{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Credits","startTime":9.06,"endTime":12.18,"body":"Hello, welcome to Built"},{"speaker":"Credits","startTime":9.06,"endTime":12.18,"body":"Environment Matters. A monthly"},{"speaker":"Credits","startTime":12.18,"endTime":15.66,"body":"podcast brought to you by Bryden"},{"speaker":"Credits","startTime":12.18,"endTime":15.66,"body":"Wood, an international company"},{"speaker":"Credits","startTime":15.84,"endTime":18.87,"body":"of technologists, designers,"},{"speaker":"Credits","startTime":15.84,"endTime":18.87,"body":"architects, engineers and"},{"speaker":"Credits","startTime":18.87,"endTime":22.92,"body":"analysts working for a better"},{"speaker":"Credits","startTime":18.87,"endTime":22.92,"body":"built environment. Bryden Wood"},{"speaker":"Credits","startTime":22.92,"endTime":26.88,"body":"believe in Design to Value to"},{"speaker":"Credits","startTime":22.92,"endTime":26.88,"body":"cut carbon, drive efficiency,"},{"speaker":"Credits","startTime":27.06,"endTime":31.14,"body":"save time, make beautiful places"},{"speaker":"Credits","startTime":27.06,"endTime":31.14,"body":"and build a better future."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":32.52,"endTime":35.31,"body":"So hello and"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":32.52,"endTime":35.31,"body":"welcome to another edition of"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":35.61,"endTime":38.43,"body":"Built Environment Matters, the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":35.61,"endTime":38.43,"body":"Bryden Wood podcast. I'm Jamie"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":38.43,"endTime":41.13,"body":"Johnston, Head of Global Systems"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":38.43,"endTime":41.13,"body":"at Bryden Wood and today we're"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":41.13,"endTime":45.15,"body":"joined by our furthest flung"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":41.13,"endTime":45.15,"body":"guest, Craig Lamont, who is"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":45.15,"endTime":47.67,"body":"Chief Commercial Officer at"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":45.15,"endTime":47.67,"body":"asBuilt Digital based in Sydney."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":47.76,"endTime":48.3,"body":"Hi, Craig."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":48.87,"endTime":50.1,"body":"Hi, Jaimie. How"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":48.87,"endTime":50.1,"body":"you doing?"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":50.37,"endTime":51.45,"body":"Yeah, very"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":50.37,"endTime":51.45,"body":"good. Thanks. You're right."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":52.17,"endTime":54.39,"body":"Yeah, very well"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":52.17,"endTime":54.39,"body":"mate. Very well. Thank you very"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":54.39,"endTime":54.72,"body":"much."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":54.9,"endTime":57.66,"body":"Awesome. So for"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":54.9,"endTime":57.66,"body":"those who haven't met you, can"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":57.66,"endTime":60.72,"body":"you can you tell us a bit about"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":57.66,"endTime":60.72,"body":"yourself, your career and what"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":60.72,"endTime":61.44,"body":"you're currently doing?"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":62.14,"endTime":64.78,"body":"Yeah, sure. I grew"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":62.14,"endTime":64.78,"body":"up on a farm. And went  and did"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":64.78,"endTime":70.18,"body":"maths at university, walked out"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":64.78,"endTime":70.18,"body":"with a electronics and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":70.24,"endTime":73.93,"body":"electrical engineering degree"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":70.24,"endTime":73.93,"body":"majoring in electronics. Moved"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":73.93,"endTime":78.67,"body":"into the Telco field. And that"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":73.93,"endTime":78.67,"body":"sent me all around the world"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":78.67,"endTime":82.03,"body":"actually. So I'm fortunate"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":78.67,"endTime":82.03,"body":"enough to be up to 58 countries"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":82.03,"endTime":86.17,"body":"and counting. A lot of them have"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":82.03,"endTime":86.17,"body":"been with work. So Europe,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":86.17,"endTime":89.62,"body":"Middle East Africa, spent a bit"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":86.17,"endTime":89.62,"body":"of time over in London town"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":89.65,"endTime":92.59,"body":"about seven years over there,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":89.65,"endTime":92.59,"body":"then I eventually met my wife,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":92.59,"endTime":96.28,"body":"she was a beautiful Aussie girl"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":92.59,"endTime":96.28,"body":"and we moved to Auckland, I got"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":96.28,"endTime":98.62,"body":"a job at a big engineering"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":96.28,"endTime":98.62,"body":"consultancy doing project"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":98.62,"endTime":102.01,"body":"management, and realized the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":98.62,"endTime":102.01,"body":"folly of my ways that with all"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":102.01,"endTime":108.22,"body":"the things going digital design"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":102.01,"endTime":108.22,"body":"was where it was at. So I moved"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":108.22,"endTime":110.95,"body":"from design into more the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":108.22,"endTime":110.95,"body":"digital field, became an"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":110.95,"endTime":114.25,"body":"executive at a large engineering"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":110.95,"endTime":114.25,"body":"consultancy about three and a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":114.25,"endTime":119.74,"body":"half 1000 staff. And, and left"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":114.25,"endTime":119.74,"body":"in about January last year to"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":119.74,"endTime":123.61,"body":"join asBuilt Digital as"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":119.74,"endTime":123.61,"body":"effectively the Chief Commercial"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":123.61,"endTime":127.24,"body":"Officer. So we are a team of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":123.61,"endTime":127.24,"body":"about 50 over here in Australia"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":127.24,"endTime":130.78,"body":"and New Zealand, headquartered"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":127.24,"endTime":130.78,"body":"in Auckland. So that was"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":130.78,"endTime":134.56,"body":"February the third that I"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":130.78,"endTime":134.56,"body":"joined. Something happened last"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":134.56,"endTime":136.75,"body":"year, which kind of put a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":134.56,"endTime":136.75,"body":"spanner in the works around"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":136.75,"endTime":142.39,"body":"about mid March. But I joined I"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":136.75,"endTime":142.39,"body":"left a big, big consultancy,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":142.84,"endTime":145.9,"body":"because I just want to go out"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":142.84,"endTime":145.9,"body":"and do things right and be"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":145.9,"endTime":149.77,"body":"different. And enjoyed coming"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":145.9,"endTime":149.77,"body":"from a very big team where I had"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":149.77,"endTime":155.02,"body":"950 staff down to a team of 50,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":149.77,"endTime":155.02,"body":"it's been a delight. And now I'm"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":155.05,"endTime":159.46,"body":"out innovating, talking about"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":155.05,"endTime":159.46,"body":"what we can do and actually"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":159.46,"endTime":163.9,"body":"delivering on the promise on all"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":159.46,"endTime":163.9,"body":"things digital and so that's"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":163.9,"endTime":168.07,"body":"kind of been my journey in the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":163.9,"endTime":168.07,"body":"last sort of 25 plus years of of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":168.07,"endTime":170.08,"body":"moving all around sort of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":168.07,"endTime":170.08,"body":"different worlds in different"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":170.08,"endTime":173.17,"body":"countries in different"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":170.08,"endTime":173.17,"body":"industries to land on the space"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":173.17,"endTime":177.55,"body":"of doing digital. Digital in the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":173.17,"endTime":177.55,"body":"built environment really."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":178.21,"endTime":180.64,"body":"Yeah, that's a"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":178.21,"endTime":180.64,"body":"that's an incredibly, it's a"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":180.64,"endTime":182.62,"body":"very interesting journey. I"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":180.64,"endTime":182.62,"body":"mean, I don't know if there is a"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":182.71,"endTime":184.87,"body":"typical way into construction,"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":182.71,"endTime":184.87,"body":"but that certainly one of the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":185.32,"endTime":187.84,"body":"more roundabout ways I've heard."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":185.32,"endTime":187.84,"body":"So the over that sort of period."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":187.84,"endTime":191.44,"body":"Did you sense that you always"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":187.84,"endTime":191.44,"body":"had an interest in digital? Did"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":191.44,"endTime":194.32,"body":"you sense that the construction"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":191.44,"endTime":194.32,"body":"industry was getting more"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":194.32,"endTime":196.48,"body":"digital? Was it a sort of better"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":194.32,"endTime":196.48,"body":"fit? Were you always kind of"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":196.48,"endTime":198.7,"body":"heading towards it? Or At what"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":196.48,"endTime":198.7,"body":"point does something tell you"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":198.7,"endTime":200.92,"body":"what I should go and do"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":198.7,"endTime":200.92,"body":"something over there and in the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":200.92,"endTime":202.03,"body":"built environment space?"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":203.05,"endTime":205.33,"body":"Yeah, it's been a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":203.05,"endTime":205.33,"body":"really interesting journey. I've"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":205.33,"endTime":209.35,"body":"never applied for a job. So I've"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":205.33,"endTime":209.35,"body":"always fallen into a space. And"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":209.41,"endTime":212.5,"body":"I got into construction and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":209.41,"endTime":212.5,"body":"realized I really liked it. I"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":212.59,"endTime":216.4,"body":"recall the moment it happened,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":212.59,"endTime":216.4,"body":"actually, I was on a Skype call"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":217.18,"endTime":220.45,"body":"prior to Teams and all these"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":217.18,"endTime":220.45,"body":"other things. In fact, I think"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":220.45,"endTime":224.59,"body":"it was Lync prior to Skype. And"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":220.45,"endTime":224.59,"body":"I was sitting in a site shed in"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":224.59,"endTime":227.89,"body":"Malaysia and a place called Shah"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":224.59,"endTime":227.89,"body":"Alam, which is just outside of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":227.89,"endTime":232.75,"body":"Kuala Lumpur. And we were doing"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":227.89,"endTime":232.75,"body":"the design for Maggi 2 Minute"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":232.75,"endTime":236.32,"body":"Noodle factory. So you know all"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":232.75,"endTime":236.32,"body":"I can't think of what the UK"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":236.32,"endTime":238.66,"body":"version of a Maggi 2 Minute"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":236.32,"endTime":238.66,"body":"Noodles is, but we all know what"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":238.66,"endTime":243.19,"body":"they are. Pot Noodle possibly is"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":238.66,"endTime":243.19,"body":"something quite similar. And I"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":243.19,"endTime":247.0,"body":"remember sitting in a site shed"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":243.19,"endTime":247.0,"body":"projecting through Lync on a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":247.0,"endTime":251.62,"body":"projector onto a screen wall"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":247.0,"endTime":251.62,"body":"with the Nestle design team and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":251.62,"endTime":255.25,"body":"showing them how the pipe work"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":251.62,"endTime":255.25,"body":"didn't fit inside our building."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":255.73,"endTime":259.87,"body":"And my guy who was driving the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":255.73,"endTime":259.87,"body":"model from Sydney at the time,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":260.23,"endTime":264.31,"body":"got out his mouse. And he drew a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":260.23,"endTime":264.31,"body":"circle around this area that was"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":264.31,"endTime":268.99,"body":"wrong. And he took a screenshot."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":264.31,"endTime":268.99,"body":"And I saw the future of project"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":268.99,"endTime":271.66,"body":"meeting minutes, little did I"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":268.99,"endTime":271.66,"body":"know that will become the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":271.66,"endTime":274.54,"body":"reverse type cloud based"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":271.66,"endTime":274.54,"body":"platforms of the future. But"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":274.54,"endTime":276.94,"body":"that was about seven years ago"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":274.54,"endTime":276.94,"body":"and I just realized there's a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":276.94,"endTime":281.08,"body":"better way. So from then, I just"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":276.94,"endTime":281.08,"body":"stuck my hand up and stuck my"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":281.08,"endTime":286.75,"body":"nose in and I found a way a bit"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":281.08,"endTime":286.75,"body":"like a seeking truffles. You had"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":286.75,"endTime":289.36,"body":"to kind of dig a bit to find out"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":286.75,"endTime":289.36,"body":"what the real good stuff was."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":289.39,"endTime":293.53,"body":"And I really found myself"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":289.39,"endTime":293.53,"body":"bringing this whole concept of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":293.53,"endTime":297.22,"body":"commercial management and design"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":293.53,"endTime":297.22,"body":"delivery really melding together"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":297.55,"endTime":299.26,"body":"to be something that could be a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":297.55,"endTime":299.26,"body":"lot better than what we're"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":299.26,"endTime":303.19,"body":"currently doing and I would get"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":299.26,"endTime":303.19,"body":"myself in all sorts of hurt, and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":303.19,"endTime":307.0,"body":"I had many smart people teach me"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":303.19,"endTime":307.0,"body":"a better way. And I've bumbled"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":307.0,"endTime":309.49,"body":"my way in to become someone that"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":307.0,"endTime":309.49,"body":"knows a lot about this digital"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":309.49,"endTime":313.21,"body":"space now, so it was never a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":309.49,"endTime":313.21,"body":"target that I was aiming for, I"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":313.21,"endTime":316.96,"body":"kind of maybe shot for a star"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":313.21,"endTime":316.96,"body":"and hit the moon. But I'm very"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":316.96,"endTime":320.62,"body":"much realized that there is a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":316.96,"endTime":320.62,"body":"lot of efficiency and very cool"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":320.62,"endTime":323.83,"body":"things to be done when you go"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":320.62,"endTime":323.83,"body":"digital, and I've just kind of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":323.83,"endTime":326.41,"body":"followed my nose. And that's"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":323.83,"endTime":326.41,"body":"kind of where we've landed up."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":326.41,"endTime":329.05,"body":"So, again, a very different"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":326.41,"endTime":329.05,"body":"journey and a very different"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":329.05,"endTime":332.47,"body":"career. But, you know, some of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":329.05,"endTime":332.47,"body":"the stuff that we're playing"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":332.47,"endTime":337.6,"body":"with now is, it's just quite off"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":332.47,"endTime":337.6,"body":"the charts. And I've freak out"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":337.6,"endTime":341.08,"body":"almost every day, how smart the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":337.6,"endTime":341.08,"body":"people are that I work with. And"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":341.08,"endTime":343.84,"body":"yet they turned to me say,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":341.08,"endTime":343.84,"body":"Craig, can you explain it. And I"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":343.84,"endTime":347.38,"body":"think that's it happy landing"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":343.84,"endTime":347.38,"body":"between technical brilliance and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":347.38,"endTime":350.65,"body":"actually a little bit of age and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":347.38,"endTime":350.65,"body":"experience and being around the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":350.65,"endTime":354.37,"body":"traps a bit, understanding what"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":350.65,"endTime":354.37,"body":"people are trying to do. So from"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":354.37,"endTime":357.07,"body":"building, you know, maximum"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":354.37,"endTime":357.07,"body":"security, prisons, to land"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":357.07,"endTime":362.59,"body":"reclamations, to data centers,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":357.07,"endTime":362.59,"body":"to Office towers, the language"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":362.59,"endTime":366.55,"body":"of people is kind of where"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":362.59,"endTime":366.55,"body":"things still really remain. And"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":366.55,"endTime":371.44,"body":"even no matter how digital we"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":366.55,"endTime":371.44,"body":"go, I think the more digital we"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":371.44,"endTime":374.62,"body":"go, the more human we can make"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":371.44,"endTime":374.62,"body":"projects as random as that"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":374.62,"endTime":377.74,"body":"sounds. That's what I truly"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":374.62,"endTime":377.74,"body":"believe. And so being part of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":377.74,"endTime":379.93,"body":"asBuilt is very much about our"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":377.74,"endTime":379.93,"body":"team, and then what we can do"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":379.93,"endTime":382.75,"body":"digitally as a result. And I"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":379.93,"endTime":382.75,"body":"think that's where the future of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":382.75,"endTime":385.66,"body":"this technique is to go, return"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":382.75,"endTime":385.66,"body":"the time back to the human so"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":385.66,"endTime":388.03,"body":"that we can get onto something"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":385.66,"endTime":388.03,"body":"useful, rather than a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":388.03,"endTime":388.63,"body":"spreadsheet."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":388.78,"endTime":390.46,"body":"It's a great"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":388.78,"endTime":390.46,"body":"point. And it's a recurring"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":390.46,"endTime":392.83,"body":"theme actually on for a lot of"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":390.46,"endTime":392.83,"body":"the guests we've had on this"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":392.83,"endTime":395.17,"body":"talking about the Yeah, the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":392.83,"endTime":395.17,"body":"cultural aspect, the human"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":395.17,"endTime":397.48,"body":"aspect is not necessarily"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":395.17,"endTime":397.48,"body":"attended technological shift. So"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":397.66,"endTime":400.84,"body":"let's come back to that. But can"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":397.66,"endTime":400.84,"body":"you tell us a bit more about"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":401.44,"endTime":403.6,"body":"asBuilt for those who haven't"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":401.44,"endTime":403.6,"body":"come across it, what it is, what"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":403.6,"endTime":405.04,"body":"what it does and what the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":403.6,"endTime":405.04,"body":"benefits are."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":405.42,"endTime":408.12,"body":"Yeah, sure."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":405.42,"endTime":408.12,"body":"Listen, asBuilt's a really neat,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":408.33,"endTime":411.33,"body":"small company, we're rapidly"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":408.33,"endTime":411.33,"body":"growing actually. So we're a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":411.33,"endTime":413.82,"body":"team of about 50. At the moment,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":411.33,"endTime":413.82,"body":"as I mentioned, we've got about"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":413.85,"endTime":417.0,"body":"30-35 now, and our, what we"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":413.85,"endTime":417.0,"body":"would call our typical"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":417.0,"endTime":420.45,"body":"BIM"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":417.0,"endTime":420.45,"body":"Consultancy stuff. Dave, who"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":420.45,"endTime":423.96,"body":"started the company started off"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":420.45,"endTime":423.96,"body":"doing laser scanning, because he"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":423.96,"endTime":426.69,"body":"figured there was a better way"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":423.96,"endTime":426.69,"body":"to capture site data, which"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":426.69,"endTime":429.75,"body":"moved into developing models,"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":426.69,"endTime":429.75,"body":"which moved into fabrication"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":429.75,"endTime":433.26,"body":"detailing for contractors, which"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":429.75,"endTime":433.26,"body":"moved on to 'Oh, my goodness,"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":433.26,"endTime":436.53,"body":"I've got all this information,"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":433.26,"endTime":436.53,"body":"how can I share it better with"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":436.77,"endTime":440.28,"body":"my own team and others.' And"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":436.77,"endTime":440.28,"body":"that started the journey within."},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":440.28,"endTime":443.46,"body":"We've got about 15 software"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":440.28,"endTime":443.46,"body":"developers in our business, who"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":443.46,"endTime":446.85,"body":"have developed a platform called"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":443.46,"endTime":446.85,"body":"Vault, which is a spatially"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":446.85,"endTime":449.22,"body":"connected database. And we can"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":446.85,"endTime":449.22,"body":"come back to that a bit later,"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":449.22,"endTime":452.94,"body":"as well as then enabled us to"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":449.22,"endTime":452.94,"body":"think of a whole digital"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":452.94,"endTime":457.35,"body":"ecosystem. So asBuilt now is"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":452.94,"endTime":457.35,"body":"like a fiercely independent"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":459.03,"endTime":462.69,"body":"digital specialists that"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":459.03,"endTime":462.69,"body":"actually trying to unlock the"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":462.69,"endTime":465.6,"body":"services side of doing all the"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":462.69,"endTime":465.6,"body":"BIM and clash and all that"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":465.6,"endTime":469.2,"body":"stuff. And then... helping it"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":465.6,"endTime":469.2,"body":"make value and onto"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":469.23,"endTime":473.97,"body":"construction sites. So unlocking"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":469.23,"endTime":473.97,"body":"the digital playing field of the"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":473.97,"endTime":477.51,"body":"construction site, and I think,"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":473.97,"endTime":477.51,"body":"there's a great unlock coming"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":478.38,"endTime":480.78,"body":"in, I think that so that's kind"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":478.38,"endTime":480.78,"body":"of where asBuilt's playing."},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":481.02,"endTime":485.58,"body":"Services we do BIM management,"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":481.02,"endTime":485.58,"body":"you know, 19 650, Level 2 stuff"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":485.58,"endTime":487.83,"body":"that you guys'll be very"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":485.58,"endTime":487.83,"body":"familiar with. And that's the"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":487.83,"endTime":491.01,"body":"terminology, but then taking"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":487.83,"endTime":491.01,"body":"that into a contractor and"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":491.01,"endTime":494.64,"body":"saying, 'Hey, mister rebar guy,"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":491.01,"endTime":494.64,"body":"did you know that you can count"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":494.64,"endTime":497.79,"body":"your rebars in a different way"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":494.64,"endTime":497.79,"body":"and sign off, that you've"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":497.79,"endTime":502.26,"body":"installed the right amount of"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":497.79,"endTime":502.26,"body":"tonnage, you know, today, and"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":502.26,"endTime":504.45,"body":"doing that all sort of"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":502.26,"endTime":504.45,"body":"digitally.' It's a really"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":504.48,"endTime":507.57,"body":"interesting space to be in,"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":504.48,"endTime":507.57,"body":"actually. So that's kind of who"},{"speaker":"professional services","startTime":507.57,"endTime":507.96,"body":"we are."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":508.23,"endTime":510.3,"body":"Yeah, we talked"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":508.23,"endTime":510.3,"body":"about this with them. Josh"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":510.3,"endTime":512.91,"body":"Johnson, McKinsey, this sort of"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":510.3,"endTime":512.91,"body":"ecosystem of platforms that are"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":512.91,"endTime":515.82,"body":"emerging, and the kind of the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":512.91,"endTime":515.82,"body":"core connective pieces that are"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":515.82,"endTime":518.67,"body":"starting to grow together. So"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":515.82,"endTime":518.67,"body":"presumably, so it's not trying"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":518.67,"endTime":521.67,"body":"to replicate sort of some of the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":518.67,"endTime":521.67,"body":"other software products, it"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":521.67,"endTime":523.71,"body":"sounds like it's stitching"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":521.67,"endTime":523.71,"body":"together software products, and"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":523.71,"endTime":526.11,"body":"allowing them to talk to each"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":523.71,"endTime":526.11,"body":"other in a particular way."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":526.11,"endTime":527.31,"body":"Perhaps you can expand on that a"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":526.11,"endTime":527.31,"body":"bit."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":527.36,"endTime":529.94,"body":"Yeah, sure. So"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":527.36,"endTime":529.94,"body":"look, I mean, you know, if"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":529.94,"endTime":531.86,"body":"you're talking to McKinsey, then"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":529.94,"endTime":531.86,"body":"they'll tell you that"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":532.25,"endTime":534.65,"body":"construction is one of the least"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":532.25,"endTime":534.65,"body":"digitized industries in the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":534.65,"endTime":537.26,"body":"world. I mean, collectively,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":534.65,"endTime":537.26,"body":"there's pockets that are doing"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":537.26,"endTime":541.31,"body":"things amazingly, when you think"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":537.26,"endTime":541.31,"body":"about advanced manufacturing, an"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":541.31,"endTime":545.36,"body":"d itself, that's, you know,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":541.31,"endTime":545.36,"body":"factories and DfMA, and all"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":545.36,"endTime":548.03,"body":"those other Kanban and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":545.36,"endTime":548.03,"body":"just-in-time (JIT) systems and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":548.03,"endTime":549.8,"body":"things like that are really"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":548.03,"endTime":549.8,"body":"pushing technology and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":549.8,"endTime":553.22,"body":"construction and different"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":549.8,"endTime":553.22,"body":"avenues. But that industry as a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":553.22,"endTime":555.38,"body":"whole is still relatively"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":553.22,"endTime":555.38,"body":"undigitized. We've still got a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":555.38,"endTime":557.9,"body":"lot of illiterate people on"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":555.38,"endTime":557.9,"body":"site. And so they're not"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":557.9,"endTime":561.32,"body":"necessarily getting that uptake"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":557.9,"endTime":561.32,"body":"that again, McKinsey reports for"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":561.32,"endTime":563.84,"body":"Africa will describe that in"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":561.32,"endTime":563.84,"body":"great detail missing great"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":563.84,"endTime":567.56,"body":"information in there but my"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":563.84,"endTime":567.56,"body":"personal view is, I reckon a big"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":567.56,"endTime":572.93,"body":"reason is a lack of digitization"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":567.56,"endTime":572.93,"body":"wholly in construction is not"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":572.93,"endTime":575.87,"body":"actually because of a lack of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":572.93,"endTime":575.87,"body":"industry uptake and technology."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":575.9,"endTime":579.35,"body":"My firm belief is it might"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":575.9,"endTime":579.35,"body":"actually be the oversubscription"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":579.68,"endTime":585.59,"body":"by industry to find that silver"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":579.68,"endTime":585.59,"body":"bullet to to solve all the ills"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":585.59,"endTime":588.47,"body":"of a construction site. And so"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":585.59,"endTime":588.47,"body":"we might actually be a product"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":588.47,"endTime":591.2,"body":"their own successes and actually"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":588.47,"endTime":591.2,"body":"using more and more technology"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":591.2,"endTime":594.8,"body":"help us make things more"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":591.2,"endTime":594.8,"body":"efficient. Thereby we become"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":594.8,"endTime":597.77,"body":"less efficient, the great"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":594.8,"endTime":597.77,"body":"pendulum swing of conversation."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":597.77,"endTime":601.28,"body":"So what's the problem? I think"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":597.77,"endTime":601.28,"body":"it is the connectivity, the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":601.28,"endTime":603.89,"body":"ability to connect these"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":601.28,"endTime":603.89,"body":"different platforms together as"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":603.89,"endTime":609.17,"body":"the great unlock. And so we"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":603.89,"endTime":609.17,"body":"don't think of technology by"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":609.17,"endTime":611.87,"body":"platforms or systems, we think"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":609.17,"endTime":611.87,"body":"of technology and being able to"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":611.87,"endTime":615.98,"body":"unlock it is where are we trying"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":611.87,"endTime":615.98,"body":"to unlock it in. So spatial"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":615.98,"endTime":619.43,"body":"connectivity on a construction"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":615.98,"endTime":619.43,"body":"site or in a design, or elements"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":619.43,"endTime":622.31,"body":"of the digital and physical time"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":619.43,"endTime":622.31,"body":"together, that for us is the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":622.31,"endTime":626.78,"body":"great unlock. So it's not a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":622.31,"endTime":626.78,"body":"technology platform issue. It's"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":626.78,"endTime":630.29,"body":"a technology landing issue, I"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":626.78,"endTime":630.29,"body":"think of where it lands and and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":630.29,"endTime":633.14,"body":"why that's effective. Many"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":630.29,"endTime":633.14,"body":"companies out there are solving"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":633.68,"endTime":637.31,"body":"problems in isolation, but who"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":633.68,"endTime":637.31,"body":"are the people who are"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":637.31,"endTime":639.68,"body":"aggregating the data to bring it"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":637.31,"endTime":639.68,"body":"together. So you can look at"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":639.68,"endTime":642.65,"body":"everything at once. And I think"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":639.68,"endTime":642.65,"body":"that's what we've landed on at"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":642.65,"endTime":645.71,"body":"asBuilt. And I think that's"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":642.65,"endTime":645.71,"body":"really where the great unlock"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":645.71,"endTime":647.3,"body":"for the future is going to come"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":645.71,"endTime":647.3,"body":"from."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":647.36,"endTime":648.47,"body":"You made a"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":647.36,"endTime":648.47,"body":"little side comment about"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":648.47,"endTime":653.45,"body":"measuring rebar. I think one of"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":648.47,"endTime":653.45,"body":"the blockers that we see is"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":653.45,"endTime":655.46,"body":"that, you know, trying to get"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":653.45,"endTime":655.46,"body":"digital down into the supply"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":655.46,"endTime":657.89,"body":"chain, there's this sort of"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":655.46,"endTime":657.89,"body":"massive long tail of kind of"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":657.92,"endTime":660.29,"body":"small suppliers. And yeah, the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":657.92,"endTime":660.29,"body":"big contractors, general"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":660.29,"endTime":662.0,"body":"contractors, the big"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":660.29,"endTime":662.0,"body":"consultants, like they're all"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":662.0,"endTime":664.43,"body":"sort of quite digital, but"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":662.0,"endTime":664.43,"body":"there's always this gap between,"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":664.97,"endTime":668.36,"body":"yeah, how do I get that down to"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":664.97,"endTime":668.36,"body":"the individuals on site, the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":668.36,"endTime":671.42,"body":"small contractors, the lower"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":668.36,"endTime":671.42,"body":"tiers, because a lot of the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":671.42,"endTime":673.7,"body":"magic happens down at that"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":671.42,"endTime":673.7,"body":"level, if they're not also"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":673.7,"endTime":676.04,"body":"connected, then either you're"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":673.7,"endTime":676.04,"body":"getting connected, the data is"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":676.04,"endTime":679.13,"body":"just evaporating, or you're not"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":676.04,"endTime":679.13,"body":"gathering it. But that's a great"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":679.13,"endTime":682.01,"body":"example of someone who does a"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":679.13,"endTime":682.01,"body":"rebar saying, 'look, there's a"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":682.01,"endTime":684.44,"body":"better way to do it,' and how do"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":682.01,"endTime":684.44,"body":"you engage those people? So"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":684.62,"endTime":685.82,"body":"yeah, that's an interesting"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":684.62,"endTime":685.82,"body":"point."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":686.05,"endTime":690.43,"body":"We, so the great"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":686.05,"endTime":690.43,"body":"unlock is not at client level,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":690.88,"endTime":693.49,"body":"you know, everyone's chasing the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":690.88,"endTime":693.49,"body":"people with the money to"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":693.49,"endTime":697.0,"body":"improve, and part digitization,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":693.49,"endTime":697.0,"body":"they're looking for systems that"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":697.0,"endTime":699.7,"body":"will look after the ....., and,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":697.0,"endTime":699.7,"body":"you know, all the building"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":699.7,"endTime":701.89,"body":"stuff, and everyone can walk"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":699.7,"endTime":701.89,"body":"into a room and control the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":701.89,"endTime":704.26,"body":"temperature. When you got two"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":701.89,"endTime":704.26,"body":"people in the room, they want a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":704.26,"endTime":706.06,"body":"different temperature, what's"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":704.26,"endTime":706.06,"body":"the temperature going to be? I"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":706.06,"endTime":709.51,"body":"mean, that's not the great"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":706.06,"endTime":709.51,"body":"unlock, right?  So it's a bit"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":709.51,"endTime":712.15,"body":"like two watches, you know, if"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":709.51,"endTime":712.15,"body":"someone if we they've got a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":712.15,"endTime":714.22,"body":"different time on what's the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":712.15,"endTime":714.22,"body":"correct time, well Greenwich"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":714.22,"endTime":717.7,"body":"Mean Time. Cool. But if I don't"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":714.22,"endTime":717.7,"body":"have that available to me, then"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":717.73,"endTime":721.03,"body":"you know, it's a conversation"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":717.73,"endTime":721.03,"body":"around that stuff. There's a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":721.06,"endTime":723.1,"body":"there's a, there's a real"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":721.06,"endTime":723.1,"body":"problem that you say the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":723.1,"endTime":726.55,"body":"consultants are very digital,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":723.1,"endTime":726.55,"body":"but are they really I mean, they"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":726.55,"endTime":729.04,"body":"kind of digital for some of the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":726.55,"endTime":729.04,"body":"processes, but are they digital"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":729.04,"endTime":732.13,"body":"to unlock the rebar guy. If"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":729.04,"endTime":732.13,"body":"they're not, then I think"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":732.13,"endTime":735.55,"body":"there's a disconnect there,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":732.13,"endTime":735.55,"body":"that's  apparent, we're pushing"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":735.55,"endTime":738.4,"body":"contractual risk and other stuff"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":735.55,"endTime":738.4,"body":"down onto contractors who push"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":738.4,"endTime":741.88,"body":"it down the chain. So the great"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":738.4,"endTime":741.88,"body":"unlock actually is the guy on"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":741.88,"endTime":746.89,"body":"the rebar site, if he could use"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":741.88,"endTime":746.89,"body":"technology and not even realize"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":746.89,"endTime":751.15,"body":"he's doing it, then we're gonna"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":746.89,"endTime":751.15,"body":"unlock more technology more of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":751.15,"endTime":754.57,"body":"the time. So you know we really"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":751.15,"endTime":754.57,"body":"need is something that's going"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":754.57,"endTime":757.54,"body":"to change the entire world all"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":754.57,"endTime":757.54,"body":"at once. And I think the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":757.54,"endTime":761.17,"body":"greatest way to unlock the guy,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":757.54,"endTime":761.17,"body":"at a rebar site, or it might be"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":761.17,"endTime":763.06,"body":"a plumber, might be an"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":761.17,"endTime":763.06,"body":"electrician, or whatever would"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":763.06,"endTime":767.5,"body":"be to stop him going to the pub,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":763.06,"endTime":767.5,"body":"unless he signs over the QR code"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":767.5,"endTime":770.62,"body":"on his mobile phone to say where"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":767.5,"endTime":770.62,"body":"he is and where he's going to"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":770.62,"endTime":776.14,"body":"be. And so, because if he can't"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":770.62,"endTime":776.14,"body":"get a pint of beer, or a gin or"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":776.17,"endTime":779.02,"body":"the wine, whatever you might be"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":776.17,"endTime":779.02,"body":"into, he'll find a way to use"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":779.02,"endTime":782.05,"body":"digital to enable that process"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":779.02,"endTime":782.05,"body":"to happen. So if we use that"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":782.05,"endTime":785.11,"body":"same technology to unlock"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":782.05,"endTime":785.11,"body":"construction, possibly not a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":785.11,"endTime":788.71,"body":"reward with a beer, but maybe a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":785.11,"endTime":788.71,"body":"reward with you've done your"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":788.71,"endTime":791.59,"body":"job, it's already logged back at"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":788.71,"endTime":791.59,"body":"the site shed , you don't have"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":791.59,"endTime":794.68,"body":"to go and fill out paperwork,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":791.59,"endTime":794.68,"body":"you can go home an hour early,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":795.04,"endTime":798.49,"body":"then I think we're going to see"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":795.04,"endTime":798.49,"body":"the platform unlock, and also"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":798.49,"endTime":801.94,"body":"the technology unlock. And then"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":798.49,"endTime":801.94,"body":"the conversations unlock about"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":801.94,"endTime":805.6,"body":"we using construction"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":801.94,"endTime":805.6,"body":"digitalization all the time. And"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":805.6,"endTime":808.54,"body":"then when we start to bring all"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":805.6,"endTime":808.54,"body":"that to bear , you'll start to"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":808.54,"endTime":811.66,"body":"see some real platforms come"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":808.54,"endTime":811.66,"body":"forward that are thinking not at"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":811.66,"endTime":815.23,"body":"the level of the consultant. We"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":811.66,"endTime":815.23,"body":"they're kind of right. It's"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":815.23,"endTime":819.34,"body":"actually how do I unlock the guy"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":815.23,"endTime":819.34,"body":"that can't read so well, to get"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":819.34,"endTime":822.76,"body":"him to use technology. Once we"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":819.34,"endTime":822.76,"body":"unlock that, then the sub trades"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":822.76,"endTime":824.65,"body":"are unlocked, the main"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":822.76,"endTime":824.65,"body":"contractors are unlocked,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":824.98,"endTime":828.37,"body":"suddenly, we're in the the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":824.98,"endTime":828.37,"body":"ecosystem is unlocked. And that"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":828.37,"endTime":832.0,"body":"kind of genuinely how we feel"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":828.37,"endTime":832.0,"body":"about what needs to happen on"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":832.0,"endTime":837.67,"body":"construction sites. More BIM is"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":832.0,"endTime":837.67,"body":"not going to save the day. A"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":837.67,"endTime":841.78,"body":"drawing numbering system is not"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":837.67,"endTime":841.78,"body":"going to save the guy installing"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":841.84,"endTime":843.19,"body":"rebar on site."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":843.58,"endTime":846.22,"body":"Yeah, it's"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":843.58,"endTime":846.22,"body":"always like habit forming, isn't"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":846.22,"endTime":849.22,"body":"it? I mean, it's, the guys on"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":846.22,"endTime":849.22,"body":"site will have picked up their"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":849.22,"endTime":852.79,"body":"phone 50 times a day and looked"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":849.22,"endTime":852.79,"body":"at I don't know football results"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":852.79,"endTime":854.8,"body":"out of Google something, or"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":852.79,"endTime":854.8,"body":"they've bought something on"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":854.8,"endTime":858.97,"body":"Amazon, they'll have checked in"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":854.8,"endTime":858.97,"body":"with the kids, it's all of those"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":858.97,"endTime":861.94,"body":"things. Again, it just needs to"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":858.97,"endTime":861.94,"body":"be part of that habit of going"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":861.97,"endTime":864.61,"body":"'Oh, and I should take a photo"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":861.97,"endTime":864.61,"body":"of that or I should scan that."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":864.61,"endTime":866.65,"body":"And I should ping that.' That's"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":864.61,"endTime":866.65,"body":"that's really where it's going."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":866.65,"endTime":868.84,"body":"Isn't it the if you can get the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":866.65,"endTime":868.84,"body":"people who already use that"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":869.11,"endTime":871.12,"body":"technology all the time, just"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":869.11,"endTime":871.12,"body":"for slightly different purpose,"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":871.12,"endTime":872.26,"body":"then? Yeah, you're right."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":872.26,"endTime":872.41,"body":"Correct"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":872.41,"endTime":874.39,"body":"The the impact"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":872.41,"endTime":874.39,"body":"is massive, isn't it?"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":875.02,"endTime":877.78,"body":"Yeah. And again,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":875.02,"endTime":877.78,"body":"logging those photos. And we"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":877.78,"endTime":880.42,"body":"talk about AI and machine"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":877.78,"endTime":880.42,"body":"learning, quantum computing, and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":880.42,"endTime":883.78,"body":"all the other buzzwords that are"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":880.42,"endTime":883.78,"body":"out there at the moment. They're"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":883.78,"endTime":887.23,"body":"all nothing without data. So if"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":883.78,"endTime":887.23,"body":"we collect that data, and we can"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":887.23,"endTime":890.62,"body":"map it spatially that this photo"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":887.23,"endTime":890.62,"body":"was taken at this point, well,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":890.62,"endTime":893.68,"body":"then you've unlocked where that"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":890.62,"endTime":893.68,"body":"data lands and suddenly it adds"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":893.68,"endTime":897.7,"body":"more value to that information"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":893.68,"endTime":897.7,"body":"set. So I talked about this"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":897.73,"endTime":901.45,"body":"often that that you know, data."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":897.73,"endTime":901.45,"body":"People say like data is like the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":901.45,"endTime":905.2,"body":"new oil. And I agree with them"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":901.45,"endTime":905.2,"body":"completely. Crude oil coming out"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":905.2,"endTime":908.83,"body":"of the ground is absolutely"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":905.2,"endTime":908.83,"body":"useless. You know, it's thick"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":908.86,"endTime":911.77,"body":"and sludgy and useless. It's"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":908.86,"endTime":911.77,"body":"great when you refine it and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":911.77,"endTime":914.98,"body":"turn it into plastic or fuel or"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":911.77,"endTime":914.98,"body":"whatever you want to do with it."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":915.43,"endTime":919.03,"body":"But in itself, crude oil is"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":915.43,"endTime":919.03,"body":"pretty darn useless. So, in"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":919.03,"endTime":922.57,"body":"fact, that causes all sorts of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":919.03,"endTime":922.57,"body":"environmental disasters, a bit"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":922.57,"endTime":926.68,"body":"like raw data out in the world,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":922.57,"endTime":926.68,"body":"causes all sorts of disasters as"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":926.68,"endTime":929.68,"body":"well. So you've got to refine"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":926.68,"endTime":929.68,"body":"it, you got to give that data,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":929.68,"endTime":932.59,"body":"some value, got to give it some"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":929.68,"endTime":932.59,"body":"reason for being there. Once you"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":932.59,"endTime":935.47,"body":"start doing that, it becomes"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":932.59,"endTime":935.47,"body":"information. Now information is"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":935.47,"endTime":940.15,"body":"the great unlock data is just"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":935.47,"endTime":940.15,"body":"ones and zeros or states of ones"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":940.15,"endTime":945.64,"body":"or zeros if you're into quantum"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":940.15,"endTime":945.64,"body":"computing. So, yeah, something"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":945.64,"endTime":948.55,"body":"as simple as a photo reference"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":945.64,"endTime":948.55,"body":"to where it is on our site"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":948.82,"endTime":951.94,"body":"suddenly adds value to that"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":948.82,"endTime":951.94,"body":"photo being taken. And then you"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":951.94,"endTime":954.31,"body":"can check that it was taken, and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":951.94,"endTime":954.31,"body":"that guy knows that he's done"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":954.31,"endTime":957.46,"body":"his job as well. So a very"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":954.31,"endTime":957.46,"body":"different way to look at things"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":957.46,"endTime":957.82,"body":"actually."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":957.88,"endTime":960.07,"body":"Yeah, there's"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":957.88,"endTime":960.07,"body":"always that sort of disconnect,"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":960.1,"endTime":964.09,"body":"I think, or, I mean, you"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":960.1,"endTime":964.09,"body":"mentioned ISO 19 650, even"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":964.09,"endTime":968.02,"body":"people who are sort of BIM"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":964.09,"endTime":968.02,"body":"experts, argue like hell about"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":968.02,"endTime":970.27,"body":"the individual terms, the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":968.02,"endTime":970.27,"body":"individual words, and you go"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":970.27,"endTime":972.43,"body":"here by time that sort of"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":970.27,"endTime":972.43,"body":"filtered down to the person on"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":972.43,"endTime":975.22,"body":"site who's going I just want to"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":972.43,"endTime":975.22,"body":"get this done. You're not really"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":975.22,"endTime":977.29,"body":"telling me you're right. But the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":975.22,"endTime":977.29,"body":"disconnect between sort of BIM"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":977.29,"endTime":978.43,"body":"and real world is a bit."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":978.45,"endTime":981.66,"body":"Yeah. But it's not"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":978.45,"endTime":981.66,"body":"unwarranted, though. I mean, we"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":981.66,"endTime":984.33,"body":"need that language. And we need"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":981.66,"endTime":984.33,"body":"that connectivity to make sure"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":984.33,"endTime":988.53,"body":"that we are getting the sort of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":984.33,"endTime":988.53,"body":"output that we require. Dave who"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":988.53,"endTime":991.71,"body":"started our company calls it BIM"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":988.53,"endTime":991.71,"body":"bollocks, though - excuse my"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":991.71,"endTime":996.0,"body":"language. Yeah, so there's if"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":991.71,"endTime":996.0,"body":"9650 and 50, we really need"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":996.0,"endTime":1001.01,"body":"prescription to deliver us an"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":996.0,"endTime":1001.01,"body":"outcome. Think of something real"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1001.01,"endTime":1004.37,"body":"world where our friend Elon Musk"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1001.01,"endTime":1004.37,"body":"has just been talking about"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1004.37,"endTime":1007.25,"body":"various different"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1004.37,"endTime":1007.25,"body":"cryptocurrencies. He was driving"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1007.25,"endTime":1010.52,"body":"Tesla into the ground, because"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1007.25,"endTime":1010.52,"body":"he was so innovative all the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1010.52,"endTime":1012.2,"body":"time talking about all these"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1010.52,"endTime":1012.2,"body":"different things that were"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1012.2,"endTime":1014.78,"body":"available. And they brought in"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1012.2,"endTime":1014.78,"body":"someone to manage the business"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1014.78,"endTime":1017.48,"body":"and took him out of that role,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1014.78,"endTime":1017.48,"body":"and let him be the innovator. So"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1017.48,"endTime":1021.2,"body":"prescription has a place that's"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1017.48,"endTime":1021.2,"body":"required, and it's needed to"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1021.2,"endTime":1024.26,"body":"make sure we get a consistency"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1021.2,"endTime":1024.26,"body":"of outcome. But it's not going"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1024.26,"endTime":1027.05,"body":"to save the day when it comes to"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1024.26,"endTime":1027.05,"body":"trying to drive industry change."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1027.32,"endTime":1029.33,"body":"So you got to you got to"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1027.32,"endTime":1029.33,"body":"recognize that they got to work"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1029.33,"endTime":1032.96,"body":"together. The true innovator"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1029.33,"endTime":1032.96,"body":"hates prescription, prescription"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1032.96,"endTime":1036.05,"body":"hate innovation, you got to find"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1032.96,"endTime":1036.05,"body":"that happy landing point between"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1036.05,"endTime":1039.17,"body":"them. And I think it's a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1036.05,"endTime":1039.17,"body":"challenge that will be going on"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1039.17,"endTime":1042.2,"body":"a bit like sales and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1039.17,"endTime":1042.2,"body":"manufacture, and any other sort"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1042.2,"endTime":1045.47,"body":"of industry as well. Why don't"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1042.2,"endTime":1045.47,"body":"you sell what we can make? Why"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1045.47,"endTime":1048.41,"body":"don't you make what I can sell?"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1045.47,"endTime":1048.41,"body":"Is that same conversation going"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1048.41,"endTime":1051.5,"body":"on all the time? So we tried to"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1048.41,"endTime":1051.5,"body":"remove ourselves from"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1051.5,"endTime":1055.07,"body":"prescriptive language? What if"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1051.5,"endTime":1055.07,"body":"we called every single thing on"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1055.07,"endTime":1058.4,"body":"a construction site blue? And"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1055.07,"endTime":1058.4,"body":"the only thing that would"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1058.4,"endTime":1060.41,"body":"determine what's the difference"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1058.4,"endTime":1060.41,"body":"between them as essential"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1060.41,"endTime":1063.26,"body":"physical location on site, we"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1060.41,"endTime":1063.26,"body":"could get things built, they"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1063.26,"endTime":1066.53,"body":"used to build things with paper"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1063.26,"endTime":1066.53,"body":"before computers. And so digital"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1066.53,"endTime":1068.81,"body":"hasn't necessarily save the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1066.53,"endTime":1068.81,"body":"world in that regard. You know,"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1069.02,"endTime":1072.65,"body":"So what's the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1069.02,"endTime":1072.65,"body":"sort of um? We've mentioned? 19"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1072.65,"endTime":1076.67,"body":"650. UK standards? what's what's"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1072.65,"endTime":1076.67,"body":"happening down there in"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1076.76,"endTime":1079.94,"body":"Australia, New Zealand in terms"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1076.76,"endTime":1079.94,"body":"of digital adoption first and"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1079.94,"endTime":1081.62,"body":"the way you've approached it?"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1079.94,"endTime":1081.62,"body":"And then maybe we'll come on"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1081.62,"endTime":1083.33,"body":"sort of Modern Methods of"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1081.62,"endTime":1083.33,"body":"Construction and Design for"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1083.33,"endTime":1084.14,"body":"Manufacture and Assembly?"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1084.0,"endTime":1085.32,"body":"here as well. Yeah, so far so"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1084.0,"endTime":1085.32,"body":"common"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1084.0,"endTime":1086.1,"body":"Yeah, yeah, look,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1084.0,"endTime":1086.1,"body":"can we can go both ways. So"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1085.0,"endTime":1137.14,"body":"Yes. Right. So you've then got"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1085.0,"endTime":1137.14,"body":"the other side of things with"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1086.1,"endTime":1089.58,"body":"you're really getting? So what"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1086.1,"endTime":1089.58,"body":"is it, there's a recognition"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1089.58,"endTime":1091.92,"body":"here that we do have to have"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1089.58,"endTime":1091.92,"body":"some sort of standard to meet"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1091.92,"endTime":1095.04,"body":"the requirement, we've gone, a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1091.92,"endTime":1095.04,"body":"little bit of everyone go and do"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1095.04,"endTime":1098.01,"body":"your own thing. And then the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1095.04,"endTime":1098.01,"body":"output that's coming out as"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1098.19,"endTime":1100.86,"body":"people don't know what they're"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1098.19,"endTime":1100.86,"body":"receiving, they don't know why"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1100.86,"endTime":1103.92,"body":"they're getting at the type of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1100.86,"endTime":1103.92,"body":"industry have over here being"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1104.1,"endTime":1106.74,"body":"especially in Australia being"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1104.1,"endTime":1106.74,"body":"more a design and construction"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1106.74,"endTime":1111.0,"body":"market, the designers almost"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1106.74,"endTime":1111.0,"body":"come up with a concept design,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1111.3,"endTime":1113.4,"body":"which is tested in some"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1111.3,"endTime":1113.4,"body":"engineering thought that goes"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1113.4,"endTime":1116.07,"body":"into it, then it's all handed"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1113.4,"endTime":1116.07,"body":"over to the contractor to derisk"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1116.07,"endTime":1118.35,"body":"the program and the contractor"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1116.07,"endTime":1118.35,"body":"that then goes and makes a whole"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1118.35,"endTime":1122.01,"body":"lot of changes in and, you know,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1118.35,"endTime":1122.01,"body":"basically works out a way to"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1122.01,"endTime":1124.98,"body":"make it work for them, and then"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1122.01,"endTime":1124.98,"body":"deliver what they've kind of got"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1124.98,"endTime":1127.74,"body":"left back to the client. I mean,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1124.98,"endTime":1127.74,"body":"that's a very crude way,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1127.77,"endTime":1130.71,"body":"consider how a large majority of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1127.77,"endTime":1130.71,"body":"the built environment has worked"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1137.14,"endTime":1140.26,"body":"governments trying to lead"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1137.14,"endTime":1140.26,"body":"innovation path. So certainly"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1140.26,"endTime":1142.51,"body":"following what's happening in"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1140.26,"endTime":1142.51,"body":"the UK with Level 2 BIM and the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1142.51,"endTime":1145.99,"body":"conversations there. You've got"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1142.51,"endTime":1145.99,"body":"different states in Australia"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1145.99,"endTime":1149.83,"body":"that are applying different"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1145.99,"endTime":1149.83,"body":"approaches. And Queensland is"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1149.83,"endTime":1152.35,"body":"very much any project over $50"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1149.83,"endTime":1152.35,"body":"million dollars now for"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1152.35,"endTime":1155.92,"body":"government project has to be"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1152.35,"endTime":1155.92,"body":"fully BIM detailed. So there's a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1155.92,"endTime":1158.92,"body":"whole set of requirements that"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1155.92,"endTime":1158.92,"body":"are there is an output and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1158.92,"endTime":1162.73,"body":"deliverable there that fee or"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1158.92,"endTime":1162.73,"body":"promote contract the market is I"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1162.73,"endTime":1166.06,"body":"will just do it to be compliant."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1162.73,"endTime":1166.06,"body":"They're not necessarily doing it"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1166.06,"endTime":1170.68,"body":"to be more efficient. Moving"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1166.06,"endTime":1170.68,"body":"down the country, transport for"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1170.68,"endTime":1173.68,"body":"New South Wales has come up with"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1170.68,"endTime":1173.68,"body":"an amazing digital engineering"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1173.68,"endTime":1177.25,"body":"framework to set the output"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1173.68,"endTime":1177.25,"body":"requirements that they want"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1177.28,"endTime":1180.19,"body":"industry to meet. But then"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1177.28,"endTime":1180.19,"body":"again, I think it's got lost and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1180.19,"endTime":1182.47,"body":"some other sort of government"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1180.19,"endTime":1182.47,"body":"context of what's going on"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1182.47,"endTime":1186.37,"body":"there. So but it's certainly"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1182.47,"endTime":1186.37,"body":"trying to try drive large"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1186.4,"endTime":1189.55,"body":"infrastructure programs of work"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1186.4,"endTime":1189.55,"body":"because they are so complex with"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1189.55,"endTime":1193.15,"body":"so many bits, feeds into health"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1189.55,"endTime":1193.15,"body":"and schools and other things as"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1193.15,"endTime":1196.15,"body":"well. Government lead,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1193.15,"endTime":1196.15,"body":"commercial was kind of doing it"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1196.18,"endTime":1201.25,"body":"to make a buck would be my"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1196.18,"endTime":1201.25,"body":"honest view. It's not the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1201.25,"endTime":1204.31,"body":"delivery of BIM as a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1201.25,"endTime":1204.31,"body":"professional service is getting"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1204.31,"endTime":1206.95,"body":"more and more and more"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1204.31,"endTime":1206.95,"body":"commoditized. So once you"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1206.95,"endTime":1209.65,"body":"commoditize, something, you tend"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1206.95,"endTime":1209.65,"body":"to lose the value and why you're"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1209.65,"endTime":1213.88,"body":"doing it. And yet rates are"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1209.65,"endTime":1213.88,"body":"going up all the time, people"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1213.88,"endTime":1216.82,"body":"are wanting more money for doing"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1213.88,"endTime":1216.82,"body":"less. You know, it's that all"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1216.85,"endTime":1220.75,"body":"that sort of adage. But so"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1216.85,"endTime":1220.75,"body":"there's a combination of some"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1221.38,"endTime":1223.78,"body":"DfMA Modern Methods of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1221.38,"endTime":1223.78,"body":"Construction as driving"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1223.78,"endTime":1225.97,"body":"different thinking, which is,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1223.78,"endTime":1225.97,"body":"which is really, really cool."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1226.45,"endTime":1228.79,"body":"But yet, it's still contesting"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1226.45,"endTime":1228.79,"body":"with the old ways of making"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1228.79,"endTime":1234.25,"body":"money. And so the cost of MMC is"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1228.79,"endTime":1234.25,"body":"really, really high. Again, it's"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1234.25,"endTime":1238.3,"body":"being driven by schools and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1234.25,"endTime":1238.3,"body":"health infrastructure sort of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1238.3,"endTime":1241.18,"body":"uptake. And then we have other"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1238.3,"endTime":1241.18,"body":"things that are happening from a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1241.18,"endTime":1245.05,"body":"pure compliance perspective,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1241.18,"endTime":1245.05,"body":"things like aluminimum cladding"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1245.05,"endTime":1248.32,"body":"replacement programs, and other"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1245.05,"endTime":1248.32,"body":"stuff that are government pieces"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1248.32,"endTime":1250.87,"body":"of work coming out there looking"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1248.32,"endTime":1250.87,"body":"for really innovative ways to"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1250.87,"endTime":1254.32,"body":"deliver such things, which are"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1250.87,"endTime":1254.32,"body":"trying to push boundaries of not"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1254.32,"endTime":1258.04,"body":"the more normal way of doing"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1254.32,"endTime":1258.04,"body":"things. So there are the similar"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1258.04,"endTime":1261.58,"body":"standards, we're seeing 11, nine"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1258.04,"endTime":1261.58,"body":"or 19 650 type stuff coming in"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1261.58,"endTime":1266.14,"body":"here. We're seeing with Level 2"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1261.58,"endTime":1266.14,"body":"coming in here and the language,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1266.77,"endTime":1270.01,"body":"how are we tying smart contracts"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1266.77,"endTime":1270.01,"body":"into those sorts of outcomes?"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1270.79,"endTime":1276.43,"body":"It's a lot piecemeal, actually."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1270.79,"endTime":1276.43,"body":"And I don't think because of the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1276.49,"endTime":1279.64,"body":"size of the beast, that the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1276.49,"endTime":1279.64,"body":"government itself can get it all"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1279.64,"endTime":1283.03,"body":"under control, certainly driving"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1279.64,"endTime":1283.03,"body":"their programs of work, but then"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1283.51,"endTime":1287.35,"body":"we're getting cost overruns for"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1283.51,"endTime":1287.35,"body":"what those the benefit that"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1287.35,"endTime":1290.2,"body":"they're realizing for the inputs"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1287.35,"endTime":1290.2,"body":"that are going on. So probably"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1290.2,"endTime":1292.48,"body":"similar to what you've seen in"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1290.2,"endTime":1292.48,"body":"the UK, it's the swing in the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1292.48,"endTime":1295.36,"body":"roundabout. Unless you do"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1292.48,"endTime":1295.36,"body":"something, you get nothing"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1295.36,"endTime":1298.12,"body":"unless you've once you prescribe"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1295.36,"endTime":1298.12,"body":"something, then it's too much."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1298.12,"endTime":1301.96,"body":"It's a, it's a balance between"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1298.12,"endTime":1301.96,"body":"the whole thing so people are"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1302.2,"endTime":1306.43,"body":"genuinely though looking for"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1302.2,"endTime":1306.43,"body":"ways to derisk programs or work,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1306.7,"endTime":1309.37,"body":"they genuinely looking for ways"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1306.7,"endTime":1309.37,"body":"to make additional profit."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1310.57,"endTime":1313.87,"body":"Programs are coming down, build"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1310.57,"endTime":1313.87,"body":"times are coming down. And so"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1313.87,"endTime":1317.2,"body":"they're looking for ways to"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1313.87,"endTime":1317.2,"body":"modularlise and make stuff work."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1317.2,"endTime":1320.62,"body":"And you can only do that with"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1317.2,"endTime":1320.62,"body":"proper digital coordination. So"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1320.62,"endTime":1323.77,"body":"yeah, there's, I think all sides"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1320.62,"endTime":1323.77,"body":"of the fence over here, Wild"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1323.77,"endTime":1327.46,"body":"Wild West, right up to highly"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1323.77,"endTime":1327.46,"body":"prescriptive. It's a it's an"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1327.46,"endTime":1331.87,"body":"interesting place to be and, you"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1327.46,"endTime":1331.87,"body":"know, job for life mate! Be"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1331.87,"endTime":1334.81,"body":"honest about it, because we can"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1331.87,"endTime":1334.81,"body":"find our happy landing in any of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1334.81,"endTime":1339.46,"body":"those sorts of spots. So yeah,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1334.81,"endTime":1339.46,"body":"yeah, the big Tier 1 contractors"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1339.46,"endTime":1341.59,"body":"here are trying to drive"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1339.46,"endTime":1341.59,"body":"innovation on a different way,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1341.59,"endTime":1344.41,"body":"the smaller guys are looking for"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1341.59,"endTime":1344.41,"body":"a point in difference. And so we"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1344.41,"endTime":1346.42,"body":"kind of landing in both those"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1344.41,"endTime":1346.42,"body":"zones really."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1346.48,"endTime":1349.09,"body":"The drivers for"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1346.48,"endTime":1349.09,"body":"DfMA must be slightly different,"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1349.09,"endTime":1352.45,"body":"because they're just the the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1349.09,"endTime":1352.45,"body":"geographic spread the size and"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1352.45,"endTime":1355.42,"body":"the kind of low density of"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1352.45,"endTime":1355.42,"body":"population that must tell you"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1355.42,"endTime":1358.27,"body":"something about how you how you"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1355.42,"endTime":1358.27,"body":"do DfMA and how you deliver"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1358.27,"endTime":1360.22,"body":"things. Is that sort of having"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1358.27,"endTime":1360.22,"body":"an impact yet? Or is that"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1360.22,"endTime":1360.55,"body":"still..."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1360.3,"endTime":1363.6,"body":"...the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1360.3,"endTime":1363.6,"body":"conversations are starting for"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1363.6,"endTime":1366.57,"body":"sure. I mean, we've got large"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1363.6,"endTime":1366.57,"body":"contractors now that are setting"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1366.57,"endTime":1369.81,"body":"up their own DfMA plants, and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1366.57,"endTime":1369.81,"body":"again, but we've got two schools"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1369.81,"endTime":1372.57,"body":"of thought. In that regard,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1369.81,"endTime":1372.57,"body":"we've got the and I'm going to"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1372.57,"endTime":1375.18,"body":"use terminology here, we've got"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1372.57,"endTime":1375.18,"body":"the 'Apple' school of thought,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1375.51,"endTime":1377.91,"body":"the own the whole integration"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1375.51,"endTime":1377.91,"body":"chain, the whole vertical"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1377.91,"endTime":1381.03,"body":"delivery model, they own the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1377.91,"endTime":1381.03,"body":"factories, they own the designs,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1381.24,"endTime":1383.31,"body":"the pushing out of consultants,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1381.24,"endTime":1383.31,"body":"what's required for the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1383.31,"endTime":1386.91,"body":"kit-of-parts and getting an"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1383.31,"endTime":1386.91,"body":"output as a result. And then"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1386.91,"endTime":1389.1,"body":"you've got the other schools of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1386.91,"endTime":1389.1,"body":"thought with large contractors"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1389.13,"endTime":1393.03,"body":"going, why am I telling people"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1389.13,"endTime":1393.03,"body":"how to innovate? Why don't we"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1393.03,"endTime":1396.27,"body":"let the innovation ride, and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1393.03,"endTime":1396.27,"body":"they're looking for ways to"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1396.3,"endTime":1399.99,"body":"bring all that information"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1396.3,"endTime":1399.99,"body":"together to land digitally, to"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1399.99,"endTime":1402.12,"body":"enable them to get the best"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1399.99,"endTime":1402.12,"body":"innovation out of these"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1402.12,"endTime":1404.28,"body":"companies that are thinking"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1402.12,"endTime":1404.28,"body":"about how to be smart all the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1404.28,"endTime":1408.03,"body":"time. Tyranny of distance is an"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1404.28,"endTime":1408.03,"body":"amazing one, really, it's the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1408.03,"endTime":1411.96,"body":"whole of continental Europe or"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1408.03,"endTime":1411.96,"body":"the whole of Europe itself, fits"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1411.96,"endTime":1416.31,"body":"within the landmass of Australia"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1411.96,"endTime":1416.31,"body":"and then we've got room to"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1416.49,"endTime":1421.62,"body":"double it, we can do it again."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1416.49,"endTime":1421.62,"body":"So you do distances along a big"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1421.62,"endTime":1426.21,"body":"deal, but 90% of the population"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1421.62,"endTime":1426.21,"body":"lives on the east coast. And"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1426.21,"endTime":1429.03,"body":"then we have Perth, so anything"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1426.21,"endTime":1429.03,"body":"can sort of South Australia all"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1429.03,"endTime":1432.9,"body":"the way up to sort of Brisbane."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1429.03,"endTime":1432.9,"body":"So tyranny of distance, yes, but"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1432.9,"endTime":1436.5,"body":"we're not traversing across the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1432.9,"endTime":1436.5,"body":"gan. And during those wonderful"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1436.5,"endTime":1439.14,"body":"you know, three days slow mo"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1436.5,"endTime":1439.14,"body":"videos where we just watch the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1439.14,"endTime":1441.78,"body":"train going on the track sort of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1439.14,"endTime":1441.78,"body":"stuff. We're not doing that."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1442.23,"endTime":1446.01,"body":"Melbourne, Brisbane, Sydney,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1442.23,"endTime":1446.01,"body":"regional Australia, there's some"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1446.01,"endTime":1450.93,"body":"unlock happening with trains and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1446.01,"endTime":1450.93,"body":"stuff. I'd say it's mainly the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1450.93,"endTime":1453.72,"body":"centres are looking after the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1450.93,"endTime":1453.72,"body":"centres at the moment, so, an"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1454.2,"endTime":1457.98,"body":"then yeah, DfMA has got a lo"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1454.2,"endTime":1457.98,"body":"g way to go though. supply ch"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1457.98,"endTime":1461.58,"body":"ins trying to push, clients ar"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1457.98,"endTime":1461.58,"body":"trying to push as in government"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1461.58,"endTime":1465.18,"body":"and other people. And then we"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1461.58,"endTime":1465.18,"body":"just haven't quite got the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1465.18,"endTime":1468.33,"body":"unlock with the contractors yet"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1465.18,"endTime":1468.33,"body":"because it's expensive. They're"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1468.33,"endTime":1472.02,"body":"under cost and time pressures"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1468.33,"endTime":1472.02,"body":"And they haven't got it righ"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1472.02,"endTime":1475.68,"body":"yet. So we've got really thos"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1472.02,"endTime":1475.68,"body":"two schools of thoughts, own"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1475.71,"endTime":1478.92,"body":"t or distributed model. Th"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1475.71,"endTime":1478.92,"body":"y haven't quite landed on t"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1478.92,"endTime":1481.23,"body":"e perfect one yet. Both of th"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1478.92,"endTime":1481.23,"body":"m are right at the moment, I"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1481.23,"endTime":1481.71,"body":"d sugges"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1482.4,"endTime":1484.17,"body":"I'm presuming"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1482.4,"endTime":1484.17,"body":"you have a role to play in both"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1484.17,"endTime":1487.02,"body":"of them whether it's a sort of"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1484.17,"endTime":1487.02,"body":"Yeah, sitting within tying up"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1487.02,"endTime":1490.02,"body":"that entire ecosystem or joining"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1487.02,"endTime":1490.02,"body":"up all the all the disaggregated"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1490.02,"endTime":1490.59,"body":"parties"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1490.99,"endTime":1493.66,"body":"Yeah, depends on"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1490.99,"endTime":1493.66,"body":"we've done a whole DfMA cycle"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1493.72,"endTime":1497.08,"body":"where we can add value and if we"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1493.72,"endTime":1497.08,"body":"can't add value, we don't get"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1497.08,"endTime":1500.26,"body":"involved in the conversation"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1497.08,"endTime":1500.26,"body":"because we're not just there to"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1500.26,"endTime":1502.45,"body":"suck money out of the market, we"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1500.26,"endTime":1502.45,"body":"want to be adding value with"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1502.45,"endTime":1505.36,"body":"whatever we do. The integrated"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1502.45,"endTime":1505.36,"body":"model, we tend not to be able to"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1505.36,"endTime":1508.81,"body":"help too much with the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1505.36,"endTime":1508.81,"body":"kit-of-parts design. So to use"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1508.81,"endTime":1511.69,"body":"Autodesk language of the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1508.81,"endTime":1511.69,"body":"Inventor and those sort of other"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1511.69,"endTime":1514.99,"body":"platforms, we're developing"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1511.69,"endTime":1514.99,"body":"those unit unit bits, although"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1514.99,"endTime":1517.12,"body":"we can land them on a platform"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1514.99,"endTime":1517.12,"body":"like Vault to bring it all"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1517.12,"endTime":1520.0,"body":"together spatially. And we find"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1517.12,"endTime":1520.0,"body":"that people are finding their"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1520.0,"endTime":1524.02,"body":"own way to house that, but then"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1520.0,"endTime":1524.02,"body":"taking that sort of thinking to"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1524.05,"endTime":1527.05,"body":"the consultant world and going"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1524.05,"endTime":1527.05,"body":"out to the wider market, that"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1527.05,"endTime":1529.63,"body":"enables us to bring in our BIM"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1527.05,"endTime":1529.63,"body":"services actually, our"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1529.63,"endTime":1532.33,"body":"professional services. So within"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1529.63,"endTime":1532.33,"body":"the language of talking around"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1532.33,"endTime":1536.2,"body":"that, yes, we can help there as"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1532.33,"endTime":1536.2,"body":"well. But then, the great"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1536.2,"endTime":1539.68,"body":"unlock, which I'd like to get"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1536.2,"endTime":1539.68,"body":"onto at some point as an IoT"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1539.68,"endTime":1542.74,"body":"construction site, because it's"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1539.68,"endTime":1542.74,"body":"not what people think it is"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1542.74,"endTime":1547.15,"body":"today, as my honest view, we"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1542.74,"endTime":1547.15,"body":"need to go simple, we need to go"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1547.15,"endTime":1551.29,"body":"smart. We need to go low tech,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1547.15,"endTime":1551.29,"body":"not all this high tech wazoo"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1551.29,"endTime":1553.93,"body":"stuff that's going to tell me"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1551.29,"endTime":1553.93,"body":"how many times I've eaten now, a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1553.93,"endTime":1557.59,"body":"Weetabix in the morning, we need"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1553.93,"endTime":1557.59,"body":"to be looking at basic senses."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1557.59,"endTime":1560.74,"body":"And you know, again, a bit like"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1557.59,"endTime":1560.74,"body":"bringing the rebar guy up to we"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1560.74,"endTime":1563.86,"body":"need to slow down to go faster"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1560.74,"endTime":1563.86,"body":"is one of those old sayings. So"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1564.55,"endTime":1567.55,"body":"IoT construction is a great"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1564.55,"endTime":1567.55,"body":"unlock for all of us to happen."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1568.06,"endTime":1571.6,"body":"And the DfMA side, again,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1568.06,"endTime":1571.6,"body":"kit-of-parts been designed by"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1571.6,"endTime":1575.2,"body":"one person or been designed by"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1571.6,"endTime":1575.2,"body":"many, we've got an area to play."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1575.74,"endTime":1579.25,"body":"It's that the vertical versus"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1575.74,"endTime":1579.25,"body":"distributed model. There's no"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1579.25,"endTime":1583.03,"body":"happy landing yet so certainly"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1579.25,"endTime":1583.03,"body":"at Bryden Wood and what you guys"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1583.03,"endTime":1585.79,"body":"have done in some of that work"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1583.03,"endTime":1585.79,"body":"over in Europe and other places,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1586.09,"endTime":1589.81,"body":"could help a lot over here to"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1586.09,"endTime":1589.81,"body":"unlock some of the thinking for"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1589.81,"endTime":1591.01,"body":"contractors who don't know what"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1589.81,"endTime":1591.01,"body":"to do."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1591.1,"endTime":1593.26,"body":"Can you expand"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1591.1,"endTime":1593.26,"body":"on the IoT site of the future?"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1593.26,"endTime":1594.79,"body":"Because that sounds dead"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1593.26,"endTime":1594.79,"body":"interesting. It's a sort of"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1594.79,"endTime":1597.22,"body":"thing we're, you know, we're not"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1594.79,"endTime":1597.22,"body":"there yet. But we're about to"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1597.22,"endTime":1599.41,"body":"bump into, I think fairly"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1597.22,"endTime":1599.41,"body":"quickly. So yeah, I'd love to"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1599.41,"endTime":1600.4,"body":"hear your thoughts on that,"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1599.41,"endTime":1600.4,"body":"actually."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1600.48,"endTime":1603.3,"body":"Yeah, look, I've."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1600.48,"endTime":1603.3,"body":"So my background is telco. So"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1603.3,"endTime":1606.48,"body":"I've kind of fallen into this"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1603.3,"endTime":1606.48,"body":"again, it's again, it's not a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1606.48,"endTime":1608.7,"body":"journey that I thought I'd ever"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1606.48,"endTime":1608.7,"body":"come across. But here I am"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1608.7,"endTime":1612.6,"body":"landing talking about medium"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1608.7,"endTime":1612.6,"body":"range frequencies and long range"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1612.84,"endTime":1618.48,"body":"sensor device. stuff. So bytes"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1612.84,"endTime":1618.48,"body":"of data, as opposed to gigabytes"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1618.48,"endTime":1623.34,"body":"of data being produced. So an IP"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1618.48,"endTime":1623.34,"body":"camera on a site to monitor and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1623.34,"endTime":1627.03,"body":"get all the AI of learning of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1623.34,"endTime":1627.03,"body":"camera feeds and vehicle"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1627.03,"endTime":1629.04,"body":"tracking and various other"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1627.03,"endTime":1629.04,"body":"things like that. It takes quite"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1629.04,"endTime":1631.62,"body":"a lot of digital infrastructure"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1629.04,"endTime":1631.62,"body":"to make work. You need to have"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1631.62,"endTime":1634.95,"body":"good bandwidth, but you need"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1631.62,"endTime":1634.95,"body":"these items, to do your sort of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1634.95,"endTime":1638.46,"body":"high level tracking of things"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1634.95,"endTime":1638.46,"body":"90% of what you need on a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1638.46,"endTime":1641.97,"body":"construction site, is the door"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1638.46,"endTime":1641.97,"body":"open or closed? You know, have I"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1641.97,"endTime":1646.35,"body":"got, where's the machine"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1641.97,"endTime":1646.35,"body":"located, is it vibrating? How"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1646.35,"endTime":1649.44,"body":"noisy is it? What's my packet"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1646.35,"endTime":1649.44,"body":"data coming out from? What's my"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1649.44,"endTime":1652.11,"body":"light reading, what's my"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1649.44,"endTime":1652.11,"body":"temperature reading, all of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1652.11,"endTime":1657.18,"body":"these can be done on really low"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1652.11,"endTime":1657.18,"body":"power devices, that there are"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1657.18,"endTime":1659.85,"body":"10s of 1000s of them in the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1657.18,"endTime":1659.85,"body":"market. What they need is"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1659.85,"endTime":1663.36,"body":"something like a LoRaWAN network"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1659.85,"endTime":1663.36,"body":"to connect to, you know, what"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1663.36,"endTime":1666.42,"body":"LoRaWAN is it's long range wide"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1663.36,"endTime":1666.42,"body":"area network, it's on a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1666.42,"endTime":1670.2,"body":"different frequency band to"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1666.42,"endTime":1670.2,"body":"WiFi. And so we're not trying to"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1670.2,"endTime":1674.4,"body":"compete with cell phones and all"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1670.2,"endTime":1674.4,"body":"your other devices that are"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1674.4,"endTime":1677.31,"body":"connected via WiFi on on any"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1674.4,"endTime":1677.31,"body":"sort of construction site,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1677.7,"endTime":1681.51,"body":"really long range. So you can be"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1677.7,"endTime":1681.51,"body":"quite remote construction sites."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1681.51,"endTime":1684.18,"body":"And that's a great unlock for"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1681.51,"endTime":1684.18,"body":"Australia, we have a lot of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1684.18,"endTime":1687.84,"body":"sites that are...it's nothing to"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1684.18,"endTime":1687.84,"body":"dry five or 10 hours to get to a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1688.02,"endTime":1691.05,"body":"construction site in Australia,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1688.02,"endTime":1691.05,"body":"or even longer, depending on"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1691.05,"endTime":1693.78,"body":"where you're going in the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1691.05,"endTime":1693.78,"body":"infrastructure that's available"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1693.78,"endTime":1696.9,"body":"out there is really, really"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1693.78,"endTime":1696.9,"body":"limited. So mining sites are"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1696.9,"endTime":1699.78,"body":"looking at the investment and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1696.9,"endTime":1699.78,"body":"this quite heavily because with"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1699.78,"endTime":1702.57,"body":"a single gateway, which you'd"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1699.78,"endTime":1702.57,"body":"stick in, you connect, you need"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1702.57,"endTime":1706.2,"body":"one cable to connect to or even,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1702.57,"endTime":1706.2,"body":"they even go over a cellular"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1706.2,"endTime":1708.81,"body":"network now because they're not"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1706.2,"endTime":1708.81,"body":"large packets of information"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1708.81,"endTime":1714.0,"body":"going in. With what that one"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1708.81,"endTime":1714.0,"body":"gateway connected to, you could"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1714.0,"endTime":1718.47,"body":"have five or 10 kilometers of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1714.0,"endTime":1718.47,"body":"distance, picking up your gate"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1718.47,"endTime":1720.99,"body":"sensors, your you know someone"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1718.47,"endTime":1720.99,"body":"walking in an area they're not"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1720.99,"endTime":1723.48,"body":"supposed to be Have I got"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1720.99,"endTime":1723.48,"body":"movement happening, you know,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1723.48,"endTime":1728.07,"body":"what's tracking the sensor, you"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1723.48,"endTime":1728.07,"body":"might have on a structure to see"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1728.07,"endTime":1730.71,"body":"if there's movement, or it has"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1728.07,"endTime":1730.71,"body":"moved over three to six month"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1730.71,"endTime":1733.86,"body":"period, really low power devices"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1730.71,"endTime":1733.86,"body":"that you don't need a lot of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1733.86,"endTime":1736.71,"body":"infrastructure to make them"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1733.86,"endTime":1736.71,"body":"connect back to the interweb."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1736.77,"endTime":1739.71,"body":"And then, you know be"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1736.77,"endTime":1739.71,"body":"communicated out with what's"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1739.71,"endTime":1743.88,"body":"happening on site. So this 1000s"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1739.71,"endTime":1743.88,"body":"of these devices that are"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1743.88,"endTime":1748.74,"body":"looking for a home. But we are"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1743.88,"endTime":1748.74,"body":"so busy a bit like BIM services"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1748.74,"endTime":1752.22,"body":"thinking about all the really"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1748.74,"endTime":1752.22,"body":"high tech fancy stuff, I think"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1752.22,"endTime":1754.38,"body":"we're missing the real"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1752.22,"endTime":1754.38,"body":"opportunity to put the really"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1754.38,"endTime":1758.37,"body":"low tech stuff on sites and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1754.38,"endTime":1758.37,"body":"start the sites telling us"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1758.37,"endTime":1761.1,"body":"what's happening. That"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1758.37,"endTime":1761.1,"body":"information that we can then"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1761.13,"endTime":1764.04,"body":"interrogate and see what's"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1761.13,"endTime":1764.04,"body":"really happening on sites will"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1764.04,"endTime":1768.09,"body":"allow us to do better designs,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1764.04,"endTime":1768.09,"body":"you know, better implementation"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1768.09,"endTime":1770.94,"body":"of modules and various other"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1768.09,"endTime":1770.94,"body":"things. And I think there's"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1770.94,"endTime":1773.4,"body":"gonna be a great unlock. You're"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1770.94,"endTime":1773.4,"body":"gonna hear a lot about that this"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1773.4,"endTime":1778.38,"body":"year. Europe's covered in"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1773.4,"endTime":1778.38,"body":"LoRaWAN as a technology. I think"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1778.38,"endTime":1782.07,"body":"there's something like 10,000"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1778.38,"endTime":1782.07,"body":"gateways across Europe. I think"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1782.07,"endTime":1786.18,"body":"there's something like 800 in"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1782.07,"endTime":1786.18,"body":"the US of A and there's, there's"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1786.24,"endTime":1790.23,"body":"there's over 1000 in Australia,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1786.24,"endTime":1790.23,"body":"so we're both beating the US and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1790.23,"endTime":1793.83,"body":"that's always a good thing."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1790.23,"endTime":1793.83,"body":"Because they've got a highly"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1795.27,"endTime":1797.16,"body":"what they've got a whole"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1795.27,"endTime":1797.16,"body":"cellular network across their"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1797.16,"endTime":1799.74,"body":"states. You can't get any of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1797.16,"endTime":1799.74,"body":"that stuff to talk easily."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1800.07,"endTime":1802.29,"body":"across those different states,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1800.07,"endTime":1802.29,"body":"all the different contracts, you"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1802.29,"endTime":1805.2,"body":"get assigned to talk from one"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1802.29,"endTime":1805.2,"body":"network to another. So if we can"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1805.2,"endTime":1808.38,"body":"remove from that high tech"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1805.2,"endTime":1808.38,"body":"network stuff, I think IoT"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1808.38,"endTime":1811.62,"body":"construction really open up, I"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1808.38,"endTime":1811.62,"body":"can't talk to the sensors at"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1811.62,"endTime":1814.41,"body":"length, although I used to"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1811.62,"endTime":1814.41,"body":"design those types of things"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1814.41,"endTime":1818.94,"body":"back in a very long time ago."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1814.41,"endTime":1818.94,"body":"But the technologies and they're"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1818.94,"endTime":1822.54,"body":"changing so rapidly, you know,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1818.94,"endTime":1822.54,"body":"what we're using today will be"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1822.54,"endTime":1826.59,"body":"much better in a year from now."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1822.54,"endTime":1826.59,"body":"So that these are the sorts of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1826.59,"endTime":1828.06,"body":"things that will unlock"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1826.59,"endTime":1828.06,"body":"construction. So..."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1828.0,"endTime":1830.19,"body":"But it's that"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1828.0,"endTime":1830.19,"body":"sort of timescale you're looking"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1830.19,"endTime":1833.61,"body":"at. I mean, this is it's all"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1830.19,"endTime":1833.61,"body":"technology that exists already."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1833.64,"endTime":1834.99,"body":"It's there"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1835.02,"endTime":1837.21,"body":"to do it that"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1835.02,"endTime":1837.21,"body":"hasn't, you know, no, I think..."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1837.21,"endTime":1840.36,"body":"...Yeah, yeah."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1837.21,"endTime":1840.36,"body":"Genuinely, people maybe don't"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1840.36,"endTime":1844.41,"body":"know they are getting worried by"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1840.36,"endTime":1844.41,"body":"5g. Is 5g made an impact in your"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1844.41,"endTime":1844.86,"body":"life yet?"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1845.82,"endTime":1846.45,"body":"Not at all? No."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1847.02,"endTime":1850.47,"body":"No. So yet, all we"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1847.02,"endTime":1850.47,"body":"hear from the telco companies is"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1850.47,"endTime":1852.78,"body":"5g is the way of the future,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1850.47,"endTime":1852.78,"body":"you'll have faster internet,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1852.78,"endTime":1856.41,"body":"faster mobiles, you know, faster"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1852.78,"endTime":1856.41,"body":"screening of football games on"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1856.41,"endTime":1859.86,"body":"your phone? Yeah, most of these"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1856.41,"endTime":1859.86,"body":"construction sites don't require"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1859.86,"endTime":1862.59,"body":"that level of technology on"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1859.86,"endTime":1862.59,"body":"them. So I just, if you can land"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1862.59,"endTime":1864.69,"body":"all those devices spatially and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1862.59,"endTime":1864.69,"body":"know where they are on a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1864.69,"endTime":1867.27,"body":"construction site, and look at"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1864.69,"endTime":1867.27,"body":"the data that's coming through"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1867.27,"endTime":1870.3,"body":"and interrogate that, then I"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1867.27,"endTime":1870.3,"body":"think a lot of this technology"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1870.3,"endTime":1874.56,"body":"is available now. And I think"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1870.3,"endTime":1874.56,"body":"others are, it's not my game"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1874.56,"endTime":1877.92,"body":"LoRaWAN, but we've we've seen it"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1874.56,"endTime":1877.92,"body":"as an opportunity to enable a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1877.95,"endTime":1881.52,"body":"bunch of different sensors on"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1877.95,"endTime":1881.52,"body":"sites to be unlocked now. And"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1881.85,"endTime":1884.43,"body":"there are networks out there of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1881.85,"endTime":1884.43,"body":"people that are doing it a lot"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1884.43,"endTime":1887.55,"body":"of is free to air public stuff."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1884.43,"endTime":1887.55,"body":"But there are private networks,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1887.55,"endTime":1890.58,"body":"they can be established. And I"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1887.55,"endTime":1890.58,"body":"think those private networks are"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1890.58,"endTime":1894.33,"body":"where we're gonna see some real"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1890.58,"endTime":1894.33,"body":"Genesis and IoT, on"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1894.33,"endTime":1897.81,"body":"construction, actually, WiFi is"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1894.33,"endTime":1897.81,"body":"full. IP addresses, you know, we"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1897.81,"endTime":1900.18,"body":"just can't get hold of them"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1897.81,"endTime":1900.18,"body":"anymore. And change the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1900.18,"endTime":1903.42,"body":"frequency bandwidth is noone."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1900.18,"endTime":1903.42,"body":"And suddenly, we've got millions"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1903.42,"endTime":1904.8,"body":"of addresses available to us."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1904.92,"endTime":1906.39,"body":"Yeah, that's"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1904.92,"endTime":1906.39,"body":"interesting. I talked on this"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1906.39,"endTime":1910.29,"body":"show about IoT in buildings and"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1906.39,"endTime":1910.29,"body":"operations in the future. We"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1910.29,"endTime":1912.96,"body":"haven't ever talked about IoT on"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1910.29,"endTime":1912.96,"body":"sites. But yeah, that sounds"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1912.96,"endTime":1916.74,"body":"like a really obvious thing that"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1912.96,"endTime":1916.74,"body":"we should be looking at. And"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1916.74,"endTime":1919.26,"body":"yeah, it sounds like it's on the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1916.74,"endTime":1919.26,"body":"precipice. Sounds like it could"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1919.26,"endTime":1921.36,"body":"be that could be done now, if"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1919.26,"endTime":1921.36,"body":"people started to lean into it."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1921.36,"endTime":1922.53,"body":"So yeah, that's really"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":1921.36,"endTime":1922.53,"body":"interesting."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1922.63,"endTime":1925.39,"body":"Yeah. And you got"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1922.63,"endTime":1925.39,"body":"to think about, again, this"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1925.39,"endTime":1927.73,"body":"digitalization of the built"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1925.39,"endTime":1927.73,"body":"environment, right, we get all"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1927.73,"endTime":1930.1,"body":"excited about, I mean, we've"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1927.73,"endTime":1930.1,"body":"been doing some work with the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1930.1,"endTime":1932.98,"body":"Melbourne Cricket Ground for a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1930.1,"endTime":1932.98,"body":"while now where we, we've"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1932.98,"endTime":1936.55,"body":"scanned their site, and we've"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1932.98,"endTime":1936.55,"body":"been originally having them work"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1936.55,"endTime":1939.61,"body":"out some, some flows and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1936.55,"endTime":1939.61,"body":"throughputs of people through"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1939.94,"endTime":1942.67,"body":"the stadium itself, you know, a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1939.94,"endTime":1942.67,"body":"game that has 50,000 people, a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1942.67,"endTime":1945.46,"body":"game that has 100,000 people,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1942.67,"endTime":1945.46,"body":"where do you stick your points"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1945.46,"endTime":1947.68,"body":"of sales and the way they make"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1945.46,"endTime":1947.68,"body":"money? And how do you distribute"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1947.68,"endTime":1950.47,"body":"your crowds, and what's your"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1947.68,"endTime":1950.47,"body":"emergency response times and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1950.47,"endTime":1953.56,"body":"that. And I mean that the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1950.47,"endTime":1953.56,"body":"stadium has been going for 161"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1953.59,"endTime":1956.74,"body":"years, they kind of get it. But"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1953.59,"endTime":1956.74,"body":"if we can map that all"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1956.74,"endTime":1960.82,"body":"spatially, we've got now to the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1956.74,"endTime":1960.82,"body":"point where we're doing point of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1960.82,"endTime":1966.76,"body":"sale flows through a spatial"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1960.82,"endTime":1966.76,"body":"model to say, at this point,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1966.76,"endTime":1969.01,"body":"this amount of money is flowing"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1966.76,"endTime":1969.01,"body":"through your tills, and these"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1969.01,"endTime":1972.07,"body":"bars and mapping them with"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1969.01,"endTime":1972.07,"body":"cameras and stuff. It's really"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1972.07,"endTime":1976.78,"body":"sexy. I mean, it's really sexy."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1972.07,"endTime":1976.78,"body":"And I'm thinking, I can come"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1976.78,"endTime":1979.75,"body":"back and watch Arsenal get"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1976.78,"endTime":1979.75,"body":"slammed for another year. But I"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1979.75,"endTime":1982.21,"body":"can do it all digitally and map"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1979.75,"endTime":1982.21,"body":"it spatially, that would be"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1982.9,"endTime":1985.78,"body":"quite exciting for me to come"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1982.9,"endTime":1985.78,"body":"back to England and see my team"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1985.78,"endTime":1988.81,"body":"getting beaten. If you can help"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1985.78,"endTime":1988.81,"body":"out in that regard, I'd really"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1988.81,"endTime":1991.81,"body":"appreciate that for next season,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1988.81,"endTime":1991.81,"body":"I think this one's gone. But"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1993.22,"endTime":1996.22,"body":"that's really, really exciting."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1993.22,"endTime":1996.22,"body":"But you know, those permanent"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1996.22,"endTime":1999.61,"body":"installations are up, and we can"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1996.22,"endTime":1999.61,"body":"do a lot with them. But how many"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1999.61,"endTime":2002.61,"body":"construction sites are going up"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":1999.61,"endTime":2002.61,"body":"every year, and temporary in"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2002.61,"endTime":2006.24,"body":"nature, we put them up these all"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2002.61,"endTime":2006.24,"body":"that data being delivered, and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2006.24,"endTime":2008.85,"body":"then we shut them down and move"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2006.24,"endTime":2008.85,"body":"on to the next one. Right. And"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2008.85,"endTime":2012.18,"body":"so this is temporary nature of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2008.85,"endTime":2012.18,"body":"IoT, that really needs to be"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2012.18,"endTime":2015.0,"body":"considered because the amount of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2012.18,"endTime":2015.0,"body":"information that you can take"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2015.0,"endTime":2017.85,"body":"and how these things are being"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2015.0,"endTime":2017.85,"body":"put together. A lot of that"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2017.85,"endTime":2020.85,"body":"disappears by the time the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2017.85,"endTime":2020.85,"body":"concrete has set. And by the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2020.85,"endTime":2023.31,"body":"time we got the finishes on the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2020.85,"endTime":2023.31,"body":"walls, you know, we worried"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2023.31,"endTime":2026.58,"body":"about temperature in rooms, how"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2023.31,"endTime":2026.58,"body":"about how much movement there"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2026.58,"endTime":2029.13,"body":"was in a column as it was being"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2026.58,"endTime":2029.13,"body":"pulled in, and the bending? And"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2029.34,"endTime":2032.01,"body":"there's all sorts of stuff that"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2029.34,"endTime":2032.01,"body":"we've been getting, you know,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2032.07,"endTime":2036.42,"body":"how now, how did that concrete"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2032.07,"endTime":2036.42,"body":"cure? These are the sorts of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2036.42,"endTime":2038.61,"body":"things that we can gather with"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2036.42,"endTime":2038.61,"body":"sort of IoT construction that we"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2038.61,"endTime":2041.73,"body":"might not, the investment might"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2038.61,"endTime":2041.73,"body":"not be there, because I guess"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2041.73,"endTime":2045.54,"body":"fund managers and stuff are not"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2041.73,"endTime":2045.54,"body":"as excited about that, as trying"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2045.54,"endTime":2047.73,"body":"to get a better return on the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2045.54,"endTime":2047.73,"body":"investment when they've gone."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2047.97,"endTime":2051.84,"body":"I've got the latest wawa thing"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2047.97,"endTime":2051.84,"body":"in my building isn't amazing,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2051.93,"endTime":2054.33,"body":"you know, so yeah, it's"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2051.93,"endTime":2054.33,"body":"interesting where the money's"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2054.33,"endTime":2056.79,"body":"driving stuff, but the data sets"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2054.33,"endTime":2056.79,"body":"available from construction, I"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2056.79,"endTime":2059.49,"body":"think are immense if we look at"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2056.79,"endTime":2059.49,"body":"a different way of gathering"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2059.49,"endTime":2062.4,"body":"them, that's going to unlock it."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2059.49,"endTime":2062.4,"body":"It really, really is"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2061.87,"endTime":2064.24,"body":"Well, we talk a"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2061.87,"endTime":2064.24,"body":"lot about value on this podcast"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2064.24,"endTime":2066.49,"body":"and yeah, you're right. It's the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2064.24,"endTime":2066.49,"body":"value of that information is"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2066.49,"endTime":2069.7,"body":"vast, it might not seem that"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2066.49,"endTime":2069.7,"body":"attractive. And yeah, point of"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2069.7,"endTime":2072.61,"body":"sale and sexy things in stadia"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2069.7,"endTime":2072.61,"body":"sounds quite groovy whereas"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2073.42,"endTime":2075.88,"body":"monitoring what the cranes doing"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2073.42,"endTime":2075.88,"body":"sounds a bit less interesting."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2075.88,"endTime":2079.15,"body":"But yeah, the value of that and"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2075.88,"endTime":2079.15,"body":"understanding. One of the things"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2079.15,"endTime":2082.69,"body":"I was I was a judge on a tech"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2079.15,"endTime":2082.69,"body":"awards a few years ago and one"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2082.69,"endTime":2085.6,"body":"of the things that won actually"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2082.69,"endTime":2085.6,"body":"was a company that were putting,"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2086.14,"endTime":2090.19,"body":"just monitoring everything about"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2086.14,"endTime":2090.19,"body":"when they laid tarmac. So what"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2090.19,"endTime":2092.62,"body":"the temperature was like and"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2090.19,"endTime":2092.62,"body":"what the mix was and what the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2092.62,"endTime":2095.44,"body":"temperature was and all the rest"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2092.62,"endTime":2095.44,"body":"of it. Everyone's goin' yeah,"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2095.44,"endTime":2097.39,"body":"that sounds quite interesting."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2095.44,"endTime":2097.39,"body":"No, no, but in the future whe"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2097.39,"endTime":2100.36,"body":"you know a crack appears we"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2097.39,"endTime":2100.36,"body":"can tell you why that crack appe"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2100.36,"endTime":2103.24,"body":"red, where else it might appe"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2100.36,"endTime":2103.24,"body":"r and the kind of predicti"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2103.45,"endTime":2105.97,"body":"e maintenance impacts of being"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2103.45,"endTime":2105.97,"body":"able to do that it's the same"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2105.97,"endTime":2108.28,"body":"thing, understanding exactly"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2105.97,"endTime":2108.28,"body":"ow the concrete cured and what"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2108.28,"endTime":2110.26,"body":"ent on and what stresses"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2108.28,"endTime":2110.26,"body":"ight be left in the building"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2110.26,"endTime":2113.14,"body":"nd you get the long term impa"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2110.26,"endTime":2113.14,"body":"t or value of that data shou"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2113.14,"endTime":2116.44,"body":"d be vast. But yet, no one's col"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2113.14,"endTime":2116.44,"body":"ecting it because it doesn't p"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2116.44,"endTime":2119.29,"body":"y off instantly. It's sort of a"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2116.44,"endTime":2119.29,"body":"longer term thing, or then fuel"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2119.29,"endTime":2123.19,"body":"ng the kind of next generatio"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2119.29,"endTime":2123.19,"body":"of concrete mixes and the kind"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2123.22,"endTime":2126.1,"body":"f AI technology, that's starti"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2123.22,"endTime":2126.1,"body":"g to plan schedules and plan p"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2126.1,"endTime":2128.92,"body":"ogram on site and logistics."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2126.1,"endTime":2128.92,"body":"Yeah, the long term benefit is"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2128.92,"endTime":2131.83,"body":"massive, isn't it? But yeah,"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2128.92,"endTime":2131.83,"body":"t doesn't pay off in the short"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2131.83,"endTime":2133.81,"body":"erm, you got to keep doing it c"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2131.83,"endTime":2133.81,"body":"nsistently."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2135.32,"endTime":2136.91,"body":"That's right. I"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2135.32,"endTime":2136.91,"body":"mean, these things are really,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2136.91,"endTime":2138.8,"body":"really cheap. They must be a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2136.91,"endTime":2138.8,"body":"couple of quid some of these"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2138.83,"endTime":2141.41,"body":"sensors, you can just throw in"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2138.83,"endTime":2141.41,"body":"the concrete mix, and it's"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2141.68,"endTime":2144.53,"body":"broadcasting for the next five"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2141.68,"endTime":2144.53,"body":"years, and then it dies. You"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2144.53,"endTime":2147.77,"body":"kind of don't care, right. So"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2144.53,"endTime":2147.77,"body":"But yeah, I look, it reminds me"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2147.77,"endTime":2150.59,"body":"of a conversation I had with a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2147.77,"endTime":2150.59,"body":"roading engineer. And I used to"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2150.59,"endTime":2153.23,"body":"work in an engineering firm and,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2150.59,"endTime":2153.23,"body":"and I said, What is it about"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2153.23,"endTime":2157.07,"body":"roading? You know, and he goes,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2153.23,"endTime":2157.07,"body":"there's nothing like doing the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2157.07,"endTime":2160.79,"body":"walk test. And I said, What's"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2157.07,"endTime":2160.79,"body":"that? And he goes, you walk"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2160.79,"endTime":2164.96,"body":"behind a weighted truck,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2160.79,"endTime":2164.96,"body":"essentially. And you're looking"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2164.96,"endTime":2168.08,"body":"for deviations in the truck and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2164.96,"endTime":2168.08,"body":"recording the deviations as"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2168.08,"endTime":2170.69,"body":"you're going on the road?"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2168.08,"endTime":2170.69,"body":"There's nothing brings you more"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2170.69,"endTime":2175.22,"body":"joy when the deviation is within"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2170.69,"endTime":2175.22,"body":"tolerance. And I'm just like 'oh"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2175.25,"endTime":2179.42,"body":"man,' you know, yeah, I could"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2175.25,"endTime":2179.42,"body":"see with these different this."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2179.48,"endTime":2181.94,"body":"There's different strokes for"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2179.48,"endTime":2181.94,"body":"all folks. Right. So yeah, But"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2181.94,"endTime":2185.45,"body":"to your point, I, I couldn't"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2181.94,"endTime":2185.45,"body":"think of anything more boring."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2185.45,"endTime":2188.06,"body":"But yes, there's absolute real"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2185.45,"endTime":2188.06,"body":"power and value and, and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2188.06,"endTime":2190.58,"body":"gathering that data set. And"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2188.06,"endTime":2190.58,"body":"yeah, we've just got to find a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2190.58,"endTime":2192.92,"body":"way to unlock it. You know,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2190.58,"endTime":2192.92,"body":"you're talking about craneage,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2193.1,"endTime":2195.47,"body":"go to any construction site and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2193.1,"endTime":2195.47,"body":"say, I'll give you half an hour"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2195.47,"endTime":2199.1,"body":"more crane time on a site to"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2195.47,"endTime":2199.1,"body":"lift stuff on the same work day."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2199.16,"endTime":2202.76,"body":"And you watch your programs"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2199.16,"endTime":2202.76,"body":"change immensely. Yeah. So crane"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2202.76,"endTime":2204.5,"body":"hook time, there's people"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2202.76,"endTime":2204.5,"body":"looking at that sort of stuff."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2204.62,"endTime":2207.14,"body":"What if you were mapping the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2204.62,"endTime":2207.14,"body":"crane hook spatially? Did you"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2207.14,"endTime":2209.72,"body":"have the crane in the right"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2207.14,"endTime":2209.72,"body":"location for the number of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2209.72,"endTime":2211.67,"body":"movements that you're doing, '"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2209.72,"endTime":2211.67,"body":"well, we always stick it here"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2211.67,"endTime":2214.19,"body":"Charlie, you know, because"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2211.67,"endTime":2214.19,"body":"that's where it goes on the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2214.19,"endTime":2217.94,"body":"side.' Well, then what if it"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2214.19,"endTime":2217.94,"body":"moves to the middle, which is a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2217.94,"endTime":2221.27,"body":"real annoyance for a bunch of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2217.94,"endTime":2221.27,"body":"other activity goes on. But you"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2221.27,"endTime":2224.72,"body":"start to prove that you get more"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2221.27,"endTime":2224.72,"body":"use out of your crane for the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2224.72,"endTime":2227.66,"body":"rest of the time. And this is"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2224.72,"endTime":2227.66,"body":"where data from construction"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2227.66,"endTime":2231.17,"body":"sites will come to really help"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2227.66,"endTime":2231.17,"body":"us in the future. And I just"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2231.17,"endTime":2233.39,"body":"think we're looking about maybe"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2231.17,"endTime":2233.39,"body":"in a slightly different way,"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2233.45,"endTime":2234.8,"body":"Where we're"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2233.45,"endTime":2234.8,"body":"delivering projects using"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2234.8,"endTime":2237.74,"body":"Platforms, actually, what we're"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2234.8,"endTime":2237.74,"body":"seeing is that the quicker the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2237.74,"endTime":2240.26,"body":"assembly time of the individual"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2237.74,"endTime":2240.26,"body":"components. So when we use sort"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2240.26,"endTime":2242.3,"body":"of color coded things, you put"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2240.26,"endTime":2242.3,"body":"it, you put something together"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2242.3,"endTime":2246.35,"body":"in minutes, actually hook time"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2242.3,"endTime":2246.35,"body":"is massive, it's a lot more than"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2246.35,"endTime":2250.19,"body":"any other activity. Logistics is"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2246.35,"endTime":2250.19,"body":"massive, and the just not having"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2250.19,"endTime":2252.86,"body":"things to hand. So as you start"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2250.19,"endTime":2252.86,"body":"to get rid of some of the normal"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2252.86,"endTime":2255.32,"body":"kind of that sort of"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2252.86,"endTime":2255.32,"body":"inefficiencies hidden by the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2255.32,"endTime":2257.54,"body":"general low productivity on"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2255.32,"endTime":2257.54,"body":"site. Again, if we're going to"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2257.6,"endTime":2261.38,"body":"move productivity, all of those"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2257.6,"endTime":2261.38,"body":"things, you know, hook time on a"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2261.5,"endTime":2264.95,"body":"thing of slinging it, lifting it"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2261.5,"endTime":2264.95,"body":"up, getting it back is like 20"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2264.95,"endTime":2267.86,"body":"minutes you go and yeah, that's"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2264.95,"endTime":2267.86,"body":"five or six times the cycle of"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2267.86,"endTime":2269.84,"body":"the thing it's lifting,"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2267.86,"endTime":2269.84,"body":"actually. So suddenly, that"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2269.84,"endTime":2272.12,"body":"becomes important and getting"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2269.84,"endTime":2272.12,"body":"logistics in the right place."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2272.12,"endTime":2274.73,"body":"Again, all of these things are"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2272.12,"endTime":2274.73,"body":"going to are going to kill the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2274.73,"endTime":2277.1,"body":"productivity if we don't get a"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2274.73,"endTime":2277.1,"body":"handle on them. So you're right."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2277.1,"endTime":2279.95,"body":"This is a phenomenal way of"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2277.1,"endTime":2279.95,"body":"unlocking all of that, which is"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2279.95,"endTime":2280.82,"body":"Yeah, brilliant, actually."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2280.0,"endTime":2283.03,"body":"Yeah, yeah. So I"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2280.0,"endTime":2283.03,"body":"mean, that's kind of where we're"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2283.6,"endTime":2287.98,"body":"playing and what what we see."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2283.6,"endTime":2287.98,"body":"And because we've got our"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2287.98,"endTime":2291.04,"body":"platform, Vault, allows us to"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2287.98,"endTime":2291.04,"body":"map those things spatially, we"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2291.04,"endTime":2294.37,"body":"can actually track that data"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2291.04,"endTime":2294.37,"body":"where it's located, not just"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2294.37,"endTime":2297.49,"body":"reams of data sets coming out."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2294.37,"endTime":2297.49,"body":"Because just like looking at a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2297.49,"endTime":2300.49,"body":"spreadsheet, it means nothing."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2297.49,"endTime":2300.49,"body":"It's a bit like the lines of a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2300.49,"endTime":2304.09,"body":"matrix yeah. I'd much rather"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2300.49,"endTime":2304.09,"body":"watch the movie, then watch the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2304.09,"endTime":2307.12,"body":"screen saver. You know, and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2304.09,"endTime":2307.12,"body":"everyone had the screensaver for"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2307.12,"endTime":2310.84,"body":"a while, because they thought it"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2307.12,"endTime":2310.84,"body":"was amazing. So yeah, so it's"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2310.84,"endTime":2313.15,"body":"about visualizing that data set."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2310.84,"endTime":2313.15,"body":"And I think that's really,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2313.15,"endTime":2316.21,"body":"really another great unlock, has"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2313.15,"endTime":2316.21,"body":"been able to actually visualize"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2316.21,"endTime":2318.46,"body":"what's going on. And we see it"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2316.21,"endTime":2318.46,"body":"in modeling and things that we"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2318.46,"endTime":2321.4,"body":"do now in design, and we've been"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2318.46,"endTime":2321.4,"body":"doing it for a long time. But"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2321.4,"endTime":2323.02,"body":"then if you start to visualize"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2321.4,"endTime":2323.02,"body":"what's happening on a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2323.02,"endTime":2325.39,"body":"construction site and starting"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2323.02,"endTime":2325.39,"body":"to get real data sets coming"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2325.39,"endTime":2327.79,"body":"through, then these are the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2325.39,"endTime":2327.79,"body":"these are the things that are"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2327.79,"endTime":2330.43,"body":"going to change the way that we"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2327.79,"endTime":2330.43,"body":"operate. So I'll give you an"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2330.43,"endTime":2333.19,"body":"example of a site, an IoT"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2330.43,"endTime":2333.19,"body":"construction site. And we think"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2333.19,"endTime":2337.12,"body":"this is a great leap forward for"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2333.19,"endTime":2337.12,"body":"the industry in Australia and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2337.12,"endTime":2340.69,"body":"many contractors here are"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2337.12,"endTime":2340.69,"body":"looking at us as a point of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2340.69,"endTime":2343.03,"body":"difference. But I'll give an"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2340.69,"endTime":2343.03,"body":"example of an IT construction"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2343.03,"endTime":2345.7,"body":"site where we were doing a proof"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2343.03,"endTime":2345.7,"body":"of concept, we have three or"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2345.7,"endTime":2348.76,"body":"four sensors, noise sensors set"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2345.7,"endTime":2348.76,"body":"up on a site. And they've all"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2348.76,"endTime":2350.98,"body":"got conditions, consent"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2348.76,"endTime":2350.98,"body":"conditions, the hours, they can"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2350.98,"endTime":2353.83,"body":"operate noise levels, and all"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2350.98,"endTime":2353.83,"body":"that sort of environmental"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2353.83,"endTime":2356.71,"body":"stuff. And dust and we have"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2353.83,"endTime":2356.71,"body":"joyous stuff over here called"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2356.71,"endTime":2358.9,"body":"asbestos. There's lots of that"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2356.71,"endTime":2358.9,"body":"around. And we're not doing many"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2358.9,"endTime":2362.23,"body":"of those sensors. But you know,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2358.9,"endTime":2362.23,"body":"dust created and things like"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2362.23,"endTime":2364.9,"body":"that. But there's a real problem"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2362.23,"endTime":2364.9,"body":"for people on on job sites here."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2365.62,"endTime":2370.96,"body":"And so three noise sensors"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2365.62,"endTime":2370.96,"body":"located spatially create an"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2370.96,"endTime":2374.77,"body":"effect a cone of where they're"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2370.96,"endTime":2374.77,"body":"triangulation or where the noise"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2374.77,"endTime":2378.76,"body":"might be coming from. Right. And"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2374.77,"endTime":2378.76,"body":"we had a situation where lovely"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2378.76,"endTime":2381.49,"body":"dear council turned up at the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2378.76,"endTime":2381.49,"body":"construction site  at nine"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2381.49,"endTime":2383.23,"body":"o'clock in the morning and said,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2381.49,"endTime":2383.23,"body":"'oh, we've received a noise"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2383.23,"endTime":2386.05,"body":"complaint that you guys have"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2383.23,"endTime":2386.05,"body":"been operating outside of your"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2386.05,"endTime":2390.64,"body":"consented hours,' and the site"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2386.05,"endTime":2390.64,"body":"manager said 'Oh, really,' and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2390.64,"endTime":2393.58,"body":"walked up to the computer screen"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2390.64,"endTime":2393.58,"body":"and said, 'What time did the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2393.58,"endTime":2396.16,"body":"noise complaint come in?' And he"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2393.58,"endTime":2396.16,"body":"looked at the screen because it"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2396.16,"endTime":2400.78,"body":"added IoT sensor data there and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2396.16,"endTime":2400.78,"body":"said 'Right, it's six twenty am,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2400.78,"endTime":2404.8,"body":"but our hours don't start till"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2400.78,"endTime":2404.8,"body":"7am.' he says. This may not be"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2404.8,"endTime":2407.83,"body":"the truth of the story, but I'm"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2404.8,"endTime":2407.83,"body":"embellishing for a good story,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2407.83,"endTime":2410.89,"body":"but, but the context is the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2407.83,"endTime":2410.89,"body":"same. He said, 'you know, we"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2408.82,"endTime":2531.97,"body":"But going back"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2408.82,"endTime":2531.97,"body":"to that earlier example, just"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2410.89,"endTime":2413.86,"body":"don't open till seven in the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2410.89,"endTime":2413.86,"body":"morning. In fact, we recorded"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2413.86,"endTime":2416.53,"body":"that noise going off at twenty"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2413.86,"endTime":2416.53,"body":"past six in the morning, these"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2416.53,"endTime":2420.01,"body":"three sensors here went off on"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2416.53,"endTime":2420.01,"body":"this corner of the site. You can"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2420.01,"endTime":2422.08,"body":"see from our camera vision that"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2420.01,"endTime":2422.08,"body":"the gates to the site were"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2422.08,"endTime":2424.45,"body":"closed that that time, because"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2422.08,"endTime":2424.45,"body":"we're going to record all of"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2424.45,"endTime":2427.66,"body":"that. We know that the council"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2424.45,"endTime":2427.66,"body":"buses drive up and down there at"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2427.66,"endTime":2430.93,"body":"that sort of time. We think the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2427.66,"endTime":2430.93,"body":"machinery you heard was actually"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2430.96,"endTime":2435.49,"body":"a bus driving past at a very"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2430.96,"endTime":2435.49,"body":"still morning, not the machinery"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2435.52,"endTime":2438.49,"body":"on a construction site working.'"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2435.52,"endTime":2438.49,"body":"The council officers said,"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2439.0,"endTime":2442.51,"body":"'Gosh, that's good. Could you"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2439.0,"endTime":2442.51,"body":"give me a report on that?' And"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2442.57,"endTime":2444.82,"body":"in the project manager says,"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2442.57,"endTime":2444.82,"body":"'Would you like me to email it"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2444.82,"endTime":2447.94,"body":"to you? Or would you like a hard"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2444.82,"endTime":2447.94,"body":"copy now?' And that site problem"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2447.94,"endTime":2453.01,"body":"has gone away. Now. It's not an"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2447.94,"endTime":2453.01,"body":"ad for IoT construction. That's"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2453.01,"endTime":2457.06,"body":"an ad for a construction manager"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2453.01,"endTime":2457.06,"body":"not having to deal with a noise"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2457.06,"endTime":2460.75,"body":"problem that day on the site,"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2457.06,"endTime":2460.75,"body":"which has, he's got enough going"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2460.75,"endTime":2463.45,"body":"on with supply chain and"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2460.75,"endTime":2463.45,"body":"movements and activities. The"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2463.45,"endTime":2466.27,"body":"last thing he needs is to find"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2463.45,"endTime":2466.27,"body":"out who was driving the machine."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2466.27,"endTime":2468.85,"body":"And was anyone on site, you know"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2466.27,"endTime":2468.85,"body":"what I mean? So it's a human"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2468.85,"endTime":2472.06,"body":"factor, again, technology"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2468.85,"endTime":2472.06,"body":"enabling humanity to return a"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2472.06,"endTime":2475.03,"body":"construction site, he now"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2472.06,"endTime":2475.03,"body":"doesn't have to stress about"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2475.03,"endTime":2480.88,"body":"that. That's IoT construction,"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2475.03,"endTime":2480.88,"body":"not 1.37% of efficiency gain of"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2480.88,"endTime":2484.81,"body":"a crane operation and time."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2480.88,"endTime":2484.81,"body":"Yeah, it's that kind of context"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2484.81,"endTime":2487.57,"body":"of conversation different. We"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2484.81,"endTime":2487.57,"body":"also found out somebody coming"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2487.57,"endTime":2490.0,"body":"and stealing things in the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2487.57,"endTime":2490.0,"body":"middle of the night. They'd"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2490.0,"endTime":2493.15,"body":"forgotten that cameras that are"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2490.0,"endTime":2493.15,"body":"motion sensitive record who's"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2493.15,"endTime":2495.97,"body":"coming in and out. And the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2493.15,"endTime":2495.97,"body":"police were given their footage"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2495.97,"endTime":2498.4,"body":"and lo and behold, they got"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2495.97,"endTime":2498.4,"body":"nabbed. So, this is where IoT"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2498.4,"endTime":2500.95,"body":"construction really started to"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2498.4,"endTime":2500.95,"body":"help simple environmental stuff."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2501.01,"endTime":2505.45,"body":"Crane clock time. If it's if"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2501.01,"endTime":2505.45,"body":"it's measuring, saying I'm free"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2505.75,"endTime":2508.33,"body":"or half an hour, these guys"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2505.75,"endTime":2508.33,"body":"on't need me. How many more"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2508.33,"endTime":2511.39,"body":"ifts can you do in 30 minutes,"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2508.33,"endTime":2511.39,"body":"f you could do one more? Again,"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2511.39,"endTime":2513.82,"body":"ust what you're talking to the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2511.39,"endTime":2513.82,"body":"aimie, you can start to add your"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2513.82,"endTime":2516.7,"body":"productivity. And it's almost"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2513.82,"endTime":2516.7,"body":"like an unquantifiable number"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2516.7,"endTime":2518.71,"body":"once you start doing it. It's"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2516.7,"endTime":2518.71,"body":"like how did we ever do thi"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2518.71,"endTime":2522.13,"body":"before? So that's where we thin"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2518.71,"endTime":2522.13,"body":"the great unlock is in IoT, a"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2523.12,"endTime":2526.48,"body":"d some of those sort of more s"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2523.12,"endTime":2526.48,"body":"mple devices, as 'I'm not busy,"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2526.51,"endTime":2529.36,"body":"sending out a signal, 'Oh, gos"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2526.51,"endTime":2529.36,"body":", I wonder how we can make you b"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2529.36,"endTime":2529.75,"body":"sy.'"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2531.97,"endTime":2534.37,"body":"the reputational thing of the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2531.97,"endTime":2534.37,"body":"Council and going yeah, those"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2534.37,"endTime":2537.46,"body":"guys are slick, they run a tight"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2534.37,"endTime":2537.46,"body":"site, that's a very good, you"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2537.46,"endTime":2539.95,"body":"know, operation. And you know,"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2537.46,"endTime":2539.95,"body":"that becoming a sort of"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2539.95,"endTime":2542.56,"body":"differentiator that you're known"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2539.95,"endTime":2542.56,"body":"as being the people that run you"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2542.56,"endTime":2546.34,"body":"know, very tight, very lean,"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2542.56,"endTime":2546.34,"body":"very safe, productive site that"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2546.34,"endTime":2549.1,"body":"won't cause issues, considerate"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2546.34,"endTime":2549.1,"body":"contractor type things. So yeah,"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2549.1,"endTime":2551.71,"body":"the reputational bit which which"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2549.1,"endTime":2551.71,"body":"never gets factored in starts to"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2551.71,"endTime":2554.89,"body":"become, might be a narrow"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2551.71,"endTime":2554.89,"body":"window, but that becomes a"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2554.89,"endTime":2557.11,"body":"differentiator. Everyone goes"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2554.89,"endTime":2557.11,"body":"flipping hell, we had better get"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2557.11,"endTime":2559.15,"body":"that technology because they're"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2557.11,"endTime":2559.15,"body":"running away with it. So that"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2559.15,"endTime":2560.47,"body":"starts to become an interesting"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2559.15,"endTime":2560.47,"body":"sort of,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2560.51,"endTime":2563.18,"body":"yeah, it is an"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2560.51,"endTime":2563.18,"body":"interesting conversation for"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2563.18,"endTime":2567.53,"body":"sure. So of course, you know, do"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2563.18,"endTime":2567.53,"body":"it once is not enough. You got"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2567.53,"endTime":2569.69,"body":"to do it every time. And I mean,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2567.53,"endTime":2569.69,"body":"that's our challenge. And we we"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2569.69,"endTime":2573.59,"body":"see and growth in our market in"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2569.69,"endTime":2573.59,"body":"in organizations like Skanska,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2573.59,"endTime":2576.47,"body":"and others from Sweden, have"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2573.59,"endTime":2576.47,"body":"heard about how we're doing and"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2576.47,"endTime":2579.29,"body":"go, 'oh, that's interesting.'"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2576.47,"endTime":2579.29,"body":"And we saw them at the end of"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2579.29,"endTime":2583.28,"body":"February in Auckland, actually,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2579.29,"endTime":2583.28,"body":"last year. Apparently something"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2583.28,"endTime":2585.89,"body":"stopped world travel a little"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2583.28,"endTime":2585.89,"body":"bit. So we haven't really taken"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2585.92,"endTime":2588.32,"body":"that on much further. But yeah,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2585.92,"endTime":2588.32,"body":"these these things are"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2588.32,"endTime":2590.72,"body":"definitely coming and people are"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2588.32,"endTime":2590.72,"body":"thinking about it, for sure."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2591.02,"endTime":2592.67,"body":"Perfect. We"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2591.02,"endTime":2592.67,"body":"always ask our guests this."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2592.67,"endTime":2595.52,"body":"Where do you think, if the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2592.67,"endTime":2595.52,"body":"brakes are off, and everyone led"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2595.52,"endTime":2597.38,"body":"into this, what what do you"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2595.52,"endTime":2597.38,"body":"think the industry looks like in"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2597.38,"endTime":2600.38,"body":"5/10 years? And how achievable"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2597.38,"endTime":2600.38,"body":"is it? I mean, I'm really"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2600.38,"endTime":2603.23,"body":"interested that you've kind of"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2600.38,"endTime":2603.23,"body":"reiterated things that we've"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2603.23,"endTime":2605.66,"body":"heard a number of times on this"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2603.23,"endTime":2605.66,"body":"podcast, that it's not really"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2605.66,"endTime":2608.12,"body":"the technology, it's the people,"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2605.66,"endTime":2608.12,"body":"it's the mindset, all of this"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2608.12,"endTime":2611.93,"body":"stuff is at our fingertips if we"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2608.12,"endTime":2611.93,"body":"choose to adopt it. So yeah,"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2611.93,"endTime":2613.85,"body":"maybe what's the sort of"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2611.93,"endTime":2613.85,"body":"optimistic view of where we"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2613.85,"endTime":2615.5,"body":"could be heading in the next"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2613.85,"endTime":2615.5,"body":"next decade or so."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2615.31,"endTime":2617.44,"body":"Ah, look, again,"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2615.31,"endTime":2617.44,"body":"just to go back to an earlier"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2617.44,"endTime":2620.23,"body":"point, I don't think the the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2617.44,"endTime":2620.23,"body":"uptake of technology is the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2620.23,"endTime":2622.75,"body":"issue. So I'm not going to talk"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2620.23,"endTime":2622.75,"body":"about the technology itself."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2623.08,"endTime":2625.39,"body":"There's technology everywhere."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2623.08,"endTime":2625.39,"body":"Everyone's going for it all the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2625.39,"endTime":2629.92,"body":"time. I think what might happen"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2625.39,"endTime":2629.92,"body":"in the next five years, is"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2629.92,"endTime":2633.01,"body":"people start to realize the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2629.92,"endTime":2633.01,"body":"technology platform is not going"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2632.19,"endTime":2813.66,"body":"That's a great"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2632.19,"endTime":2813.66,"body":"answer. No, that is a fantastic"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2633.01,"endTime":2636.34,"body":"to save me. So why am I doing"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2633.01,"endTime":2636.34,"body":"it? They'd be a lot if we got a"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2636.34,"endTime":2638.92,"body":"lot more to the why context"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2636.34,"endTime":2638.92,"body":"rather than the what and how and"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2638.92,"endTime":2641.95,"body":"efficiency and numbers"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2638.92,"endTime":2641.95,"body":"triggering thing, I think we get"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2641.95,"endTime":2644.92,"body":"a lot of growth in the in the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2641.95,"endTime":2644.92,"body":"marketplace. I see then in the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2644.92,"endTime":2649.36,"body":"next five years, I hope to see a"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2644.92,"endTime":2649.36,"body":"lot more of industry actually"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2649.36,"endTime":2654.37,"body":"engaging to just jump in boots"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2649.36,"endTime":2654.37,"body":"and all and try it a little bi"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2654.37,"endTime":2656.98,"body":". If we can remove som"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2654.37,"endTime":2656.98,"body":"of the technology hurdles of"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2656.98,"endTime":2660.07,"body":"etwork connectivity and engagem"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2656.98,"endTime":2660.07,"body":"nt and all those sorts of pl"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2660.07,"endTime":2664.3,"body":"ns and things. So just let peop"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2660.07,"endTime":2664.3,"body":"e ever crack on some sites acros"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2664.3,"endTime":2668.44,"body":"broad industry. I'd love to s"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2664.3,"endTime":2668.44,"body":"e more of the sub trades and"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2668.44,"endTime":2672.76,"body":"supply chain, asking to use tec"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2668.44,"endTime":2672.76,"body":"nology on construction sites and"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2672.76,"endTime":2676.09,"body":"not be battered down. That w"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2672.76,"endTime":2676.09,"body":"uld be a great five year plan."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2676.09,"endTime":2678.28,"body":"nd in 10 years, why can't we"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2676.09,"endTime":2678.28,"body":"ave five day work weeks t"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2678.28,"endTime":2681.07,"body":"at we're starting to build as m"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2678.28,"endTime":2681.07,"body":"ch as we could in six and a"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2681.07,"endTime":2685.33,"body":"alf days now. Because until w"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2681.07,"endTime":2685.33,"body":"can use technology to release t"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2685.33,"endTime":2688.48,"body":"e humans to be more normal and"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2685.33,"endTime":2688.48,"body":"enable the businesses to make"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2688.48,"endTime":2692.8,"body":"profit as a result. Guess what?"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2688.48,"endTime":2692.8,"body":"no profit equals no uptake, then"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2692.8,"endTime":2695.95,"body":"I don't think we're really"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2692.8,"endTime":2695.95,"body":"solving anything. If you if you"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2695.95,"endTime":2700.6,"body":"think the answer is we can do 10"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2695.95,"endTime":2700.6,"body":"more jobs. Then that might not"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2700.6,"endTime":2703.48,"body":"be the right answer. I think if"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2700.6,"endTime":2703.48,"body":"you can do the answer, we can do"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2703.48,"endTime":2706.9,"body":"team more jobs without people"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2703.48,"endTime":2706.9,"body":"going home stressed. Look at all"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2706.9,"endTime":2709.6,"body":"the other McKinsey reports about"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2706.9,"endTime":2709.6,"body":"suicide rates and all the other"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2709.6,"endTime":2713.5,"body":"things that happen in our"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2709.6,"endTime":2713.5,"body":"industry as a result, then then"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2713.5,"endTime":2717.58,"body":"I would like to see us having an"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2713.5,"endTime":2717.58,"body":"impact to return more time back"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2717.58,"endTime":2719.65,"body":"to the worker. Now, if they"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2717.58,"endTime":2719.65,"body":"choose to do other stuff on the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2719.65,"endTime":2722.17,"body":"weekend, that's cool. But I"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2719.65,"endTime":2722.17,"body":"don't necessarily want to be on"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2722.17,"endTime":2726.22,"body":"our watch. So humanizing the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2722.17,"endTime":2726.22,"body":"workforces, and humanizing"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2726.22,"endTime":2729.94,"body":"workshops through technology has"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2726.22,"endTime":2729.94,"body":"got to be the cratch cry. And"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2729.94,"endTime":2732.79,"body":"how do we do that we need to do"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2729.94,"endTime":2732.79,"body":"some sneaky engagement, few more"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2732.79,"endTime":2736.27,"body":"QR codes, please. Because once"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2732.79,"endTime":2736.27,"body":"they realize they're using it,"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2736.42,"endTime":2740.38,"body":"then they'll they won't be so"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2736.42,"endTime":2740.38,"body":"reticent against that. There's a"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2740.38,"endTime":2743.77,"body":"lot of 35 year old dinosaurs on"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2740.38,"endTime":2743.77,"body":"construction sites, who are"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2743.77,"endTime":2748.06,"body":"scared to use technology. So"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2743.77,"endTime":2748.06,"body":"it's not an age barrier, I think"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2748.06,"endTime":2751.72,"body":"it's the ability to make it look"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2748.06,"endTime":2751.72,"body":"make it adjustment easier to"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2751.72,"endTime":2754.27,"body":"access for all i think that's,"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2751.72,"endTime":2754.27,"body":"that's kind of where we've got"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2754.27,"endTime":2758.11,"body":"to go. And that's not going to"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2754.27,"endTime":2758.11,"body":"come unless, you know, the likes"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2758.11,"endTime":2762.04,"body":"of Bryden Wood, and othe"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2758.11,"endTime":2762.04,"body":"consultants understand that. An"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2762.04,"endTime":2764.71,"body":"what we're trying to impart o"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2762.04,"endTime":2764.71,"body":"the industry is being so smart"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2764.74,"endTime":2767.47,"body":"And I think that's going to be"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2764.74,"endTime":2767.47,"body":"great unlock too. We've got"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2767.47,"endTime":2771.76,"body":"o get more consultants back"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2767.47,"endTime":2771.76,"body":"n construction sites, to see h"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2771.76,"endTime":2774.43,"body":"w they detailing just doesn"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2771.76,"endTime":2774.43,"body":"t quite fit. When you're sitti"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2774.43,"endTime":2777.16,"body":"g in a boom lift nine meters of"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2774.43,"endTime":2777.16,"body":"the ground, and you drop you"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2777.16,"endTime":2780.76,"body":"spanner you know what I mean, s"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2777.16,"endTime":2780.76,"body":"that kit-of-parts and that t"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2780.76,"endTime":2784.39,"body":"inking it's, it all starts"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2780.76,"endTime":2784.39,"body":"to tie together. And that would"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2784.39,"endTime":2787.06,"body":"be my great hope for 10 year"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2784.39,"endTime":2787.06,"body":"from now. And please, can you"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2787.45,"endTime":2789.91,"body":"use an asBuilt connected constr"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2787.45,"endTime":2789.91,"body":"ction site all over the world,"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2789.91,"endTime":2793.99,"body":"'d be very happy with that"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2789.91,"endTime":2793.99,"body":"sales pitch. But if we can unloc"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2793.99,"endTime":2796.72,"body":"that for a whole lot of"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2793.99,"endTime":2796.72,"body":"other companies as well, then"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2796.72,"endTime":2800.68,"body":"a bit like buying a cup of coff"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2796.72,"endTime":2800.68,"body":"e. If you only bought it from my"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2800.71,"endTime":2803.65,"body":"cafe, I'd tap out on money. Bu"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2800.71,"endTime":2803.65,"body":"once people start wanting"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2803.65,"endTime":2806.59,"body":"offee everywhere, thing, cafe"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2803.65,"endTime":2806.59,"body":"will open up everywhere. And I"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2806.59,"endTime":2809.86,"body":"think that's the great unlo"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2806.59,"endTime":2809.86,"body":"k for industry. So not sure i"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2809.86,"endTime":2811.3,"body":"that answered the questio"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2809.86,"endTime":2811.3,"body":"."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2813.66,"endTime":2818.34,"body":"answer. But yeah, your point"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2813.66,"endTime":2818.34,"body":"about Yeah, re humanizing"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2818.46,"endTime":2820.35,"body":"it...better working weeks..."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2818.46,"endTime":2820.35,"body":"it's how you start to address"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2820.35,"endTime":2822.96,"body":"actually some of the bigger"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2820.35,"endTime":2822.96,"body":"trends around not enough people"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2822.96,"endTime":2825.3,"body":"in construction, the ageing"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2822.96,"endTime":2825.3,"body":"demographic and things like you"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2825.3,"endTime":2827.58,"body":"need to make it a much more"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2825.3,"endTime":2827.58,"body":"attractive industry or we can't,"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2828.27,"endTime":2830.61,"body":"can't build enough. And yeah,"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2828.27,"endTime":2830.61,"body":"like your point about"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2830.88,"endTime":2833.73,"body":"consultants understanding the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2830.88,"endTime":2833.73,"body":"impact of their design decisions"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2833.73,"endTime":2835.89,"body":"more in the in the fields, I"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2833.73,"endTime":2835.89,"body":"think you're right, that's the"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2835.89,"endTime":2838.59,"body":"kind of thing we've talked about"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2835.89,"endTime":2838.59,"body":"on this podcast before sort of"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2838.59,"endTime":2841.02,"body":"disconnect, maybe between some"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2838.59,"endTime":2841.02,"body":"of the design decisions, and"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2841.02,"endTime":2843.72,"body":"actually how they play out, as"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2841.02,"endTime":2843.72,"body":"you say, when you're halfway up,"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2843.72,"endTime":2847.35,"body":"but I'm trying to get something"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2843.72,"endTime":2847.35,"body":"in the wind are really, really i"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2847.35,"endTime":2848.64,"body":"portant."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2849.16,"endTime":2851.05,"body":"I'd love for"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2849.16,"endTime":2851.05,"body":"engineers and architects to go"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2851.05,"endTime":2853.3,"body":"back to construction sites"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2851.05,"endTime":2853.3,"body":"because they were just genuinely"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2853.3,"endTime":2855.55,"body":"interested to spend their time"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2853.3,"endTime":2855.55,"body":"there on the weekend not getting"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2855.55,"endTime":2858.49,"body":"paid for it right. Just we kind"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2855.55,"endTime":2858.49,"body":"of need to return that somehow."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2858.52,"endTime":2861.43,"body":"I don't know the answer to that."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2858.52,"endTime":2861.43,"body":"But that's kind of a thing when"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2861.43,"endTime":2863.86,"body":"industry gets back to the"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2861.43,"endTime":2863.86,"body":"beginning, we're more humanistic"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2863.86,"endTime":2867.13,"body":"across the whole thing. We'll"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2863.86,"endTime":2867.13,"body":"see some great outcomes as a"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2867.13,"endTime":2867.52,"body":"result."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2867.67,"endTime":2869.71,"body":"Brilliant."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2867.67,"endTime":2869.71,"body":"That's fantastic. Craig, thanks"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2869.71,"endTime":2871.39,"body":"ever so much for your time. It's"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2869.71,"endTime":2871.39,"body":"been really, really interesting"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2871.39,"endTime":2871.93,"body":"to talk to you."},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2872.41,"endTime":2874.81,"body":"Okay, you're most"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2872.41,"endTime":2874.81,"body":"welcome, Jaimie, and thank you"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2874.81,"endTime":2878.2,"body":"again for the opportunity to"},{"speaker":"Craig Lamont","startTime":2874.81,"endTime":2878.2,"body":"give my views on some stuff."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2878.739,"endTime":2880.449,"body":"So thanks for"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2878.739,"endTime":2880.449,"body":"listening to that episode of"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2880.449,"endTime":2882.729,"body":"Built Environment Matters. I"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2880.449,"endTime":2882.729,"body":"hope you found the conversation"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2882.729,"endTime":2885.699,"body":"with Craig as interesting and"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2882.729,"endTime":2885.699,"body":"fascinating as I did and join us"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2885.699,"endTime":2887.859,"body":"next month for more Built"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2885.699,"endTime":2887.859,"body":"Environment Matters."},{"speaker":"Credits","startTime":2889.16,"endTime":2891.71,"body":"Thank you for listening"},{"speaker":"Credits","startTime":2889.16,"endTime":2891.71,"body":"to Built Environment Matters"},{"speaker":"Credits","startTime":2891.92,"endTime":2895.52,"body":"podcast brought to you by Bryden"},{"speaker":"Credits","startTime":2891.92,"endTime":2895.52,"body":"Wood. Listen and subscribe"},{"speaker":"Credits","startTime":2895.52,"endTime":2898.04,"body":"wherever you get your favorite"},{"speaker":"Credits","startTime":2895.52,"endTime":2898.04,"body":"podcast. And you can follow"},{"speaker":"Credits","startTime":2898.04,"endTime":2899.87,"body":"Bryden Wood on LinkedIn and"},{"speaker":"Credits","startTime":2898.04,"endTime":2899.87,"body":"Twitter."}]}