Hello, and welcome. Thank you for joining us today. Wherever you are across the earth, we thank you so much for sharing everything that we're doing here at Elim church where we got our friend Roy on the other side of the mics today, and a great title that he's bringing to each and every one of us, wherever you are, thank you so much for sharing everything that we do here. And today's title is nature of the fall. And we have Roy for a few days a little bit longer before he disappears when you disappear. And Roy won't be till September how September. Oh, so it's a fair while yes, it's still a fair while ago, that he's with us today. And that's the most important thing as we capture some of the stuff that he's been studying and reading and God has been placed on his heart, as we just gather around the word of God. So we're going to hand over to Roy. And as we just listen, and as we be still grab yourself a coffee, relax, whether you're at home, whether you're at work, whether you're in the gym, listening to all this sort of stuff that we are pushing out here, we we really believe that we are living in very powerful times. And God is moving. Right. Let's go.
Roy:Yeah, I think it's all up with you. Ben, can I revisit a couple of things I said, in our last meeting, because I received a few emails from your listeners. And they weren't critical. They just wanted clarification of a couple of things. And so with the nature of of this informal chat that we're having, usually I'm teaching or preaching, so you're in full flow. So it's, it can be an informal comment, a bit clumsy. And I think I've been a little bit clumsy in terms of some of the things I've said without clarification. So there's just a couple of things, Ben, if I just want to revisit backtrack. Yep. I mean, like one of the things. A couple of your listeners sent an email say I got the impression that I didn't have any confidence in the Scofield Bible or the translation. And I want to put it in context. I mean, I think the Scofield Bible that was printed in 1909, was very, very good, Ben, because it was the Authorized Version. It was from the Textus Receptus. But the point I was making is that it was the first study Bible. And what Scofield did, he put commentaries dispensational commentaries alongside the verses that's correct in the Bible. And so by 1914 90, and 15, as the broker the First World War, books were flying off the shelf, the Bibles were flying off the shelf. But what happened, people will actually read in the Bible and thinking that, that though God's words, infallible, they looked to the side notes of dispensational teaching and thought they were infallible, too. And so. So what happened? You've got a lot of pastors, and that that is basically accepting as the gospel, an old creation, right. And so there is a lot a lot of Christians around today that would say that from Genesis one, verses one and two addresses a very old creation, and then creation began in little six days. Right. Well, the point I'm making is that's not the case. The the creation that we know of, of the universe is young. And it's 6000 years old. Yeah. And so then it ties in with with my other point, is that I mentioned, when I said that the Spirit of God hovered over the world, as I said, it was a some kind of plasma soup. Well, that got a bit of interest by some of your listeners. What's this plasma soup? Ben? Well, it clearly. And this is going to be sound exegesis, because I'm going to use a couple of verses to do with this, that when you read the text in verse two, it says, The Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the walnuts. And so we read the word welders. Yeah. And so we would literally say, well, there we have it, Roy, there is water. And so that might be the remains of the Lucifer flood. That was the period where God judged Lucifer, before He created the earth as we know it today. And so a lot of people view that that proves that there was millions and millions of years before God went to work 6000 years ago, on the creation we have today, well, that is weak theology, very weak, okay. It's very weak theology. Because if we go to Alma, take your listeners to verse 16. And here in verse 16, it says that God made two great lights, the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night and he made the stars also. Now, okay, let's let's just clarify this. Science is very good with Bible I don't sort of in interpret the Bible in light of science, what I do I interpret science in the light of the Bible I'm in right that's what I do. Correct. So So let's just throw science on this verse 16, keeping sound exegesis of the text. Okay? We know when we read that when God created two great lights, he was creating the sun and the moon. Now we get that. But what sciences says hold on a moment, they're not literally two lights, there's only one light anyone because the moon doesn't generate a light. In fact, it reflects the light of the sun. So the moon basically is a dead planet. Yeah. Now, science explains that and we know from science that it controls the tides, okay, and we know how it works, right? But it doesn't undermine Scripture because Scripture is clear that there are two great lies a greater light and a less alias. And so we know that in verse 16, when when Moses penned this, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, he was talking about the sun and the moon. Now we're safe to do that. Yeah. 100%. Okay, so let's just take the same application of that verse 16. And now apply it, where we see that the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. And when you get to this word water, people think it's h2o. Well, h2o is made up of three atoms to hydrogen and one oxygen. Yeah, well, atoms weren't even created there at this point. Right. So when I said it was some kind of plasma soup. Alright. Science has proved just recently that what Moses was looking at, or the state of what the Spirit of the Lord was hovering over, was what they call Okay, Quirk, gluon plasma. Okay, yeah, right. Now, I know it's a bit of a mouthful, but listeners just just, just listen just just by with me on this. Okay. Quick, quote, glory. gluon plasma, is something that they've identified by smashing atoms together, just short at the speed of light. Now, there are new numerous. Let me get this right, sort of colliding instruments around the world. You've got the famous one at Geneva. Okay, the CERN collider, that's massive. But the one that interests me is what is one in in Brookhaven in America, where it's 2.4 miles long. And what they did, they smashed these atoms together. Now what they found as a neat, I mean, this is top drawer science, because billions are being paid, you know, to do these experiment money. All right. Now, the guys that seen this, now that we're talking secular science, so we're not talking secular science, that when they observe this, they saw when they smashed these atoms and has incredible heat, that it it produced this quirk gluon plasma. Now, let me use an illustration. They said that it actually looked like this, this this plasma was not really, technically technically it was a plasma, but it didn't look like a plasma. In fact, it looked like a liquid where, where they've actually noted this, it has the properties of what it looked like was water. Wow. All right, this this, Quirk gluon plasma, that was seen, it looked like it was water. Now I want to use an illustration. In the terms of Moses getting this revelation and seeing the Spirit of God hover over the waters. In front of us, we've got this jar of water. Okay, now if we didn't get to other jars, absolutely the same. And and if I filled one jar up with white spirit, and I filled up another one with vodka to look at, by our eyesight you would see yet the author Emma water, the properties you look at using our eyesight, you will look at it, Volker, is it vodka? Is it white spirit? Now when we use another sense, you go and sniff the white spirit. You know, that is definitely not water. You might not know what white spirit is, but you know, it's not water. And it's the same with the vodka. If you taste the vodka, maybe you've never tasted vodka before. You can say now that is not walnut. Yeah. So what I'm saying is that it has the properties of looking like water, but it's not water. So what's happening here is that before God actually created and brought the atoms together, because what a quirk is a quirk makes up a proton, a neutron, which actually makes up an atom. So we can really,
Reverend Ben Cooper:really we're really going into it going right
Roy:into this. And also it talks about void and darkness war course you were born in darkness, because there was no preeminent light. When preeminent light starts. It was separated from the darkness and we talked about it making gravity causing a sphere to be formed a world to rotate. So I'm just going back to this, this plasma, alright? Just to look at that, that plasmid they have even just recently finding what they call exotic quirks. Yeah, different flavors, different kinds, they look in about another 21. So, so in the last few years, they're starting to find out more and more of what things look like before they will create it as an atom. So when we look at verse two, here, we're looking at a picture of something before Heavenly Father brought together and formed atoms for before.
Reverend Ben Cooper:So really, is quite simple. When you when you take it biblically, absolutely. But then suddenly, you can get it really complicated. But you've explained it. And it took a lot for me to listen to that, but I can understand, but through the power of the Holy Spirit as well, the Holy Spirit obviously, helps us to get understanding. So science to me just confirms what you're reading.
Roy:What it does it, it amplifies God's word for us. Yeah. Because, you know, for years as a child and growing up, you know, you look at that, and you think it's natural water. And initially, you will have any problem but if you if you take verse 16, all right, we know it's the moon, we know it's the sun, but sciences Hold on a moment, there is not too little different lights, it's one light one, okay? It's not undermining scripture is explained to explain it. So when you come to this world, the face of the waters, okay, it's to actually see it, okay, or view it in a vision, it could easily have the properties of water, just as I gave the example of vodka and white spirit in a club in the same glass. It looks identical. It's only when you use your other senses, that you know that that it's very much not water, and you go further, you dig deeper. So that's really what I want you to tie up for your listeners that I'm very comfortable. When the Spirit of God hovered over the waters, it wasn't h2o, you know, that sits well with me. So moving on, then the nature of the fall, this is quite important for us, because you obviously know Ben that the moment that Adam and Eve, trespassed in the garden, and at from the tree of knowledge that they saw himself naked, they saw they covered themselves, but they're covering wasn't enough. So Heavenly Father makes the first blood sacrifice, and he covers them. And so we start to see immediately after the fall, the importance of blood sacrifice. And so there's a load of spiritual laws that start to really start to take place. Now what I just want to, you know, just briefly sort of talk about is this dynamic of some of your listeners will remember from our last chat, that before the fall, the spiritual realm, and the physical realm was one of the same. Yep. And so the light in that was far superior than the natural light. And not in it. Many, many theologians have the view that there was a water canopy that was around the earth because there was no natural rain until the flood, and I believe that that water canopy at the flood collapsed. That was part of what we call the second great bombardment of our planet. Scientists says there were two major bombardments in the history of our planet over millions and millions of years. Well, I will say that there were two major bombardments over 6000. Yeah, the first being the fold, the second being a flood the flood, right. So the first the fold, what actually took place when the spiritual realm was suddenly torn away from the physical realm. It affected creation. Now, I'm not going to patronize your listeners and explain the changes of the physical reveal, because we know that, you know, animals started to prey on other animals, they started to become weeds, women started to have problems with childbirth with pains. We see all that because of the fall.
Reverend Ben Cooper:So the fall has affected everything so that when you spoke about two different major areas that have come to the world, the worst one that we could ever have insane. Has to be the first one because the first one affected everything correct?
Roy:Absolutely. And there is evidence. Yeah, okay. Scientific evidence of what they called the Early great bombardment. Okay, there's the early now they're talking of multi millions of years, possibly billions of years. That's that's their timeframe. Up. So let's forget about the timeframe and bring it back to the fact there was a major bombardment now. Let's just cast the iron off the planet Earth. Yeah. The spiritual realm is being torn away. Now. For today if you jumped on a rocket and went all the way to Mars, do you honestly believe if you get to Mars, you want to experience temptation. have, you know what I'm trying to say is that, that Satan's kingdom, right, though we talk about the world, we think, Oh, it's just on planet Earth. So if we all move to Mars, we'll be okay. There be no sin, apart from around immortal failings, and so to live on Mars will be like living in the millennium. Okay, where we're more about many still will be mortal. But there isn't the curse. We're free. All right, well, or even we live on the moon. Now, of course, I'll see you. Smiling. You get where I'm going with it. Really, when the spiritual realm was torn from the physical realm, it went right through the cosmos. So when you start exploring our solar system, let's just talk our solar system, let alone distant galaxies. Everyone would say that a creationists would say look at the beauty of satin, wonderful, beautiful planet in its rings. Well, yes, I accept. It's a beautiful planet looks great. But you see those rings, when you look at them is devastation. Its destruction, it speaks speaks of death, it speaks of destruction. Now, God did not put all those little rocks around the Sun. In those early days, you know, before the fall, that is a result of the fall and of the spiritual realm being torn away from the physical realm. So even now, scientists have identified that the rings are, are getting smaller and smaller, because it's been eaten up by satin. But if it was billions and billions of years old, then there should be no rings today because of the rate that they are actually being removed. Got it. The rings are getting smaller. Because those rocks, okay, actually been sucked into the gravitation and into the planet of Saturn. So that is one aspect if we just take her moon, right, this is the other one. This kind of plasma blast that went that went right through the cosmos, the very moment that the preeminent light disappeared. Right. It's still around today. That's the fifth force. We talked to footfalls Yeah, it's exists, it's there. Hopefully God willing that they will identify it, you know, they're getting closer and closer, and I pray that they will, because that will really
Reverend Ben Cooper:open up a new chapter. Yeah, it will read it will really just
Roy:quite a few things. But of course, they will interpret very different very new and I bet yeah, cool in the light of Scripture. Okay, so when you just take you know, the Mona, we all know that the moon always faces us and it controls the tides wheel. So there's a lot that your listeners will know about the moon, but to view the moon. This is a fact. Okay, is that there is a high percentage of the real glyph that's that's that's like the mental that covers like on earth, there is a real glyph that's like the topsoil and until you get down to the bedrock. Okay, so it's the cloak around the planet. Well, the real glyph on the face of the moon this side, a lot of it has gone gone, is gone. Completely gone. And also they see on the on this side, there was volcanic eruptions. And there's evidence, well, volcanoes and lava flows on the moon. Now, of course that was not in creation. No, because Because when God first on sick day six, he said it was very good. All right, there wasn't still some volcano bubbling away. There wasn't something that still needed tidying
Reverend Ben Cooper:up, finished. Complete. Good. Totally. Just
Roy:as Jesus on the cross. It is finished. Bang, bang. Yeah. So when God says it is good, so it's very good. You gotta say, everything has its place.
Reverend Ben Cooper:And I think what's important there, Roy when God says good, and very good, that is different to the human interpretation that whatever we think is great and beautiful and wonderful. It's far beyond what we could ever imagine. So if God says it's very good and good, yeah, we can never fathom the beauty of it.
Roy:And that reminds me of the words of Jesus. You see, Jesus brings it home doesn't need when he said, No man is good, except God. Exactly. You know, and that's a tall order, which we get it we are, we understand, the child's good. We will celebrate, you know, of course, we do that kind of thing. And we know that, but if God says, might here is my son, my good and faithful servant, you know, that kind of thing. If God says it's good, it's good.
Reverend Ben Cooper:It's good. And that's that is beyond human interpretation. Well, it is,
Roy:and it's hard, you know, to better it.
Reverend Ben Cooper:So when you talk about what you're talking about the universe, there's bits and pieces and there's this disruption. That is not that is outside of creation, that when I say outside of creation, God did not create that he spoke and when he created But it was beyond Perfect. Perfect. Good. So what was it that caused the what you're saying? Okay,
Roy:well, everything right through the whole cosmos was perfect. Or on day seven, let's plan that way. On going seven when God rested, you know, Shabbat, you know, the Sabbath when it was all good. Everything was perfect. And so even all the galaxies were, well, were complete. And there was no black holes, there are things, there is things in the universe that we're observing that just speaks of death decay, okay, which which is the hallmark of Darrow Adam, even up the dominion to Lucifer. So when
Reverend Ben Cooper:you think about that, when you think now, as a believer, if I just sit as a believer of the moment and think to myself, well, all the years that have been in listening to the preaching and teaching of the fall in the garden, and that just made sin come to the human being something greater happened. I know we got redemption, but when you when you step outside of that garden and think, oh, Adam, you've written Eve, you've really done us to know, you know, that's why we've got this suffering in the world, all sort of stuff. But actually, when you look further than the human eye, that devastation, and that in the spiritual realm was ripped and torn. Correct. This is really important, I believe, for such a time as this for me and anyone else that's listening. I know, there's 1000s of you listening, and for the stuff that Roy is sharing. Because I think for a long time, we've had blinkers on our eyes just looking at the devastation to humanity when actually you look up into the heavens. And when he said, It is good, very good. And then suddenly for men and woman to take off that tree, the eruption, the devastation I, I actually can't get to a place where I would ever understand that the destruction and Roy's talking about the black holes, the darkness, or represents what happened in that, that garden. Yeah, I mean, so there's so much more isn't that the church just looks at at that. What's in front of us, oh, they took the tree. Sin, but it's more, it's more, but it's not more because it all goes together. But in the heavens above that we can't see. And we will never see to the full end of this age, what the eruptions and the devastation that it calls spiritual devastation, yes,
Roy:yeah, in terrible death. And of course, that could lead on to the things how things got so bad. And that's why you had to have the flood, which was the second member of parliament. But what is important, I want to remind you, your listeners, is that right now, wherever they are listening, yeah, they're very conscious of the physical realm that they're in, which is the outer coat. Yeah, but the inner circle, the Inner Inner coat, is the spiritual realm that exists right in their lounge, where they are now or their bedroom, or wherever they are listening right now. And so there is a spiritual realm that is here and going, going back to what I said about the time of job when when heavenly father talked, and God talked with, with Satan, I think I slipped up and called Satan job at the time. But anyway, we see that Seigneurs walk into and throughout the year he was but but no one would have saw him now. Lucifer walking down the road, because he was in the spiritual realm that is, so there is this divine Council where, where I believe Jesus in pre incarnate form, sat on the divine Council and had that conversation with with Lucifer to say, have you seen my servant Job, and that was in the spiritual realm, that inner coat
Reverend Ben Cooper:that that the human being will never see that realm that exists that is more real than Royals across this table. It's more than what then we can put into the physical conversation that we're looking at these mics, we're looking at everything, everything that is of material is before us. But there is there is a realm out there that is so strong and so powerful beyond human eyesight. So when when God said that, what are you doing and he's roaming backwards and forth, you know, so there is an A world that will never say with a natural eyes,
Roy:correct. What will be taking place in the years to come is that there will be breaches of the spiritual realm into the physical realm. And when your listeners start studying and looking in Revelations, they will see there's a moment in time where the bottomless pit is open and there is a manifestation right in the physical realm, and people will actually have a plague a plague will break out. All right, and when you look at the nature of that plague and how it is implemented, you'll see, there are celestial beings that will break from the spiritual realm into the physical realm. I know that's quite strong for some of your listeners, it's
Reverend Ben Cooper:very, it's very strong bar. But it's real. If the church keeps blanking this and keep waving the flag all day long, everything is great and wonderful. You can't be reading from the Bible that we're reading from, because in the end days, it tells us very clearly, and I do believe that there is a breach and I wonder if we've actually we're at that, that touching point have we have we touched it? Are we seeing things with the weather with nature? We have certain things that happen certain leaders around the world, the way they influence us certain areas of evil, depravity beyond human understanding, have we is there been a breach now? Are we crossing to it? Is it six months? Or why have we been in it a few months? You can't deny that there is something in the heavenlies in the our use the atmosphere that isn't something's not right.
Roy:Yep. And we have seen there is evidence throughout the Old Testament and the New Yeah, well, there have been breaches and not only breaches but permission where Heavenly Father and His sovereignty as sent, you know, angels like Gabriel, who broke into the physical realm and manifested and an even way back in the Old Testament, you know, the destroying angels and even one of the plagues of Egypt and I put it in my in my book that because David sings about it, and you get a glimpse of really what took place and it was during the plague where were you know, when it came down with how will fire and yeah, ice like, you know, mixed, that was a supernatural plague that came it wasn't just a bad day of, you know, because fire came down yes, we've ice but also they weren't allowed out. Because David sings about the angels fighting in the fields the angels destroys. So at during that plague that there was I use the word breach, but where the spiritual realm broke into the physical realm. And manifested we have it with with a bailiff donkey. Yeah, that's what another one that the donkey sees it. He sees into the spiritual realm. And there are other numerous examples we could use throughout Syria, where the spiritual realm breaks into the Sodom
Reverend Ben Cooper:and Gomorrah, them to Heavenly Host came down. So even Lot had that encountered in the with to heavenly hosts. Yeah, the destroys that came to the destroyers that came down. So there is again, evidence from heaven coming in, and being very physically seen by a lot, and everyone around them because we understand what the audience in southern girl was shouting out to them. Bring them out, we want to bring them out. Yes. So the eyeballs of them human beings clot the spiritual realm. Yeah. So there is there is evidence of breaching and we use the word breaching because it's the easiest way for us to understand. Crossing. But isn't it interesting that we can't go that way? I can. I can tell you're gonna tell me something in a minute.
Roy:Well, I mean, it's rare, because it's rare. It's rare. And I won't say it never happens. Because you've got to look at Paul. There's a point. Yeah. I didn't know. I was called to that. He didn't know if he was out. Or in the body. He wants to.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Isn't that good? The way he presents that? I'm not sure if I was in or out? Yeah. So there's a clear understanding isn't there? There was something unusual? Not sure. But when we look at the other way around when the heavenly hosts come in, yeah. That that we have to say that that is a breach?
Roy:Yes. Yeah. I, I mean, Satan has to get permission. So he's looking for legal right to come in. And that was the same with the Nephilim. They knew where we were, we read in Genesis six, where he really didn't see it coming to Daryl Lucifer what happened. He thought he had the mind and within a twinkling of an eye, the spiritual realm was torn from the physical which stopped him physically manifest in any more physical realm. So as you follow this story, we see that, that he wants to control the physical realm, in person, in person in person and and to economically control it from the from the inner coat that there's the spiritual realm. So what we see we see that certain angels break into the physical realm. They came down and they married women, and they formed a hybrid race. Yes. Now that's a big subject and I give two or three chapters to that in my new book about that. And then of course, what happens quick this fast running food, God pours out His judgment at the time and notice that the flood so that was your second big bombardment. That was it. You know, top draw stuff that down the road, we then see that there are more giants that come along. Now, I have to say to your listeners, the giants that we see like Goliath, he was the last line. They were not nefyn him, they were not hybrids, they were giants. And so it was a DNA mutation that had taken place. And we can see where it came through. If you do a good Bible study in Genesis, you can see that, that that the legal right came through him. And then if you follow his his line, you see that he, fella comes along called Canaan, his descendant, and it was added Cain, that you eventually get the Giants. And so there's a good possibility that hams wife carried DNA mutation of the hybrids, it could be, possibly that her great great grandmother or something had had dealings with the Nephilim. Now, I know that's speculation, but there had to be a link from hand down, because if you follow the line, you have to follow the lines see that there were not just one race of giants, but several, and that's another whole subject, but just for your listeners, they were far less superior than the Nephilim, the Nephilim were two three times bigger than the likes of your life. Okay. And also, they were not just human, they were celestial as well. That's, that's why they had to be completely destroyed. And so their bodies are completely destroyed. So I don't want to get too much into that. But you
Reverend Ben Cooper:know, links together were Can I just use something in a moment? All right now, I just accelerate to the New Testament a moment. Now Roy's made very interesting point that we're all very aware of that Lucifer is invisible. Yeah, that's, that's it? Yeah, there's. But when we come to the New Testament, when Christ is, is in the place of the Passover with the disciples, and he's breaking bread with the disciples, and Judas is at the table, that fascinates me, all them characters that were around the communion table, and it says, Jesus said to him, what you're going to do go and do very quickly. But at that point, when I was breaking bread, dipping the bread into the cup to get the SOP, it says, doesn't it that Satan entered into Judas? So there's another clear indicator time and time again that Satan has to have a vehicle. Yeah, for him to get work done. So coming back to the Old Testament, it's the same with inophyllum, isn't it? They they have to have a vehicle for them to get their work done. I understand the spiritual power on the outside. That is that this false that presses us but Satan is invisible. And so many people that Satan has two little horns and a red folk, didn't they? Yeah. So he is powerless to a deacon Hi. So difficult, isn't it? Because you've got to care for you word things without people going. Or pastors giving Satan power? No, I'm sure trying to discuss this. Yeah. So. So at that point of communion, Satan entered into Judas Iscariot. So the spiritual realm has to have a vehicle to work in, doesn't it to get its work
Roy:done. Okay. I'm gonna sound controversial, but I might take, you know, another whole session to explain. But Satan, personally didn't literally enter into Judas Iscariot, a spirit entered into Judas Iscariot, and we know what that spirit was, was the son of perdition spirit, and that same spirit will manifest again and entered the Antichrist. Paul talks about that. So though I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying that yes, yeah. Satan entered Judas. Yes. Correct. But it wasn't that Satan him has as a celestial cherub no came the spirit of yes, it there is a spirit that Satan uses for his plans and, and even with the Antichrist, he won't just be just a bad guy.
Reverend Ben Cooper:No, it will be driven with the force that we read about.
Roy:Correct. And I think we might be getting off line here are we going away from it? But can I just just go back to the moon I just don't go back to the moon go back. Can we go back to the there's a song coming there and everybody's so much into it sounds so nice.
Reverend Ben Cooper:But there's so much to talk about when you start talking about the spiritual realm and creation and the fall and then and then you start thinking of the Scriptures and everything just comes in line to that and it makes things it opens up things and you the Scripture and you can see you can see so much more when you when you get really grounded in Genesis when you really get when you really get that solid. It opens up so much more than he gives you more. I believe God gives us more insight.
Roy:Yeah, I think one of the main problems with people today we get so caught up with our daily living and life yeah, we forget completely uh, about the reality of the spiritual, the spiritual realm. And so when you use terms like, you know, spiritual warfare or intercessory prayer, it's foreign language to many Christians, you know, and I'm generalizing. And, or even ourselves, you know, when something happens, you know, I'm not saying we're meant to see some evil spirit behind every single object, but I'm thinking that we deal with life with around ingenuity, our larger experience logic, and we, it takes a while before that, you know, the penny drops and think, okay, there there is something that is correct. And it's the same when I lead churches that that nine times out of 10 when there was a key issue in the church, I never took it personally because I saw that it was a spirit spirit, dry, dry mind, if you didn't see that you would most probably go you know, Garga you know, thinking it's all about you when it's
Reverend Ben Cooper:not actually it's right. So coming back to that poor old guy in that poor old guy dudas he was a vehicle that was that was used by a spirit a false Yeah, it was a spirit drive. So that's a demon stuff in church and life. It's driving us is the vehicle of humanity, it uses people it so we have to we cannot we cannot say that this spiritual realm does not exist because would wipe everything out because it was before we was. So the spiritual realm that we're talking about is far more important to talk about than just what we've seen the natural running running of church.
Roy:Yep. And that's one of the reasons why I'm a great believer in a literal millennial, right? When Jesus comes back, we will reign with him for literally 1000 years. Why see that is because part of that sun becomes seven times brighter. And even if you study advice either as 50 different characteristics or changes to our planet, so for example, the Dead Sea, okay, Ben No longer is dead. It there'll be living waters fly up Jerusalem goes down into the Mediterranean down to the Dead Sea. That's literal imagery. It's not prophetic symbolism. And so you know, you know, you and I banker go fishing in the Dead Sea one day, you know, I know that sounds crazy, but there is going to be physical changes to our planet. Well as the moon as well as sorry, the sun is woggs It's gonna be seven times brighter. The moon is going to be looking at as the sun but yeah, there's the moon. So all I was gonna say about the moon back then was that if you go the other side of the moon, the rear glyph is all intact. Okay, it's all there. It's only this side. So the blast resonated out from the planet Earth without words. But when you look at the second bombardment, and that's the flood we can see there's a massive massive they think it could have been an asteroid hit the backside of the moon it's very low down massive blast and on the bank. Yeah, it's on like the southern point very low massive big asteroid hit the back of the moon. So it's a bombardment not only hit the backside of the moon, but also the face of the moon. And I've identified that seven asteroids that hit the Earth during the time of the flood. Okay during the time of the flood now I know we're off topic again because we're talking the flood no good, it's all good. And one interesting thing that's just come to mind that if you go somewhere in Australia don't know where the places there is a 60 tan meets you right in the middle of a desert. Okay? It's a meteorite you can visit it so this is not hocus pocus stuff. You can go I think it's over 60 ton they know it's a meteorite that that hit this desert but there's no impact crater Well, the reason there's no impact crater is because obviously, the time that it here is that there was a big flood going on. Yes, I
Reverend Ben Cooper:splashed it gently. So it just Yeah,
Roy:well, there was no impact crater. But there are the impacts hikers in what happened would have accelerated the shift of the continents coasts. And so water not only was coming down with the collapse of the canopy caused by the asteroids and meteorites shower that was coming. You've also got the earth given up water volcanic eruptions coming up from the earth so and the process was was to completely destroy destroy Neff and him. It took 150 days, all right to actually take the fallen angels and there's good resources on this to actually put them into the bottomless pit. And they are going to be released in Revelations and they are given the same amount of time. 150 days and there's a lot of stuff that I could easily add to it because this is not out there stuff. It's all in God's word. You just got to see it
Reverend Ben Cooper:and that's the thing. It's Trove. And when you dig it, you find it. Yeah.
Roy:So I think that's about it on the nature of the fall. It's it hasn't
Reverend Ben Cooper:happened yet. But are you sure? Are you sure? You know, it's like so many so much stuff in the UK church at the moment is just, its focus is just taken away from God's Word. You know, and I just pray for what we're listening to today. And, and for the 1000s that join us across the earth that listen to this. It's so creation is so interested in his spiritual
Roy:life to say that, you know, bend the feet, many years, I used to try to imagine what heaven was like, Yeah, never really did it justice. I don't think any of us could. But one thing I helped me was to actually visualize spending 1000 years with the Lord on Earth been immortal. Yeah, for 1000 years. That's it emerged on Earth. And it's just like it was before Adam, you know, lost the plot. It we're going back to what we call the innocent period, all right, there'll be many 1000s millions that will still be here, there'll be mortal, but we're going to come back around with him. But if any of your listeners decide to do a study on a literal millennium, they will have an incredible insight into what it's going to be like, you know, just walking with the Lord, having fellowship with the Lord.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Or just, yeah, my mind before we started talking about heaven, and when we start talking about heaven. So what would have him be like, What is that like if the Earth was created like this?
Roy:Yeah, well, the New Jerusalem comes down at the end of that and that's just the start of eternity in its then we get into I don't think we're gonna be in heaven singing Kumbaya for billions and billions.
Reverend Ben Cooper:But the church has told me that so I'll believe it.
Roy:Now, you've been a bad boy band,
Reverend Ben Cooper:I've been a bad boy. And Father, forgive me for I've seen that again. And again, God is good, you know, is so good. And we have had such a great conversation royal brought so much staff that is, so much, got so much truth in it, and it's coming from God, you know, and we thank God for Roy and his family. And we're going to have a short break when we get back in a few moments. So we didn't press pause a moment. But if you need and you want to speak to Roy, Roy, how can how can we get a hold of you? Okay, some
Roy:of your listeners have picked up my email address, which is fine, and I will try to reply. It's roy_warren@hotmail.com. That's, that's the best way to get and I will do my best to reply within a few days.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Simple. Yep. All done. Okay, there we go. Thank you so much for listening. And for Roy, for bringing this to the table. Really interesting stuff that we're having going on here. We are living in great times. Let's keep in the Word of God. God bless. We'll catch you later. Thank you so much. You can find all this stuff on Buzzsprout, Spotify, I Heart Radio, Amazon music and so many other platforms. We'll catch you soon. Take care take care and god bless.
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