26. Rick Crawford - Firefighter, Entrepreneur and Dad

"Resilience is moving forward, pushing through the ups, the downs and the bad, and keeping in the back of your mind that you’ll figure this out.”

This is a story from a Dad's point of view. Firefighter and entrepreneur, Rick and his wife Keira, their daughter, Thea, and son Alexander have been through a challenging journey together. At 15 years old, Thea knew she had cancer before anyone else in her family realized it; it is impossible to imagine how that must have felt for her. Her path since is a testament to her courage. The family pulled together and moved forward through it all. Each person did their part and demonstrated the strength and resilience that is all part of being a Crawford.   

More on Ford Keast Human Resources can be found here: https://www.fordkeast.com/services/hu...
& for all podcast and YouTube information visit our website: https://www.career-resilience.com/
 
If you enjoyed this podcast or our YouTube video and need support in your own career resilience please do get in contact with Jann at HR@fordkeasthrc.ca 
We would love to hear from you!
Want to show your support? Subscribe and leave a review! It means a lot! 
 
Thank you
Jann Danyluk, Career Resilience.

Transcript

 | 00:06 | Hello and welcome to our series Career Experience. We talk with people about their career path and their career journey. Maybe we can all learn from each other. My name is Jann Danyluk and I'm a human resources professional in London, Ontario, Canada. I work with four kids and I work with my clients to help them with the outside of their business.

 | 00:30 | We hope that you will enjoy these discussions with real people about real challenges and real working life situations. Welcome. My guest today is Rick Crawford. Welcome, Rick. So good to see you. Oh, great to see you, too. John, good evening. Thanks for joining me. We have quite a list of topics to talk about tonight, including your role as a firefighter and your role as an entrepreneur and owning your own business.

 | 00:58 | But a big focus of our discussion is going to be about your daughter day and the things that you and your family have gone through with that. So that is our plan. Thanks for being open to chat with me about all those things. So let us start with work. Let's start with your role as a firefighter. What is your thought about career resilience when it comes to being a firefighter? Well, that's definitely changed over the years.

 | 01:30 | When I first started, we didn't live in such a politically correct world. And it was it was a very, very tough time. And I had a tough go when I first started. I didn't play hockey. I didn't play rugby, I didn't play football. I was a cross-country runner and a basketball player. And these were unacceptable things in their little niche of the world. So as soon as you started there, they found every little nook and cranny they could find.

 | 01:58 | It was basically literally your old boys club. There was no women. There was one minority. It was it was a much different world. You had a very, very thick skin, that's for certain. If you had been a hockey player, that would have been different, would have changed the entire script because you played hockey up. So you understood the world.

 | 02:22 | You because you had a history playing hockey and you would they felt you understood the world of what it took to be a brother and to be a firefighter and to share that type of work experience as a team when you're in life threatening situations on a semi regular basis. Yeah, it was an interesting and it took a long time to win people over. It was it was a tough go. It was I almost gave it up a couple of times. And when I first started, I got hired by East York, which most people probably won't even know what that is.

 | 02:51 | And we got amalgamated by Toronto two and a half years in. And I left East Europe as soon as I could. It had three halls and no opportunity, no experience, nothing to do except that little pocket of people. And I left quickly and got myself a different position, different role and a much larger area of the city. And that's when things turned for me. I'm like, all right, I found my place. I my group more confidence, a little more.

 | 03:21 | And I got home when I was twenty six. So pretty young to be thrust into that role. Isn't it really tough to become a firefighter? So they tell me certainly was. When I started I applied at a number of places and you started to realize you're on a bit of a tour to the same faces of these arenas of people. Three thousand people writing this test for 40 spots or 50 spots. So you saw the same people over and over again.

 | 03:47 | Eventually I got hired by East augh took they took two and a half, three years, I guess. And I obviously was working elsewhere to make a living. And then when the call came up, yeah, I think I'll take that challenge. It was in my blood. I grew up on the far all the volunteer hall. Yeah. Where I grew up. So what is your favorite aspect then of being a firefighter? Well, that happened about oh, years go by.

 | 04:17 | Four or five years ago, I got promoted and I became an acting captain. And funnily enough, my old business partner, I've known him almost as long as I've been a firefighter. He's always called me captain. And I think that's sort of my personality. Maybe. Why do you all guys at first when I was twenty six, there was too much of a captain too early. But as soon as I became an acting captain, I really gravitated to that role and I have loved it ever since.

 | 04:45 | I really, really enjoy I'll be a full captain and probably in a couple of months I'm coming up for full promotion and I'm excited. But I really like the job and I really like the interaction I have with the other crew now and I really love going to work now. A few years ago, I didn't like it now every day. So I used like, oh, I can't wait to retire like. Oh, it's only four years away, it's coming back, but I love naturalizations on those moves. Congrats. It's fun.

 | 05:15 | And I got myself transferred to the local fire hall. So as I will tomorrow morning when I walk to work and I walk home and when I run calls, I'm in my own community. I see people I know I help, people I know. And the kids, my kids walk up with the dog and they say hi and I really love my work environment now. So can you tell us an example of, like a harrowing experience you've had as a firefighter?

 | 05:44 | Harrowing, certainly seen a lot of stuff that would make a lot of people's stomachs go a long time ago we were first in we had a working fire with news, working fire left the hall. You could see the smoke and you could tell by the calls coming in and it was working. We pull out on the Laird Avenue in Toronto and it's an old Quonset hut type of building like a garage. So and like 30, 40 years old.

 | 06:12 | So it's full of the walls and the rafters are coated with oils and gases and stuff. And it's wood. So it's rolling. And they we get up there and it's pumping out through the front door. And we felt they felt one of the young workers was still inside in the back and we made entry into it as a crew. It was extremely hot already. We got probably 30, 40 feet into it and it's rolling over our heads.

 | 06:42 | The planes are overhead, lights are popping, tires are exploding, and things are going off or crawling on our hands and knees. We get in there really deep and all of a sudden the hose goes dead. We've got no water, nothing. And then all of a sudden the whole thing roll over top is going to roll over flashover. We luckily we had our hoods on. We're down flat on the ground and it rolled right over top of us, melted our helmets, singed the back of our coats, melt.

 | 07:11 | It was very, very, very, very hot. And that was that was good. So luckily, the crew out in the street was able to figure out what was going on, why we lost pressure. And that happens a lot. And trying to hold old hydrants or sewer systems, rocks get rock stuck in there. And luckily, the goddess water back quick and we're able to get the water going again. So obviously reduces the heat and we were OK. And we get to a thing.

 | 07:40 | We find out the young lad had skipped out the back door before we even got on scene. That's very funny. So, Rick, when you say working fire that means it's a fire. That means business. Yeah. Yeah, that's gotten OK. That's OK. Yeah, that's serious business because it's not especially nowadays with the combustibles and the heat of fire. It is much different than it was 40 years ago and everything was made out of wood and wool and stuff like that.

 | 08:13 | Now it's all plastics and its burns fast and hot, quick, different fighting fires, a lot different nowadays. And it was years ago. Yeah, OK, you know what? To be so many questions to ask you about that. But I think we're going to move on to talking about your other life as a business owner. So what made you decide to also become a business owner? Wasn't firefighting enough for you? Oh, that's a good question.

 | 08:41 | So when I first started on the fire department, I was already working another full time job making. Three times what I would what I made when I became a firefighter, so I went from making a lot of money as a young twenty six year old to making not much at all. So I remember sitting around the table at the bar. Oh, what am I going to do? I had this girlfriend at the time who is came from a family of money and there was expectations.

 | 09:11 | And I'm like, oh no, we can't afford. We got trips planned and I'm in trouble here is not good. So I'm like, what can I do? That requires very little skill set, very little overhead and lots of opportunity. And I can utilize my skills that I've learned to be a firefighter and what I've done in the past, and it was window cleaning, so I got at the time my roommate mentioned him, he's like, oh, I ran a window cleaning company when I was a university.

 | 09:42 | Well, that's great. Well, here's a list of things to buy. I'll teach you how to clean the windows on the front porch of our house. So I did that and he says get some flyers printed up, which was a big deal back then. You didn't just throw in the Internet, didn't exist. And I got my Honda Civic, Honda Civic and I had all these ladders strapped on top of it. And I literally went door to door and I built a big, huge client list and I did that for 10 years.

 | 10:08 | So it wasn't really about money because I, I knew in my mind that firefighting wasn't going to provide me and my family what I wanted to accomplish in life. And it was not about greed. I'm not a crazy person. It's never been about that. It's about doing things. And you live in Toronto. Things cost money and firefighting. And I never complain and never once complain about what the city pays me and how we're compensated. I think it's all fair.

 | 10:38 | No harm to that. But I realized I wanted more. So I was single at the time and firefighting, the way our shifts work gives you lots of time off. And I had lots of time off and I was young and fit. And so that's when I started the winning ticket. And then you decided to get into junk removal. What's the name of your company? One eight hundred rid of it. OK, and I looked at it says the slogan is We clear the way so you don't have to.

 | 11:09 | But that's right. Got the slogan, no, I don't. I have certain skill sets in life. And that's one thing I recognize. I'm not creative. I'm not I don't think in that mindset I'm a doer. I'm an operations person. So creativity and all that type of stuff, that's not my forte. I hate that part of that team with the company. And I paid for the rest of it. They do all that stuff. I mean, OK, great. That's a slogan.

 | 11:38 | It's a great slogan. Thank you. So you have your team found anything fabulous in the junk? Huh? Well, luckily, we've been successful over the years, so I don't work in the trucks as much as I used to, thankfully, and I'm a little older now, so it's nice not to be in the trucks. But over the years, there's certainly lots of stuff where once about three or four years, Matt guy, I just give him another guy, preclear, a partner and the fellows at all. My brother passed away. I don't want anything.

 | 12:08 | This place, all bad memories or whatever. You sure you don't want anything? We're fine, yeah. So there was several, several area rugs. Thank you. And they are rolling the area rugs up to throw into the truck. And as they roll each area rug up, they realized there was money taped to the bottom of the mat, all of them. And it had been there for they have no idea how long it in there had been there.

 | 12:39 | So it was a hoarder. The place is covered with is full to the rafters. So the client was nice enough to say, you know what, I don't want to you keep it and you let the guys keep all the money. So that was an interesting thing. The guys found it. And a nice story about a nice person as well. So, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hoarder's, that's a whole other thing. Oh, yeah. I wanted to switch over to talking about you as a dad and the experiences that you've had with your daughter.

 | 13:11 | And my understanding is that at 15 years old, she was diagnosed with stage four Hodgkin's lymphoma. That's correct. Can you take me a little bit through the story of how you found out that that was the case? That was horrible. So for a couple of months before that and to put it in context, the same time, she's full time high school student.

 | 13:42 | She is racing downhill ski racing and pretty good at it. You know, we're not going to do anything, but she's a very good athlete, swims, was swimming competitively and didn't do nasty and very accurate. And she been lazing around a bunch. And we thought, I'll just be in 15 and get out of bed and get going and stuff. And then she started having some trouble breathing. And so we took her to the doctor twice, actually, and they listen to her lungs and the guy.
 | 14:15 | You're OK, you're OK. OK. And then she her lymph node looks like very, very large. So excuse me, my wife called our doctor and he lives a couple of blocks over from us, actually, and it was coved. So put your mind to all of this. Right. So stock markets crashed my business. I'm also an investor. I stop businesses crash.

 | 14:45 | The world's going crazy. So the doctor says, you know, I'll come over to the house, I'll check that out and then we'll see. We'll go from there. So he comes over and he checks out there and he says, you know, bring Bringers the office on Tuesday. And that weekend, my daughter comes to me and she's very, very upset, like. What's going on, baby? And she's like, I got cancer. I mean, come on, you know, in your first season. Yeah, whatever. Come on, don't be like that silly stuff. And she's like, no, daddy.

 | 15:15 | And at the time, she was taking cancer at school. So that would have been grade 10 biology. And I'm like, no. Come on, baby, should I do that? I do. And she broke down and I'm like, no, it's OK. OK. So, Kyra, my wife took her to the doctor Tuesday morning and I was at work at the fire hall. And we're going to a call. And I could see myself almost sitting just on the middle section of the truck and I see it ringing.

 | 15:48 | It's Kyra. And I know, right? That like. I know. I know the. Two sex, I told the story a million times. Every time the start point that always gets me, I knew our lives were changed forever, right? Then I saw the phone ring and they said, oh, well, to sex. And it's more to silence.

 | 16:19 | Yeah. I know these are tough questions. I know this is always the start once I get into it, its fine. It's nice to get because there is a little bit of hangover Gilberta feeling about, you know, we should have caught it sooner and all that type of stuff. But that's all nonsense anyway. The phone rings and my wife's in tears. Obviously, she's like, I got to take care of the sick kids now. Emergency doctors, I get it right there. So they run down a sick kids.

 | 16:47 | And this is where, oddly enough, people think, oh, that's crazy. covid worked in her favor. She gets the sick kids and it's empty. There's nobody there because it's shut down. So they go in immerge. There's like one other kid in emerged. There's immediately seen by like 20 people and they take her upstairs. And right away they knew. Everybody knew right away. So she there is no waiting for test. There's like, oh, no, come back. And it was done.

 | 17:16 | We knew and I don't remember all the days is a blur in a day or two, like two days. I was at work, my son Alexandre's home by himself the time he was 12, 11, and things are blurred. And I'm at work and I'm trying to function. And finally my cat is like, go home. What are you doing here? Because he knew I was in a big shock a little bit, right? Of course. Of course.

 | 17:42 | Well, like, get out of here and then and tributes to trying to fire the chief above him got hold me the next couple of days and said, listen, just take just go do whatever we'll see when we see. So and then my crew, it works and great. They were so supportive. They're all family, family guys to me. I got kids and they're awesome. So know that's how it all started. How long was she in sick kids? Oh, it's very blurry because even when she's not technically innocent kids, she's still going for tests all the time.

 | 18:16 | So I think it was like. Man, I want to say six to eight weeks every day, so we knew we had to figure out a plan and. With covid, because she was a minor, they allowed one parent to be with her, so I'm like, it's got to be you, Kyra, because I got to run my business. I got to go. I got to keep everything else going. Right. I have rental properties, investments. Like she's got to come home to something. Right.

 | 18:46 | We just can't just throw our hands up in the air and say, oh, because she's sick, I'm giving up and we're done. No, I can't do that. Right. Yeah. So you have got to be point. You've got to be point. You've got to meet the doctors. You've got to be the one down there. I'm sorry, but it's the only way it's going to work because we can't have a doctor see me one day and then you the next day and then we try to relay it through each other. And once you're lost, you're going to have to take point. So I was down there every day when she let me I would go down. She didn't want to leave her baby side.

 | 19:17 | So I would go down to see her normally at nights, sometimes a day. But normally at night I come home and shower and spend some time with Alexander and, you know, something proper to eat and lay in her own bed for a couple of hours type of thing, and then we'd switch it back up. Went on like that. It felt like for eternity. But, you know, so quickly here. You're a firefighter, you're an action oriented person, and you’re a getter done kind of person.

 | 19:48 | How did that feel when there was nothing you could do? Oh, I know where that question's going. It was it was gut wrenching. Honestly, Jan, it was horrible. Like I'd never felt so literally helpless in my entire life. Yeah, it was it was horrible. Like, my son and I had a lot of tears, a lot of time together and talking. And then I would try to call Sam, but he's always sleepy or on drugs or whatever. So it was really tough because you just you're on your own, right?

 | 20:19 | What I did do was I avoided. The Internet, in terms of researching or looking about what her disease was and the Oz and all that stuff, I avoided that stuff like crazy because I knew once you go down that rabbit hole, you're never getting out. You never know. And I just stay focused. Listen to the doctors and sick kids is renowned. And it's true. They're the best.
 | 20:48 | You take your best possible experience you ever had. Times of by a hundred, now you get sick. It's like they're pros all around. Yeah. And that's I just focus on that. Like if anybody's going to safer stuff. Yeah. So when was the coroner turned for her. So after that, they don't tell you a lot in terms of until the chemo starts taking effect that takes a while.

 | 21:18 | So it took about two months, I want to say, and time is horrible. And then they start seeing a reduction in the size of the tumors. And that's that's we knew we were going making some progress and breathing properly. So they started that the radiation was tough and her hair was falling out and all that stuff. And then she came home. She's coming home after that. Once they got stabilized and stuff, she was coming home, which was good.

 | 21:46 | And that was tough on her brother to see her like that. It was tough on everybody. And then covid good and bad because she was immune compromised. She would have lost a lot of people anyway. So. So people were coming by our house like constantly. My brother said, let's call a food train. So people are out of food all the time. And then we got positive news that the tumors are reducing in size. So that was that was the stress reliever for all of us.

 | 22:17 | The unfortunate part is because it took long because it was stage four and state stage don't mean so much lymphomas, because once the seniors and the lymphatic system is in your whole body, it's not like we think about one, two, three, four. But because the growth were so large, they knew from the beginning he was going to have to have radiation. And that's the worst part. Chemo is hell for the time being.

 | 22:46 | Radiation can because you trouble long term. But and even they had to build a special harness for her head so they could hang in this chair thing, this bed. So the tumors would slide away from her heart or her lungs so they could radiate them without damaging her heart or lungs further. So she wouldn't have been conscious for that, right? I think she was. No, she wasn't. No. To other parts of it. Yes, parts of it. No. Yeah, yeah.

 | 23:16 | But she's like, you want to talk about my resilience here? It's really she's one of resilience. She's not through stuff. How is she now? She's great. And it's hard to ascertain mentally where she's at because of the stupid covid good and bad. She's suffering like all her other friends. So I think codes, again, helped her out really because she's experiencing the isolation and the screwed up, completely screwed up high school experience, all that stuff saves.

 | 23:50 | All her friends are right. So they're all in this battle together, but she's done well. I want to say, jeepers, Dec, maybe she got a job at the local to the entire store and she's logs. I think she's logging now over thirty hours a week. Sixteen like twenty two, twenty four hours a week already. And that's a lot of walking. She'll, she'll have the little counters on their phones and she's logging in 10, 12, 14 hours a day on this game to start stocking orders and walk about the cars.

 | 24:22 | She loves it everybody. She loves it. So she's tough that way. Now I wanted to ask you, she did a video and I'm going to link the video when I post our interview. But video and I've watched it a few times because it's incredible. It's incredibly inspiring seeing her and her mom together. I love that part of the video because you can just tell that the amount of love between the two of them is just so amazing to see.

 | 24:56 | Where did she get the courage to be someone that could do a video like that? I certainly don't know. My business partner, who I spoke to with today, who he and I were roommates actually twenty five years ago. You know, he said, you know, he said, buddy, when I found out they had cancer, he says it broke me. But he knew that if anybody would be strong enough, it would be hurt.

 | 25:24 | So he says she got it from me. But I don't know about that. I have a feeling my wife's pretty tough, someone to put up with, a firefighter, an entrepreneur and a bit of a tough ass for twenty years. So there's probably a lot of toughness going around. Yeah. You know, your daughter has the most beautiful eyes. And in looking in that video and looking into her eyes, it was just like she draws you right in like it was. It's pretty powerful.

 | 25:54 | And I hope that people watching or listening will take a look at that video. That's a great organization that who did that? They helped and we didn't really. And obviously, we're lucky we didn't need it. But they help families, especially those who come from out of town that. To stay in town and cause a lot of money for accommodation and travel and food, and this organization helps them with all the financial stuff. So that's great.

 | 26:20 | That is so great to have those resources that help because we need all the help we can get when we're in a trauma situation. Yeah, I did want to ask you about your son. He's 13. I guess he was 12 at the time. How did he cope with all this? It's hard enough to be a kid at 12 and 13 or a boy at that age. How did he get through it all? Definitely because of who he is, but also because I'm hoping I helped him through it.

 | 26:55 | Like I said, I moved my office home. Yeah, my wife was point. I was here working at the house. He was home with home schooling. So it was really him and I every day, every night for a couple of months. And him and I luckily still we're still buddies. We still get along. We still talk. I know he was very confused and unsure and afraid and upset, but all the natural things to be him and his sister, they get along pretty well.

 | 27:24 | She's the big sister and she's always giving him a bit of a hard time. You know, they're very tight and I don't know the depth of their relationship because that's their relationship. And that's fine. But he's he is honestly, I got to say, video games help for sure, because just like her and everybody else cut off from the world, he was able to connect with his buddies.

 | 27:52 | And these came in what they call a video games, but they can all talk to each other and or see each other while they're playing stuff. So I know he found a lot of support in that. And through his sporting activities team, he's a baseball player and the downhill skier. So the downhill skiing world, everybody in that world knows both of them because they both grown up with the same group of parents and kids and stuff. So there was support from there because those people are always reaching out to him, too.

 | 28:21 | So I asked you before about resilience in your job as a firefighter, but I'd like to ask you what resilience to you related to being a dad is? To being a dad? That's a good one. No difference between work and being a dad or not. I don't know. To me to me, resilience is moving forward, pushing through the ups and the downs and the bad and really keeping in the back of your mind that you'll figure this out.

 | 28:55 | There's always brighter days ahead. And that's you just got to keep pushing and you have to reflect on the past and understand that, in my opinion, expert, what's happened. But you can't dwell on it. You can't get yourself locked out of, like, chain down. It's not ankle bracelets, right? You got to shake free and try to move forward as best you can. And whatever comes your way, you've got to be able to prepare for the worst and keep rolling.

 | 29:22 | And I think for parenting, it's the same thing that they write lots of books, but I have never read one book on because it's just it's nothing to me. It doesn't apply. Your kids are different than real kids. You just got to keep moving forward with them and hopefully guide them in the right direction that they'll find their path and keep moving forward. Right. What did your own dad teach you about being a dad? Unfortunately, my father and I weren't overly tight.

 | 29:51 | Our parents had us at a very young age. I couldn't fathom having children at twenty five or twenty four. I was I only want to think about what I was doing at that age of children. So I don't know. Unfortunately, my dad, like I said, we had a tough go and him and I were not close and that I've always found that upsetting to this day and he's gone now. That also happened this year in the midst of my dad sick, my daughter's sickness and to the whole world crashing down, you know, business, gravity, stock market, everything.

 | 30:24 | My dad also passed away, as did his sister, within six weeks of each other in the same home. So very tough situation. I was actually very close with my mother. And my mom had some difficult times dealing with the family situation in a rural community, not a lot of support network. So I honestly, I think I learned a lot from my mother about being resilient.
 | 30:50 | Quite honestly, I really if I was to say, where did it come from in that situation, I'd say a lot of it came from my mom, which is a funny comment, because if you were to meet my mom, it's not a descriptor most people would give her because she comes across as more of a sweet, gentle, chilled out type of. But I think under the skin there, honestly, that's the resilience probably came from in the most way because she dealt with everything that wasn't getting dealt with and she moved forward and kept things, kept my brother and I moving forward.

 | 31:21 | So I'd say that's probably where more came from. Yeah, I wanted to end or close to end by asking you what advice you would give your younger self. Huh, interesting. That's a good one, actually. One thing I've always found now, especially I've got older, and I was never a goal focused or goal driven.

 | 31:49 | And I find I never had an alternate plan. I never had an end post. I never had. This is my next thing. I was running on something with inside of me. And at times I think that's left me a little yearning or wanting or a little of what next. What's what do I do now? Right. And especially now that I'm getting older in my early 50s, it's like what's next for me?

 | 32:14 | And I think I think along the way, I probably should have read more, which may seem like a funny thing, but I've always. Tried to circle myself with people who I think know more than me or smarter than me, more successfully, all that type of stuff, and whether they are not is irrelevant. What I think they are and they help guide me along in every single one of them. I noticed they read a lot.

 | 32:43 | And I'd say at the end of the day, I should have read more and I went to university and all that, but I never kept up reading a lot. And I think that's one thing I'm sort of starting to gravitate back towards now. I had some friends of mine in that realm. Just give me some books randomly. It's like, oh, maybe they noticed. I need to read some more as well. I certainly now I'm happy about it. I'm having more time in my life to read more. I've always read fiction. I've always been a fiction writer, tons like puzzle books like that.

 | 33:12 | But I mean non-fiction, not fiction, more nonfiction, the boring stuff that people like. For instance. Now the series I should have read more. OK, got yeah. OK. And my final question is what would be a piece of advice you would give to dads. Let your kids be your kids. Don't put yourself into them too much. They are not you. They are other people. They're part of you, but they're not.

 | 33:42 | You let them find their way to be let them on their own, give them the base, the support, but don't stand in their way. I find a lot of parents standing their kids with just let them let them fail. Let them fall to get back up. Help them up, but don't pull them up. You know what I mean? Let them struggle. Let them go. I think kids nowadays don't fall in love. They don't get they don't get hurt enough bruised and battered, whether it be literally or figuratively. They both really. Yeah.

 | 34:12 | Which is done for them. Let them find their own stuff. Let them falter. You know, it's like if, say, I got a job at Crane Tire. It's a good example. Of course, I helped her get her first job. That's what parents should help do. That was it. I, I walked into the store and I lined up in line because she asked to see the person. I said, oh, thank God. I would look over in the hardware section. I'll talk to you in a minute. She looks at me with this cold look. I walked away. That was it. She got the job. I know, but helped her. I didn't get the job for her, you know, and that's I think kids need to figure out to do stuff on their own.

 | 34:44 | Yeah. Thanks, Rick. Thanks for chatting with me today. My pleasure. Really emotional there for a bit. Wells up sometimes. It's been quite a year. It's so understandable. So, yeah. To our listeners and viewers, thank you so much for joining me today. I mean, we heard a story of resilience and bravery and what an incredible family the Crawford family is.
 | 35:12 | So I just really appreciate the kind of candid conversation that we had. Please do join us on my YouTube channel. Subscribe follow me on my podcast wherever you get your podcasts. And please be sure and take a look at my website career-resilience.com, which is also where I housed my blog. So thanks. And until we meet again.