Reverend Ben Cooper: 0:26

Well, there we go. We're in. Good afternoon and welcome. Thank you so much for joining us wherever you are across the earth today. We thank you so much for sharing these 1000s of downloads across the world. You know, we always say this you can find us on Buzzsprout, Spotify I Heart Radio, Amazon music, Alexa, so many other platforms that we're on and we just we are so blessed to have you guys and gals out there on the other side of the globe sharing all this sort of stuff that we do. We got our lovely brother Brian Greenaway was today, and we have been sharing lots of podcasts as you are very aware of Israel, and the ministry that our brother is ingrained in and it's in his blood. But also we got a lovely friend with us today we got Roy Warren. Roy. Hello. Let's see Abramoff Bereshit bled bless you bless you, my friend, Roy, it is a treat to have our brother in the studio with us as we record and we just listened to the Word of God. And we have a cup of coffee and Brian's on the water today because you've got a health check going on. No sweets, no chocolate. We're straight in. Brian, it's good to see you. Good evening. quick rundown, very quick rundown as everything in Israel, what's going on?

Brian Greenaway: 1:34

Well, it's hot there. Yeah, yes, this forest fires as normal. Not actually the worst fires in the government, because things are pretty shaky, pretty fiery. I mean, those who pray for Israel now but as we know that the coalition has been shaky since somebody, one person one MK moved from the coalition government to to the other side, have the side says bad. But there's one more now one more move. So it looks like the government doesn't have got long doesn't have long to last, which is a shame. But it's a shame, that political instability in Israel. But then then He keeps looking for the king, don't they?

Reverend Ben Cooper: 2:09

They were looking for the king. Where is the King and King? Where is it? Where's he hiding? Where is he? So Roy, you got a quite interest in Israel as well?

Brian Greenaway: 2:19

Yeah, very much. So I've been very fortunate to have gone to Israel many times over the years. And Brian, and I've we've crossed paths. And I have a heart for Israel too. And I've done a bit of work for my heirs, and really sort of appreciate the initiatives that my ways do in Israel, very much very, very pro Israel,

Reverend Ben Cooper: 2:40

brilliant staff and whatever areas of ministry and work or you've been involved in what a brief, quick fire journey? Well, in the

Brian Greenaway: 2:47

last two or three years, I've really, really been involved with the persecuted church in the Middle East. That's really that inspires me the need of supporting our brothers and sisters in the Middle East. I've been working for Voice of the Martyrs for many years on a voluntary basis. But four years ago, I set up a charity called Ezra resources, which works alongside Vaughn, but focuses predominantly for the persecuted church in the Middle East. And so organizations like males, are very much on my radar. So I tried to work with these other organizations helping our brothers and sisters that are being persecuted and go through difficult times. And as we know that it's all gonna end up very much focused around Israel and Jerusalem. As our gets closer to our Lord returning,

Reverend Ben Cooper: 3:43

this certainly does, if I could put you two on us. Right, straight on our Where do you reckon we are sitting? Come on, there's so much stuff bubbling in the airways. In the book of Revelation. What do you think? Are we seeing the great falling away from the church? Are we are we seeing the rise of yet? Where are we there's so much bubbling around at the moment, if you had to put a pound on it, what you will do go whereabouts would you say we are?

Brian Greenaway: 4:09

Well, for me, I have to say we're there. And I think we've been there for a few years, I would say the whole COVID thing has definitely polarized the church, like it's never done before. And I and I think that you know, what's happening. And I don't know if we've got time even to look at the new world order, but things like that, cause we have been bubbling away for years, but now it's coming to the forefront. And I would say that the falling away that we read about in Thessalonians has begun. That will obviously increase. And if I mean one can't put a date on our Lord's return, but I am very comfortable that I don't think we'll be sitting around this table at my 70th birthday is amazing. I don't think so. That's the main you know that we'll be sitting still talking about it. Yeah, yeah.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 4:59

Do you feel Oh, well, I really feel that time has accelerated like never before. And I never thought I would see what we've actually seen happening within the church itself that the things that happened in the craziness, the I would say the falling away from the Scripture, I can't believe the denominations that are sliding and slipping all the way from the word and then when you look at Israel, what you mentioned about the One World Order one world government, even the banks, I know this might seem a bit strange to people in Swanley, but within Swan itself, we have no more high street banks. So you we are seeing are dropping away in this area? Well, I think it's gonna be one is that correct? young and older, one bank, one monetary one, one government we are heading and it feels to me that we're really smoothly moving to this sort of system.

Brian Greenaway: 5:48

Yeah, and from a sort of an Israel or Jewish perspective is so interesting things that maybe will go under the radar. Because you know, people say that they or the church is irrelevant, etc. What does it matter anymore? The majority of the world population would say that, yet we see this strange dispute going on in Jerusalem where there is church land, and, you know, a lot of land in Israel has historically been owned by churches, like the Greek Orthodox Church, the Russian Orthodox Church for hundreds of years. And there is a real disputes arising over land that has been sold by the Greek Orthodox Church, to Jewish people, to the Rabbinate, to be precise. And also there's a Russian Orthodox Church that is becoming that the hotbed of disagreement between Russia and Israel. I grew up in Israel flies into Syria, they knock out Iranian armed ships, Hezbollah, all this stuff's going on. They've allowed Israel to do that for ages, but actually the hotspot now Yeah, okay. Ukraine is in there. That's a Jewish issue as well. But there's all that going on. But the dispute that Israel and Russia in particular are falling out with Russia falling out with Israel over is this Russian Orthodox Church, they're saying it's ours and Israel saying this is an Israel, this is historic thing. They say, No, it's out. So Putin himself has got involved in a dispute over a church in Israel. And they say the church isn't relevant yet. Is it the Flashpoint?

Reverend Ben Cooper: 7:02

It's a flashpoint they're focused on everything is happening through it, and within it. And off air. We was just talking about Genesis. Yeah. Roy, can you gently bring us in to some form of?

Brian Greenaway: 7:15

Well, one of the things we talk of, you know, the great falling away? Yeah. And, and just looking at that, even 3040 years ago, I did a paper thesis on it was to do with my accreditation as Assemblies of God, Minister. So this is we're talking early 1990s. And the paper was on a literal six day creation. Yes. As you know, there are lots of lots of evangelical Christians believe that the universe is millions and millions of years old. They don't and deception and off, I believe in a six day creation. Well, in that paper, I actually write that there is there is biblical proof that it was a 16 literal creation, let alone playing with the Hebrew for the word. Yeah, yeah. So just looking at the science that the Bible gives us the answer for science straight off the bat. No messing about. Yep. Okay. Sure. I'll give you an example. Yeah. Okay. Right off. The first date says and God, you know, it said, you know, let there be light. Yes. Well, we know natural light was not created to the fourth day. Yeah, so the sun and everything that we know of light. Yeah. Was not around till the fourth day. Yeah. So what what is this light? Well, there is two different kinds of light is preeminent light. Which there is that there is evidence in Scripture that it exists. And whether my paper went was the fact that before Adam blew it in the garden, the spiritual realm in the physical realm, well, one of the same. Okay, so you had celestial beings like Lucifer? Yeah. Okay, being present in the physical realm, because he could, but when Adam blew it, the spiritual realm was torn away from the physical realm. Okay, so immediately, Adam no longer was immortal. He became mortal man.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 9:12

So are we saying that just get my head around this just for a moment? What we're saying is before it was blown in a garden, yeah, you could literally see the spiritual entities as physical beings. Absolutely. 100% I get that. I

Brian Greenaway: 9:28

mean, if even if you take Lucifer, his appearance in a tree as a snake as a snake he was but he was able to do that. It'd be because he had permission to be in the garden, even though he fell.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 9:38

So he Yeah, so he had the permission to be in that place. Okay,

Brian Greenaway: 9:42

because the spiritual realm and the physical realm, one this, a lot of Christians don't understand that. The Adam was absolutely unique. You see, Lucifer was a creative being but he was a celestial being or is a celestial being. Adam, but he was far superior because he was clear I did not only for the spiritual realm, but the physical realm as well. Whereas Lucifer was only created for the spiritual, the spiritual realm. So when the physical world tore away from the spiritual realm, then new spiritual laws come into play. Lucifer, himself could not physically inhabit the physical realm. He couldn't say, the spiritual realm.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 10:24

So just accelerate into the New Testament. Sure, one place that brings me to what you're saying is we when we look at the spiritual realm, they need a vehicle. And that vehicle may be a human beings. So we find that at the communion table where it says Satan entered into Judas Iscariot, okay, so would you say that there is a coming together as the spiritual world using the human being, as well?

Brian Greenaway: 10:51

Okay. Yeah, well, yes, but basically what what happened after the fall, the spiritual realm in the physical realm was separated. Now, if I take you quickly, quick survey through scriptures, this preeminent light immediately disappeared, because the spiritual, the this preeminent light, we know is seven times greater than natural light. Now, the standard model of physics is flawed, or it's incomplete because they only have four falses. Well, there is a fifth false and the Bible makes this very clear, if you look at it, that is this fifth, false now, every time you have, like an angelic visitation, that is brilliant light, appears, Jesus on the Damascus Road. And I'm not talking about the Shekinah glory that no not transcended during time of Solomon. But generally speaking, when, when a angelic being broke from the spiritual realm into the physical realm, there was this presence of preeminent light. Now we've got a verse of Scripture that proves that preeminent light is far superior than natural light, because in Isaiah, it says that during the millennium, and I believe in a literal millennium, yes, that the sun will be seven times brighter. That's what Isaiah says, Well, it can't be seven times brighter with natural light, because it'd be seven times hotter. So natural light has photon. So any scientists would tell you you, if you turn the sun up seven times brighter,

Reverend Ben Cooper: 12:26

we're gone. Even one, even one dial

Brian Greenaway: 12:29

without it doesn't so. So preeminent light is seven times greater. So when the Lord returns at the Second Coming, he's going to reestablish it as it was before the fall. And one of those things is that the spiritual realm will come back and be in harmony with the physical realm. So what we will see it's hard for us to grasp, living for 1000 years, the light will be seven times brighter. Of course, that light is outside of time. So that brings in another whole equation, which I haven't got time to go into. But going back to your point about, take it through into the New Testament. As you look through the Old Testament, you'll see angelic beings coming into the physical realm. Well, Satan has clearly looked, has from the time of the fall to remove the seed of Adam. Sure. And part of that is to come in and breach into the physical realm. Well, he did that through the nephron him.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 13:29

So I was gonna say that, yeah, my pronunciation is completely different, I'd say in the phillium, so Frou Frou, that Yep, that false?

Brian Greenaway: 13:38

Okay, the Nephi, the Nephilim. Okay, you've got to go into some books that are not in the canon, like, for example, the Book of Enoch, and other books of Jubilees, etc, where there are numerous accounts that harmonize. Yes, the rise of the Torah, why Moses wrote,

Reverend Ben Cooper: 13:57

so could we also when we look at this, these fallen, these fallen beings, would we put them in the bracket of the sons of gods,

Brian Greenaway: 14:06

correct base by by basically what happens before the flood? You had the Nephilim? They were hybrids. Yeah, they weren't. They were not just giants. They were hybrids. They were half angelic, the very thing that Satan could not be right, because Satan long to be alive.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 14:26

Yeah, he that was the ultimate or that is it.

Brian Greenaway: 14:29

There's a whole sermon around why Lucifer lost the plot. You know, when Adam was created, you know, something that believed that Lucifer fell before Adam created now, the great rebellion, I believe, took place after Adam was created. He couldn't hack it. And there is scriptures that I would use to support that view. And I would even preach the fact that part of the rebellion that lucid were a third he took out from you know, that God, Lucifer and a third was on the basis of that what God had created and what the Lord had with Adam

Reverend Ben Cooper: 15:03

was so far superior than what he had with before the Fallen angelic jealousy jumps into the arena with pride with pride and anger, everything. Absolutely, I can see I can see really clearly what you're saying.

Brian Greenaway: 15:19

So move it moving on that, that when the flood came, he completely destroyed the Nephilim. Okay, completely destroyed. So then saying, Well, okay, you've got Goliath, etc. Well, Goliath was not of the Nephilim. It was a mutation, DNA mutation of the Nephilim hybrid. So, so I personally believe and there is there is a snapshot in the genealogies around ham, hams, descendants, you end up with, you can see the Giants, the Reverend him coming through there. So that was a mutation of the DNA. So there's a good possibility that hems wife had some kind of DNA with that maybe her ancestors Nephilim sort of relation

Reverend Ben Cooper: 16:05

to some trace become where in what family what people

Brian Greenaway: 16:09

forget is that the Nephilim dominated the world for 900 layers.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 16:13

They did very powerful, very dark, false,

Brian Greenaway: 16:16

it was 900 years. I mean, that is serious top find the

Reverend Ben Cooper: 16:20

church within the UK never mentions this sort of stuff, because it is not it's frightened to go down the road. It has to wave the flag of revival roll around on rollerskates say everything's okay. ignoring everything that is real biblical truth at this moment. So the what we are talking about is serious subjects, which have affected us where we sit today.

Brian Greenaway: 16:43

Yep. And so we've what you're saying is that the spiritual realm and the physical physical realm have periodically been breached? Satan can only breach it with legal right? Try your heavenly Father does not need legal right, because He's sovereign. So an advent of, say, my court or even Gabriel appearing, they don't need legal right, because God gives permission. But Satan, he will be trespassing. So he's looking for legal way in Hawaiian. Okay, back way, okay. And way, way. Absolutely. And we see this periodically throughout the Old Testament where sin brought legal rights and permission for the permission to come in. So as you go through history, we're getting now into what I believe very much the last days we're in. And so the spiritual climate over the world has dramatically changed. And this this, this book, that my second book that I'm working on, and I've done a lot of research in evidence of the Nephilim. And it's there. It's very important for us to understand death. And the reason is, is that that it's very clear in the gospels, it says as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be with the coming of the Son of Man. And that's where we are, and what's happening now the spiritual realm is becoming more tangible and breaching into the physical realm. So by the time we get to the Great Tribulation, yes, there will be Manifestations of the spiritual realm opening and be breached. So you will have, okay celestial beings being present in the physical realm.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 18:23

I completely I absolutely believe what you are saying, because I have felt round about the beginning of lockdown the spiritual atmosphere, and I don't like use the word climate. I'd be very careful. I use this for certain other reasons. Yep. There has been a change, there has been a shift in the atmosphere. Yes. And you don't even need to be a believer to be picking things up that something is not right within the atmosphere and with what's going on across the globe. Yeah, that has to be the spiritual move of where we sit in n times, the biblical references that were saying, so I honestly believe with all my heart everything we're saying and what you're bringing and what you're teaching and everything is critical for the church within the UK. Yeah, absolutely critical even across the pond, our friends in America because we seem to swerve all this eschatology, the rapture of the church, we seem to push all this away within the UK and say everything's floating in everything wonderful, which can be a great revival tempt meetings this this this one actually we are ignoring as leaders, I would say that and be bold enough to say the truth of the matter. And that is because the EU or mass percentage or a percentage of the UK within the church is biblically illiterate.

Brian Greenaway: 19:41

And I would say what you've said could, you know be said of New Zealand as well? Because, yeah, New Zealand, though it's different in many ways. The church problems are very much the same. And and the things that you come against, and I would say I'm mostly only one of a few Ministers that would talk the way we're talking now, in England, I would say I'm just one of the few not many. And in fact many though I do itinerant ministry, many pastors would most probably not have me talk about this I can understand in their church which which is fine, and it's their call.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 20:17

Yeah. But Isn't it refreshing to hear someone talking about where we actually sit in the calendar of the world with Israel, the Bible everything, one world government, what is happening with this government, the craziness what what the lawlessness and everything that's going on? If we don't as the church within the UK, literally grasp the Word of God? Yeah, we are going to be in serious trouble.

Brian Greenaway: 20:41

You see, the evidence is all out there. For example, we talk about the Nephilim. And there'll be many of your listeners thinking, Oh, another fad? Well, I mean, I've researched this for nearly three years, and I've found overwhelming evidence of the existence of the Nephilim. I'm not talking about their bones now. And their skulls. But there are, there are things that I've got folders, which will be in the book of proving that there were incredible giants. You see, Goliath was only nine for the definition work. We're maybe three times taller than that. So the Nephilim were far superior than Goliath. Yes. Okay. And what what they construct, I'll give you just one example. You can go to Siberia through a forest, and there is evidence of a wall on top of a mountain. And the blocks each weigh over 1200 tonne. Okay, the geologists say, Oh, it's just natural marks. But you look at it, and you get people that have viewed it and measured it. And that you can say that is a wall that has stood, some believe that aliens put it there many years ago. Yeah. I'm not of that. I'm very much that that was constructed around about 6000 years ago by the Nephilim. You know? Yeah. And that's just one example.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 22:02

It's just one example. Just one example. I think I'll be in agreement with you, because there are things around certain areas of this planet that, that there was no way that a normal human being had the strength and the physicality even in their mass numbers to do what they do. Correct. So there has to be more. Yeah, rather than at coming back to earth, there has to be something more powerful. Yes. And it can only be from the Word of God. Yeah, it can only be

Brian Greenaway: 22:29

and sort of bringing Israel back into into the center, because Because Israel will be center in the last days as we know. And and I love talking to Brian about Israel quite a lot, but never get bored talking about it. But one thing I followed for many, many years, is the desire to rebuild the temple because I am a great advocate that the temple will be rebuilt because of the subject because of what Paul says, yeah. Okay. What is interesting is the fact just in the last year is that they've genuinely cloned the red heifer. Okay, they will they haven't cloned they've bred it for years and years, they tried to clone the red heifer, and failed miserably. But there's two breeding stations in Israel, where they've last year they produced one red heifer, that's without blemish a problem. The problem is it has to be killed within a certain period, because after about six, seven weeks or more, it produces a blemish right here or white hair. Okay. It's got to be we've got to be without without a blemish. Okay, so it's got to be a pure red hair.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 23:30

We're already on that journey, aren't we? Oh, there there. Were there. There's one pinpoint a biblical reference already. Yes.

Brian Greenaway: 23:38

I mean, I don't really know where Brian stands on this. But as far as I'm concerned, I think it's, it's going to be significant. That is what the Antichrist will achieve. Because at the moment, there is no real strong political will, in Israel for the for it to be rebuilt on the Temple Mount. And I think that has to happen. And I think, you know, the antichrist that we've talked about for many years, will have the clout and the influence to be able to make that happen without the next world war breaking out. Yeah.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 24:11

It's really interested in what's happening. The Biblical calendar, you know, you're talking about one world government, we talked about what Roy's talking about the spiritual bands, and certainly the atmosphere is very different. Yes, there is something in the heavenlies there is something which is not normal of this world. And the discussions we've had about Israel and that clock ticking within that. It's just really powerful.

Brian Greenaway: 24:35

In days. I'm thrilled that I'm living these days rather than 2000 years ago, you know, yeah. In my early Christian life, I used to dream our Lord I've loved to been, you know, the Romans have been around when you was here and what you do the miracles and we get that. But, but, but we're so privileged to live in these days, okay, it's not gonna be a picnic. I mean, we're living in Die dies. But hey, when we live in a generation that that may never taste the death I mean that

Reverend Ben Cooper: 25:07

that is that is beyond human understanding. Yeah. Can I just backtrack a Michael, you know, we got about 15 minutes or so and I know Brian sitting there normally, we're literally we're gonna drain Roy, I'm afraid they're gonna we're gonna pull some stuff from Roy, Roy Kent, can you just just open up a little bit more for the people that may have within the UK not really heard for probably say, never really heard of the word in the phillium? Like, what, what, where? And how very quick fired without going into mass detail. How would you put it in layman's terms? If someone is sitting on the other end at the desk game? What are they talking about? Where is this in the Bible? What are you referring to? I've never heard the English preacher talk about that.

Brian Greenaway: 25:53

Okay, well, basically, you go to Genesis six, and in that we get a very clear sign for a reason why God is needed to destroy or flood the world. People just see it as God's judgment. It was more than that. God wasn't just punishing people because people were bad. He was actually preserving the human race. Because if you intervene, then that's very important. Absolutely. It was. It was a mercy act. It was a mercy act.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 26:20

And so often we hear the opposite, don't we? Sure. So yeah, I see exactly and completely understand what we're saying. Yeah, an act of mercy to save Yes. What was already on.

Brian Greenaway: 26:32

So forgetting the word, nickname, let's just say basically what happened. We've got an idea that, that we get this term, the watches from Daniel watches were haven't got time to open up. But basically, they were angelic beings that were able to breach into the fiscal realm. And the breach is in Scripture, and I haven't got time to explain what that is okay. But to keep it simple, is that it was possible that angelic beings were able to come physically, and they they they married, they didn't rape, they married, they entered into covenant relationships with with with women. And with that came advanced technology. And there's evidence of this vast technology that was way beyond its time. This is five and a half, 1000 years ago, years ago. And what happens the Nephilim got greater and greater. And the, the whole plan was to remove the seed of Adam. Yeah, okay. Because right from the beginning, Lucifer knew that the redemption, the redemptive plan, was see through Adam through the seed of Adam, and so

Reverend Ben Cooper: 27:45

if he could take Adam and the seed out, okay, we've lost redemption gone. Yep. So then we come up to the cross, don't we?

Brian Greenaway: 27:53

Absolutely. Okay. So keeping it fixed on what was taking place up to the flood up to the flood, is that God was so merciful, that that he he sent a prophet like Enoch. Yeah. And then you had a man called Methuselah. Okay. heard of him? Yeah, he let he's like, he lived for quite a few years. But basically, he was like, the person that carried the notice. And in fact, he died in the year of the flood. He was the prophetic guy that lived through that period. And it his name actually says that, you know, the, in his year he dies, the judgment will come. So when he died, now a new a game was up, flood is coming this year. Anyway, that's another story. So so we see that God in His mercy, didn't just suddenly decide, right, I'm going to flood the world. He spoke through Enoch, the Enoch preached it, then Methuselah was there. And so even Noah, during him building the ark would have declared made people aware what was happening. And so the judgment was to preserve the human race. That's the seed of Adam. And then as you get after that, you get the invasion, again, trying to remove and even right up to the Second World War, you've got that see trying to be removed with a redemptive seed. So yeah, that's the best answer I can give you in the time I've

Reverend Ben Cooper: 29:25

got Nanos great, really interesting stuff isn't. So now we can really get an understanding of why the atmosphere is the way it is why there's one world government when you when you look and your back, you go back through scripture, and you have a look and you have a study and you bring everything together. As we said, I feel really privileged to actually be a believer at this point to say, and I feel protected. Do you feel like this is okay, yeah, I've got no issues or no worries. I'm not worried about what the world is doing. I'm not worried about what's going on. As long as I keep in the word and Keeping my colon and keep doing what I should be doing. It feels that we are seeing some really interesting spiritual things that we are privileged to see Israel, what you what you're bringing interesting stuff what you're talking about the book. So then two books. So Roy, the first book that you wrote was behind the plague of Egypt. Yes. Yeah. How can we get ahold of that?

Brian Greenaway: 30:24

Yeah, just just email me, Roy underscore, we're on@hotmail.com. And I can get it to them. That's fine. Or go to my my website as resources. That's my website that deals with the persecuted church in the Middle East. Yeah. And so you can purchase it through that.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 30:41

Okay. And then you've got the new one coming out soon. Hopefully, that will be

Brian Greenaway: 30:45

published later this year on just in the process of fine tuning it?

Reverend Ben Cooper: 30:49

Yeah, sure. Yeah. Just a little tweaks, and that's behind the days of Noah. Yep.

Brian Greenaway: 30:53

And that really addresses the signs that will happen in our days. So it doesn't address the theology, or the doctrine or the placement of the rapture, know that. It deals with the things that happened at the time of Noah, which will, and it's starting to happen now. And to understand that, and one of the main things, one of the main signs is that you and I will physically see things happen in the sky, the changes, the weird stuff will happen in Scott. Now I'm not talking UFOs.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 31:25

No, you're talking about nature. I talked about actual nature

Brian Greenaway: 31:28

in the sky as in terms of strange things happening with with the stratosphere. So for example, there have been seen bright lights, strange lights that suddenly disappear. Yeah, okay. No lights that come on. And they think it's like a UFO, but it's like a sphere. Yeah, brilliant light, and it suddenly moves and suddenly disappears. These are symptoms of preeminent light starting to break in to the physical realm.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 32:00

So what we're talking about, it's not a not a UFO. No, it is a biblical reference to the last days, basically, that we will see unusual spiritual sightings that we've never seen before with the human eye, seeing the spirit world, like we've never seen it before.

Brian Greenaway: 32:21

Correct. Now, I'm not saying that your listeners will see angels or anything like that, what I'm saying is that the phenomenon will take place will be so misunderstood, it will be interpreted by scientists, even NASA, like this is some kind of sphere that we don't understand. And it could be alien, etc. And so a lot of people will get on the bandwagon. And they

Reverend Ben Cooper: 32:48

use that terminate terminology a lot that night. Alien. Yeah. And so there has been unusual sightings. And the first word in that comes out from anywhere like that is it has to be aliens, when actually, if you was to study what you're saying, and to look up really clearly and briefly, biblical references, we will find the answers very clearly that it's that spirit world the end time coming, can I use this terminology coming down the timeline? To us, it's come in this way. Our physical eyes are gonna see spiritual entities or the the the light the unusual life.

Brian Greenaway: 33:30

But basically, I, I believe that in the coming years, and I'm not talking 1020 30 years, matter of years now. Yeah. Now, there will be more and more evidence of strange sightings. And when I say strange sightings, what I mean by that, things that are not natural, or can be understand, some would say, Oh, it's a fabrication. It's some conspiracy thing. But there will be things happening like light, or several beams of light appear little round circles of light, that do all things and then suddenly disappear. And people think they're spacecraft. And what's happening is, is that it's the beginning of an invasion into the physical realm that will take place, which will take place in the Great Tribulation we know by by scripture, yeah, the complete breach will happen in the great tribulation, and I haven't got time to explain what's gonna happen there. But before then, there's even in my book, I do a whole chapter on on a rogue planet. There are rogue planets out there and one is on its way here. There has been taught that there is a another planet in our solar system. That's why I think the last two or three years are looking for this ninth planet. Well, they won't find a ninth planet as such. What is coming is the places planets like Uranus and Neptune there, they will start to fluctuate more in their orbit. And we are not going to see this planet turn up. All right, but we know that there is going to be in the Great Tribulation, a third of the sun and the third of the stars will disappear. Yes. Now we know if we just just take the crucifixion. All right. A planet appeared in front of the sun. It wasn't a lunar eclipse, because the longest lunar eclipse is seven minutes. We know that the sun was darkened for three hours. The Christians will say, Oh, the Lord did that supernaturally. Well, yes, he did. But he did it by using another planet, a planet that passed through and left our solar system. And so there is a record, okay. And this might be a bit too controversial for your listeners. But there is a pattern that this row planet comes periodically throughout the Old Testament into our solar system, that God by His sovereignty has set a planet, row planet that travels out of our solar system and returns not exactly the same time. So it's all bits fluctuate. But the last time, you know that we would say it was here was mostly the crucifixion, though there is evidence that it came here 1060 ad. But if we're going to the Old Testament, you've got it at the time of Joshua. Joshua, you've got the time of Hezekiah. Yeah, okay. You also got it the time of the fall. You scientists talk about two major bombardments. They talk about the earlier bombardment and the latter. And so they say that the early bombardment is in 64 million years ago, when it wiped out the dinosaurs. Well, that's rubbish. Dinosaurs were around 6000 years ago and even went on the ark. And, and, and there's scientific evidence today that it was possible. Some of your listeners might be thinking, Oh, no, you know, what, where am I from? You know, but no, they weren't do DNA. DNA does not exist, you know, for 64 million years, and they've got DNA of dinosaurs. They've got even blood cells of dinosaurs. If you do your research, well, the evidence

Reverend Ben Cooper: 37:21

is clear. It is it's hidden. They want to hide it.

Brian Greenaway: 37:26

It's people just blind, they just don't want to see it. Okay. So just to clarify what I'm saying here is that this, this, this this planet, you know, we're not gonna say, oh, there it is. Because if it's a row planet, it doesn't generate light. Okay, it's a plan. It's traveling very, very fast. But we know for a fact, something supernatural happened at the time of Joshua, when he needed it not to go dark. He needed the sun to stand still. Yes. All right. And there are good good Christian scientists, Chris, that have got papers on this. That said it could have been a planet that came into our solar system just by sheer mass of gravity, the that our planet sort of arts 23 degrees and that went back in its wake as it passed through the solar system. Okay, so this is not just me on this is not just there are people who are more qualified than I that could explain to you that phenomena. And of course, the crucifixion it says there was a historical figure and said that the stars came out. That's how dark it was in Rome during the crucifixion. I mean, the stars come out during midday. I mean, that is dark, so beyond

Reverend Ben Cooper: 38:37

dark. So it's not as that as a spiritual press as well. Doesn't it make it dark? So we understand that, don't we?

Brian Greenaway: 38:43

Sure. But if we look at the natural phenomena, what God had done just that a lot of beginning of time this planet he brings in and out by his sovereign will, at the very moment to bring about and it would make why there was an earthquake at the time of the crucifixion as this this this planet pass between the Sun and the Earth they it didn't pass most probably in between the moment you know what I'm saying? It wasn't like right on your doorstep. So it would have been a long long way away but it affected the light but also it affected the planet.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 39:18

Yep, really interesting stuff in it. We could go on for hours. We could literally so so interesting, and so refreshing not to talk about revival. So blessed Lord, it's been great. It's been absolutely fantastic sitting here the time is actually whipped by Brian we just been sitting in amazement that we normally would get an oil cut of our boys did I mean but Roy Well, you know, this is really interesting stuff and we thank you so much for sharing and just for Brent being yourself and just sharing this stuff across the airwaves and and we thank God for our listeners as they share this out but it's very, very I'm interested in what you are saying in regarding where we sit, as a nation as a world, and everything has this Biblical calendar and it is ticking very quickly. Yeah. So what closing this? What should we look for? Where would a Christian go to go? Right? Okay, God. So do we keep looking at Israel? Do we keep looking for the red hair for the conversation of that? Because there are lots of people out there that will get quite worried about knowing what's going to happen. Help me understand the rapture, what what are the signs, you know, we get an idea because of ministers, but actually, a lot of ministers don't even believe in, okay.

Brian Greenaway: 40:46

Okay, the first big thing that that people will have to address, and that's going to happen in the next 12 months, is that there's going to be incredible famine and the world economy is going to collapse. Now, this is not a word of knowledge or prophecy. It's just the fact if you just read the signs of the times, I would say that I am not a politician. I'm not ever been a time for politics. But I think, coming out of the EU as the best thing that this nation has done, on the basis that you will find that the euro will collapse, the Euro is gonna go through the floor. And and so the first major thing you will see is that yeah, inflation is going through the roof. Yes, within the next few months, you'll be in a recession, that's going to happen. What's happening here is happening in New Zealand. So it's worldwide global again. Absolutely. And there's there is going to be more pressure put on politicians to bring it all about under one central government. And that, I think keeping your eye on that, in terms of the speed of that in terms of the world order that is coming, there's no. And what will happen is because the world economy is going to collapse. The other thing is keep in the Word of God, because that is where you get your base from that is the place. Yeah, in the Word of God. So yeah, I keep one eye on the wall because I mustn't be asleep. Now I've got to be awake and alert, but I keep my eye on God's word. And yeah, sadly, I have to say this, there will be pockets of revival not that's great. But there will be a falling away. And I think that will just get traction. As we go. I do say and this is gonna not go down to well around the world is that I see within five to 10 years is that the mega churches will be a thing of the past

Reverend Ben Cooper: 42:35

hallelujah, they Jesus at last well, I say that I can't. But that's that's what needs to happen because of what they are preaching. Right. where they're at. We we know that the word of God needs to come out in its fullness.

Brian Greenaway: 42:50

Yes, I'm not anti megachurch. I'm just saying that, that, sadly, the diet that most people are on going to those places will find that fear will grip them. And this is been highlighted in in the COVID thing. I mean, certain I'm not going to mention denominations, but certain churches in New Zealand, because of COVID that were mega churches were closed down for four months, absolutely closed down. They

Reverend Ben Cooper: 43:18

were saying it here that improve the streams in which we know. And through that grapevine, we know very clearly what's going on. And we'll be a fool not to admit it, these mega churches that have taken out enormous great mortgages, all that sort of stuff. Yep. bums on seats, build Money, money, money, money, money are suddenly gonna get caught in this world economy. Yeah. We know what's coming. Yeah. And we can see this in denominations as well, very clearly within the UK. When you come away from the Word of God.

Brian Greenaway: 43:50

Yeah, you're about to fall. Yeah. But I like to finish on a positive note. Come on. Christmas is coming right. Right now is the fact there are pockets of revival and that will continue, like in China. And just for, for your listeners to know that right now. There is the beginning of a revival in Afghanistan of all places yet. And Muslims will be coming to know the Lord. So. So I think it's wonderful.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 44:14

You've mentioned the word revival. And I have, but we are talking about a different revival, aren't we to what the church because there is there's two isn't there? There's this gimme cash revival. And the revival that we are you are speaking about the revival in the persecuted church. Yeah. The real body of Christ, where God is moving powerfully.

Brian Greenaway: 44:34

Yeah. My definition of revival is where there's a sovereign move of God that transforms not just individuals lives, but communities, rather than a church go from 100 to 1000, or 1000 to 10,000. It's not about not about a bad transformation of life. And and I'm not even I would say revival isn't necessarily about signs and wonders. I mean, I embrace that, and I've seen a few of my time you know, and I was involved with the Gypsy revival and I saw some things there that you know, that would bless you socks off. But I think that one of the hallmarks with with revival, a genuine revival, there's always persecution. And so if you look hard where persecution there is a good dose of the Holy Spirit moving in transforming lives and so I love to finish on the fact that hey though there is a falling away, God is still in and the church the kingdom of God is still advancing. Amen We

Reverend Ben Cooper: 45:30

love it. We thank you Brian. Thanks for bringing along Brian in a great though it's gonna be nice just encourages it,

Brian Greenaway: 45:40

it revives your spirit has to hear the truth of the Word of God. You know, I'm reminded of this friend of mine who went to a church don't separated in the UK and said to the pastor, do you ever teach on End Times? And he said, No, I never teach the beginning or the end of the Bible, because it's far too controversial. There we go. But isn't that the church?

Reverend Ben Cooper: 46:00

The church sadly that's where we sit, isn't it? It's where we sit Brian you know, we're gonna have to catch up so but thank you so much for bringing this lovely friend right to the mic today, Ryan, and we pray that God will and He will continue to bless you and your family, your traveling and and your ministry and everything that's going on with we thank you from the very bottom of our heart. And Brian will catch up, you know, in the next week or two with what we've been going through on Israel. And that's it. 47 minutes we've reached that place. May God bless you and strengthen you, wherever you are today. Even listen to Roy and a little bit of Brian on the anything of May today, which is really refreshing. And it's great to have our brother in the house. May God bless every one of you. You can find us on iHeartRadio you can find us on Buzzsprout, Spotify, and all these podcasting platforms. We are so blessed to be able to sit here in this tiny studio, listen to someone and Brian. Speak about the Word of God straight with biblical truths. That's what we need. We are lacking biblical truth. We are lacking sound doctrine. We are lacking sound doctrine, but we're there. Have a great afternoon wherever you are. God bless you in the mighty name of Jesus Christ. Amen.