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So yeah, that's"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2770.99,"endTime":2774.83,"body":"fantastic. So yeah, that was I"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2774.83,"endTime":2776.78,"body":"mean, we could talk for a lot"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2774.83,"endTime":2776.78,"body":"longer, but mindful of"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2776.78,"endTime":2779.27,"body":"everyone's time, so I guess"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2776.78,"endTime":2779.27,"body":"we'll have to park it there. But"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2779.27,"endTime":2781.97,"body":"yeah, that was fantastic."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2779.27,"endTime":2781.97,"body":"Really, really interesting. And"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2782.0,"endTime":2783.83,"body":"yeah, quite a different take"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2782.0,"endTime":2783.83,"body":"than we've had on the podcast"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2783.83,"endTime":2786.26,"body":"before but really, really"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2783.83,"endTime":2786.26,"body":"valuable. So thanks ever so much"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2786.26,"endTime":2786.95,"body":"for joining us."},{"speaker":"Randy Deutsch","startTime":2787.46,"endTime":2789.47,"body":"Absolutely. It's"},{"speaker":"Randy Deutsch","startTime":2787.46,"endTime":2789.47,"body":"fantastic to talk with you,"},{"speaker":"Randy Deutsch","startTime":2789.68,"endTime":2791.18,"body":"Jaimie. Appreciate it."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2791.23,"endTime":2792.94,"body":"So thanks,"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2791.23,"endTime":2792.94,"body":"everyone for listening. Please"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2792.94,"endTime":2796.12,"body":"do join us next month for more"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":2792.94,"endTime":2796.12,"body":"Built Environment Matters."},{"speaker":"Credits","startTime":2797.77,"endTime":2800.65,"body":"Thank you for listening"},{"speaker":"Credits","startTime":2797.77,"endTime":2800.65,"body":"to Built Environment Matters. A"},{"speaker":"Credits","startTime":2800.65,"endTime":2804.13,"body":"podcast brought to you by Bryden"},{"speaker":"Credits","startTime":2800.65,"endTime":2804.13,"body":"Wood. Listen and subscribe"},{"speaker":"Credits","startTime":2804.13,"endTime":2806.65,"body":"wherever you get your favorite"},{"speaker":"Credits","startTime":2804.13,"endTime":2806.65,"body":"podcasts. 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