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The general concept"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2584.18,"endTime":2587.45,"body":"is that students get experience"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2587.45,"endTime":2591.11,"body":"working in their industry while"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2587.45,"endTime":2591.11,"body":"completing their degree. And"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2591.11,"endTime":2594.68,"body":"Ivan's experience is a perfect"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2591.11,"endTime":2594.68,"body":"example of why that's important."},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2595.61,"endTime":2598.43,"body":"He got to try out a number of"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2595.61,"endTime":2598.43,"body":"roles that he then realized"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2598.43,"endTime":2602.51,"body":"weren't really for him."},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2598.43,"endTime":2602.51,"body":"actuarial sciences, not his"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2602.51,"endTime":2606.11,"body":"thing, accounts payable at a"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2602.51,"endTime":2606.11,"body":"private equity firm. He thought"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2606.11,"endTime":2609.65,"body":"the work was dry and boring. And"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2606.11,"endTime":2609.65,"body":"he specifically said that these"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2609.65,"endTime":2612.95,"body":"internships gave him great"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2609.65,"endTime":2612.95,"body":"clarity about what he wanted and"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2612.95,"endTime":2617.36,"body":"didn't want. And beyond that,"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2612.95,"endTime":2617.36,"body":"Ivan had similar experiences in"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2617.36,"endTime":2620.45,"body":"the real world. working as an"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2617.36,"endTime":2620.45,"body":"auditor, he just got tired of"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2620.45,"endTime":2623.45,"body":"looking at numbers all day and"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2620.45,"endTime":2623.45,"body":"in digital marketing. While it"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2623.45,"endTime":2626.06,"body":"was helpful in some ways, it"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2623.45,"endTime":2626.06,"body":"just wasn't the right fit for"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2626.06,"endTime":2631.22,"body":"him. Now, there's no regrets in"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2626.06,"endTime":2631.22,"body":"Ivan's story, he needed to do"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2631.22,"endTime":2634.67,"body":"these jobs to figure out that"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2631.22,"endTime":2634.67,"body":"his true calling was in fact,"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2634.7,"endTime":2635.39,"body":"music."},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2636.59,"endTime":2641.63,"body":"Takeaway number two, success"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2636.59,"endTime":2641.63,"body":"does not happen by accident. For"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2641.63,"endTime":2645.05,"body":"those who want to strike out on"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2641.63,"endTime":2645.05,"body":"their own, like Ivan did a plan"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2645.08,"endTime":2648.8,"body":"will help facilitate that"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2645.08,"endTime":2648.8,"body":"success. Think about how Ivan"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2648.8,"endTime":2651.77,"body":"got his coaching business off"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2648.8,"endTime":2651.77,"body":"the ground. He didn't just up"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2651.77,"endTime":2655.49,"body":"and quit his job one day and"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2651.77,"endTime":2655.49,"body":"decide to be a vocal coach. He"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2655.49,"endTime":2658.49,"body":"thought about it for quite some"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2655.49,"endTime":2658.49,"body":"time. And he started building up"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2658.49,"endTime":2662.69,"body":"a client base while he was still"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2658.49,"endTime":2662.69,"body":"working full time. It's also"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2662.69,"endTime":2665.36,"body":"fair to point out some of the"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2662.69,"endTime":2665.36,"body":"advantages that he had in his"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2665.36,"endTime":2668.27,"body":"scenario. As he said he didn't"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2665.36,"endTime":2668.27,"body":"have to worry about paying rent"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2668.3,"endTime":2672.38,"body":"and he didn't have a child to"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2668.3,"endTime":2672.38,"body":"take care of. Another thing Ivan"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2672.38,"endTime":2675.5,"body":"did was look for jobs that could"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2672.38,"endTime":2675.5,"body":"facilitate the success that he"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2675.5,"endTime":2678.68,"body":"was hoping for. He went and got"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2675.5,"endTime":2678.68,"body":"a job in digital marketing"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2678.68,"endTime":2682.22,"body":"specifically so he could learn"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2678.68,"endTime":2682.22,"body":"to grow his own online business."},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2682.73,"endTime":2685.16,"body":"And it's pretty nice when you"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2682.73,"endTime":2685.16,"body":"can get paid to learn a skill"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2685.16,"endTime":2688.52,"body":"set that you want to learn for"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2685.16,"endTime":2688.52,"body":"another purpose, not just for"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2688.52,"endTime":2692.24,"body":"your job. And it didn't stop"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2688.52,"endTime":2692.24,"body":"there. When he eventually"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2692.24,"endTime":2695.36,"body":"started coaching full time. He"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2692.24,"endTime":2695.36,"body":"took a part time job on the side"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2695.36,"endTime":2697.97,"body":"just to keep paying some of the"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2695.36,"endTime":2697.97,"body":"bills while he built up more and"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2697.97,"endTime":2700.61,"body":"more clients to the point where"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2697.97,"endTime":2700.61,"body":"that job became As a full"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2700.61,"endTime":2705.53,"body":"fledged, full time career. Well,"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2700.61,"endTime":2705.53,"body":"I'm sure I could dig farther"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2705.53,"endTime":2708.47,"body":"into this interview. That is"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2705.53,"endTime":2708.47,"body":"some of what I learned from Ivan"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2708.47,"endTime":2708.86,"body":"today."},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2711.74,"endTime":2714.5,"body":"That's all for this week's"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2711.74,"endTime":2714.5,"body":"episode of career crossroads. So"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2714.5,"endTime":2717.59,"body":"now that we're wrapping up, go"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2714.5,"endTime":2717.59,"body":"check out Ivan simply singing"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2717.59,"endTime":2720.59,"body":"podcast. I'll put a link in the"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2717.59,"endTime":2720.59,"body":"show notes so it should be very"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2720.59,"endTime":2724.16,"body":"easy to find. If you know"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2720.59,"endTime":2724.16,"body":"someone who would be interested"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2724.16,"endTime":2727.13,"body":"in hearing Ivan's story, please"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2724.16,"endTime":2727.13,"body":"share this episode with them."},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2727.16,"endTime":2729.2,"body":"And if you want to hear more"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2727.16,"endTime":2729.2,"body":"interviews, go to career"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2729.2,"endTime":2732.86,"body":"Crossroads podcast.com. You can"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2729.2,"endTime":2732.86,"body":"also review the show while"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2732.86,"endTime":2735.47,"body":"you're there, and sign up to"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2732.86,"endTime":2735.47,"body":"make sure you get notified about"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2735.47,"endTime":2738.92,"body":"future episodes. Episodes like"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2735.47,"endTime":2738.92,"body":"next week's interview with"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2738.92,"endTime":2742.67,"body":"Priyanka who went from a career"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2738.92,"endTime":2742.67,"body":"in mechanical engineering to"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2742.67,"endTime":2746.24,"body":"getting an MBA and moving her"},{"speaker":"Jonathan Collaton","startTime":2742.67,"endTime":2746.24,"body":"career from India to Germany."}]}