152: Kevin Goes Fishing & Nole Changes His Mind On Carnivore.

In this week's episode, we hear from Kevin and his experience as he took his wife out this last weekend, fly fishing with Jon and Emily Engle as part of their non-profit Hold The Line. We also delve into why Nole no longer feels the same way about the carnivore diet and what he's doing differently now. Additionally, we talked about our first couple of days with the 22 for 22 challenge raising money for Mighty Oaks. If you're not already in the challenge with us, it's not too late! Join us today.

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Transcript

Speaker 2: 0:13

Welcome back to the Fire you Carry podcast. In this episode, kevin tells us about his time out at Hold the Line with John Engel, who was on the podcast recently. We talk about why I have changed my mind on Carnivore, so definitely tune in for that. I know you will all be fascinated, and in addition to that, we have some big news regarding the Health Summit on the 28th. So if you're a firefighter in Southern California, make sure that you listen to that. It's the second thing we talk about and it's something that we would love to see you guys out at. You are now invited. Even if you don't work for LA County, even if you're not part of the LA County Firefighters Association, you can come, and so we give you details on how to do that, and we would love to see you down there. That is coming up rapidly, and we have another event this week as well that we'd like to join you for, so make sure you listen to this episode to get the details on that. Thank you for listening. Enjoy.

Speaker 3: 1:34

Welcome back to the Fire you Carry podcast. We are your hosts. I'm Kevin Welsch.

Speaker 2: 1:39

I am Noel Lilly.

Speaker 3: 1:41

We're in day two of the 22 for 22 challenge where we're fundraising for the Mighty Oaks and they're incredible. But more specifically, jeremy Stollnäcker, who we just had on the show I just saw on Strava because we're friends he did a lunchtime marathon, his second. He did one yesterday, did it in like five hours. It's pretty amazing. But yeah, I'm blown away because I feel like I'm decently fit.

Speaker 3: 2:11

Running is not my forte. I wish it was, but it's not. And, like you know, we just got back from this trip. It was a five hour drive home or in traffic, all the things. You know you had Carl's Jr for lunch on the way home. You know, the last thing I really wanted to do is like strap on shoes and then go for a run. But I'm like no, I saw on the thing, jeremy is putting a marathon. I've committed a 2.2 miles a day, that's not a big deal. But I was like no, no, no. So then I strapped on my shoes, put on some knuckle puck, yes, and I got after it and I'm glad I did. You know what I mean. And we're not, I'm not. We got to remember this challenge. We're bringing it up for veteran suicide. There's widely considered when 22 veterans a day take their lives, and that's under what we think the actual number is it's oh yeah, yeah, that's probably low, yeah.

Speaker 2: 3:07

So it's a huge, huge problem and any attention we can bring to it, any money we can raise for my diokes who's doing the most, in our opinion, to combat that is is going to be hugely positive. I had a different situation but a similar situation. So yesterday was the first day of the challenge and I was coming home from work and my parents were coming up to visit with my aunt and uncle and it was happened to be my mom's birthday and my uncle Steve's birthday, uncle Steve. So I stopped on the way, I grabbed a cake mix because I had told my mom that we were going to make a cake because it's their birthday. So you got to have cake, yeah.

Speaker 2: 3:45

So I get home and I got to throw the cake in immediately. So I'm, I'm mixing up the cake, heather's dialing in some little gifts that she's got and like we're just getting stuff ready for food and so I've got no time. And then they show up and we have a great day, we hang out and just have some great conversations and, you know, just some good laughs with family. And then they're leaving and it's like eight o'clock at night. So we come back in the house and I'm like Heather, I have to go run.

Speaker 1: 4:10

I was like what I'm like today's the first day of the challenge.

Speaker 2: 4:13

She's like all right, how long is it going to take? Where are you going? Because it's dark at my house now and so I'm like I'm just going to the street. So I throw on my vest because I'm wearing a plate carrier for mine that weighs 22 pounds and throw my vest in the headlamp and throw the headphones in and go up and run on the pitch black street and I have to kind of run back and forth. I've got a little course that I can run, but it's it's like you know, there's a turnaround, I don't have a good loop and I put on Holy name, that's what I was listening to Nice, yeah, so that was good, Did that? And then I'm following it up with some lunges. So I did those two, knocked those out, but running in the middle of the night in the dark, not fun. But I did get flashbacks to our last lunch challenge because I had to do that a few times.

Speaker 1: 5:00

The lunges where?

Speaker 2: 5:01

you've just got the busy day packed with family stuff and the only time you can get it is like nine o'clock at night. But you have to do it so right off the bat. I almost didn't do it because I was like man, it's family time. I can sit down with my wife now.

Speaker 1: 5:13

And.

Speaker 2: 5:13

I was like I just got to knock this out real quick.

Speaker 3: 5:15

So yeah, and I had no excuse because when Jeremy was on the show he was talking about, he's traveling the entire time and he has no mapped out routes, he's just going to figure it out. He's got public and speech engagements like across the country, right, and he has no idea how he's going to figure it out. So, like I was like oh no, I didn't plan this out.

Speaker 3: 5:36

Well, because we went to the whole line fishing this weekend up in Kernville but day one was yesterday, when we're supposed to be out on the water and I'm sleeping in a tent. I don't know about you, but I'm like 44. I'm not the best tent camper anymore. After next surgery. I'm like this is horrible, right, but I still. I mean, I sit there, learn for five and it was still pitch black, but it was cool because there's not a whole lot of light pollution up there.

Speaker 2: 5:59

Oh yeah.

Speaker 3: 5:59

I had the headlamp too and I start out at the camp and I kind of got like lost in the camp so I had to go pretty slow because it's like dirt and rocks and dark. But I mean to see you know God's beauty under the stars, you know, and like Jupiter shining right on you and just then just trucking it out in a totally different weird crazy area following the current river was awesome and I'm glad I got it in Right.

Speaker 2: 6:23

Yeah, you got it in. It's a great reminder for me that on days when I'm not feeling super motivated to do maybe not necessarily a workout, but something else that I know I have to do If you're really committed to something and you know that it has to be done, like it's entirely possible to get up at 5am and run in the dark at some unknown campsite. So if you can do that or if you can run in the dark, you know, at 9pm, because you're in the middle of this challenge and you've committed to it, can you I don't know pay your taxes on time or make that phone call that you've been being to make? Of course we can. It's really all about what's your mentality and what's your level of commitment to what you have to get done.

Speaker 3: 7:05

And I've never been through a selection. I mean, or you know, ranger or anything, but I mean the things that I have is two academies that I've gone through and it's shocking the amount of work that you can get in. And I do think that, like we forget, you get a little soft dude and it's like always has to be these perfect circumstances to get it in. There was nothing perfect about academy. You woke up at ODARK 30, you did PT in the dark. You're stretching in the dark, you know what I mean and then you go bust your butt for an entire full day and then you do it again and again and again for four months, right, and so, like you're totally capable, I think we're all. We have all. We have so much more in the tank than we ever know.

Speaker 2: 7:44

Yeah, absolutely. But yeah, day three tomorrow, let's get after it. Getting after it got mine in today. So we're on the right path and I'll say this.

Speaker 3: 7:55

It's not too late, Even though we're doing a 22 day challenge, like if you didn't know about this and you're hearing this today, on Monday, start today, just jump in. We're also including. We're including our thing with my zone and so we're getting meps and so you can join. We have a team the fire you carry podcast. You can get in that. Strava is a very cool app If you decide to run or other people are just using their my zone to get a workout. But I think you can do it and I think I was telling my dad who out 75 years old and he usually does some sort of fitness every day. I'm like jump in. He's like I'm a couple days late and I'm like nobody cares, you'll still do it.

Speaker 1: 8:33

It's all matter, so still do it.

Speaker 3: 8:35

Get in there with us and do your version of it, and but I think it's the effort every day which counts, and we can do it together.

Speaker 2: 8:42

Yep, I agree with that.

Speaker 2: 8:43

And then let people know that you're doing it and do your best to raise some money for my deox. That's the main goal. So, yeah, join us. For sure it doesn't matter if you're starting late, you can start whenever, but actually not whenever today, right now, when you're hearing this. So let's go. All right, let's talk about the health summit real quick. You guys heard Captain Evan Halquist talk about that on his episode.

Speaker 2: 9:04

This is being put on by the LA County Firefighters Association. It is going to be at the LA County Fire Museum on the 28th in Bellflower, which times? I start 9am, I think. So Starts at 9am. It is now open to any firefighters anywhere.

Speaker 2: 9:23

So if you're down here in Southern California, your firefighter working for a different organization than LA County, you can now register and come down and hang out with us, hear these great speakers. So the way that's going to work is we will have a link in the show notes that you can go and register. So save your spot, because they do have a cap on this thing, and then when you show up the day of, the fee at the door will be $50 for outsiders. But we would love to see you guys come, I will be down there. Unfortunately, we are going to talk a little bit about this, but Kevin just found out he got recalled so he's not going to be there, but I'll be there. Dave Tebow will be there speaking. There'll be a bunch of other rad dudes there, so come down, hang out, say hi to us.

Speaker 3: 10:07

Yeah, travis Howell speaking that guy's amazing. Yeah, he's a good dude. And our own, evan Halquist and Dave Tebow, who are two of the more impressive human beings in the fire service, in my opinion.

Speaker 2: 10:18

Yeah, brian Andrews, I mean it's just a good group of dudes.

Speaker 3: 10:21

Yeah, come down. The museum is awesome too. If you've never been to the fire museum, it's a great. I mean, those guys a bunch of retirees and a couple active guys run that thing and it is pretty amazing. So we'd love to see you, but come on down.

Speaker 2: 10:35

Real quick. On that same note, let's talk about traditions in the fire service. I got recalled for the 28th and I had planned on being at the health summit and then I also have a Fife and Drum event with my kids. It's a pretty big deal that same day. So I was bummed out that I got recalled. But I'm up, it's my turn.

Speaker 2: 10:54

And later on, the same day that I got recalled, I got a text, and this text is from a firefighter. His name is Keith Thompson. What's up, keith? He tells me that he wanted to go available specifically because he wants to go work in a certain battalion that a lot of guys kind of want to get to when they're early in their career, maybe later in their career, and he wanted a chance to go work over there and kind of, you know, meet some of the guys, get a feel for it, kind of kind of throw his hat in the ring right To kind of say hey, I'd like to come out here and basically introduce himself to the guys and kind of almost like he didn't tell me this, but I know this is what a lot of guys do but almost kind of like prove yourself to the guys that are over there and say hey, could I get a chance to come work with you guys, that type of thing.

Speaker 2: 11:40

But before he did that and took a spot over there out of his own battalion, because he works in my battalion, he sent me a text and he said hey, man, this is what I was thinking about doing. I noticed, though, that you were recalled do you need that day off? And so I told him. I said hey, man, I love the fact that you're checking in and trying to take care of your own guys right here in your battalion first. And I just told him honestly. I said I have these two things that I'm supposed to be at. And I said but just the fact that you checked in was awesome, and you know, whatever you do is cool with me, because at this point in my book, you're rad just for checking, because it's not a thing that happens anymore.

Speaker 2: 12:18

No, and got a text from him later on that said hey man, I got your day covered enjoy the day with your family, so I will be there and that's all thanks to Keith Thompson.

Speaker 2: 12:28

So thank you, keith. I don't even know you, we've never met, at least I don't think we have. But that's the type of tradition where you work on taking care of the guys that are kind of your guys, right, they're in your battalion or they're in your station before you take care of guys that are not and get somebody a day off somewhere else. So mad respect, really appreciate it. What a good dude. So I will be at the health summit, so come hang out with me, yep.

Speaker 3: 12:54

And that's the way of life. Sadly, I was recalled too. We had the Kenobi pumpkin party that day and this. I was really excited about it, but unfortunately I have not gotten a text, so I'm working as a paramedic that day at squad 49. Let's go.

Speaker 2: 13:13

Laying it on the line.

Speaker 3: 13:15

Yeah, but I hope you guys can make it Again. It's this Saturday at the museum in Belfast and if you need anything, I think we've put a link in the show notes before.

Speaker 2: 13:26

Yeah, okay, and we'll put it in there again.

Speaker 3: 13:29

So John Engel I don't know what episode he was on, but an incredibly rad dude.

Speaker 2: 13:35

I think you guys connected first right, we were trying to figure this out. We had dinner the other day because we were out at the BMX track and they came out and we had dinner with them. My parents were out there and we were talking about it. I think my mom asked she's like well, how did you guys meet? And we were like, yeah, we don't know. Actually we couldn't figure it out, but I believe we connected through Instagram and then, when the storm hit, he was one of the guys that hit me up and said hey, man, what do you need? Can I come up and help? And so after that day you know we were friends.

Speaker 3: 14:05

So I think it was Instagram, but yeah, Before that I didn't even get us a banner and some stickers, cause he.

Speaker 2: 14:13

I think that was around the same time. I don't remember. I'm terrible with remembering the sequence of events, but either way, he's been a friend for a little while now.

Speaker 3: 14:20

Well, well, john and his wife, emily run hold the line and it's basically a nonprofit that takes people out fly fishing. That's their passion, that's his expertise. I think it's more than a hobby and you know he's been talking about this and he wanted to get us, as a cadre for the fire up program, to all go up there, which is awesome. But it's like an act of Congress, cause all five or six of us are on different shifts. We live all over the place and it's been hard. But when we had them on the podcast it hit me like a ton of bricks because he said his wife is out there with them and they're fishing together and they totally allow wives to come.

Speaker 3: 14:55

And I was like wait a minute, we do all this stuff for, like, the fire department and the fire up program and all this stuff for our guys. But I realized very quickly that I say my faith comes first, my wife comes second, my kids come third. But if I'm honest, the last couple of years I've been definitely more me, me, me and haven't really put on the calendar things for my wife and I, and we used to do a lot of those. So I was like I gotta switch that up, get my priorities back in line, and this is a great excuse to go with my wife to this thing. Now does she care about fly fishing? No, but it was just an excuse and I think that's the greatest thing and the excuse and something that we would have probably normally not done, and it was awesome. It was absolutely awesome.

Speaker 3: 15:44

I feel like I've been in every part of California ever because I've traveled up and down the coast, surf in, I've done all kinds of trips in the mountains. I've done a lot of things. I feel like I've been in every part of California possible, but I don't think I've been on the current and it was in Kernville. It's at this really cool campsite and it was beautiful. It was absolutely beautiful. And I've done all kinds of fishing, but I've never done fly fishing. And John and his wife were just so gracious. They hook up with this Kernville fly shop, the current and these are professional fly fishermen. That's what they do for a living. They host people and guide them into fly fishing and that's part of their cadre, so to speak. They come down and it's literally like one on one and they just donate their time and it's mind blowing to me.

Speaker 3: 16:38

These are not firefighters, they're just amazingly wonderful people that donate their time to teach absolute green horns like tying, how to fly, showing how to do all this stuff, getting your waders and boots on, and they give you all the equipment and right in the morning you're standing on this unbelievable beautiful river with rocks in the middle and they're showing you where the fish could be and within a few minutes I caught my first fish and it was like a rainbow trout and it was only because John was standing there telling me exactly what to do, how to do it, and it was so cool and I get it. There's like a meditative thing, though. Fly fishing is pretty active. You throw it up river and then it floats down and you're watching the float the whole time. You're watching it fly to see if it bobs down, and that's when you zing up a fish, but as soon as it goes I'm maybe like a 20 yard stretch you pull it out and throw it up again.

Speaker 3: 17:36

And you watch this thing float down. And you watch this thing float down. Now John talks about there's actual studies that showed 20 minutes of looking at water has these profound mental health benefits. So now we're out there for way I mean not 20 minutes, we're out there for six, seven hours and you're watching this thing float down a river and you couldn't help but just be in a cool state of mind. I'm always into stats, you're into stats. This one guy had a garment on and he showed I don't, have you seen those graphs? I mean, you have a, you're a garling guy.

Speaker 3: 18:12

And it shows like when you're stressed or when you're not stressed. We talked about this on the show. He had shown like the busyness of his day at work he's a fireman right and then the busyness at home and he was like all stressful. And then he showed us at the end of the day after he was fly fishing and it was just like this flat line totally low, oh dude.

Speaker 3: 18:32

And it was like he's like this actually is like statistical, it like, look, you know what I mean. That's cool and it was. It's really amazing. So there was definitely this peaceful thing. And then, obviously, there's the nature element that you're standing out in nature, there was deer walking by and you're just out under the stars and it's just an amazing. But more than anything, I'm blown away by John and Emily Engel. They were just incredible gracious hosts. They cook for you while you're up there. They just made a very welcoming, open, fun environment and then they just send all their time and expertise. They're not getting anything out of it. They get these amazing people around them to do the same, and we all had a phenomenal experience. I would tell anybody in the planet to go, and at the end of it, they give you your whole rod and reel set up and I'm like I can't wait. They give me an extra one so I can go with my daughter, allie, who's fishing.

Speaker 3: 19:27

Yeah, it's one of those things you could see, like everything you could geek out and go bananas with fly fishing stuff. But I'm like John, just give me like the bare bones things that I'll need to like get out there and not you know. And so you know, we got the bare bones stuff, dude, and I can't wait to go fishing again.

Speaker 2: 19:44

Dude, that's so cool. Was Scott McDonald out there? Did he make it out there?

Speaker 3: 19:47

Yes from Hume. Yeah, Shout out to Scott. It's very cool, because somebody asked him how he met and I was like, oh, I was on Kevin and Noel's podcast and you're like, you're the guys. And then it was very cool. So we talked about Don West and your dad and I was telling him like Russell, daniels and Edward and all the guys that just came recently, and obviously Brandon did our video and the Hume connection is real and he was just such a cool dude.

Speaker 2: 20:14

That's cool. Yeah, that was fun Because when we had John on our podcast, I sent it to Scott because I knew he's super passionate about fly fishing and he's a professional guide. He does that not for his entire livelihood, but he does it on the side. And Scott didn't get back to me after he listened to the podcast. The first thing he did was call John and say, hey, I want to get involved. And so I heard he was going down there and I was bummed out. I couldn't be there, but that's super fun. I love connections like that.

Speaker 3: 20:42

But think about this this is not his river Right. Where does he live?

Speaker 2: 20:49

He lives up in Hume.

Speaker 3: 20:50

And so obviously he does that there, like if you dropped us off at a fire station somewhere else, we'd be kind of lost. We could figure it out but we wouldn't. But we're kind of lost. Right, it's not our place, right, he showed up and he wasn't in our. He'd take one or two people and the basics are the basics, but he doesn't know the intricacies of that river and where the fish normally are. And people are saying that, like he never put his pole in the water, he was showing people and they were zinging fish because of his expertise and he spent his entire day coming down from Hume to the Kern helping these guys out and getting these fish and watching them. And it was just the heart of that kind of person to serve and volunteer and something like that. It just blows me away, cause I'm, I'm where, I'm jaded, right, I'm always looking like what's his angle right?

Speaker 2: 21:38

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 21:39

I'm not trying to sell afterwards. Nobody had nothing. I was like all right now that you know. Now they're going to say, hey, if you want to sign up, you can take $7,000 classes or nothing. No, they're just, they have a heart to serve and they wanted to experience what they experienced. It's just like a kind of a peace and joy and a hobby that they truly love. They want others to experience that and, in turn, help them with anything that they're going through. And it was that. I mean, my wife wasn't super into it, but you know she was into sitting on the shoreline putting her feet in the water just watching the birds fly by, and she was happy as a clam and it was like she's there and I'm fishing. It was phenomenal. It was like we were 20 again, you know.

Speaker 2: 22:18

That's so cool. So hold the line. Takes first responders veterans and their spouses, if they want to come. If I'm correct, yes, and we will put another link in the show notes so you can get to John's website, john and Emily's website and check them out. We, we love those. We love those too. We love what they're doing. Obviously, you can hear from Kevin. It's really cool, so we'll put a link there and if you're in that any of those communities, reach out to them and see if you can get out there, cause it's definitely beneficial. I will end up out there eventually myself. It sounds like a blast. It's something I've never done, but obviously you know I love being outside. I've never been a fisherman, but you know what? I know a lot of people that are just deeply invested in fly fishing. So there's gotta be something cool there. And even if it's not something you end up doing beyond that, like it's still a great opportunity to just kind of connect with nature and whoever you're there with and just get a little bit of recuperation time in.

Speaker 3: 23:15

So go check that out and it was one of those things like in the afternoon on Saturday at our like second session. After lunch, like you know, the sun was kind of cresting over the, the ridge of the mountain, and so it wasn't just beating down on your face and it was just kind of that cool breeze going through and it was about 80 degrees. You got I'm like waist deep up into the river, throwing this fly back and forth, and I was just at peace and I was like you're sitting there just like halfway deep in nature, right, and like standing, like looking at just the beauty of the world, right, when everyone can bomb on California all day long. But man, is it beautiful? And then I looked over to John and I was like I get it, I get it, I can get why you would be completely into this Cause I was completely at one, like sitting in this river.

Speaker 3: 24:06

I couldn't care less if I caught a fish or not, I was just happy and present and there it was fantastic. And this is what stood out to me. If I'm honest, a lot of the hobbies that I do are mine and mine alone. Like I play drums in a band, I do the workout stuff, we run the nonprofit for fire fight, right. We like do a lot of stuff, but it's like my thing, right. It was very impressive to watch Emily, who was just as competent on the water and was zinging fish up and down the river and knowing where to go that they found a thing together.

Speaker 2: 24:44

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 24:45

That's their focus in their marriage around this thing where they have two young kids. They have two young boys and they prioritize this to say, like we take our weekends away and do our thing. And so it was very powerful to me to say, like, well, hey, we really don't have a thing. Like we know we go on walks and we go on hikes and we've played tennis before. But I really want to like search back in to find something that her and I can find together to say this is our thing, right, and this is what we're going to do. We're going to do a lot of different little things. It might not just be fly fishing or something, but that was very cool to watch a couple engage that do that. He's the first responder. We know that schedule. She's an active teacher for sixth grade and they have two young boys under seven years old. Like they're busy and yet they found a thing and you can see the connection point between them two while they're standing in the river throwing that thing back. It was very impressive.

Speaker 2: 25:37

That's cool, man, that's cool. That's a good, that's a good lesson for me. I need to find one of those things too, and I'm betting most of you men listening probably need to do the same. So let's get on that. Let's work on that, yeah. So give us some ideas, hit us up on Instagram, send us some comments. What do you guys do? What's your thing that you do together with your wife where you're getting out and doing something?

Speaker 3: 26:00

Yeah, yeah, what are you doing? What's your guys? It would be, it would be cool to have a shared hobby. Like I'm not going to knit with her, right, I just know that Right, and she's not going to cross it with me, so but we have to find something, and that we had a five hour drive home kind of throwing out ideas. Well, we like music, so maybe concerts, but maybe throwing like a concert in San Diego where we spend half the day on the beach and then go to the concert and then you know, like we're, we're looking for our thing.

Speaker 2: 26:28

Totally dude. I love it. Good stuff. John and Emily are the best.

Speaker 3: 26:32

They really are Really good people, but I would highly recommend to look them up. They run a couple of classes a year and even more than that. If you just said, hey, I wanted to go up, john seems always down to say if his schedule works out, he'll go up and donate his time and show you guys what's up. So, and I do think eventually the the fire up guys are all going to try to figure that out with their wives let's, and he's really pushing that. I think that would be an amazing connection thing for all of us to go up and have them show us the way again. It's really fun.

Speaker 3: 27:04

There were some amazing people there. You know, we had like four guys from Anaheim PD who were all in the SWAT team absolute studs, and this was really impressive. Like you know, all that goes down in law enforcement and they work in a busy city. They're on the SWAT team and these four guys on the SWAT team, as soon as they get off work, they drive to one of their houses and they go right up to mammoth and they go fish for the day, come home and they're on 12s right and so they're off maybe a couple of days, but they they prioritize that because that's their help mental release and they're a fantastic fishermen Great guys, but a lot of other people that were there that were doing kind of the same stuff. It was very cool.

Speaker 2: 27:46

That's awesome dude. I love that Very encouraging, all right, so let's switch gears. Let's talk about why I kind of don't believe in carnivore anymore. Whoa.

Speaker 3: 28:04

That's a little click baby. You're kind of known for the carnivore guy, though.

Speaker 2: 28:08

I know it's a little click baby You're going to hear I'm going to explain it to you, but I kind of got to start at the beginning and I'm going to try not to belabor this too much. But about nine or 10 years ago I started doing paleo because I was doing crossfit and at the time paleo was the diet that all crossfitters did. So I did that, my wife was on board, we did that for a bunch of years, and over the course of that I realized that I operated better when I had more fat in my diet and the version of paleo that we had learned and were doing was super lean, and so while I lost a ton of weight, I was not performing at my best. I felt pretty awful, to be honest with you. I was constantly tired, very hungry, all the time. It was not an enjoyable period of time in my life, though I did lose weight which you know that's awesome but I didn't feel good.

Speaker 2: 28:52

So then keto started to become a thing and I transitioned over to that and I felt amazing on keto and I got super deep into it. I had a ketone monitor where I was pricking my finger every day, sometimes multiple times a day, seeing what my ketones were, which, if you don't know what that is, it just basically is showing you how much. It's basically showing you that you're in a state where your body is burning fat for fuel and the ketone levels will show you that. So I got into that super deep. Heather came along with me on that ride too, and then more recently probably I don't know, you think it's been the past like three years, probably, about three years started doing carnivore and wasn't alone in that.

Speaker 2: 29:33

Obviously, when Kevin and I were together at 15s with Mike Kenobi, we were all doing that together and I really liked carnivore. I really like carnivore for a couple of reasons. One, I felt amazing on it. I felt really good. Two, it was easy. I didn't have this huge list of food that I could eat. I couldn't eat. It was basically just like is it easy.

Speaker 2: 29:53

Is it meat? I can eat it.

Speaker 2: 29:54

And eggs, yeah, and I eventually started to add in dairy into that, where I would eat cheese and drink heavy cream, but I was basically no carbs. So during that whole time of doing keto and carnivore, I'm not really eating any carbs. Now, caveat that by saying I would come home or I'd be at the station and I'd have days where I would just go off the reservation and eat every carb available. So if I'm at a social situation somebody's birthday, I'm eating cake, but then I'm going to get ice cream and then I'm going to eat more cake and more ice cream, I would just go off. Not that I never had carbs, but it was infrequent and in periods where I would just eat a ton at once, my body adjusted really well to carnivore, to the point where I can do my regular workout, which in the morning for me, like when I'm at work, is about a 30 to 45 minute workout, you know, doing a bunch of different stuff, and I would feel great, I feel fine. I usually workout fasted and then I would eat and I would. It would be fine.

Speaker 2: 30:49

The problems have started to show up in the past, really, probably. Honestly, I started noticing it about a year ago where, if I did anything above and beyond my normal workload, I would start to get cramps. I would cramp up and I attributed that to okay, I've got low electrolytes. So I started supplementing and you know us on this podcast, we love element electrolytes, and so I was supplementing with that and that helped. And as time has gone on, it's helped less and less, and so I've had a couple of days where I had a really dramatic workload throughout the day and by the end of the day my legs are cramping, my stomach muscles are cramping and there's just like nothing I can do. I'm waking up in the middle of the night with like debilitating leg cramps and it's getting. It's getting really bad. And so I'm driving home this is probably like three weeks ago.

Speaker 2: 31:46

I'm driving home and I'm listening to stuff on YouTube, listening to guys talk about, you know, whatever I'm interested in, and this video pops up and it's one of the guys. There's actually two of the guys that I listened to over the years on keto and then on carnivore. They were big carnivore guys and the title of the video was why I've changed my mind about carnivore and so I kind of didn't want to listen to it, because there's so many diet fads and I'm like, well, this is working for me. But I listened to it and everything that I'd been dealing with with the muscle cramps and just kind of like the lack of ability to really push beyond my normal workload is exactly what these guys were talking about. So the reason why that happens, according to these guys and these guys are both you know Barrow science guys like they're educated far more than me. They're not doctors, but they've done a lot of research. Actually, one of them is a doctor.

Speaker 2: 32:43

Anyway, when you eat carbohydrates, it signals your kidney to absorb and retain electrolytes, and that has to do with the insulin spike that you get when you eat carbohydrates. So you eat carbs, insulin goes up, which is natural, in order to process that sugar, and part of that is then your kidneys know okay, I'm going to retain these minerals and these electrolytes that you're consuming. When we go into a period of long-term no carbs which I've been doing this for a long time now, with keto and carnivore combined what happens is you become somewhat insulin-resistant almost, because you almost never have these insulin spikes, and so your kidney stops retaining the electrolytes and so you have to continually take in more and more and more, and then eventually it just stops working. So basically, I believe that that's the point that I'm at and this was happening to me at our last fire up program. I talked to you about it.

Speaker 2: 33:44

Yeah, you were hurting, I was hurting, I couldn't fully engage in the jiu-jitsu with my brother because I kept getting cramps. So I would be like trying to do this move that Dave's teaching us with my brother and I would have to stand up and stretch because my stomach's cramping up and I'm fit enough where that shouldn't have been an issue, but suddenly it's been an issue and so it was really frustrating me. So these guys, according to them, the answer is you have to eat carbs, and the way they explained it was things like honey and fruit, like natural carbs. They are going to spike your insulin, but then it's going to come back down to your base insulin level really quick, like usually under an hour, and then your kidney gets that signal and it can retain the electrolyte. So they said it takes a few weeks to kind of manifest itself, and I discovered I found that to be true because at the program I had already started eating honey and I've dabbled with that every once in a while, but I just didn't really stick with it.

Speaker 2: 34:52

And the primary reason I didn't stick with it is because I had learned and been taught during keto and carnivore times that if your insulin level is up you can't burn fat right, you're not losing weight, and not that I need to lose a bunch of weight. But if I don't try to stay lean, I get fat. I'm just, I'm a default fat person if I don't watch what I'm doing. So I just figured I'll just be no carb most of the time and I'll be fine. But I was causing this, this issue, didn't know it. So I started adding honey and fruit in and it's taken about three weeks to really kind of even out.

Speaker 2: 35:26

But now I feel awesome, game on it's. It's like it's like night and day. I feel like I felt when I first started carnivore and I'm not testing my ketones. I don't know what's going on with that. I don't care. Maybe I'm eating the same thing. But at the end of my meal I eat a few, three or four tablespoons of honey, I eat some fruit, I don't worry about it, I don't count the carbs, I just eat it and enjoy it. And then I go on my day and I've been feeling great, and doing something like a run with a vest on a couple of weeks ago would have left me with leg cramps, especially at night after went to bed, and I haven't experienced that at all. So I'm not done with carnivore. I still love eating that way, but I'm now adding in the carbs, which isn't a new thing, like I've heard guys saying this. Dave Thiebaud and Mike Kenobi have told me this before. But I'm on the train. That's what I'm doing.

Speaker 3: 36:20

I think it's your activity level, though, mike, because, like everyone was blown away because the paleo thing was a thing during the crossfit community. But you're talking about average Joe's who work in a desk, who sit around and then they do a 30 minute warm up and a 30 minute cross at workout. Of course, of course that works for them. That's their activity level right, and they're doing that three days a week right. But when you work out an intensity level that most people on the planet don't, then you're an active person at home in chopping wood, you're doing all this stuff and then you have your job as a firefighter. I've always felt that, like people that put out like that, think about high end athletes. They live on carbohydrates and they have paper thin skin, they're at a 5% body fat. They live on carbohydrates because of the anaerobic threshold. Like, you need carbohydrates at some point, and I feel like anything for a short period of time is great, and that was always the big thing with carnivore. They really don't know what that looks like long term.

Speaker 3: 37:23

They try to study the inuits and different people, but there's a lot of people like Saladino that would say like he followed those people and that's where he got honey and fruit from, because if they came, across a thing of berries.

Speaker 3: 37:36

They devour the berries, right, right. And so it's not like, oh no, they're not thought of it, it's just like, no, that's readily available, we'll definitely do it. So, yeah, I think that's interesting. No, I think it's cool because I think if you pigeonhole yourself in one way, I've always felt like, try, every diet and nutrition is so unique to every single person. I tried carnivore multiple times. I did lean out, I did feel okay and then at some point I felt miserable. And then, for me, I went to that stand efforting thing and he has his own diet and then he's basically meat and rice and he puts the rice like before a workout or after a workout.

Speaker 2: 38:17

Yeah, the timing yeah.

Speaker 3: 38:18

And I feel great. You know what I mean, so that works for me. But paleo or even keto, I felt disgusting but I noticed that, like my gall, I didn't have enough, like the ways to break down the fat and like I felt terrible on that. So I think everybody's unique.

Speaker 2: 38:37

Yeah for sure, kind of where I put carnivore now, and this is not super new for me. But I've always told guys like, if you want to lean out, it's a pretty easy way to do. It easy from the perspective of there's not a lot of rules to follow, it's real basic. So it's hard to do and it's hard to implement. But if you want to lean out and lose some weight, do a two week or maybe a 30 day challenge and just eat meat and eggs for two weeks to a month and you will lose weight.

Speaker 2: 39:08

But I wouldn't recommend continuing that on consistently. Have a little bit of flexibility. Eat those carbs. Eat them at an appropriate time. That's super helpful. So, post workout, like Kevin just said, that's been science for a long time. We've known that that carbs post workout are super beneficial for rebuilding those muscles that you just tore down. So try to time those.

Speaker 2: 39:30

And then, of course, we're not talking about eating cake and ice cream, like those are the wrong kind of carbs. Processed sugars are not great for you at any given time. So go to the honey, go to the fruit. Berries are great stuff like that.

Speaker 2: 39:43

But the other kind of cool thing by going that route and having carbs on a semi regular basis as part of your meal is that when you do show up at a birthday party and you have to eat cake and ice cream the next day, you're not going to have some crazy hangover from that insulin spike which, if you've done a long term, like 30 day version of strict carnivore. And then you're like, all right, I did it and now you go off the reservation. You feel absolutely terrible and the reason you do is your body's not used to those carbs. It's not used to that insulin because it hasn't seen it in a month, and then you just feel like trash the next day, like really bad, like I think I felt worse doing that to myself than I ever felt back in the day when I was drinking too much.

Speaker 3: 40:28

Yeah, but I think that has something to do with it. I mean, I've been a sober guy for 20 years. I am all on or all off, yeah yeah. And I do think like, if you think about carnivore or something like that, we can take that thing to the extreme as well, right? Or we can take anything pretty much to extreme. It's just the personality type that's our DNA.

Speaker 3: 40:48

So it goes back to moderation, and moderation We've joked is for cowards, but I do think that there probably has some value in saying yeah you know, and so, like I'm giving myself a pass around the holidays, I know it's really impossible to follow like a strict diet and while we're visiting family, we're traveling and stuff like that. But I always love January 1st because I'll probably do a 30 day carnivore challenge and as a reset to get away from processed foods, to get away from sugar, to get away from all that stuff. I do think there's benefits to it, and even the GI doctors that I've gone to said you guys call it carnivore, like the health world would call it an elimination diet. Yeah, and you're eliminating foods that you're maybe sensitive to or irritable, and then you just start adding things back in and seeing where it works. Well, I find, like adding back in fruit, obviously, a honey, rice, those things don't bother me, so that's probably what I should be normally.

Speaker 2: 41:42

Yeah, totally. And on that note of moderation, the honey and fruit is actually really interesting for me because the other day I'm at the station and somebody brings in crumble cookies, right.

Speaker 3: 41:54

Oh, those big ones you know, crumble cookies.

Speaker 2: 41:56

They're really big, they've got like an inch of frosting on the top and I tell myself I'm not going to eat any, but I do and I'm basically like I'm going to cut a quarter of one of these. That's going to be my carbs right now. This quarter of a cookie? Right, that's nonsense. I eat three whole cookies probably by the time I was done.

Speaker 2: 42:14

I don't have that same issue and that, just like I've tasted the real sugar and now I'm off the reservation and I just go all in and eat way too much. I don't have the same issue with honey or fruit, like if I eat four tablespoons of honey, I'm good, I don't want to eat any more of it and it doesn't cause me to go off on a binge on real quote, unquote real sugar or processed sugar, I should say. And the same thing with fruit. I've never actually really enjoyed like fruit. I'm not going to sit down and eat a whole bunch of bananas I don't know anybody that does but there's less risk there for me, so I can take in those carbs. They're healthier carbs and I'm not going to then go and eat all of the chocolate covered almonds that I know are in the pantry at work, so it's helpful for that.

Speaker 3: 42:57

I like it. Yeah, play with what works. I mean, aesthetically, I don't think you got nothing to lose, right? And like I mean you look fantastic, you're working out good. I think we're at a point now to say how do you feel, right? And like that's the number one thing. You can't go down a road nutritionally, like no offense any vegans out there and they have a belief that this is why they're doing it to their own detriment and they feel horrible, they look horrible, they can't perform. Well, it got to be cognizant that this ain't working right and it's like you're doing a light level of activity and you know that you're cramping and you're not able to do the things that your brother, who doesn't look like, is doing right.

Speaker 1: 43:39

Yeah, we got a problem with nutrition right, big problem I was frustrated.

Speaker 3: 43:44

You know, and you got to be able to switch it up right, and so I think that's, I actually think I'm proud of you that you could look at that and say just switch it up, because I do think people go down that road so blindly because of a ball of leaf that this is the way.

Speaker 2: 43:58

Well it ain't working, bro, and I got to be clear and honest here. You are one of the people that, years ago, was telling me some of this stuff and saying hey, I think you need some targeted carbohydrates. Mike Kenobi, dave Tebow, like I had people in my life that were speaking this stuff to me, but it wasn't until I kind of started hitting a wall because I was feeling great and I was at least in my opinion I was performing really well in the workouts and at my job. It wasn't until that started to become an issue because of imbalances in my body that I had created, I believe. Now again, not a scientist and I haven't had any of this tested.

Speaker 2: 44:31

This is all just my personal experience, but it sounds accurate. I've listened to what these guys said. I've read some stuff and a lot of it makes sense. So that's where I'm at. So am I off carnivore? No, I actually still want to eat that way most of the time because it's super easy and I love it. But I am adding in honey and fruit Just about every day not every day, because some days I just don't feel like it, but Most days I've been doing that and I've been feeling great. I'm gonna keep doing it.

Speaker 3: 45:01

I can't wait for you to stop at the Fruit man cart and get the tahini, the whole thing.

Speaker 2: 45:06

Yeah, let's go we were just talking about that dude. I just drove up to Victorville today and which, by the way, on California being beautiful Victorville right when you, when you hear that, what you picture just kind of like it's high desert, it's it's kind of a Hole of a town, but we're kind of on the outskirts of Victorville and we're driving up into the hills and there are some beautiful places right there in Victorville Amazing rocks, it's like that high desert, it's everywhere. Anyway, we saw the fruit, this guy, pruthas, and we actually saw probably eight or nine of them as we were driving through Victorville and we noticed something every single one of those guys has an umbrella right, but they're all the same umbrella it's the rainbow.

Speaker 3: 45:46

Yeah, you know, rainbow umbrella.

Speaker 2: 45:47

Yeah. So then the question came up I've never seen an umbrella like that sold. Is there some sort of fruit? This guy like supply store where they all go to get their umbrellas.

Speaker 3: 45:57

Yes, you got to go to this, they got to get this the right umbrella. But how would you know it's the fruit to get if you didn't have that ring would?

Speaker 2: 46:02

it?

Speaker 3: 46:03

No, they have to have it if you had a black umbrella. I'm like what the hell is that guy selling? Yeah, you kind of suspect Right, I always like the guys on left and well, in 15s area there competing corners, you know, and you're like, I don't know, I'm claiming northbound right, where do we stop?

Speaker 2: 46:18

Yeah, hugo always knew. Yeah, he always took us to the right one. That's the last time I've done that, actually back when Hugo was still our captain.

Speaker 3: 46:26

I can't wait. Now it's afternoon for demand. We're gonna go get it.

Speaker 2: 46:30

All right, I'm ready.

Speaker 3: 46:35

I got fifth grade humor, if you want to hear this.

Speaker 2: 46:38

Yeah, I do.

Speaker 3: 46:41

Well, that I forget what it is. So my daughter's in fifth grade and you know, when you're talking about, there's words that come up and we're doing our homework. And dad, how do you spell science? Oh, sci, you know, like all the things right, yeah.

Speaker 3: 46:57

Yeah, and then I'm in the world and her timing was impeccable because we're in the world of like, we're doing like reading, comprehension, and we're going through words, and we're doing things and in the middle of it she goes dad is a but cheeks one word, or should I spread them apart?

Speaker 1: 47:18

And I had a stomach. I try my, but cheeks is a and I'm like, oh, you got me that was.

Speaker 3: 47:24

Oh, dude, I was super impressed that you threw that out at the right time. I was very impressed at fifth grade humor.

Speaker 2: 47:30

That is awesome, dude. I've never heard that one. That's funny. I'm not surprised your girls are funny. Obviously they have the gift from their father. But that that's funny. I.

Speaker 3: 47:42

Thought that'd be a perfect sign somewhere.

Speaker 2: 47:45

Dude. I'll share this, since we're talking about kids being funny. Indy is a sharp little guy and it's because he has two teenage His brothers and sisters are their teenagers, yes. So he picks up everything. So he's sharp at a level that he shouldn't be, because that's who he's around, so that's who he emulates, and he says stuff. Sometimes it's so spot-on that we all just like stop and laugh. And the other day this has been driving my whole family crazy.

Speaker 2: 48:11

The other day we're making, making a meal together and we're talking about the dogs and I make some comment and he follows it up immediately, just like that perfect timing with oh well, then Charlie's Bill Gates. That's what he says and we all just laugh. It was hilarious. But then later on that day we're trying to remember like wait a minute, what was the context? Why did he say that? Because we all knew and remembered that it was perfect, but none of us can remember why. And so now that's like the running joke. It's like Bill Gates, but nobody can remember why. It's funny. We just know that Andy nailed it and, like Andy shouldn't even know who Bill Gates is, but he listens to the kids and so he knows all this stuff that he's like should it know? So, bill Gates? It's like, it's like the inside joke, that nobody really knows what it means. Let me give a quick update on where I'm at, because I don't think we've talked about this. Yeah, where are you?

Speaker 2: 49:02

I'm at station 66 now, which is in Pasadena the Rock House it's called the Rock House and it's on Pasadena's land, but obviously Pasadena has her own fire department, so we run calls in Altadena, which is right next door. So every time we leave the barn we're in their area. It's actually funny. The guys that work there say they've had a couple of calls where people have brought someone to the station you know that people sometimes do and then when the call comes in, so we're there right, but then Pasadena guys have to show up because it's technically their area. So it's like both units on scene, everybody taking care of it. But that's where I'm at and it's a beautiful spot, man. It's just this really old station that was built by the Forest Service in the 20s. There's trees and grass, I've seen deer, and there's just animals everywhere property.

Speaker 2: 49:51

It's big property, yard days, yard days, a beast.

Speaker 3: 49:54

But there's two years.

Speaker 2: 49:55

Two yard days, two yard days a week which, if you know anything about the fire service, at least in the county, there's one yard day a week at every other station in the county at least as far as I'm aware, but it's a huge.

Speaker 2: 50:06

It's a huge property. So that's where I'm at beating some cool dudes up there and, yeah, just trying to fit back in. It's very strange going to a new area when I don't know anybody and I don't have a reputation or or anything like. I'm just a random new guy. So it's been kind of fun To kind of be back in that world of being the new guy again. That's where I'm at for now.

Speaker 2: 50:31

I don't know what the long-term plan is going to be, but for now I'm in Pasadena and our own for our, our buddy and program guy, Kailin Ploof. He came up the other day because he got off work. He's running their tower right now. So he got off work, came up hanging out, hung out with me for a little bit because he's he's obviously right there. So that's kind of Kailin's a stud. He is, he is. He told me. He told me that One of the other guys that came to our program recently, david Um, had been listening to the podcast and heard us talking about how Kailin was a stud and so he was nervous about the program and he's like I don't really know why you guys say that about me. I'm like bro, I see your my zone workouts like we're on my zone. I see what you're doing and I've seen you perform at the at the program. I'm like you need to drop this. I don't know what you're talking about thing just to own it. I'm talking to you, kailin, own it.

Speaker 3: 51:26

Hey, so one more opportunity. I'm just going to throw this out there Thursday. This Thursday is a chaplain's breakfast. Oh yeah, we went last year and it was great. They have a phenomenal speaker from northern Ireland. I don't know who is speaking this year.

Speaker 2: 51:40

It is a guy from LA city. He's one of their chaplains and Andy Andy signs, actually knows him and vouches for him is being an amazing dude and an awesome speaker. So that's who's going to be speaking this year Awesome.

Speaker 3: 51:50

So that is that cottonwood church In orange county. I believe we're going to be there again and uh, I believe wives are included. We just talked to Andy signs and he said that he's bringing his wife. I see my wife might come down for that, but it was. That was a very cool event. These are all the chaplains of all the like southern california area fire departments and I don't know if you guys know vince roll dan, who's our lead chaplain just an amazing, wonderful man, and all those guys seem great. But it was a very cool event. We got to hear some things, that they do some music too. So if you want to come by and say hi, we'll have our booth out there too, and uh, we'll be. We'll be listening to that too, so come on by cottonwood church this thursday I think it's like 9 am.

Speaker 2: 52:34

Yes, and it's open to all firefighters. You can bring your spouse. You just got to go register. Uh, we will put a link for that in the show notes as well. And there were all kinds of other cool Uh, vendors isn't the right word, but people like us at the fire up program. So mighty oaks was there, and next wrong, charlie from next rung was there. So, yeah, a lot of cool opportunities to connect with people like that, and they serve you breakfast and, of course, it's cooked by retired firemen, so it's great breakfast.

Speaker 3: 52:57

So, yeah, come join us out there, that'll be fun, yeah so chaplain's breakfast on thursday, this thursday, the 26th of october, and then saturday or no? What day is the health summit? Yeah saturday saturday is the health summit, so a couple cool events coming up this week.

Speaker 2: 53:16

Yeah, come hang out with us. Links for that will be in the show notes. Come say hi.

Speaker 3: 53:22

All right, I want a specific. So what type of honey? There's hordes and hordes and hordes of honey out there.

Speaker 2: 53:28

What are we going with? Okay, so in the past, right now, it's just the, the organic honey that I can find at the grocery store raw honey, yeah yeah, not cooked or whatever, not processed, not filtered, all that kind of good stuff in the past.

Speaker 2: 53:44

I don't have any of this right now, but in the past I've gone to the farmers market up here and gotten the local stuff. So the local stuff is good because it's supposed to be really good for allergies, because Bees are magical and they put stuff in there and then when you ingest it it's supposed to help with with allergies. So if you eat local, that is supposed to help with the things you're allergic to in your area. So if you can find that awesome, and then if you're really trying to be super healthy with your honey, you want the darkest honey you can get darkness.

Speaker 2: 54:17

And the last jar of honey I got at the farmers market was black what? And it tasted so Weird. It was slack, it was like smoky and it almost tasted like Almost like maple syrup like, but raw maple syrup with no added sugar, where it's not actually good, like it really wasn't good. But I ate it because I thought it was super healthy for me and, yeah, I'm gonna do it again next time I can find it. But right now I'm just eating normal raw, unfiltered, organic, local.

Speaker 3: 54:51

Honey. I know how this goes and if anybody knows, noel, mark the date on this, but timestamp this right now, because within a while he's gonna have some sort of bee suit on raising his own bees, having his own honey, and that's gonna be a whole thing.

Speaker 2: 55:09

Oh, man, I Didn't think about that, but you might be right. I Do get carried away, I get carried away and who's the guy?

Speaker 1: 55:21

right now we're up in Crestline, california. She was. How's her? With no Lily? This is amazing. He's got a white outfit on and he's. He's raising bees for the carnivation diet and it's amazing.

Speaker 2: 55:39

That's spot-on dude. That makes me want to go watch some Heelhauser. What was his show called?

Speaker 1: 55:43

now? No, let me ask you this are these kettlebells for the bees?

Speaker 3: 55:50

Did anyone go watch?

Speaker 1: 55:51

a keel house or do that.

Speaker 3: 55:53

I was fantastic that was the best show. I don't think it was on a mar, not edit.

Speaker 1: 55:57

like a great look, he's like right now we're on the South Fork of the LA River. This is great. There's a couple dead bums in the river, but it's amazing.

Speaker 2: 56:09

He didn't matter where he was.

Speaker 3: 56:10

He was so enthusiastic and he made everything sound amazing, and so it was amazing and that was his tagline, but that was that when you had this, the man flew when you were sick. You know we we got to stay home and you'd watch like prices right in Heelhauser you know. Yeah, that's what was on PBS dude right and got your saltine crackers. Dude, with that dry mouth, I love saltine crackers. Yeah, they're great. Dude, nothing throws about Bob Barker and Heelhauser dude, I love it. They are the cure for the man flew.

Speaker 2: 56:38

Which is probably why you know we stay sick longer now, because they're they're not available anymore. Now we're just like watch this up on.

Speaker 3: 56:45

YouTube. No, true, Carrie's not curing anybody no no. Bob Barker man. He had that long microphone that is. If I could find that microphone, this podcast would blow up. It was like a four-foot thin stick with a Head on top that that was a microphone.

Speaker 2: 57:03

Yeah, if you're out there and you're in the audio kind of production world or whatever, find out for us. Maybe you already know what are those microphones and then hook us up.

Speaker 3: 57:11

We need, we need those and he was always messing with that. You know, like a 78 foot cord, that he was always messing with he had to throw it out there like a lasso, you know, yeah, that that was a microphone seems like it'd be real good for the podcast come on down All right. Well, we've gone off the reservation. It's a great day.

Speaker 3: 57:27

Hope we will see you Thursday or Saturday. I'll be recalled so. But yeah, great stuff ahead and I will throw this out there it doesn't seem. It seems far away, but January 12th, 13th, 14th is our next fire up class and we have pretty good crew already in that thing. But I think we have probably like seven or eight spots at least. So sign up. Fire up program calm, we got some spots. That is gonna be a fun class. My favorite classes are in the cold. I just think it amplifies Everything. But there's a lot of fire time, which means we got a snuggle up around that thing. It's at all. They're my favorite.

Speaker 2: 58:09

Don't be scared, we're not making fires for ambiance at that point now serve a purpose and it's awesome.

Speaker 3: 58:16

Yeah, so come out. Fire program calm. That's our next class. It'll be a great one. Let's go. This has been the fire you carry. Podcast.

Speaker 2: 58:38

Thank you, guys, so much for listening. Hey, we've asked you a lot in the past and a bunch of you have taken action on it, but we love having your reviews on our podcast, especially in Apple podcasts. That is where most people listen and find their podcasts, so it's incredibly helpful if you go on there and review us. We're at something like a hundred and twelve five star reviews right now, which is super humbling, and A handful of you have actually taken the time to type out some thoughts, so I'm gonna actually start reading some of those at the end of this episode as a little bit of an incentive For you to do it yourself, because if you do it, then eventually I'll read yours and if you put a name in there that's identifiable enough, you'll get a shout out. This one is from back in the day, this one is from September of 2020 and the username is illegible it's DB JK SB 5. I have no idea who this is, but they say great show. Guys Really appreciate your thoughts and points of view, love how your guests seem to be so comfortable talking to you. Great job, keep it up. Thank you. Db JK SB 5. We really appreciate that.

Speaker 2: 59:50

If you're listening right now, we would love for you to go over to Apple podcasts. Leave us a review and type out some sentences, string some words together. Tell us what you think about the podcast. It's actually very helpful to us. We love reading them. I am going to keep up on this and I'm gonna start reading these at the end of episodes. So Put one in there for me. Eventually you'll hear it live here on the podcast and I'll give you a shout out, even if I don't have any idea who you are or can't read your screen name. Check out those links in the show notes for the events that we talked about. Definitely looking to hold the line, first responders, military veterans. It's something that you will benefit from and enjoy. So go check that out and Hopefully we'll see you at one of our live events that we will be at this week and if not, we'll see you right back here on the podcast next week. Welcome back to the fire. You carry podcast and that's just terrible.