":1665.54,"body":"people are starting to engage"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1663.23,"endTime":1665.54,"body":"with it more. And I'm really,"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1665.54,"endTime":1667.61,"body":"really hopeful that all of the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1665.54,"endTime":1667.61,"body":"things I talked about, about the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1667.61,"endTime":1673.04,"body":"possible future will be, you"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1667.61,"endTime":1673.04,"body":"know, our current reality in"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1673.64,"endTime":1676.43,"body":"five years, 10 years time."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1673.64,"endTime":1676.43,"body":"Again, I think it's entirely"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1676.43,"endTime":1678.83,"body":"achievable if the industry"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1676.43,"endTime":1678.83,"body":"decides that this is the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1678.83,"endTime":1681.83,"body":"direction they want to go in."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1678.83,"endTime":1681.83,"body":"And if it's not, why not?"},{"speaker":"Alison Zak-Collins","startTime":1682.28,"endTime":1683.09,"body":"Thanks,"},{"speaker":"Alison Zak-Collins","startTime":1682.28,"endTime":1683.09,"body":"Jaimie."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1683.75,"endTime":1686.03,"body":"Okay, so that's"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1683.75,"endTime":1686.03,"body":"it for me. Thanks again."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1686.03,"endTime":1688.49,"body":"Hopefully, that was an"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1686.03,"endTime":1688.49,"body":"interesting conversation, and I"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1688.49,"endTime":1690.23,"body":"look forward to talking to you"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1688.49,"endTime":1690.23,"body":"on the next one."},{"speaker":"Alison Zak-Collins","startTime":1691.07,"endTime":1693.29,"body":"Next month,"},{"speaker":"Alison Zak-Collins","startTime":1691.07,"endTime":1693.29,"body":"Jaimie will be joined by John"},{"speaker":"Alison Zak-Collins","startTime":1693.29,"endTime":1698.0,"body":"Dyson. John is the former VP of"},{"speaker":"Alison Zak-Collins","startTime":1693.29,"endTime":1698.0,"body":"Capital Strategy at GSK. And now"},{"speaker":"Alison Zak-Collins","startTime":1698.0,"endTime":1700.7,"body":"Professor of Human Enterprise at"},{"speaker":"Alison Zak-Collins","startTime":1698.0,"endTime":1700.7,"body":"the University of Birmingham,"},{"speaker":"Alison Zak-Collins","startTime":1700.7,"endTime":1704.69,"body":"UK. He and Jaimie will be"},{"speaker":"Alison Zak-Collins","startTime":1700.7,"endTime":1704.69,"body":"talking about how we apply the"},{"speaker":"Alison Zak-Collins","startTime":1704.69,"endTime":1708.65,"body":"principles of Design to Value to"},{"speaker":"Alison Zak-Collins","startTime":1704.69,"endTime":1708.65,"body":"designing exceptionally complex"},{"speaker":"Alison Zak-Collins","startTime":1708.65,"endTime":1712.22,"body":"process facilities, including"},{"speaker":"Alison Zak-Collins","startTime":1708.65,"endTime":1712.22,"body":"pharmaceutical manufacturing,"},{"speaker":"Alison Zak-Collins","startTime":1712.4,"endTime":1716.42,"body":"data centers, complex automated"},{"speaker":"Alison Zak-Collins","startTime":1712.4,"endTime":1716.42,"body":"systems, and infrastructure."},{"speaker":"Alison Zak-Collins","startTime":1716.99,"endTime":1719.93,"body":"Make sure you don't miss out."},{"speaker":"Alison Zak-Collins","startTime":1716.99,"endTime":1719.93,"body":"Click the subscribe button."},{"speaker":"Alison Zak-Collins","startTime":1720.35,"endTime":1723.71,"body":"Until next month, thanks for"},{"speaker":"Alison Zak-Collins","startTime":1720.35,"endTime":1723.71,"body":"joining us. 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