IDS #271 - I Wanted To Ship Myself Overseas (w/ Mark Malkoff)

Legendary podcast host, comedian and author Mark Malkoff joins the Irritable Dads to talk about his brand new book Love Johnny Carson.

They have a fantastic discussion about Johnny and what made him so awesome. He also talks about working with David Letterman, interviewing Steven Wright and Fred Willard, the time he had New Yorkers carry him across the city and so much more.

We were thrilled to have Mark on the show. Order his book now at www.markmalkoff.com

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Transcript

Welcome to Irritable Dad Syndrome, Cincinnati's comedy podcast

>> Mike: I'm gonna fiddle with this knob here, okay? I don't want you to get distracted.

>> Darin: When I fiddle with the knob. Mike's gonna fiddle with a knob real quick.

>> Mike: I just fiddled.

>> Darin: It's fiddling, you know? You know what? We don't stop doing that after college.

>> Mark Malkoff: Wow.

>> Darin: Hello.

>> Mark Malkoff: Number one on the college charts this summer was better than Ezra. And at number two, Ezra.

>> Dave: Welcome to Irritable Dad Syndrome. If this podcast lasts for more than two hours, please call your doctor. Here are your hosts, Mike and Darren.

>> Darin: Hi, I'm Darren.

>> Mike: I'm Mike.

>> Darin: Welcome to Irritable Dad Syndrome, Cincinnati's comedy podcast. This is episode 271. This is a very special episode. Well, they're all special, but for me.

>> Mike: Some are more special than others.

>> Darin: Some are more special than. It's like your kids. It's like you say you love your kids equally. You don't. There's always one kid that you love a little bit more.

>> Mark Malkoff: And.

>> Darin: And I think it's going to be tonight's episode because we have a very special guest, Mark Malkoff. Mark is the host of Inside Late Night. It's a podcast. It's about Saturday Night Live and Late Night with David Letterman and Conan o' Brien and other late night television hosts. But I want to ask him a thousand questions about his previous podcast, the Carson Podcast. Anyway, Mark, welcome to Irritable Dad Syndrome. How are you?

>> Mark Malkoff: I'm doing great. Thanks for having me, guys. Yeah, this will be fun to talk. Yeah. Johnny Carson. yeah. I can't believe it's been 12 years of my life, eight years on the podcast, and four years working on this book that's coming out in October, Carson book. So, yeah, it's. I never envisioned this, that this would be a thing where I've Talked to over 400 people at this point, about Carson, people that knew him, people that went on this show, his friends. yeah, it's. It. I did not think that would happen.

>> Darin: It's insane to me.


When you started the podcast, did people know who you were

Some of the people you got to be on your podcast. Now, let me ask you, when you started this, were you. Okay, it's hard to say. Were you, ah, a somebody when you started the podcast, did people know who you were? Because Mike, he opened up this podcast. His very first guest was Steven Wright. Okay, so, okay, you came out swinging.

>> Mark Malkoff: It was all time. And it's one of those things where I've worked on so many projects throughout my. My existence, and it's extremely rare that the seas part right away. And it was one of those things where, I was with Peter Jones, who did the PBS American Masters Johnny Carson documentary. And I was going to do just a generic podcast, but I always want to secretly kind of, I wanted to do. Do it about Johnny Carson. And he was the one that's like, mark, you need to do this Carson. Because his doc was incredible. And I just had so many more questions. And he's like, that can only really be, like, two hours. So he's like, tell everyone I endorse you. I'm like, who should I have on? And he's like, do you want Carl Reiner's home phone number? I said, yes. Do you want Angie Dickinson's email address? I do. And it was one of those things where, like, Stephen Wright, I was able to get a message to him, and within an hour he called me. Like, I did not expect that. And then. And then I was like, okay, so I'll come to Massachusetts. And he's like, mark, you don't understand. I'm in New York. I happened. I'm in Washington Square park right now. I can record in two hours. I was like, oh, my goodness. Problem solving. I had no time to research, but we did it and we still keep in touch. I mean, he emailed me like, a couple of weeks ago. And yeah, he's. He's been so kind to me. We've talked on the phone and kept in touch a bit. But it was one of those things where if it wasn't Johnny Carson, there is absolutely no way that the heavy hitters would. It was. It was a happy accident where it's like, yeah, I equate it to somebody's college experience where they had such a good time and no one, they never get to talk about it in depth. No one ever really asks them about it for more than a minute or two. So. And I do my research. So a lot of times they're kind of, like, tickled a little bit. They forgot things or they didn't know a certain thing. So I try to make it as fun as I can, but I did not. Never thought all these heavy hitters would say yes to me. It didn't occur to me that that would be a thing.

>> Darin: Well, you're probably tired of hearing me saying this because you and I were on the Letterman podcast and I was telling you how much an admirer I am of you because of the depth of research that you're doing on each and every guest. It amazes me because you would oftentimes stump them. You would ask them a question, they're like, they completely forgot that they did this, or you corrected. I think it was Smiggle. He was talking about one season that he was writing for somebody. You're like, oh, yeah, that was 93. He goes, I thought that was 95. That was in 93.

>> Mark Malkoff: Some of this stuff is in my head. And then, the Saturday Night Live stuff, I'm. I'm pretty good with that much research. But some of the other stuff, I just, you know, some of these people that I talked to have been interviewed so many times, and they're asked the same questions, and I just. I don't. I do the Carson stuff, and then if I just go with my curiosity with things maybe they haven't hopefully talked about, or maybe things that haven't been, that they are proud of that they haven't really gotten a chance to talk about. So I, I just. Yeah, people were nice with their time. A lot of times I would ask for like, 20 minutes, and, you know, then two hours goes by. I mean, I think the. Sometimes, you know, people wanted to keep talking. I just. It didn't. And I also was very wary about, if the audience would turn on me if talked about other stuff other than Johnny Carson. And it. It was. People loved it. I mean, people loved hearing the Carson. And then I could talk to whoever about movies and TV and other appearances going on Letterman or wherever. So it's just these organic conversations. I just didn't foresee it going eight years. And, the audience was unbelievable to follow me on this. I had never met anybody that loved Carson's show as much as me or knew much about the show other than, oh, I love the show. And they could very surfacely. Stuff that everyone knows. But I didn't know there were other people like us. So, it was a pleasant surprise. And I, Yeah, I'm so grateful for the experience.


A few years ago was fortunate to interview Billy Bob Thornton

>> Darin: Well, you were talking about, you know, guests. They would give you 20 minutes. A few years ago was fortunate, and I was able to interview Billy Bob Thornton. And, his manager said, he'll give you 20 minutes. That's it. And he told me, he's not talking movies, he's not talking television. The only thing he wants to talk about is his band and the music that he's doing right now. I said, okay. And I went in there under those requirements, and Billy Bob would not shut up. It was like 45, almost 50 minutes. And the manager came in and says, Billy Bob, you gotta go. He goes, oh, okay. Sorry, fellas. You know, but, yeah, he just would have talked and talked and talked. Because either he enjoyed me. It's likely. Yeah, he enjoyed me. He. Or he enjoyed what I was asking him. But so. But yeah, he just was open. And that's what I noticed with a lot of the guests on your show, that they were happy as clams to just talk and talk and talk with you.

>> Mark Malkoff: People were nice. It was like, back in the day when I started this. There really wasn't recording how we are right now remotely. So I was going to Los Angeles. I was going all around New York. I was taking trains to Jersey to sit down with these people in person. People were inviting me to their, into their homes. Famous people. I was. Didn't. I basically would say, we can record. I'm happy to come, either to you. Or we could record nearby. And they, would be like, why don't you just come to my home? I'm like, okay. So, yeah. But now it's just so much easier just to do the remote thing.


So, um, who had the nicest celebrity home of all the places

>> Darin: So, who had the nicest celebrity home of all the places that you.

>> Mark Malkoff: Oh, my goodness. There were so many of them. I'm trying to think, like, who had some that I was, like, in awe of.

>> Darin: and be honest. Did you steal anything?

>> Mark Malkoff: Did you take a. I wish I would have, like, I don't know, like a sugar packet of Paul.

>> Darin: I got Carl remote control.

>> Mike: Yeah, there you go.

>> Mark Malkoff: Paul Anka had a really nice place. I remember. I thought that that was really nice. Marshall Brickman had a great Central park west apartment. I'm trying to think in terms of the homes where I was just like, Cybill shepherd had a really nice place. Yeah, I just went all around. Very wild to me. Chevy Chase had a nice place. I really liked his estate.


Did you book your own guests or did you have somebody helping you

>> Darin: Now, did you book your own guests, or did you have somebody helping you? What was the process? Because with Irritable dad syndrome, I do the audio portion, and Mike does all the video, and he handles all our online stuff. So we. We split it up, and we're busy as can possibly be with two of us.

>> Mark Malkoff: Sure.

>> Darin: Did you do it all yourself?

>> Mark Malkoff: I was doing all the booking. Yeah. I'm pretty good at it. Like, I've, I've always been pretty good at, like, being able to get a message to the right person, and it takes a while. Like, it took me. I think it was, like, four or five hours of Googling to figure out Mel Brooks, his office, his assistant's email address, the correct one. But then it's like, I get. I reached her. But even to get Me Brooks to say yes is a minor miracle. And that's only because Carl Reiner told him to do it. And that is the. He's like, I just couldn't believe that Mel said yes because he says no to almost everything. He doesn't like to say yes. Until I found out the day before I found out, like, I don't know, like less than 24 hours notice that he said yes because he doesn't like to decide stuff.

>> Darin: So.

>> Mark Malkoff: But yeah, I just would reach out, I would try to go to directly to either the person, then personal assistance. And if that didn't work, if I didn't have that, I would publicist to managers that are. I didn't try, but once in a while I'll be like, I couldn't get. I had trouble with like, Pat Boone and John Davidson didn't want to do it, but he had people, really nice people that were like, telling them that they should do it. And they reached out to me and they're like, do you want Pat Boone? I'm like, yeah, I tried. And then John Davidson's person was like, I told him he should do. And he had such a good time. And I'm thrilled he did. But, yeah, it's just knocking on doors. It was writing letters, emails, guessing people's email addresses. this is back before when, you had explained what a, podcast was to certain people. Famous people didn't have podcasts. Like, now it's like jury duty for famous people having to do all the podcasts. I feel like when I ask them now, it's like they, do all their friends and then they get to me and it's like, oh, gosh.

>> Mike: oh, yeah, I don't feel like doing this now.

>> Darin: What was it? somebody was on Letterman. They're like, hey, will you do my podcast? Sure. And then after we record mine, then you can do my podcast. Okay. Yeah. Because everybody has one now. Yeah. I mean, hell, we have a podcast.

>> Mark Malkoff: Yeah, it's very. It's just as different from when I started. When I got in the game, I started recording them. I think it was like 2013. We were premiered on the 2014, and then we ended 2022. I am, with my book coming out in October, probably going to do a couple, some bonus. I don't want to call them Carson podcast episodes, but I'm definitely going to be interviewing some people that I haven't, that I didn't have on and put them on the car and podcast speed. Most Likely, yeah. I just had no way. I ran out of guest and sadly, you know, people that were. That were kids. Kids on the show now are in their 50s, and people just. The guests were unfortunately, sadly dying off. But since I've been, writing the book, I unearthed so many other people I didn't know existed that did the show and that had ties to Curse, and so I, definitely can do some. Some episodes.


With new book coming out in October, how much in the book is new

>> Darin: Okay, well, with the new book that comes out in October, how much in the book is new? Or is it. I mean, you had to have. Had to have included some stuff that you found out that was on the podcast.

>> Mark Malkoff: I think it's probably like. It's definitely more. At least half new, if not more.

>> Darin: Okay.

>> Mark Malkoff: I definitely used the podcast interviews. I mean, there were so many, like, discoveries, like, where I got. I just couldn't believe some of the stuff I earned, like dopamine hits, like, adrenaline on a roller coaster type stuff that I unearthed just through doing research. And, you know, I was able to talk to people that wouldn't talk to me for the podcast. And I just, you know, if I was able to get a big discovery and, you know, I. Some days I felt like I was a journalist. I had to cold call people, getting phone numbers just to verify things and just trying to figure out people tell me some things, tell me these really big claims, just trying to verify this stuff. And it was just. It was like. It seemed like this book was like a big puzzle, but so much new stuff, which is. That's what I wanted to give to the readers. Stuff that people hopefully didn't know the stuff. I didn't know that. I think, hopefully people will get excited about.

>> Dave: You're listening to Irritable Dad Syndrome, Cincinnati's comedy podcast.

>> Mark Malkoff: There's these two fellers standing on a bridge going to the bathroom. One feller says that the water is cold. Other fellers said the water is deep. I believe one feller come from Arkansas. Get it.


Was there anybody that you really wanted on the podcast that you just couldn't get

>> Darin: Was there anybody that you really wanted on the podcast that you just couldn't get to say yes?

>> Mark Malkoff: I mean, yeah, Dave Letterman will never talk to me in a million years. Like, I had a day job at his show. I mean, he, He. He just doesn't talk curse. And he didn't talk to Bill Zemi, I don't think for the book, for his, Bill's book. Bill. I mean, Bill told me Dave wouldn't do it. he. I think maybe it's just because, like, Carson's like, his hero and it's just feels like I don't know. He shouldn't be talking about him like this or.

>> Darin: Or what.

>> Mark Malkoff: But, yeah, I couldn't get Dave, even though he knows about the podcast, Bette Midler apparently, is says no to. One of our friends told me she says no. She either will say no to everything or eventually say no to everything. And she's just like. Even, like they were telling me, one of them was like, it's so hard being friends with her. You have to really want to be a friend with her because it's, like, not easy. And, I couldn't get her to do it. And that's what it is. I mean, truthfully, there's the people that I wanted. There's like one or two people that are not famous that internally worked on Carson's show that I would have picked over, that I. Dave would have been a good. I have a lot of questions for him. But for a lot of, like, the bigger names like Seinfeld or, like Bette Midler, I would rather go for, like, the. The staff members that were there for, like, you know, for 25, 30 years that the inside stories, those were the ones that usually the staffers are. The ones that I got the most emails from, from. From listeners that people loved were the people that usually were not famous or, you know, may someone like Peter La Salle, who, like, people. People working in entertainment might know him because he produced, Letterman and Craig Ferguson and Johnny Carson, Arthur Godfrey. And I think that the people that weren't famous sometimes had the best stories were the most captivated.

>> Darin: One of the, best episodes of Carson podcast, the one that I enjoyed was when you did a round table with the writers.

>> Mark Malkoff: Oh, yeah, we did a couple of those.

>> Darin: Yeah, yeah. And that one spoke to me because a couple years ago I was fortunate enough, I was invited to New York to go to Rupert G's retirement party.

>> Mark Malkoff: Oh, wow.

>> Darin: So I was at the Ed Sullivan Theater with all these writers and producers and. And I met all, these people, all these heroes of mine. It was like going to Letterman camp for me.

>> Mark Malkoff: No, of course I saw the photo. Sure.

>> Darin: Yeah. And then the next night, Mike Chisholm of the Letterman podcast, a mutual friend, invited me out to dinner and Libby and I went to dinner with. With Steve Young, Steve Weiner and Steve o'. Donnell. Okay. And so there's this moment.

>> Mark Malkoff: Heavy hitters, for sure.

>> Darin: Are you kidding? Yeah. There's this moment where I'm sitting there with these three Letterman writers and they're talking about, you know, Richard Klein and And George Carlin and the Smothers Brothers and this guy. And. And when this guy came out, and I'm trying to absorb everything I can possibly absorb, and I'm just. I'm trying not to get act giddy like a little kid, because I'm sitting there with these.

>> Mark Malkoff: I get it.

>> Darin: And I kept my cool.

>> Mark Malkoff: That's good.

>> Darin: You know. But then, another thing was, like, a couple years after that, Indianapolis, I went to see Steve Young, and he went out to dinner with my buddy Don and I, after his performance with the, bathtubs over Broadway, of course. So he went to dinner with us, and he's telling stories and telling these jokes, and I keep hearing it's like the voice of Letterman because he was one of the people who spoke for Letterman. It was almost like going out to dinner with Dave. Did you get that feeling when you were with the writers for Carson? Did you feel like. Like, did they say things that sounded like Johnny a little bit, Yeah.

>> Mark Malkoff: I mean, they sometimes, like. I mean, there's certain people there that just had his voice that knew it, that could go into it when they wanted to. I mean, these are. Some writers still have dreams that are all panic dreams where they're still. They have to wreck Carnax. And they would all tell me Johnny thought it was easy, but, the Carnax were, like, the hardest. they would tell me that Johnny had no idea how hard those were to get them. Right. yeah, I mean, I definitely think, like, Letterman has such a specific voice. I can see that. I remember the first time I met Steve o', Donnell. I was. No, I was incomplete. Oh, I think he was working on it. He was working on a game show for the History Channel. But really nice guys.

>> Darin: Oh, yeah.

>> Mark Malkoff: But definitely the people that were there back on the NBC show especially. I'm like, I have so many questions. I, reached out to Adam Resnick and asked him if he would do my podcast. And I. He's like, don't hate me, Mark. I. But I can't. But Adam did. I mean, most famous, probably cabin boy, but he. Him and Chris and get a life. But he was, on Dave's NBC, show, but he's writing another book right now, so he said maybe when he's promoting that he'll come on my podcast. But Adam's somebody who I really would get excited to talk to, that wrote for Dave, that was an intern, on the show. But, I definitely still feel the excitement when I get to talk to these people.


I remember being at a party with Steve Young and hearing about Dave

I remember you Know, like being at a party with Steve Young and just asking him, like, what were your favorite bits that you wrote for Dave? And just like the. What was it? The fat guy, strong guy, the geniuses, and him just telling me stories, like, his favorite bits. And. Yeah, I was like a little kid hearing. Hearing about, from him. Yeah. And just really nice guys.


Letterman writers say Johnny intentionally threw in jokes that bombed

>> Darin: Well, you were talking about Karnak with the writers, and you're. The joke that you used was Oxnard. What's the least appetizing piece of the ox?

>> Mark Malkoff: Yeah. Sometimes they would write sometimes like. Like 500 of those. And they would get them down to maybe 12 or something. And they. One of the head writers was telling me, that they just. Johnny was not. Did not. And I would say the Letterman writers felt the same, were not good at picking the jokes to do. They always thought, like, Johnny was not good with picking what he. But, you know, it's just what it is.

>> Darin: I had a theory, and Letterman talked about this with Peter Lasalle, after Johnny died, I thought that Johnny intentionally threw in jokes that bombed because. Because of how he carried himself after he would bomb. But everybody said that was not true.

>> Mark Malkoff: It's not true. No. Like, it's like, definitely. Like, people believe that. But no, I mean, he wanted this stuff to work. It was just the audiences back then were, Like, now they applaud after every monologue joke, no matter what. And just. It's. But it was like when the silences. I mean, definitely there were writers that, like Ray Siller, who's Johnny's, head writer, would get really excited and pray that a Karnak wouldn't work. So they would. Johnny would do one of their Karnak Savers, which was invented by Marshall Brickman. Like Maya May, a camel, whatever, to your neighbor, to your. I don't know, whatever it is, it's that example. But, yeah, they. Johnny was just a master at just getting through those. The awkwardness. I mean, I. Yeah. But they never, to my knowledge, ever wrote anything or he never picked anything that he thought would bomb. He might have. I'm not really sure. I mean, I just. It was so painful to be out there sometimes for him. Like, if it was a bad audience. Some nights, I mean, he just was able to get through it, but, barely sometimes.


Love Johnny Carson comes out October 21, two days before Carson's 100th birthday

>> Darin: So when does your book come out?

>> Mark Malkoff: October 21st. Two days before Johnny's 100th birthday. What would be his 100th birthday? And, It's called Love Johnny Carson. It's available for, Available for pre order. And the Reason it's called Love Johnny Carson is because, you know, I Talked to over 400 people and I can't tell you how many of the people, when I would sit down with them to record and be like, I love Johnny Carson. And it just was not the prevailing narrative that the media was putting out that it was all that this guy was cold and aloof, didn't have any friends, didn't talk to his staff. And there were periods where Johnny was going through divorces and other stuff where he definitely like retreated from the staff.

>> Darin: But, well, 20 some years of his life he was going through a divorce.

>> Mark Malkoff: Yeah, pretty much. But sitting down with so many of the staffers, hearing their stories with Johnny and I was shocked. I couldn't believe the number of people, the stories that came out that they loved this guy. And it's completely, you know, the people that were closest to him is friends with. And one of the wives was saying this as well. They'd say he was almost. He was the same Johnny if he was relaxed and with like people he was comfortable with off camera, he was the same Johnny on camera as he was off. Like almost the exact same person. And I would hear that from them. and I just, it's, it's completely what people do not think of, of him as. They think him as cold in the loop. And the self preservation comes in just because, like, I mean, I can't tell you how many people showed up at NBC with knives, got past security. Mark David Chapman, who assassinated, who killed John Lennon, had a list, a short list of celebrities to kill. that wasn't John Lennon. Johnny was on the list. I mean, it was like constant, wow, threats. People know that people went public. When he was here in New York, For the first 10 years, from 62 to 72, he'd be out in public and it's just tough because people would watch him every night and they thought, like, I'm friends with this guy. They would physically grab him by the arm and be like, johnny, come meet my friends. And you know, it's just people didn't understand that this guy, you know, that, you know, you're his TV friend, but he doesn't know who you are. And he just couldn't, he just couldn't go anywhere without people physically accosting him. And he just had to withdraw, just withdrew, just for self preservation. And also like, like, like an athlete, he would save his energy for Showtime. So like, like someone like Letterman would be there all day, whereas Johnny would be working at home on the show all day, but wouldn't show up until maybe like two or three hours beforehand and then just really pace himself. So if people saw him and he really wasn't like talking of a lot of. It was just. Especially when he was getting older, he just didn't have the energy. When he was doing like the three nights a week, he m. Just had to really pace himself and preserve his energy. He was very good at, preserving his energy. And when he did that show, like, I heard it from so many people, they said like sparks were flying off of him. I heard this with Letterman to, Madeleine Smithberg told me that like you could just feel this energy from Letterman. And it was very strange. Like people would tell me that, like, a couple people that said that they shook his hand. Carson during the show. It was like shaking hands with a nuclear reactor. I mean, it was like the energy that he had. George Lopez told me, he was telling me when he bought Johnny Carson's Rolex that, when he first put it on, he felt this bolt of energy. And he's like, I couldn't, I can't really explain it. I was like, it's like everybody I've talked to for, when. For that. That was. Yeah, I don't know. That was. It's definitely consistent. I thought that was interesting.

>> Darin: So you're talking about, you know, people say that the Carson you saw on camera was the Carson that they saw off camera. I've worked in local television for 32 years, and when people hear me, oh, you worked at that station. What's this Anchorage? What's the sports guy like with the people who you interviewed? Was there anybody who had a drastic off camera compared to on camera personality?

>> Mark Malkoff: I'm trying to think. I know what you're talking about. Not really. I mean, I think someone like Regis was Regis 100%. I had a day job at Millionaire, who Wants to Be a Millionaire? So like, he gave me like, I think two hours notice and I went to his apartment. But I'm trying to think. I know what you're saying. look, some of the comedians are kind of. Can be kind of serious. So I bet. I'm so used to that. But yet the people that like, were like David Steinberg, and people that knew him would say that he was the same Johnny, pretty much close. Yeah.


Some people took me years to convince. Some people took a while to get to

>> Darin: Well, back to Stephen Wright. I met him after one of his shows. He came to Cincinnati and I was so nervous come, like, if he's not what I'm expecting, if He's a jerk. I'm gonna be so disappointed. And even, like, even if he's kinda jumpy. Ah, then I might be disappointed. But he's exactly what I was hoping.

>> Mark Malkoff: He's super nice, just a quirky guy. Yeah, nice, nice, funny man.

>> Darin: He was getting really lively talking with you and kinda you. He actually got excited.

>> Mark Malkoff: Yeah, he got emotional. There are a bunch of people like that. So people were crying to me and stuff. But like, yeah, I couldn't believe he agreed to do it. He told me afterwards, or maybe even that normally these things take months to set up. Even if they do are set up with him and he just wanted to do it. And it was Carson and that was like, you know, even, on the anniversary of his Carson debut every year, he still calls Peter La Salle, who the producer, thanking him for getting him the book in. And when Steven Wright won an Oscar for best Short Film, he thanked Johnny Carson and thanked Peter, on the speech. So, yeah, it definitely is one of those things where I think this was like for some of these people at the best time of their life going on the show and just the moments and just the emotion that was there.

>> Darin: Yeah. You asked him who he thought had the most powerful stand up debut and he said exactly who. What I was thinking was Drew Carey. And you got to interview Drew Carey too.

>> Mark Malkoff: And it took me, some of these people took me years to convince. I mean, I emailed Drew Carey, for a couple of years and I think the one that got him finally was I mentioned, you know, I talked to Stephen, right. And I asked him who had the best set, the strongest. And you mentioned you. And then, I don't know, like a couple of weeks later I was at the Price is Right at CBS Television City in between tapings, sitting down with him. And he couldn't have been nicer. But yeah, a lot of these people just are so busy and I think like a lot of the, I just. Some of them took like Angie Dickinson, I think, look like maybe six years, five years. Some people took a while to get to. I would just check in like maybe once or twice a year politely and say maybe why they should do it and who just did it. Maybe listen to this episode.

>> Darin: But, yeah, well, you would. Okay, we, that's, we're, we're taking notes.

>> Mike: On what we need to do.

>> Darin: We're totally taking notes here. Oh, we reached out to Nick Offer and he famously turned down doing Irritable Dad Syndrome. And that was the last time. So our strategy, we should Contact him again.

>> Mark Malkoff: Yeah, yeah.

>> Mike: So our strategy so far is to put celebrity name@yahoo.com.

>> Mark Malkoff: It works sometimes. It really does work sometimes. Shockingly, guessing the emails have worked for me many times, and I'm always like, I can't believe this, but I don't believe you.

>> Darin: Who did you guess an email that worked?

>> Mark Malkoff: I'll tell you afterwards. But a lot of times it's, it's.

>> Darin: Well, you don't have to give me their email, but, no, but a lot of times, A lot of times it's in Harrisonford.

>> Mike: He would be an AOL guy.

>> Darin: Romano.

>> Mark Malkoff: Yeah. I don't know. So I just, I reached out to people just any possible way, but for some of these people, it's like, you know, they, they want. If it's, if it's like they're plugging something or like, I would be sometimes when I'd reach out and me like, I want to talk about your, I'd be so specific. Your seven Carson appearances and then like very specific things so they could tell that I had some knowledge and I wasn't going to do a cookie cutter interview with everything they've ever talked about. So I try to just be really specific and then just check in every so often.

>> Darin: Yeah.

>> Mike: So at what point. So now I'm curious. At what point do you quit? Is there anybody that you've just stopped? I'm stopping trying. I've emailed him so many times. I've called so many times.

>> Mark Malkoff: I think, like, like doing Dave Letterman, I'm just like, it's not gonna happen probably. And that's fine. I don't care either way. I mean, I would love to talk to him. I just don't. The last thing I would want to do is make somebody like to talk to me that doesn't want to. I mean.

>> Darin: Right.

>> Mark Malkoff: I think it would go well. I mean, I know when he did the late shift interview with Bill Carter for the book, it was like 20 minutes he gave. He's like, they only give you. They ended up talking for hours and hours. And that's a lot of times with, with Letterman. But, yeah, like Bette Midler. I mean, I just, I, I, I, this whole pod, Johnny Carson thing podcast was for me just to get my questions answered. I want to know how the magic tricks were done, what went on backstage, how everything was put together. and I feel like I got my questions answered. for Inside Late Night. I mean, I'll still, I guess maybe even though Lorne Michaels was pro, would probably be the, the guy. Well, he would be the guy I'd want to talk to. And it just did hard. Probably, you know, still check in it. That can't hurt once a year or so just to check in and why not? But he would definitely be the guy. But I, I always, with everything, like, anything is possible. I really feel like if I ran into Tom Hanks in Central park and told him what I was doing with Carson. He loves Carson. And not only, like, talk about like Ed Shaughnessy, the drummer, like, like very specific.


Mark Malkoff interviewed former Johnny Carson talent coordinator for Inside Late Night podcast

And I was like, listen, you're walking in the park. I have my iPhone. Can I have five minutes? That, he might do it? Who knows? I was also not mentioning any names, but ghosted by some people. Like well known. Few well known people said they were going to do the podcast. And we had the time and the date and I did all my hours of research. it's just what it is. It's part of the process, as they say. but yeah, Letterman would have been fun. I talked to a former Johnny Carson, talent coordinator who worked on the Dennis Holy show, which was out of, I think Cincinnati. And that was back in like the 60s, early 70s, and like Albert Brooks and all these people, back in the day, which I thought was really cool, hearing the stories. But that was before Letterman's time.

>> Darin: But didn't you. You interviewed the guy that opened the curtain for Johnny? I did.

>> Mark Malkoff: That was my, my whole curiosity.

>> Darin: I love that.

>> Mark Malkoff: When I started the podcast, it was part of, it was like, who. That's how my mind was working. I'm like, who is the guy who has the job? What are his stories? And Johnny's nephew, Jeff Satsing, who's the CEO of president of Carson Entertainment Group, told me who the person was and I was able to track him down and go to his home. We've talked to him on the phone a couple times and Irv Davis. And like, I just, I wanted to know what it was like. And I just was like pretty convinced just working with comedians sometimes and like that like Johnny would be very. Just because I think Letterman is like this backstage just very much. Just like he needs and rightfully so, I get to be left alone and just be really, not talk to anybody. But Johnny would be joking around with him. Like, people would tell me that backstage Johnny would be just hanging out with Irv Davis, joking, smoking a cigarette, just like, like completely casual. Didn't need like that, those minutes of silence to get, you know, focused and he, you know, he could just, you know, walk out there and do it. And I thought that that was really cool.

>> Darin: That's awesome. Yeah, that's awesome. The Carson podcast is still available readily online. After you're done listening to this episode, go and listen to every episode of that and then check out the Late Nighter podcast. Podcast. How much fun is it doing that one?

>> Mark Malkoff: Inside Late Night's been amazing. I love what Late Nighter is doing.

>> Darin: I'm sorry I called it Late Nighter. It's Inside Late. Your, Your website.

>> Mark Malkoff: Oh, yeah, yeah. it's, it's Inside Late Night with Mark Malkoff, as part of Late Nighter. But, yeah, it's great. we're in hiatus right now and we're going to come back with a new season in the end of September. And, yeah, I love talking to the people that have just those stories, you know, of working on all the shows. I do really like talking about Saturday Night Live because I feel like it's probably my biggest knowledge other than Carson. So the snl. I do, especially like Letterman, stories for sure as well. I always love just sitting down with somebody and just hearing the stories and just being able to ask whatever I want.


Mike and Larry talk about all your previous stunts

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>> Darin: In preparation for this appearance, I found out about all your previous stunts.

>> Mark Malkoff: Oh, gosh, yeah, that did happen. They all happened. Yeah, somebody did a Wikipedia entry on me. I don't know who did it.

>> Darin: They were phenomenal. They were not sigh worthy. Like, what? You just gave me that sigh, dude.

>> Mark Malkoff: I was just like, embarrassing. Maybe just because I'm like older now and stuff. Not. They're not all embarrassing, but like, it's like, it feels like. It's like a guy who feels like a different person did that stuff. I did these comedy videos. I used to do stand up back in the day. Then I did these comedy videos and, I made my living doing them for quite a while and had sponsors and stuff. But yeah, we'll talk about any of them that you want. But they did happen. Some of them, a lot of them were extremely difficult to pull Off.

>> Darin: Well, yeah, the. How many people carried you across? New York City was a good one, bringing those.

>> Mark Malkoff: I was like, I carried, I think like, like 13 miles by 152 people in 11 degree weather was the coldest day of the year. And but it was like the whole thing was like, my curiosity was like, I would just hear people that had never been to New York being like, I heard New Yorkers are rude. And I'm like, I think New Yorkers are like some of the most, like, they're just honest and blunt, but like, my whole theory was like, if I asked New Yorkers to carry me a stranger, that they would do it and did not hesitate because they're used to weird stuff like that. And that's exactly what happened. And, that was just painful because it was 11 degrees and I got contorted in different ways. But I had men carry me, women, senior citizens. I, yes, believe they just go.

>> Mike: As long as they could and hand.

>> Mark Malkoff: You off to the next person pretty much. And then like, then I like, they would just set me down and I couldn't. The rule is I couldn't move forward unless I got convinced somebody else to carry me up. So, yeah, I started the southernmost end of Manhattan, worked my way up to like forget. But yeah, it was I was in pain for days.

>> Darin: I'm telling you, that is a Conan worthy stunt.

>> Mark Malkoff: Oh, that's nice. Yeah, it is one of those things where like I did it and then, Anderson Cooper had me on his show. and they had. He interviewed me in a studio while a stagehand took turns, carrying me. It happens.

>> Darin: Mike and I, one of our jokes is when we have a guest on, we asks, where do you get your ideas as a. Because of the guy, the co host on Norm MacDonald's.

>> Mark Malkoff: Oh, yeah, yeah, Adam Egan. It was always so funny when he would do that.

>> Darin: You know, honest to God. I was wondering, where did you figure that out? How did you come about asking for keys to the city? Your mind baffles me.

>> Mark Malkoff: Oh, that's nice. I just. Curiosity. That's it. Like, I love asking for ridiculous things and to see if I can pull the stuff off. And it just, I don't know. I would like, just ask hypothetically. I would like to friends, I'm like, do you think this would. People would do this? And a lot of times people like, there's no way. And I'm like, I think I can pull it off. I'm pretty good with my persistence and convincing, with positive things. But it was just like. I don't know. I would just always write down stuff that amused me, stuff that. The concepts that I thought were funny. And then usually maybe like, I don't know, wait like a week or two and go back. And some would just, like, stand out. But I rejected most of them and some of them were kind of dangerous. So Christine would occasionally have to say no to those. But,

>> Darin: Okay, what did you turn down?

>> Mark Malkoff: I think one of them was. I had one of them. I was gonna, like, shit myself overseas legally or something like that. I was. I was. I was. That was not good.

>> Mike: Questions. Is it illegal to yourself in some countries?

>> Mark Malkoff: Ship, ship, ship. Mail myself overseas.

>> Mike: I was like, I could go somewhere right now.

>> Mark Malkoff: so, yeah, I think you would.

>> Darin: Doing that. Yeah.

>> Mark Malkoff: I remember at one point when I.


You hold the Guinness World Record for most flights

The tourism board of the Netherlands had me go to Amsterdam and I wanted to tie myself to a windmill and do something that they were like, they wisely. And Christine would have been like, no. But they were like, safety. And I was like, come on, it'll be fun. What could possibly go wrong? So, yeah, some of those were, intense. The Starbucks one was the hardest one. That was 171 Starbucks, where I went to every single. I wanted to see if it was possible all the stores in Manhattan in less than 24 hours make a purchase to consume something. All 171 stores at the time. And that was. I had to go to a store every eight minutes for 23 hours straight. And I was like, freaking mess.

>> Darin: And then you had to get a kidney transplant.

>> Mark Malkoff: I had to train on a bicycle for months because. And get a director and a camera person that were bike proficient. And it was just, The thing was logistically so difficult. And like, we tried it once with a car and it didn't work. And then I had to buy a bicycle in Kmart and just train. And that was rough. And I was in pain for days on, that one. But that. Yeah, I think it did well. People liked that one at the time. Was a long time ago.

>> Darin: Do you still hold the world record? The Guinness World Record for most flights.

>> Mark Malkoff: Now, somebody in Japan, I heard, recently, or like the last couple of years, broke my Guinness World Record. I held it for a long time. 2009, until a couple of years ago. But, yeah, that was the reason I did that. I had the most flights, airplane flights, scheduled flights was 135, right? Something like that. Yeah. I had a genuine fear of flying. And I thought the only way that I'd be Able to really get over it was to force myself to fly over and over again. So I. I did it. I lived on a commercial airplane for an entire month. And I didn't. I slept on the plane. People get on and off, and I stayed there. I slept. Yeah, slept on the plane. So I didn't go into public for a month. And the airline was part of this. They sponsored it. And, I was like 150 some. I think 130. I forget what it was, but it was a lot. And all the pilots wanted to meet me and talk to me and talk me through my fear, and it was really helpful to get over it, and it really did help, so.

>> Darin: But yeah, I have a fear of needles, but I'm not going to get 135 shots in a row.

>> Mark Malkoff: yeah, no, I get that. I do get that.


J.J. abrams was the first guest on the Letterman podcast

>> Darin: Can we go back and talk a little bit about Fred Willard?

>> Mark Malkoff: Yeah. He was a delightful man.

>> Darin: He's never been a guest on this show, but we have used his sound bite of hey, what happened? A thousand times. And I'm wondering, maybe Fred Willard's people are going to sue us. Possibly. But we take this approach on this podcast, especially when we have a guest, is I try to do as much research as I possibly can. And Bike does zero research.

>> Mike: I do nothing.

>> Darin: It works here, just like on Best in Show. But Fred.

>> Mike: So for. For me, for the first 20 minutes of this episode, I'm like, is this one of the guys from college humor? I'm not really sure. I was gonna say something, but then I'm like, no, that's not him. But then I saw you have a question about, J.J. abrams.

>> Darin: I saw a panel of a couple of people speaking with Steven Spielberg, and I thought it was you, but it was actually J.J. abrams.

>> Mark Malkoff: Oh, wow. J.J. abrams. He drew a photo. He drew a picture for me, like a self portrait. I have it somewhere around here. I got to meet him and he was really nice. But, yeah, I didn't know.

>> Darin: Did you have your photo taken together? Because you guys look like twins.

>> Mark Malkoff: We did. We did a photo. I was a big loss fan, and then I had him draw sometimes I would have that, like. Like, I mean, back in the day, when I was a teenager, like, Phil Hartman. I have a self portrait that he drew, himself. And, yeah, certain Conan drew me a Conan back in the day.

>> Darin: You're kidding.

>> Mark Malkoff: No. I'm trying to think. I don't think I have any accessible right now, but, like, yeah, the Chris Farley drew me a Drawing? yeah, just ask people if they would draw themselves for me and Sonic and stuff.

>> Darin: I've got to write all this down.

>> Mark Malkoff: Well, Chris Elliot was really a good one. It looked like Chris Elliot when he did that for me. But, Fred Willard was like the nicest guy. He was on the Carson podcast because the Ace Trucking company went on a lot. And then I met him once at, a party with mutual friends and him and his wife, just delightful people. Really nice man.

>> Dave: You're listening to Irritable Dad Syndrome. Perfect for the air fryer.

>> Darin: When we were on the Letterman podcast. And by the way, I feel bad because, when I was on the Letterman podcast, I was the first guest on the Letterman podcast. So Mike Chisholm had reached out to me and we recorded the interview. And before we ended, I said, you know what? I am m so flattered to be your first guest. And I said it as a joke, right? Because he had recorded three or four. And since I said that, I think he felt obligated. And then he. And then he made me his first guest. And so, I thought that the Letterman podcast is going to be this little dog and pony podcast with fans of the show and whatever. And then within two or three weeks, you come on and I'm like, I'm like, holy crap. Yeah. Why was I the first guest when he was getting powerhouse people?

>> Mark Malkoff: Like, Mike does a great job. I was nice that he asked me. I. That's like another thing. Like, I. People, are nice sometimes to have me on things, but, like, no, very few people would ever ask me about Letterman. and I love talking about it. And that was, such a cool thing to talk to Mike just for, a while, just about my experience at Letterman. And, that was a. That place was, it was. So, I mean, I said, Dave's first taping at CBS on October, on, 8-30-93. I went to the NBC show five times as a teenager to be in the audience. So, like, to work there was like, such a big deal. I mean, Peter and I bet. Yeah.

>> Darin: Well, I started my TV career, about a week or so before Letterman came on cbs. And so my first day this is at WJHL tv, Johnson City, Tennessee. I walk in and they're taking me around the studio and the back rooms and everything. I'm walking through Master Control and there's this live feed of Letterman doing all his affiliate reads right here on Weyi TV 25. And by about 10 minutes into it, he is done. I mean, he is at it, I bet, you know.

>> Mark Malkoff: Yeah, he doesn't normally do those things ever.

>> Darin: Well, he was doing all that for cbs, you know, new show and everything like that. And so I really felt like, holy crap, I am in the business. I am seeing this. That David Letterman is doing.

>> Mark Malkoff: Yeah.

>> Darin: That nobody else sees on the feed.

>> Mark Malkoff: It's a big deal. Yeah. I thought.

>> Darin: I'm, just hot stuff.

>> Mark Malkoff: Yeah, no, it's. It was really cool, like, being at the show and, in, like, the conference room, like, watching rehearsal. Like, I wasn't allowed to be there for rehearsal only, certain people were.


Dave: The NBC show is just amazing. It's amazing how that thing holds up

But then, like, for the show, I was allowed to be in the studio, which, most people weren't. So that was good. I was in the audience department, so I had an office on the eighth floor, and then I could go down. But, Dave, I still think, like, in terms of, like, the NBC show is just. It's amazing how that thing holds up. It's. Yeah, I think that that's, like, the funniest. The couple. First couple years of cbs, for sure.


Mark: Can you tell me about a night that you killed and then bombed

>> Darin: So when we were on Mike Chisholm's show, you were talking about that you've done stand up or you haven't done stand up in a while.

>> Mark Malkoff: Yeah.

>> Darin: Can you tell me about a night that you killed and then tell me about a night that you bombed.

>> Mark Malkoff: Yeah, like, I remember just, like, going up on, like, a Gotham Comedy club back in the day, and it was just like. I think it was one of those things. I just didn't care. And I was just, like, in a bad mood and it just worked. The energy worked for the audience, and it's, like, got off stage and all the comics coming up to me and being just freaking out and that energy. And then I just was not consistent, I don't think. I just. For whatever reason, I had pretty bad, stage fright back then in terms of. I would hyperventilate on stage and shake sometimes with my hands.

>> Darin: Oh, I used to do that. I. I couldn't hold the microphone still, so I. I would keep it. Yeah, I would keep it in the mic stand.

>> Mark Malkoff: Yeah, I had some tough times, so I think that, like, was tough. some people are able to use that. Those nerves and stuff. I just. And then, like, the eating it, just, you know, I just. It would happen like a Boston comedy club. Numerous times. I killed num. Numerous times. Just going up there and just like, it's the most painful thing, at least like, in a sketch group, which I was in a sketch group, like, you can at least make m. like be with other people and share that together going down in the, in the ship. But dang, I mean, the thing is, is like I've seen so many famous people bomb just turn on new material or whatever and it's just like, it's part of the process. I just really wish when I started out that I would know I knew a little bit more, about that. I knew that I knew a little bit. But to the extent of of how. Just to get to that really funny five minutes. What that takes for most people.

>> Darin: Yeah. Well, cool. Mark, this has been a thrill.

>> Mark Malkoff: Oh, thanks. Thank you for asking me. I'm so much more comfortable doing the other way around. I always think I'm a terrible guest, but thank you. Oh no, you're my self esteem.


Your message was with perseverance and asking, miraculous things can happen

>> Darin: I wanted to mention m. One other thing. I was impressed by this you did. it was either motivational speaking or, I don't know, the group that you were talking to, but your message was with perseverance and asking, miraculous things can happen. And I was like really impressed with that because you were talking about how difficult it was to do the IKEA thing and to do the flight and to do the. All these things that people thought were silly but you know, they didn't really know all, the. Everything that went into doing it. And so it was just like, you know, hey, kids, keep working hard. And I don't, A lot of people don't, don't try to convey that message anymore. But I applaud you for that.

>> Mark Malkoff: I really appreciate it. I did a TedX and then I did. I think, I think you're talking about maybe ignite. And that was like, oh my. I was so nervous because like, I hadn't been in front of a live audience in years and I didn't think I could do it. But I just like spent days and days on that thing rehearsing. So I knew every syllable and it was like just neurologically in my body. And the response was amazing. I couldn't believe it. But yeah, that's always been like my thing, has been just trying to, be politely persistent and postal stuff off that like that. People told me there's no way you're going to be able to do this right. Some of the stuff you just never know. Power of asking I definitely think is, And like sometimes I just don't listen to my own advice. I did a podcast for a while, called Persistence360. I talked to some, like the most in all different fields and stuff with people pulling off just like things that people didn't think were be pull off and some of the stuff and that I need to go back and I think listen to that podcast. But I do appreciate you mentioning that talk that I did.

>> Darin: Yeah, it was great. It was a great message.


Love Johnny Carson comes out October 21st and is available for pre-order

Well, before we go, tell people again how they can get your book.

>> Mark Malkoff: Okay, so, Love Johnny Carson is currently available for pre order and that would help me out big time. It's available on everywhere from Amazon to Barnes and noble.com target, Walmart books, a million, local bookstores, anywhere. It comes out October 21st and I talked to over 400 people. It's Johnny Carson, the Tonight show, the guest, the highs, the lows, a lot of stuff that's never been talked about and can't believe. I mean the guy was, as a lot of people say, the most famous man in America for 30 years. Just number one. And there's a reason that he was able to, to sustain that. And we go with that in the book. And I do, I do feel, because I've read pretty much every Johnny Carson book, I do think that this is the most accurate portrayal of Carson talking to his friends and the people that knew him and the co workers. I feel like Ed McMahon just like really laid on like, I don't know, a little too hard on building up Johnny where I don't know, it just every. And then you had a lot of negative books from like a few people that just had problems with him. But I feel like that this is a good balance of who the guy was and overwhelmingly it's positive. I mean that's the portrayal I got from talking to people, overwhelmingly. And there are a few detractors that wouldn't talk to me. I tried to talk to. I can only think of three or four people had a problem with them and none of them would talk to me. And that's fine. But I wanted to just be as neutral as I could and just to tell what really happened with Joan Rivers and Johnny because it's never been told before. And I talked to all these people that were there in the trenches and to hear the stories of what really happened, is like. And to tell that story, I think hopefully people will Yeah, that will be something that people will enjoy.

>> Darin: Well, good. And your book is going to make the perfect stocking stuffer. If you have a stocking able to hold a book.

>> Mark Malkoff: I hope so. Father's Day. Ah, Christmas, Hanukkah.

>> Darin: It's a perfect Hanukkah present.

>> Mark Malkoff: Anything? Yeah, it's. I can't believe the thing's coming out. It's, It's for real. We had some really nice blurbs. Dick Cav. I really liked the book. Ray Romano wrote good stuff about it. so good.

>> Darin: I wish you all the luck. And, gentlemen, I hope you come back on Irritable Dad Syndrome sometime. We loved having you.

>> Mark Malkoff: Oh, my goodness, it'd be an honor. Thank you just for even thinking of me and asking.

>> Darin: And.

>> Mark Malkoff: Yeah, you guys do a great job. So I really appreciate that.

>> Darin: Well, good. Yeah. But, yeah, thank you again for being on the show. And listen, for everybody out there in Irritable Dad Syndrome land, you can go to irritable dad syndrome.com if you want to. If you want to help us out, you can support us. You can go to Patreon and help us out. You can buy stuff you can like and share all our videos. We're on. We're everywhere.

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>> Darin: That's true. Yeah. Yeah. We're almost at five years, and we wouldn't be here without the love and support of all of our loyal fans. And we thank you so much, and we hope to see you next week on Irritable Dad Syndrome.

>> Dave: Irritable dad Syndrome is a Mike Odle Darren Cox production.


Tony Randall interviewed Mike Chisholm for the podcast last week

>> Darin: So I'm gonna edit out that awkward pause to make it appear that I knew what I was talking about, and I was very nervous. I'm like, I can't. I reached out to Mike Chisholm. Like, I can't ask him to do the podcast. I'm scared. He goes, oh, gosh.

>> Mark Malkoff: Wow, that's nice. you know, I really appreciate your kind words.

>> Mike: I wasn't scared. Now I'm terrified.

>> Mark Malkoff: I know I'm very scary.

>> Mike: Every once in a while, I have an existential crisis thing that happens during the podcast, and I kind of pull out of it, and I'm watching. So this is the episode where I'm just watching the episode happen.

>> Darin: Okay.

>> Mike: And I realized part of the way, like, I think it was like, 20 minutes in. It's like, I. I have a question or two. I cool. If I run this podcast, I can ask a question. And then I realized I'm on the podcast. I'm right there. I could see myself. I just speak the question into there. It's weird. I don't know what the hell happens every once in a while when we have a guest. part of it is where Bess just told me right before we came downstairs. your. Your interview last week was great. Maybe, Mike, you should shut up every once in a while and let them talk.

>> Mark Malkoff: So that.

>> Mike: That was. That was in the talking.

>> Mark Malkoff: Yeah. Yeah.

>> Darin: We're happy to be your Tony Randall, if you ever.

>> Mark Malkoff: Thank you.

>> Darin: Cannot find anybody else.

>> Mark Malkoff: We'll see.

>> Darin: Give us a call.

>> Mark Malkoff: Yeah, we. We shall see.


Mark Malkoff is a comedian and filmmaker

>> Darin: we've now reached the part of the podcast where we're talking to people who have seen some Saturday Night Live.

>> Mark Malkoff: Yes. Hey, it's all good. Comedian and filmmaker Mark Malkoff. Mark Malkoff.

>> Darin: Mark Malkoff.

>> Mark Malkoff: Mark Malkoff. Mark Malkoff. Malkoff. Malkoff. Mark Malkoff. Mark Malkoff.

>> Darin: Mark Malkoff. Mark, Welcome.