Reverend Ben Cooper: 0:19

Good morning and welcome, everybody. Thank you for this morning for joining us wherever you are, wherever you are this morning may God bless you across this world. Good morning world we thank you for all the downloads we thank you for the listeners we thank you for everybody that follows us on the socials. Today you are joining myself and Sandra Robson, as we look at the life of brother Andrew. Really powerful ministry. Really interesting man, lots of stuff going on in his life, Sandra is going to introduce everything, we're just gonna have a little recap for the next 30 minutes or so about the life of brother Andrew, the work and the founding work that he done. And everything that goes along with that, we just want to say thank you here for sharing these podcasts and everything that goes out to those the persecuted church. So a little bit different this morning. But we hope we get to you wherever you are across the earth that you can sit back and relax and just listen to whatever is going on in your world today that you may be able to switch off and just just enjoy the day. May God bless you. And Sandra, let's just get straight in morning, Sandra,

Sandra Robson: 1:25

good morning. Last time I was here, we were looking at the standing strong conference that was run by open doors. We talked about the different people who were involved in that we did from Afghanistan, and also the bishop from Iraq. And we also talked about Iran. And that's an ongoing situation about you know, the freedom and rights of women and all that's going on the very difficult situation there when we pray for our brothers and sisters who are in prison. And you know, who are being scapegoated for some of the things that are going on in Iran at the moment. Yes. But they are standing with the women and praying for them. And they're praying that there will be change with this or this uprising. But we pray that there won't be great loss of life is as it continues. And then we had the coup that's happened in Burkina Faso and the implications of that and ask for prayers for that for the Christians, and that it won't destabilize the country. And and then we had the Indian courts and the news that they are looking into the violence. And we pray that there will be a good report in as much as it will show the truth of what's going on. And then we said that brother Andrew had died. And so we said that we would be looking at him and his life or his work, and how he came to found open doors. Where I get a lot of this information, how did open doors come about? And it came about through this man brother and you that God inspired to smuggle Bibles. So he is known as God's smuggler. And he wrote a book about the things that he did in that early time and how open doors was founded. And you can get a copy for free. I found out on the website, I looked high and low for my copy. But I must have given it away. And so I've asked for another copy. And I'll be able to dip into that in future times. But I have an overview of the things that he did that I found on on on open doors, but also in other places as well. Okay.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 4:19

interesting life, isn't it? Not what we're not we first perceive it. No, someone gets a call and it's not a smooth as we think.

Sandra Robson: 4:28

No, it isn't. And it's very interesting, and a lot of these people, just as I mentioned with Richard Wurmbrand, he was not interested in God at all. He had been brought up a communist and he did not have any time for God. And but through his anger and his, you know, wanting to disprove things he actually came to faith. You know, yeah, S and then when these people come to faith, they come to faith in a big way. I mean, it's like all or nothing. Yeah. And it is the the thing of of soul to Paul. And God just works powerfully through these people and affects other lives. There is a cost there is a cost as as we will find out, but it's worth it as they have all said But brother Andrew, founder of Open Doors died at the age of 94. surrounded by his family, he was nicknamed that God smuggler because his ministry started by smuggling Bibles across the iron curtain in a blue Volkswagen Beetle. It was the beginning of open doors, which more than 65 years later, is continuing his ministry to support persecuted Christians around the world. Henrietta Blyde, CEO of Open Doors UK and Ireland said, when brother Andrew started his ministry, little did he imagine that within 60 years, it would embrace millions of Christians around the world, he leaves behind a remarkable legacy. So how did it start? Well, it started with a rebellious young man who turned missionary. And he grew up in Holland before World War Two. And he sorted venture. Now he was quite affected. As I, my memory serves me from reading, the gods smuggler was quite affected by the Second World War, and it affected the things that he did. And the way that he looked at life. Now there was he did have some church background, but he sort of walked away from it for for some time, and sought out here sought out adventure. And after the war, he joined the army and fought in the East Indies, where he was eventually injured. And so it says brother Andrew was born on the 11th of May in 1928. And he joined the colony army of the Dutch East Indies, and converted to Christianity during a period of convalescence, where he spent much of his time reading the Bible. So that was the injury time, if my memory serves me, right, he got shot in the leg. And he wasn't able to fight anymore. And so he ended up going home. And but as it says, during that time, he, he found out there was a Bible that had been given to him, I think it was by his mom. And he had not bothered to read it. But then he had all this time to read. And he thought, well, maybe I should find out about this God, it's caused me trouble. And, you know, but slapped me as let me live. And so, yeah, he became a Christian. And so then he ended up training as a missionary in Scotland. in Glasgow, and then he saw an advert for a Communist Youth rally that was going to happen in Poland, in 1955. So I thought I was interesting. I didn't realize it was Poland, because I thought he had some stuff to do with Russia, but it was actually Poland. And as you know, I mean, I've got links with Poland. And that's part of how I got involved with the persecuted church was going in Poland, but at that time, it was even worse than when I went, because it was under communism. And, you know, he, he decided that, you know, he wants to find out what it was like, for Christians, if there were any Christians, you didn't even know if there were any Christians left in Poland, because he'd heard of the harsh treatment of the communists to anybody who didn't believe in communism. And so he decided that he would go along to this rally, but what the and he, they, he, he contacted them, and he asked, could he go as an observer and, and, you know, I think he said that he wasn't a communist. But anyway, he said he wanted to go along and they said, Yes, you can come along, you can come and see what what's, you know what's going on and, you know, be part of this. But what they didn't know was that he had a case full of Christian tracks and anything, you know, so that was what what he did

Reverend Ben Cooper: 10:12

that that book that book says they sold over 10 million copies. Yeah, God smuggler has sold over 10 million copies. Wow, what a what a what an achievement on that alone to reach the world with an interesting story of his book. Amazing.

Sandra Robson: 10:33

It's well worth. I mean, it's just you know, if you haven't read it, just get hold of it because it is really, it is an amazing read honestly, you will really be encouraged and inspired. And as he says, It's not about what he did, but what God did through him. And that he took that step of faith. And he said, Yes. And God met him each time. You know, he, he was in very difficult circumstances. And he just prayed, and God answered, and it was that simple faith, you know, that he had, and he just trusted and believed. And so he says that he, he had his Bible, a change of clothes and hundreds of tracks entitled the way of salvation, which he intended to give away. The trip changed his life behind the Iron Curtain, he discovered churches desperately in need of Bibles, and support and prayer. Above all, he found a group of Christians. So he was really pleased that there were still Christians there, who felt isolated alone, and who thought the rest of the world had forgotten them. So we hear that don't worry about them, that people feeling they forgotten. And so how it's so important, that we tell show them that they aren't forgotten. And we do that through our prayers. We can do that through letter writing, we can do that through petitions, and you know, all that all those things, to show them that we care.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 12:07

Yeah, we need to do that. And we need to be really clear, you know, but getting Bibles you can give, even for Gideon and the Ministry of Gideons formerly known as Gideons. Now, good news for everybody. So if anybody needs a Bible or wants to get a Bible to someone, there are ways of getting a Bible. So when you read this, God's smuggler, about getting the word of God in and getting the message into real dark, hard places. All things are possible. So it's a great adventure to, to get the word of God in somewhere. So maybe God is calling you to, to share Bibles in your workspace in your life, you know, just leave a Bible at the desk, you go into your school, your office, your work setting, leave it on a train on even on the commute into town, or wherever you're going on a bus, just get yourself a Bible and leave it on the seat. This nation needs the Word of God for sure. But interesting book.

Sandra Robson: 12:58

Yeah. So one evening, during that first visit, he went to a Baptist church in Warsaw, where he was invited to speak. And he tells this story in detail in his book. But this is a just a little extract and what he said, at the end of my talk, the pastor said, the most interesting thing of all, we want to thank you, he said, for being here, even if you had not said a word, just seeing you would have meant so much we feel at times as if we were all alone in our struggle. So that was it. They, you know, it was lovely that he spoke. But the thing that was more important was the fact that he was there. And that's the case today that we have these partners we talk about, and they're on the ground, and they're there. They're there, too. Put shoulder around somebody who's lost a loved one, or is grieving or has had a traumatic experience. They're there to pray, and they're there to give Bibles. So it's just so important that contact and so said, Even so, from that point, he realized there was a great need. And at the end of the trip, watching many 1000s of delegates of the Youth Congress marching in a parade, brother Andrew prayed about what God wanted him to do. And he opened his Bible and found a passage which he came to see as a mission, wake up, strengthen what remains and is about to die, which is Revelation three, verse two. And that's true today. We you know, we need to you know, that's what God's saying to us. Each each one of us he's saying You know, be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain that you're about to die for. I have not found your words perfectly before God. So it's something to think about, you know, what are we? What are we doing with our time? And you know, are we part of God's mission? And? No, are we strengthening brothers and sisters who are just in such dire circumstances, yet they want to remain faithful to the Lord, and they need our prayers to lift them up, when they feel down, even this moment now, there are people in prison who just need to know that you're praying, and they sense that we've heard that that they sense the prayers of of the brothers and sisters. And you know, things come at the right time, as we found out in things that I've read, you know, the different testimonies that I have shared. And he became very aware of this. And so, in subsequent years, he's traveled many times, he traveled many times behind the Iron Curtain, and courageously putting his life on the line to smuggle Bibles at the height of the Cold War. And he went in the beginning, he went to Russia, Bulgaria and Romania. So they were all in, in the communist era

Reverend Ben Cooper: 16:39

out areas, aren't they? Yes, really dark and solid and very, very military. Very strong. So if you're out there, and this morning, and you're listening to this, and you think, Oh, well, what can I do? Leaving a Bible just again, I'm gonna repeat myself and your workplace. You know, get the word of God get the word of God on the trains in the buses. You know, when you listen and look at this great story, you can follow this story as well quite easily if you're at work today, or wherever you are, just jump onto open doors. It's got a celebrating the life of brother Andrew, great articles, great YouTube clips on there, lots of stories in memory of him, sharing bits and pieces about his life. They've got the book on there, so much information on there about brother Andrew, but hopefully, and prayerfully it will encourage all of us to get a Bible because this nation, the UK is seriously, seriously lacking, lacking. Need lacking God's Word, we need to truth we need the word word of God, this nation is probably at its most buckled point in old time, and the only way that we're going to see any move is through the word of God. So what a challenge for each and every one of us maybe just to get a Bible and leave a Bible on the train, in your work, workplace, on on a desk and just leave it just leave it wherever you are. Just leave it God, God will send that person along to that it doesn't always need to be a face to face for evangelistic prayer time with that person, but just leaving the Word of God because that word will get picked up that will attract and be attracted to someone. So what a great adventure to just say to yourself this week, I'm going to leave a Bible even if you don't want a month, and left the Bible every month somewhere as 12 Bibles a year 12 Bibles a year, what a great challenge that is. Anyway, son.

Sandra Robson: 18:30

So he went back back home after this events and he told people he told his friends, what he had found out he told Christians in the church and, and places and he said that, you know, he needed money for Bibles. And they gave it and they they gave him money for Bibles and one family and decided to give him a blue Volkswagen Beetle.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 18:55

That's where the image the picture comes from. Yes, which became

Sandra Robson: 18:59

very important. And this was the vehicle he smuggled those Bibles in for many years. And there are amazing stories about this. And as it says, Here, it became known as the miracle car, because of its amazing ability to miraculously keep going. And I remember there was one story where they just ran out of fuel, and they weren't near anywhere. And he just said, Lord, you have to provide now, you know, you provided you know, from the loaves and fishes you gave multitudes and he said, you know, we need to get these Bibles. And and they did. But he didn't actually know that they at one point, I don't know which trip it was. But there was one time when he didn't realize there was a problem with a car and the car kept going. And it was only when they got to a garish that the garbage guy said I don't know how you've managed to get here because there is nothing left. You know there's the oil and you know it It's it's completely, you know, there's no there's no fuel, you've been running on fumes. And he said, Well, that's God, you know, and he was just able to witness. And one of his, his prayers, one of the one prayer that he prayed was, Lord, in my luggage, I have scripture, I want to teach your children. When you were on Earth, you made blind eyes. See, now I pray, make seeing eyes blind, do not let the gods see these things you do not want them to see. And that happened. They searched his luggage, and he had Bibles. And they saw the Bibles. But they seem to just go over them that you know, that they, they were in his clothing. And they picked up his clothing and there with the Bibles, but they didn't they they just carried on searching. And, and so that prayer came surpass many times. And so the work grew, and others began to join the work. Firstly, had one guy who worked with him that's detailed in the book. And then through that others, others joined, believing that God wanted them to be part of this work. And so became an international ministry, as we know, and it became open doors. And the reason it opened doors was that he said, You know, there's no door close to God, every door is, is an open door, God will open, you know, open the door. Brilliant. And so he's, this is another quote from him, when I first discovered a persecuted church behind the Iron Curtain need was for Bibles. But as our ministry expanded, other needs emerged, for example, in some countries, pastors have little or no seminary training, we provide them with training, so they can be more effective leaders of their congregations. In other regions, Christians are discriminated against denied education, quality job opportunities, so we may strengthen the church by providing small loans to help Christian start businesses, the needs, and thus the strategies vary from country to country. So just how it developed, you know, but it all developed through prayer, and it all developed through obedience. And then he said that after in the communism fell, and you know, the Berlin Wall, and the Iron Curtain came down, as it were, the became a new area of pressure and threat to Christians. And that was through Islam, radical Islam. And, and so he turned his attention to this. And he says, After the fall of the Iron Curtain, I turned my attention to the Islamic world. And he said the rapid spread of Islam posed the greatest challenge yet to Christian Church worldwide. And he traveled to the Middle East and South Asia and had private meetings with leaders of SOS, several Islamic fundamentalist groups. However, brother Andrew preached against retaliation, reportedly declaring I sincerely love all Muslims, as a counter to the rising Islamic phobia. Islamophobia in the West

Reverend Ben Cooper: 23:44

is a big, big, big missional work, isn't it? That's a big, that's a big door opener.

Sandra Robson: 23:54

Door. Yeah.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 23:56

That's when you think communism, and all the other places that had vinto, I would say and the Iron Curtain and everything that he's been involved in there, to step into that territory is a very, very or Dear, a tough a goodness, that could be the toughest area to step into.

Sandra Robson: 24:17

Again, we have to remember that, you know, God does a step by step doesn t and he had been faithful in little That's right. And he had gone behind, you know, any lines Yeah, with communism. So now he was ready. I mean, I'm reading the book, at the moment and about Samuel. I mean, how he started off and how God called him and he was a young boy, you know, in the temple. Yeah. And he just responded to the call.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 24:50

Baby, step on step off.

Sandra Robson: 24:52

And God was with him and as he grew in obedience and listening to God, so God put, you know, Put more and more his his way. And he grew into being that leader and that judge, and you can see this with with Brother Andrew, that he was a man of prayer, he was sought the Lord. And God showed him the next step. And, you know, and he, I'm sure he went in, you know, with fear and trembling. But he said, Okay, Lord, if this is what you want me to do, I'll do it. And it was unpopular, because it says he talked with leaders of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Hezbollah.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 25:34

And this is all online, you can read all this.

Sandra Robson: 25:37

He is among the few Western leaders to regularly travel to the Middle East, as an ambassador for Christ for these groups. He also broke Christian religious barriers by preaching in Catholic and Coptic Orthodox churches. So as he had, you know, one of the, one of the very high Muslim Muslims at the time, became a good friend of his, and it talks about that as well. And then, it says, brother Andrew has received many honors, but perhaps, so he was knighted by Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands. In 1997. He received the world evangelical fellowship, religious liberty Award in recognition of his life's work for the persecuted church. But perhaps the recognition that pleased him most was copies of the KGB reports, which he obtained after the fall of the Iron Curtain. And there were 150 pages detailing his work in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe. And he knew a lot about brother Andrew, they knew a lot sorry about him, yes, they were still not able to stop his work. And this is the bid he says about open doors, he says, our very mission is called open doors, because we believe that any door is open anytime, anywhere. I literally believe that every door is open to go in and proclaim Christ as long as you are willing to go and not worry about coming back.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 27:21

Not worry about Come on, Barry

Sandra Robson: 27:22

about coming back.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 27:23

There's a statement.

Sandra Robson: 27:24

Yeah. Yeah. So you know, now we say, you know, here is an open door in a but I think we have got a bit pressed and a bit anxious and thinking that people, you know, if we, if we say things, then we're, you know, we're, it's not PR and you know, and people, you know, can get into trouble for saying things but just showing the actual gospel. And, you know, we should we should be able to, we are able to do that. And as the Christian Institute's have put out a booklets about our rights, but I think people have seen that'd

Reverend Ben Cooper: 28:06

be an interesting look at so where can you get that from the good old Christian Institute?

Sandra Robson: 28:11

Institute, we've got a book on our rights as believers, because where we can speak about Jesus what we can do, you know, so if we were stopped by the police for any reason, if we're talking or giving out tracks on the, on the street or something, what our, what our rights are, that we what we can do. And so, yeah, they brought out that book, because they felt that people were unsure. And so counselors were making out the, you know, you couldn't share the gospel. So, I'm just I've got different notes here. And I've, you know, yes, so I've got, you know, numbers on things, and I'm looking from one to the other to the and then, one thing about our country and connected with thinking about the influence of brother Andrew and open doors was in Easter 2018. The den Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt wrote to brother Andrew saying, I would like to express my personal thanks for the extraordinary and courageous support you have provided to the persecuted church throughout the years, having read God's smuggler as a child, I know that your story has inspired millions of people around the world to speak out on behalf of the voiceless and suffering from an MP. Yeah, that was from Jeremy Hunt. And then the last bit for from Brother Andrew. He's who Yes, his story is extraordinary, but he himself stresses that it was simply because he followed God simply because I follow God's. And he said that what he wants, I am people have asked him what he wanted on his gravestone. And he said, he could think of lots of different things. But what he would like to be known for as a disciple of Jesus Christ, because he said that he wanted God to get over glory, everything has happened for God's glory, and that he just simply wants you to be a disciple of Jesus. And he said, the real calling is not a certain place or career, but every day obedience,

Reverend Ben Cooper: 30:34

obedience. That's a really important part of being obedient. Where do you want me God? What what is happening today? God, yeah, you know, and that we get so entrenched and we get so in a robotic process within UK within the West that we get up we go to work, come home, exhausted, worn out, but actually, what is your plan, Lord? What is your purpose for our lives? You know, Jeremiah 29, For I know the plans I have for you, that is so so so important, Lord, what do you want me to do today? Get a Bible into work, get a Bible on the train, you know, so many fit so much to do. But I don't think we realize how trapped we are within the UK, suddenly, a call is coming on your life. And suddenly you realize how, how trapped we are. But if you are being called to mission, God will free you. If you are being called to be a Bible smuggler, God will free you because God's way. And it's really in important that if you're in the UK, that we understand that we need Bibles. The UK needs Bibles, we need tracks, we need it, we need this, we need this in the workspace. So what else we got? Sandra, we got about nine minutes, about nine minutes.

Sandra Robson: 31:48

Well, he just says again, at the end, you says, you know, I think that's the thing that of his life is again that he says the Bible is full of ordinary people who went to impossible place and did wondrous things simply because they decided to follow Jesus. And that's what our brothers and sisters are doing. Because we hear their stories, too, when I'm reading them out sort of from the persecuted church and the amazing things God is doing, and how he is drawing people to himself and how people are meeting him and how, you know, we know about the pastor in Syria, and what's happened through Him, He's an ordinary person. But it's because he has been obedient, he has stayed there, despite the risk to himself, you know, the bombs falling and the attacks, you know, God kept him safe, because he had a plan for him to be there. So that he could help people are now at this time. And we know that I said about Samuel, and how God used him and did impossible and wondrous things with him. And we've talked about Paul, and again, you know, an unlikely character. And we see many unlikely characters who we can big in well, you know, that they just do what God wants them to do. It's not a big, it's just that the doors open, as we've said, and, you know, and that's the wonderful thing. So I think the thing today is don't write yourself off. No, no, no, no, no, um, you know, you know, it, to pray is a great thing. To have time to pray and to, to four different countries. You know, that is, that is a really important thing. And like we said, you know, to give a Bible, I mean, you know, if you have the opportunity of running a prayer group at a church, for the persecuted church do that. Just, you know, we, I think we have said it before, but it is just to sit and say, Lord, what is it that you want me to do? Here I am, US me. You know, and, and just see what he does. Thank you for listening to this podcast, because you're obviously interested in knowing about the persecuted church, you're, you know, you're obviously wanting to do something, and maybe, you know, just by passing this on, you're passing it on to somebody who may be able to do something, it might be that they're able to rescue people, it might be that, you know, you're thinking of becoming a lawyer, and you could represent people. There are so many ways God can users. I mean, and just like gossiping it, you know, I mean, I'm, you know, I'm a school teacher, and sometimes, you know, I say, people say to me, what are you doing tomorrow and I say I'm doing a podcast, and then they asked me, you know, what's that about? And then you have an opportunity to share about your hospital what you're doing and And you'll find that people are interested. And it's just they don't think about it don't know about it. Because our media is just so tight on sat on certain things, you know, and we're not hearing these, you know, good news stories. So be a person of of good news. And we thank the Lord for the life of brother Andrew, and we thank him for the example and and just like yet to be challenged for about obedience and to think, Lord, my obedience to you. And it is scary that what you're saying here you say, you know, I literally believe that every door is open to go to proclaim the gospel, as long as you're willing to go and not worry about coming back. We, you know, we need to put our lives in God's hands. And this is what, you know, persecuted brothers and sisters, they don't know where they're coming back, I read of a guy who gets up really early morning says goodbye to his family and stretches miles so that he can support refugees. And he doesn't see his family for several weeks. And they don't know whether he's going to come back or not. But he believes that God is looking after him. And you know, and then he goes back at the moment who's been kept safe, and he's been able to do this, you know, uh, but he says, you know, that he knows that these people don't just need bread, we know there's terrible hunger going on, and there's people near starvation. And he, you know, obviously pray about the, you know, the food getting through, that's another thing that he says they need the word of God, they need the Word of God to keep strong. And I think in these days, also, we need to think about eternity, we can feed people, but that's only for now. They need to have a hope. And they need to know that, you know, there's more than this life. And you know, in these days of struggle that people need to have that hope that Jesus came, and that Jesus's died, and he rose again, and he's coming back. That's right. And, and that we have eternity. And this is only a small part, we you know, we have eternal life. And it's a small part. And and so, more and more, we need to look at our lives in the light of eternity. And that's how he was able to say that willing to go and not worry about coming back because he knew he would go to glory. If anything happened that, you know, yes, you would be up from this from this life. But he would be then with Jesus statement. So to go,

Reverend Ben Cooper: 37:52

not think about possibly coming back. So I think the UK is what Sandra and talking about there. You know, Man does not live on bread alone, but by every word that perceives that in the mouth of God. As we bring this to a finish, I again, I think I've said this three times what a great challenge. For us here we don't need to up sticks and to go to the other side of the world that our mission field is right bad Jerusalem is on our doorstep, leaving the Bible in the college taking the Bible into the locker room or the gym, you know, leaving it in a trolley supermarket, leaving it you know, at the till, wherever just just leaving a Bible because this nation, you know, interestingly, when you look at the food issue that's going on, what we are more in more of a famine of is what the book says in the Book of ALA we are in a in the Book of Amos, where it says there will be a famine, we are in a famine period of the Word of God. You know, brother Andrew has laid a strong foundation, a strong model to follow and it is simply just leaving and getting Bibles in. We don't need to go to all these places that are mentioned because maybe God is calling you in your workspace. Maybe God is calling you and your university, in your culture and you're setting wherever you are. Just to leave the Bible where you are, where you are seated, where you are working, where you are living. You know, if you're in an athletics club, if you're in a football club, if you're at school, university, at work at home, you know in a golf club, you meet with people, wherever you meet with people, what an ideal opportunity just to leave the Word of God on the side, you know that we don't need to make a big song and dance about it. You just don't need to give a big shout and a big prayer meeting just just gracefully and powerfully just just leave the track click leave the scripture on the side on the train. You know someone will pick that up that God has placed in that pathway. So I really believe that we are being called to cover this nation in The word of God verbally and also with the the literal literally sorry the literally leaving the Bible's the printed version. There's nothing more powerful than the printed version we get by with the electronic but there's nothing fine and then the printed means. So Sandra we thank you for this morning and everybody that's been listening and you can gather us here again next week so wherever you are, thank you so much for the world of the persecuted church. Sandra, we are blessed to have you today. We thank you so much for coming over and sharing a tiny area. Just a tiny area of brother Andrew story, but you can find that on open doors. interesting read. God smuggler over over. I think it was 40 million 40 million books sold worldwide. Absolutely amazing. There we go. All done Sandra with Hey, brilliant stats. God bless. We'll see you soon. All right. Take care. Thank you bye bye.

Close: 41:29

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