God bless you, wherever you are today. Thank you so much for joining us. You're joining myself, Reverend Ben Cooper. And we got our good friend, our Bible teacher in the house today, Steve valla, as he's going to open up the Word of God, and what I should say, as God opens up the Word of God, to him, and Steve reveals that to us, interesting title. And the title is very simple. And that is yoga means very interested in what's happening around the world. Especially in this area. Steve will bring this to light, literally. Interesting. I mentioned the word light. But we welcome you, wherever you are, across the world. Thank you so much for sharing all these podcasts that we've been doing, you know, literally 1000s We I say this so much, because it is just really refreshing to know that you're fully listening to everything, all the teaching, and we've got good brother Steve Bible teacher in the house. God is working through his life, you can find us on Buzzsprout, Spotify, I Heart Radio, and so many other platforms, Amazon music, thank you, again, from all of us here for sharing everything. And what I love about this, this is a pure when we say 1000s of downloads, they are literally full downloads for listens. Everybody has listened to the full podcast. So thank you from the very depth of our heart. Steve, that's it from me, we're in.
Steve:Good afternoon, everyone. There's just one thing I want to say about our broadcast last week, which was Israel language biblical. And I was talking there about how it is that there are no actual texts within the scripture which says that you can choose Jesus, but since the quiet rebuke from God over this not with regards to this area of choice, but perhaps some of the language I used. People feel as though they are restricted that they can't come. But in John six The Lord says, But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe all that the Father gives Me will come to me. And the one who comes to me, I will by no means cast out. So if you come to him, he's not going to cast you out. No. And the understanding that you will come to is that God the Father has drawn you you might not feel that drawing, you might not understand that drawing, you might say, but I was just seeking Jesus. Well, that's okay. Because if you come to Him, He will by no means cast you out. So I just wanted to sort of put that out there. So people didn't think I was closing the door.
Reverend Ben Cooper:No, no, we are fully grasp that. But whatever way we look at it, Steve, it's still God first,
Steve:isn't it? Yeah. So I just didn't want to be someone who shut the door on people.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Thank you. Thank you for clearing it up. No, there we go. That that is the true true message from a God given biblical teacher there. That's just God has moved the Yeah, I don't know what to say that. But God, thank you stay for for just clearing it up. Let's go. Let's go a little bit further.
Steve:We're going to talk more on the occult this week. Yeah, yeah. And one major area of the cult and just touch on another. If people if Christians aren't aware of the devil at work at the present moment, all you got to do is look at what's going on in politics all over the world. Yeah, and but more so what's going on in the church? And that's, that's the most distressing thing. What's going on in the church, the number of people who are Biblically literate, yes. Stay in one area, lost sight of the Word of God. You know, like Psalms, I just read the Psalms. Psalms are like, I like the gospel of Mark, because it's short and it's quick and quick. Without ever kind of developing their
Reverend Ben Cooper:their complete biblical Yeah, not viewpoint.
Steve:And what Adam was saying is, you've got to, you've got to grasp as much as you can, from Genesis to Revelation. Excellent. You're not going to know everything. You're not going to be able to cram all 66 books into your head. No, but as you study
Reverend Ben Cooper:year after year, I mean,
Steve:I read a quote the other day. There's often times we do our Bible study, we walk away and we've forgotten everything that we just studied. Thank God for three weeks later God reminds us revelation
Reverend Ben Cooper:God reveals it
Steve:Yeah And it's a case of the Holy Spirit reminding us. Yeah, I'm bringing this to understanding. And so the the study of the word isn't so much garnering knowledge now as yielding to the leading of the Holy Spirit. Yeah, he might place within his wisdom and understanding and the right time, bring it out from us. Praise God, sir. Yeah, very true. So I just want to read two scriptures. More from Proverbs 12, verses one to three. Whoever loves instruction loves knowledge, but he who hates correction is stupid. A good man obtains favor from the Lord, but a man of wicked intentions, he will condemn. A man is not established by wickedness, but the root of the righteous cannot be moved. And also in two Corinthians six and verses 14 to 18, Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers for what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has liked with darkness, and what are called as Christ with Bilal, or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? And what agreement as the temple of God with idols, for you are the temple of the living God, as God has said, I will dwell in them and walk among them, I will be their God, and I shall be my people. Therefore, come out from among them, and be separate, says the Lord, do not touch what is unclean, and I will receive you, I will be a father to you, and you shall be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty. Now there is a tendency among primarily the ladies to lose weight and keep fit. Yeah, unlike some of us men kind of just keep eating. The ladies want to keep fit. My wife does a physical jerk every right after she does it. I mean, she's totally totally she gets up. She's up a seven o'clock in the morning bouncing around all over the place. She puts moonshine. But you know, it's good. To keep fit. Yes, keep well is good.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Because that's biblical, isn't it? That is it talks to doesn't it about keeping yourself fit? Keep yourself well? Is it Paul that writes the bat talks about exercise. There's a there's a mention. So he talks about it's not like it's but it's good to keep yourself good. It's good for the body, but it's of no use for spiritual things. It's got no use whatsoever. It's just
Steve:an actual fact that that's quite good to look at that. Because depending on the kind of exercise that we pursue, yeah, we can find ourselves in the area of the occult. In trying yoga, yes, is in your coat. Now, historically, it was supposed to have started around about the fourth century. I think I might have got it wrong, but it's, it's kind of I think, it's, it starts with the Buddhists, what goes in to the Hindus and there's this kind of link at various points along the way. People will have to forgive me for that. Understand it fully. And please don't sit there and guard me if I haven't got my history, right. But the, the body as seen by practitioners of yoga has seven chakras or chakras, chakras. Yeah. And these are energy centers. And they are along the astral spine
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah. So gateways, aren't they?
Steve:I dont know if they're gateways, but they're places the centers of energy. Yes. They see that man has an astral man. Yes, yes. And a physical man. Yeah. It's sort of, you know, basically, a way of looking at a man has a spirit. Yeah. But the thing about these chakras is if they're out of balanced, then a person is unable to live properly in a healthy way. And mentally, physically, spiritually. If you don't get your chakras balanced, you're in a you can get in a poor way. Thank God the Bible. So Yeah,
Reverend Ben Cooper:this is a serious this is really a subject because like Steve was saying we, well we can in the in the West tend to relate yoga, to exercise losing weight. But actually when you go further into the subject, you really find that it is it's serving foreign gods it's in Hindu worship is God worship. It's an but what we've got today I believe is a mixture of all type from every different place, you know,
Steve:the problem that you often end up with within the church. When you find Christians practicing it, they will say, Well, look, we're not worshiping other gods. Yeah, our focus is on Jesus. Yes. But we we just do these exercises because they're good for it. Yeah. The problem about it is that some of the exercises are devotions to foreign gods.
Reverend Ben Cooper:So they're what their positions of worship aren't. Yes, you are worshiping foreign gods. Yes. And people go well, quote, there may but I didn't realize that. But we we actually worship from Gods in more ways than we realize, generally in life, don't we do even in sports stars even in Yes, in certain idols that we have that we don't intend to do that? But yoga?
Steve:No, in this this instance, one of the problems that you've got here because it was, it finds itself locked into a spiritual dimension, you can't unlock it, you know, that there are there are yogic teachers that say, There's a famous one whose name escapes me at the moment, but he once said, You must not see yoga as a spiritual pursuit. But if you look at the history of
Reverend Ben Cooper:it, that is, that's where it started.
Steve:Okay. I'll give you some quotes. The, again, forgive me if I'm if I'm not pronouncing this correctly, the Mooladhara chakra is found at the base of the spine in actual fact, yeah, it's actually found between the genitals and the ions. I think that's its actual place. Yeah. And to balance this, you have to take on the tree pose. Yeah. Or the mounting posts. This helps balance that. Chakra. Yep. Okay. So whilst this does not require a position, which honors a false god, yeah. Nevertheless, it opens you up to the era of animism. Yeah, and animism is the, there is a spiritual dimension to all things, that there is a live thing to all say yes. And so if we, if we're like a tree, or if we're like a mountain, taking this Yeah, on. And what I would also say is that when the demonic powers first developed these things, they really don't care whether we reject them. They will carry on doing it and they will carry on instilling it. It doesn't mean everybody that gets into yoga will end up in a very dark place. No, but one thing you must understand if you're a Christian, you're dishonouring god. Yeah, yes. Right. Yeah. And you are opening yourself up to a greater deceit. Quotes concerning and these all come from a roundabout the second to fourth century, ad. Yoga is fourfold face aspiration, perseverance and means so you that's its that's its goals. It has faced there is
Reverend Ben Cooper:serious for drivers for serious drivers face
Steve:aspiration, perseverance. Yeah, it's very much for us as Christians, we have to persevere. Yeah. And means and it's a development of the way a person lives. Yeah. Character. Yeah. In this system, yoga is the union of the self and the Lord. Whoa. Now the Lord in this case is Shiva, Shiva. And Shiva is part of the Hindu Trinity if you want and he is known as the Great God. Yeah. But also known as the destroyer. Very interesting. And he is supposed to destroy all things at the end of time. Okay, interesting leaves The sound in France, Switzerland, where it's on the border zero, isn't it? They've got a big statue to Shiva, it was given to them, which they put outside their offices, and then said, We're were not looking for anything spiritual.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Why do you put that this
Steve:is always the thing, isn't it? Why? You're looking for something? Why do you put it? Yeah, you know,
Reverend Ben Cooper:we didn't know that just turned out in the back of a lorry.
Steve:Yeah, people got these little fat boys in their garden. And, you know, that's another thing. Again,
Reverend Ben Cooper:spiritually,
Steve:why and moving in. This is all occult ism of one sort or another, you know,
Reverend Ben Cooper:you can't you can't hide the fact that that it is it is of the occult world. Any anything that we do that is not worshipping the God of Israel is all of that other spiritual entity, which is worshiping foreign gods. I mean, the meditation which, so that that's interesting. Are you going to talk about the meditation in Joshua says, meditate on the word down night?
Steve:Well, yeah, that's the meditation for the Christian is. Look at the word. Consider the word pray it through. Seek the Lord over it. Yeah. Quietly look quietly praying. Yeah. Meditation in there used to be a Christian singer. And his name was Don Francisco. I don't know if you've ever I've heard of it. a blasphemer. I love him. I really did. He was all involved in the whole area of yoga and transcendental meditation, all that. Yeah. He said, and he said, One day, I was sitting there, and I was focusing on focusing on the bright white light of stupidity. Suddenly, the real light brother real
Reverend Ben Cooper:bright, the real light. Yeah, you mentioned the word that seems to be floating around and it transcend or meditation. Astra plane in all this sort of stuff, you know, yoga, worshipping foreign gods. idolatrous worship, it is all mentioned in the Old Testament very clearly isn't
Steve:out, all these things come see one of the things that people probably don't appreciate is that when they encounter it, they're not encountering it. In a Hindu temple. No, or in a Buddhist temple, or in a Shinto temple, in Japan, stuff like that. You tend to encounter it, you know, a dinner party or a tea party and you're having a chat with your My Yeah, well, you look good. And what you've been doing what I've been doing this and the other, and why don't you come down and you make the nice lady and she shows you what it is. And she's such a wonderful person in this. She seems so calm, and you should tell you that she used to weigh 55 stone, but now she only weighs a pound 10 stone away. And so you get you don't get the spiritual aspect
Reverend Ben Cooper:of it now, because it's the physical, it's exercise. Yeah, it's, it's, it's a community failing, the family failing.
Steve:I mean, in some ways, there's a sort of the introduction of these things is similar to masonry. When when you when you go into mice come along merrily, has come a loss. It's seen as a group of chaps getting together doing charitable work, they do charitable work. And very few of them go past that. A third degree, you know, they there's very few of them that are tied to the 30th 31st or second 33rd degree very rare. And once you get up
Reverend Ben Cooper:there, yeah. Well, you're in a very bad place, and you're in a spiritual
Steve:and so most meistens will never return to they're not interested not
Reverend Ben Cooper:interested, because it's a bit of fun, but
Steve:an alarm of a joke. Yeah. The only problem there, of course, is that if they were to read what's said there is that people of all religions can come. And when you enter in, you put your hand on the Bible, or any chosen religious book. Yeah. And then you, your mate, you're swearing by this, and you're swearing by the Christians. Seriously, what if you're a mason and you're a Christian? You seriously seriously want to consider I mean, I've known many, many Christians, lots that were masons, they're claiming that God convicted them is evil and wrong. And I don't want you to know,
Reverend Ben Cooper:it is really interested in it. Because at the moment, we are living in a time when the UK in the world is very spiritually thin, and people are looking for answers and they say are turning to the occult world without realizing that it is the occult world because you might have a poster outside of a gym and it just come an exercise with a nice roll up mat. And all that Oh, go and do that. And there's a class there's a yoga class that's stretching and
Steve:the other thing is that yoga is said to be the oneness of one intimacy with another. So oneness with wanting to which into to which the other, which was the other one this week before
Reverend Ben Cooper:coming in the gym to do this, what was the what's the what's the end result? Who am I partnering with? Who am I? Who am I being kin to? Yes, the Bible talks about being kinder and very careful. Who were yoked with.
Steve:And going back to Shiva there. There's there is a particular pose. Yes, it honors Shiva. Yes. It's the what I think is called the warrior pose. And, again, Christians go into if I'm not bowing down this, the demonic realm really doesn't care what you think it
Reverend Ben Cooper:will label it up. Whatever already. Got you. Yeah. And it's been around for 1000s already got.
Steve:Now this is so you might get away with it. But even at the point of going into that, you have to consider Am I honoring God with what I'm doing? Yes. Yeah. That's that's the thing.
Reverend Ben Cooper:And that's that is that that is the fundamental point for all of us. What I am doing in my life generally. Is it honoring God? Yes. God, everything. That's right. Because it's so easy to worship idols, isn't it? It's so easy without your real easier. And he's getting easier as we as we progress along the
Steve:timeline. If you look, I mean, today, what is it, my wife read something potent, and he's threatening to bomb, Great Britain, strategic bombing of Great Britain? I find that a bit difficult to believe, primarily, because if he bombs us, then the whole of NATO is going to get on his neck. Yes. And he's having trouble fighting back there in Ukraine, let alone fighting. So in other countries, but there we go, yes. But what I'm trying to say is that the pressure that's on people to die, they are desirous of finding a place of peace, a place of getting away from the madness of the world
Reverend Ben Cooper:and seeking and searching less some, some answer outside this realm in which we live.
Steve:Yeah. And because of the prices that are rising all the time, yeah, people will find it more and more difficult to go to the booze because they want to get it Yeah. Then they will. They might turn to drugs, but then that will go up, and they won't be able to do that. And so there will be more and more opportunity to go to a situation where there isn't a payment needed. Or we can pursue something where we can find this peace and this kind of thing we yoga, I mean, yeah. All right. You pay for your classes, but there might come a time. But you can do at home can you can do it at home, turn on a YouTube, you get whatever you like,
Reverend Ben Cooper:you're doing it in your front room, and suddenly your home becomes a temple. I worship in place to some entity. Yes. That is not of the God of Israel.
Steve:And this is and this is why I say that the the greater the cloud. We spoke about preaching the sermon last year's last week. The closer we get, the more the darkness will reveal itself openly. Very bold. Yeah,
Reverend Ben Cooper:I'll when I open. It's
Steve:one of the reasons the proverb, quote, whoever loves instruction loves knowledge. We have to be teachable.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah, we do completely and yet,
Steve:we have to be able to say, I repent of this. I'm sorry for that. I have I I'm at the present moment. I'm doing various studies on areas of Wesleyan ism, Wesley, Wesley and Arminianism, Calvinism Lutheranism, the other Giza, Finney, and I'm trying to get an understanding of some of what they taught why they taught it, where they sit through all of this the one thing that God is impressed upon me more and more and more. Okay, I will look at these blokes. But at the end of the day, at the end of the day, it's the word it to some degree, it doesn't really make any difference what they have said to my eternal value. What matters is you searched the word out. Yeah. And you talk to me and I will guide you. Yeah, so All right. There could be times when you reference these fellas, but you've got to come back on your go to to the Word of God. And if you are involved in Freemasonry, in yoga, and in martial arts, Yeah, I'll touch on in a moment. Yeah, these things all have a spiritual dimension. Everything has a spiritual dimension. But this is a direct sense of, of a spiritual dimension,
Reverend Ben Cooper:a go to point, a place that you can reference and you know, yeah.
Steve:One of the quotes was Yoga is a spiritual, mental and physical practice. And this is from a guy back in the sixth century. So from the very beginning, when these men and women came together to pursue this, yeah, they understood that what they were doing was a spiritual aspect of spiritual exercise, because that's where it started. It had a spiritual springboard. And it it if it if it developed in Buddhism, it gravitated towards Hinduism. Yeah, what other way around, I can't remember how it worked. But this honoring of Shiva,
Reverend Ben Cooper:a foreign god, a destructive force,
Steve:as you know, as I say, is known as the Great God. Well, there is only one great god. Yeah, the Scripture says, Jehovah, that's he revealed himself. So if you're bowing down to somebody else who calls himself a great God, yeah. As he masonry, you're bowing down to Lucifer. Yes, yeah. Who the higher Masons will say, are, but he's got. He's got his God. Yeah. And you have to understand it doesn't matter, that you reject the spiritual aspect. It's there, whether you like it or not. That's correct. Yeah. If somebody serves you up a bowl of soup, and I say that there's, there's a little tincture of something in there. And you said, Well, I can't taste it, but I'll eat it anyway. It doesn't matter whether you can taste it or not get in
Reverend Ben Cooper:there. He's in it's in. That's the thing. It's in, it's in there. It's in and when I say what we are dealing with here is spiritual power. Yes. Spiritual power cannot be resisted. One way or the other. Why should
Steve:you viewed yourself to it? Once you've opened the door to it? It will cause problems in your life.
Reverend Ben Cooper:It drives it's a driver, you know, Oh, yes. Look at the power of God who who can resist this power this supernatural? No one. But when we come back to Yogo, and bow worship and and everything that has gone on, and the Ashleigh Powell was nothing new under the sun is out. It's just labeled differently.
Steve:Why would differently I always used to say that? The devil doesn't change his ways. He just changed his his clothes. Just put a new coat on? Yeah,
Reverend Ben Cooper:exactly. It totally does. Yeah, it's still worshipping foreign gods. Yeah. And I can't think of the reference point in the Word of God where it says, God says, I am the God of the gods. So beneath, yes, he is God. And beneath there is spiritual entities.
Steve:This is these are principalities and powers, which are spoken of.
Reverend Ben Cooper:We spoke about it. Goodness knows how many times Yeah, but they are there. So can we put them in the tin in the in the bin of the sons of gods? Yes.
Steve:Can't their sons of God where they come out? Yes. If you look at it from a silage theological standpoint, the sons of God are those beings who are a direct creation of God. Christ Himself is the Son of God but not created begotten, he was begotten, right. But the sons of God, the Ben a Elohim, which we'll encounter throughout the Word of God, are those who were directly created by him. Adam was a son of God. All subsequent humans were not their sons of Adam. Yeah, so yeah. sons of Adam. All right. And the only way you become a son of God is to be born again. Yeah. So I mean, it's the old adage, you know, we're all children of God, well, actually, we're not going away, you become a child of God to be born again. So,
Reverend Ben Cooper:so but to be born again, is what we're talking about is spiritual, spiritual. So everything is spiritual. Yeah.
Steve:I just want to touch on Kundalini yoga. Ah. Now, Kundalini, in kundalini yoga is is a female enlightened female energy. And it's believed to be coiled at the base of the spine. Yeah. This is where the other chakras we spoke about, which I'm going to try and repeat the name. Kundalini Yoga seeks to release this energy. Yeah. And that's a
Reverend Ben Cooper:very, very dark.
Steve:Yes, it is because it start you if people want to see the artwork and have a look at what happens at bringing concerts and all the other things, yeah. Hillsong leaping up and down and replace
Reverend Ben Cooper:it strong. Yeah, it's, it's the feelgood factor there's there's different elements to that. There's that soft. And also, it's got that you got to be careful of that. That love that free love that hippie, all that sort of stuff laced in all that it's very, I mean, in certain areas, it's sexualized as well,
Steve:you only got to look at Sagres sign about YouTube, you only got to look into some stuff on YouTube. Look up Kundalini spirit in your seat stuff that they do in the occult practices is exactly the same as after Christians are doing when they're bouncing up and down on
Reverend Ben Cooper:the floor. Yeah, exactly the same. It's you know,
Steve:the difference, however, is that once that gets into you, you then start, you can then start operating in ways that you see when Benny Hinn and various others do it when they hold up their hands from a distance. And suddenly people are bowled over. Well, this isn't the Spirit of God. Now, this in many respects is the Kundalini spirit. It's, it's similar to the Chi, which is a spiritual power, which when it's developed by those who seek it, it makes a person extremely powerful. So it's a false Yeah, it is. I saw a video one time from a bus station in I don't know if it was Hong Kong or Singapore or whatever it was. Anyway, there was these young girls, I run into teams, and they were getting off this bus. And the this, this was two fillers. They came at them, and they were going to attack them. And these girls just stuck their hands out like this. And these blokes literally were bowled over with back. Yeah, I mean, I went back, I went back 10 feet or so. And these were big boys. And they, you know, they weren't throwing themselves back. They were rolled back. Wow. And then when one of them tried to get up again and do it what they got it? They got another portion of it.
Reverend Ben Cooper:So when when we talk about spiritual falls, we are talking about an area that is very dark, very powerful. But it is under our feet.
Steve:Yeah. You'll people will remember Star Wars. Yeah. And there was a great deal of influence. Yeah, the only development Yes, the force be with
Reverend Ben Cooper:the force booth. Yeah, very famous line. May the force be with you. It's
Steve:a development because you know, the Alleghenies character, when he's trying to describe the force, he says, it's this energy that is in the whole of the universe, and it goes through you and within what you're trying to do is sort of capture it, and you've got the dark side and the lights,
Reverend Ben Cooper:but it's the whole that's it. It's very scripture, and that's it. Star Wars when we Yeah, that's it. This is
Steve:an explanation of the area of occult
Reverend Ben Cooper:forces. Yeah, that that's that's the right way to word it a cultic forces and occultic practices. Again, you come back to the Old Testament, again, God tells us do not dabble in the foreign gods. Don't when you go into the land of Cain, don't Don't dabble with what they don't copy, don't mimic what they are doing. What did they do? Right away
Steve:until you get to Zeke, you and if you start reading Ezekiel, and then there's a bit of travel stuff in there.
Reverend Ben Cooper:You don't want to do that before you go on. That's important for the Christian to understand, isn't it? Because when you look at those, those near new age practices that they got labels on, well, actually you will find it in in the Old Testament. And it'd be good to study that and to read that because then you'll go to know what it was all in 1000s of years ago. This is what's happening now that is happening in the book of Ezekiel very dark, very, very bleak, but then actually is happening in gyms, it's happening in gymnasiums. It's happening in schools, that many churches, it's happening in your own front room. So there's this force, this energy that is put into flight by the person doing these, these ritualistic poses, and worshiping foreign god.
Steve:Yes. The other thing about Kundalini Yoga, you have this chant, there is a chant, Mantra, Mantra, all that and in that it's the one that's used mainly is called the set name. And the set name, set means truth. Yep. A name means identity or nine. When you're chanting it, you're saying you're literally saying truth is my name. Or I am the physical manifestation of eternal On truth, what you're doing now, if you don't pick it up is that you're actually deceiving thrown in Christ. Yeah, you as he is, hey, the truth and the light. And what does Lucifer want to do? Well, let's say he wants to be it. So, but from the point of view of the Christian, yeah, you start chanting set name. Yeah. You are blessed framing Christ. Yeah.
Reverend Ben Cooper:So everywhere. Everywhere we look at this there. It's, it is coming back at Christianity. It is pushing Christianity. It is blaspheming Christ. And it is worshiping foreign gods. Yes. You can't get away from that fact. Because it was birthed for spiritual enlightenment. Yeah, that is what we're looking at
Steve:the problem that you have now is that there's a group called I can't remember who started out, but it's called holy yoga. And it's it's a It was started by a Christian. Okay. Okay. The problem that you have is that, like, Don't reinvent poses.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Now. Yeah.
Steve:I'm using I'm using those poses, but I'm calling it holy yoga
Reverend Ben Cooper:and can call it what you're like. But if you bow down, it's the action isn't it? It's the it's the physical action about
Steve:getting go out and invent a new game called shuffle. What's it, but you play with a ball when you use football rules. Still Still football. You can call it what you like, but it's still football. So if you're going through these poses, you can call it only yoga. And you can say, I'm not doing this. But unless you're reinventing poses that have got nothing to do with with origins of yoga. So all you're doing is perpetuating what
Reverend Ben Cooper:yoga is, yeah, it's so true. It's, it's the position. It's the position, and why breathing techniques. So it's so your charge you breathe, you're making yourself a gateway. Yeah. And and it's, and as you start trotting, you go into a trance, and you start the mantra, yes, you become a very powerful gateway for spiritual activity.
Steve:I mean, I should have touched more on the breathing aspect, because breathing is very, very important in the whole area of yoga. Yeah. And it is there to control the organs to control the heart to control your lungs. Yeah. But these breathing aspects are also spiritual. They're not just for the physical, spiritual, they are spiritual. Yeah. And again, is to say, it doesn't really make any difference whether you so I don't believe in that. It really doesn't make any difference. It's like saying I don't believe in God would. Okay, it's because God's still there any way. You can say you don't believe but yeah,
Reverend Ben Cooper:yes. Right. Yeah, that's correct.
Steve:Just saying you don't believe doesn't stop the power.
Reverend Ben Cooper:That that's what that's what it is, is it's the power, the unseen power. It's like when we come back to the Word of God and just think straightaway of Judas, Judas was a vehicle for Satan. So you can't get away from the fact because there's reference points where a Satan enters into Judas. Yes. So, so what Satan is a spiritual being, so he uses the vehicle of humanity to get his work done. Yes. So it's the same with the, with worshipping foreign gods. So yeah, let's,
Steve:I mean, Judas is a good case in point. If we look at Judas and what we understand of him in the Word of God. John calls him a safe. Yeah, he always had his hand in always, in a purse. Goodness knows what he was doing. Especially more Yeah. But the point being, his heart was already corrupt. Yes, right. He was corrupted or at corruption, okay. And his desire to sell Christ was
Reverend Ben Cooper:for what he could get for gain for going his own gain.
Steve:Right. So then Satan entered into him, so that at that point, you have the union of man, fallen men, Fallen Angel, coming together as one as one in agreement to betray the Son of God.
Reverend Ben Cooper:And I find it interesting, Steve, that, that Satan was in control of his physical being.
Steve:Well, yes and no, this this is site
Reverend Ben Cooper:is a fine line, isn't it? It? Is it because was he was was he going in the strength of his flesh? Or was he also driven? What was the purpose of seitan getting in to this disciple
Steve:to give him greater strength to make sure that he did not?
Reverend Ben Cooper:Back out back out?
Steve:Yeah. All right, because he could have got outside and thought himself, I ain't gonna do this. I'm gonna do that. I'm not going to do this.
Reverend Ben Cooper:So it's demonically driven The Spiritual is driving the physical, the physical. They both needed something new. And he's coming together to agreement. Yeah, yes, a union.
Steve:This idea of being driven takes away. Judas, his culpability. He was guilty of what he did. Otherwise, it's good to devil made me do it. You know, the point about it is that he
Reverend Ben Cooper:was in a sound mind. Sorry, was in a sound mind.
Steve:Yeah, he knew what he's doing what he was doing when I, when I showed up without incitement. They knew him. And the the, the, if you will, it's reflected in Psalm. So in some ways, but the kings of the earth and the kings of Heaven came together to try to destroy Christ. And we'll do a teaching on that one day. Because there's lots of surprises in there. But they came together that they wanted. They both wanted the same ends. Yes. All right. I both saw Simon's they wanted to destroy Christ. Sight net is into him. And Judas has already opened himself up. Yeah. And so there's this union, this unholy union between men and fallen angel, and together in the betrayal of Christ, they condemned themselves only for God. They've done it. Yeah. So, but I wanted to touch on the area of martial arts, was my mind many years ago. We were talking about karate. And I asked him, I said, Is it true that the dojo Yeah, the area or the gym where you practice it? I said, is it a spiritual place? He said, Yes. He said, It is a spiritual place, because what we do, has aspects of the spiritual, right. So that when you enter into this area of martial arts, will be at this is Japanese, not a Chinese, albeit with the Chinese is theirs with kung fu or kung fu kung fu however you pronounce it. These you are entering into spiritual dimensions. You've only got to look at, again, some of the stances. Yeah, I've got the praying mantis. Yes, you've got the tiger. Yeah, you've got the crane. All these animistic. Again, you see, they take on the movements of the animal. They develop it. Yeah. And we come into this area of capturing the energy that is found in the universe
Reverend Ben Cooper:and that the world uses that done it. It uses energy. Yes, says energy rather than actually. It is a spiritual force.
Steve:Yeah, I mean, the other one, also, from the point with regards to yoga, going back to yoga for a moment. There's an aspect of vibrations. Yeah. All right in yet. Now, unfortunately, this area of vibrations, is coming into areas of the church who are not even seeking Yoga. But if you read some of the books, written by people that go to Hillsong, or Bill Johnson's church, in reading, and various other developments winter, New Apostolic reformation, they will start talking about vibrations. And alignments.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah, so as soon as you hear that word, and also elevation, yes, elevation alignments, you've got the talking about Welborn as well, that there's so many words out there that are Satanic.
Steve:So it's I mean, when when the Bible uses the term alignment, it uses it in the sense of a broken leg being put put back it put back in line, yeah, all right, bone to bone bone, a bone being put back in line, so that you that have been walking lightly, God restores are restored and you are now that alignment is clean. You have been here. The problem that we have with the alignment that they talked about this idea of aligning ourselves align so even as though we have to move ourselves into a position of alignment with God. Well, we're already aligned with God in as much that we are seated in heavenly places in Christ Jesus, you can't get much closer.
Reverend Ben Cooper:But it's the terminal last week was looking at the Latin your biblical language, biblical language. There's such a far Online isn't there a bit of Christians using this language and depending what movements and what denominations and strange offshoots, they are actually a cult but labeled up as ministers. And the language they use is very satanic very much. And they're trying to switch the whole church to use these different language and different hashtags and these these news strap lines all this sort of stuff. You know, God is love and all this and beating these drums all day long, when actually the holistic well being word in need to be looked at as well, doesn't it? Oh, yes. The whole aspect, the whole bag of everything. Yeah, because
Steve:most of these things are. The devil is not going to give you something dripping with poison and sight. I mean, look, look. What's the classic Sleeping Beauty? All right now which turns out brilliant, right. bright, red. Apple. Yeah, that looks lovely. Didn't want. And they're all sleeping beauty bites it No. And so a lot. Very interesting. This is the thing that whenever sweet, you are offered something in there. It looks good. It looks good. And it also you know, I feel good. I feel better. I do this. I do these exercises. I do these chants. It just seems to make me feel better. And the whole thing. You end up sitting in a darker place than you ever sat in before.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah, but it's you said something the the angel of light in disguise as it is. So you're so clever. The the slight? It seems to me that we're living in a time where everything is very theatrical very performance. The devil knows how to perform. Yes, he knows how to perform. He knows what to say. He knows what he is doing. He's very calculated. And he knows
Steve:what is question. Chuck, gone. What do you think God sent His son at a time when technology was so basic?
Reverend Ben Cooper:Right. I, I would say that happened so that we would not get confused and caught up. And we could rely on the technology to put that as the God
Steve:in part that is but one of the reasons he uses the word rather than the site, the site is that when we see things, whilst they have an effect on us, they can have an effect on us in a detrimental way. Yes, sight. And the other point about it is that if we read about Jesus, it says it wasn't that attractive. Isaiah, there was nothing about it. Nothing about him that was attractive.
Reverend Ben Cooper:But what we got on technology at the moment, look at that. Well, I mean, most
Steve:Jesus's that are portrayed, you know, it's big Anglo Saxon geezer with a big, full, reddish beard. And yeah, trotting around in a white robe or whatever it is. Yeah, I mean, go back 200 years ago, and he, he was a blonde Anglo Saxon trotting around and a white robe. not Jewish, not a Jewish guy
Reverend Ben Cooper:with a sore in his end Ghana, Ghana do some work.
Steve:Again, from the point of view of martial arts, going back to martial arts, a Situ earlier that Bruce Lee used to, when he was interviewed one time, said that he had, he knew that there was this false within this false was greater than faith. It was greater than ambition. It was great and anything he knew, when this false when he when he controlled this false, he was able to do tremendous things. But this false he he said he didn't believe he was going to live. He thought he was going to die. Younger than his father, which he did. His father was brutally die when he was 32. His father was 64. This curse also went down to his son, Brandon Lee, who died I think he was younger than his father when he died. And the linking in with these forces, yielding yourself for your own betterment. All right, Lee was seen as probably one of the greatest practitioners of martial arts. He faced all sorts of people and overcame that there's loads of stuff on YouTube where you can see him fighting karate masters, Judo masters, all sorts of stuff.
Reverend Ben Cooper:physical ability was
Steve:unbelievable. I mean, extraordinarily powerful, extraordinarily fast. You can't go and
Reverend Ben Cooper:you can't achieve that. Can you just buy your your feet Physical strength you there has to be
Steve:That's it. There has to be a spiritual aspect to it.
Reverend Ben Cooper:It's not possible not physically No. So there is a there is a power a false.
Steve:Yeah. I mean when he invented this thing called the One Punch the one inch punch, and he would seem to all of his power power and fell into his hand. And he would just bang an inch and hit someone I go flying.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah, so it's got nothing to do with muscular strength. It's the force within it's the folks within. And coming back to Star Wars, you know,
Steve:I mean, it's the for the folks be with you. The free is a spiritual folks. Karate Kung Fu, whatever you like to call it. Kung Fu if you like, and the various other martial arts practices. Yeah, especially from the east are basically spiritual locking into a spiritual force.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah, that's Yeah, you look at all the positions or the starting positions, the praying hands, every area of their starting position, and their posture is is about prayer. You really, when you really analyze what they do, they're close enough.
Steve:It's spiritual is a spiritual thing. The other thing from from the Christian point of view, is that because the whole thing is based upon the hurting of another human being, that's not really Christian,
Reverend Ben Cooper:Christian. Well, there we go. That was a whirlwind. 52 minutes, wherever you are. We thank you so much, you know, great to have Steve with us today. Beautiful Scripture all the way through just before we come close. Yeah,
Steve:I just want to urge any Christian out there that is involved with martial arts, yoga with any of the Eastern meditation groups, please, please consider this that you are in an extremely dangerous position. And that what you do does not honor your Lord is correct. And you I earnestly seek you to seek Him in prayer, that he might bring you to a place of true repentance. Amen, I do pray.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Amen. Thank you, Steve, so much Scripture scripture scripture. We thank you wherever you are. And it will be interesting to have some feedback from many that may be involved in in yoga and enlightenment and everything in martial arts. It will be interesting to have some discussions and may God bless you and strengthen you wherever you are. There is only one God and His name is Jehovah. He is the king. Have a great afternoon. Thank you so much for joining us wherever you are across the world. You can find us on iHeartRadio, Amazon Music, Spotify and Buzzsprout and so many other social platforms. God bless you. We will see you next week with our good friend, our Bible teacher Steve in the house of the Lord. God bless