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Speaker 2Amen , hallelujah , god bless you wherever you are across the world . We thank you so much for joining us , you know , for these 30 , 40 minutes , as me and myself and mark , of course you know , mark and myself , as we just gather across the other side of the mics , today we have just flipped open the word of god . We We've come in this studio with no notes , with nothing , and we just prayed God give us the scripture and we have come to the beautiful text of Hebrews 11 , verse 1 . Wherever you are across the world , we want to encourage you at this hour . Whatever your time is , whatever your day is , whatever your life is looking like at this moment in time , please , day is whatever your life is looking like at this moment in time . Please never give up hope , because there is always hope , there is always a way forward . The God that we serve , the God of yesterday , today and forevermore , is with you in all situations of your life . All things are possible to those who believe . Mark , how are you going ?
Speaker 3Hi Ben , yeah , keeping well . It's good to be here , as always .
Speaker 2You know , we're in , aren't we ? We're in . We're in For the first time . We've walked into this studio with no notes , with just pure faith , and I believe that's why the Lord's taken us to Hebrews 11 , verse 1 , now faith . I'm going to read this scripture out Wherever you are across the world we're in . Hebrews 11 , verse 1 . Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see . There is so much to get from that text Faith .
Speaker 2Faith is a very interesting word . What is it ? Where does it come from ? What does it look like ? Where does what is ? Where does where does it come from ? Where does this faith come from ? Faith can only come from god , because we can't engineer this ourself , can we ? We can't bring this around ourselves . We can't bring this to the table without having the power of the holy spirit speak directly into us .
Speaker 2But I just want to reference the scripture that I think is very critical to the church , to the , to the believer . The bible says faith comes from hearing the message , and the message is heard through the word of god . So my faith will rise , my faith will grow , my faith will accelerate when I hear the word of god if I am not in the word , my faith will not disappear , my salvation will not disappear we're not referring to that but my faith will just plateau . It will , it will hold its place .
Speaker 2And I would probably go a little bit further on saying that if I do not keep in the scripture , what what will happen is fear will grab hold of me , doubt will grab hold of me , and also , this can get a hold of us even when we are faithful and when we are reading , because climbing the climbing that ladder , climbing that ladder of hope , of goodness , of scripture , takes us to different levels and different places . Not saying anyone is greater than anybody else , but faith is such a powerful , a powerful instrument , a powerful rhythm in our heart . Now , faith , what is faith ? Mark , how would you put the word faith ? What is this substance ? What is it ?
Speaker 3Yeah , I'd say that faith is a gift of God and the Lord tells us in John 15 , verse 5 , that without him we can do nothing verse 5 , that without him we can do nothing . So , true , saving faith is not like the world gives us , it's not like anything we can imagine . It's of God . And actually to receive saving faith there's a cost on our part . But there's always a greater cost . That was from God in the beginning . So faith is here the substance of things hoped for . The evidence of things not seen is what I have here the substance of things hoped for .
Speaker 2Very interesting line , isn't it ? Now , faith . I think the word now the writer is really emphasising , like now , right now , in all situations , in every level of life , in everything that is going on , it's now and that line , that word them , two little words now faith is applicable from when he wrote that , when he spoke it , when he penned it , when this came into existence from his heart , right through to now and forevermore . He's saying now , faith , wherever you are , world , it is . Now We've got to believe . Jesus said just believe . When he was on the shoreline of galilee , he said drop your nets , come and follow me and just believe . I love the fact that jesus was not requiring those fishermen to go and do an alpha course , to do this course , to do that course . I was . I love the fact that jesus just said come and follow me , don't go . He didn't mention church , he didn't mention the religious order and and all the stuff that goes along with the church in the west . He said . He just said to them guys , that was just living and without christ they was without christ . At that point he said drop your nets , come and follow me and just believe .
Speaker 2I think that actually I'll change the word think to actually believe . I believe we are being stripped so far back from religion . Look what's happening in the Church of England today . Look what's happening in the Pentecostal movement . Look at all the carnage and the stuff . I believe God is stripping us back to the shoreline of Galilee . Mark and Jesus is saying drop your nets . Them nets represent everything they had . Drop everything you've got Ben and Mark . Drop everything you've got church . Come and follow me .
Speaker 3Yeah , yeah , you've got to be prepared to let go , and it's all easy thinking that you can do it , but actually that thing you hold dear in order to move forward , yes , into what god has planned for you it actually requires letting go and denying yourself faith and that's why why that rich man went away disappointed , when the lord told him , after he kept all the commandments , to just um sell what he had and he went away .
Speaker 2Wow , disappointed , sad when you think about that . The rich man , the fisherman , the tax collector , all these people that christ spoke to . He required just the one thing follow me . It's so critical , wherever you are across the world , to be a jesus follower , to follow the living word from genesis to revelation . We know that the word of god is the father , the son , the holy spirit . We know that the Word of God is the Father , the Son , the Holy Spirit . We know that the Word of God , genesis to Revelation . We know that that Word is Jesus , is God . We know that , that Word .
Speaker 2So how do I follow Jesus in the 21st century when he's not visible , when he's not touchable , when I can't sit around the Passover table and have a physical conversation because we know that he ascended on Ascension Day ? How do I do this when I haven't got the physicality of Jesus in front of me ? I read the word because he is the word . This is where my relationship , this is where my faith sits , this is where everything that I've got sits within the word of christianity . I follow jesus through genesis to revelation , from new testament to old testament .
Speaker 3Now faith is being sure yeah it's being sure yeah , it's uh saving faith um the acceptance , intellect and affection and the will of god's favor extended to man through christ and we , we have to uh believe that his word , his scripture , um , his plan , everything about god is , is far better than we could possibly imagine amen I was thinking recently about the parable of the merchant that sold all he had to buy the patch of land for the pearl of great price .
Speaker 2Thank you , Jesus .
Speaker 3I mean , we can imagine that there's a place where we go to after we die , but really , if we truly knew this in the depth of our hearts , what a treasure it is , we would give everything and um , I'm still learning just how much I need to give in order to enjoy the lord's benefits and , like jesus , it's a continual stripping back the lord's benefits and , like you say , it's a continual stripping back .
Speaker 3The lord will strip us back if we allow him to , but it's it's quite hard because , um , you're right , mark it's hard yeah , it's hard because what is a strip back ?
Speaker 2in my language , a strip back is all flesh , is all earthly treasures , all this worldly stuff , this weak , woke , this materialism that I'm consumed by , that is around me Everywhere I look , from coffee to cars , from every area of life , this consumerism that is just exhausting and we can't keep up with it . And no one's got enough money and we're trying and we're consumed by this . I've got this . This needs to be stripped back . And to ask God to strip it back , you could look like a very strange person in the face of your family , your friends , your work colleagues . Because when you say I don't want none of these earthly possessions , I want faith , I want God , I want miracles , I want the signs , I want the wonders , you know you become an oddball . Because the world is hungry for materialism , for control , for greed . I've got to have . We're living in a world that is I've got to have , and the Bible says I've got to be stripped back .
Speaker 3Yeah , yeah , and our affections for God as they continue to grow . We desire more and more to live like him . Yeah , so we have to be in the world and not of it . We have to make sure that we're not with one foot in the world and one on our own path that we want . That's terrible . That's so terrible . That's so true .
Speaker 2Mark , isn't it ? So faith in Hebrews 11 , faith to me is believing in this beautiful God that is sovereign . I believe , I believe . But faith as we take it a little bit further is believing for the impossibles of the world to be possible with god . So when we look at our lives and we see everything that's going on and we see that , lord , I need change , but I cannot change this world that I'm in around me . If I do not get this change , this world is going to consume me and wipe me out .
Speaker 2Faith is believing beyond the natural vision of a human being and seeing what we have on the other side of the table . See what we have with our eyes as you look whatever is in front of you at this moment . Do you really want the life that you are living ? Do you really want to continue to live the way you are ? Do you really want to live that way , by by your retina , by your eye ? Because we live by what we see , by what we hear , through sound , through vision , through vision , and it's natural we are programmed by the world to be these robots of this world . And what you have in front of you , that is it . But the Bible says now faith is being sure of what we hope
for . Has the UK church lost all hope ? I believe it has Mark in a massive area .
Speaker 3Well , yeah , there's a lot of darkness and issues that they've taken in , but yeah , when things look terrible on the outside , God is doing something else .
Speaker 2Amen . Thank you , Jesus .
Speaker 3And I was thinking how the Lord said that he is the vine and we are the branches . Yes , lord , and the true church will always stand . The world is not any stronger than us . No , church will always stand . The world , amen , is not um any stronger than us . Um , no , the lord said as well um , the foxes have their holes and birds of the air have their nests , but the son of man hath not where to lay his head , and so we see um , like the , the , the woke church in this land , full with all darkness and hypocrisy and evil . But the true church still stands .
Speaker 3We ought not to let our faith be troubled by the issues in this world , in this world , and that's a great temptation of the enemy to get us to look and give attention to what he's up to . But the Lord , jesus Christ , he said he had nowhere to lay his head and he was poured out , so dependent on the will of God . And yet the Lord provided for the foxes and the birds , but the Lord himself , he was obedient unto death and he lives and reigns forever .
Speaker 2So yes Lord . Thank you , Jesus .
Speaker 3Everything is turned on its head . When we look at the world , it's hopeless . But if we look at the world , it's hopeless , but if we look at the lord jesus christ and look for him by faith , then we have a glorious hope . And and it is a faith in one man . Um the substance of things . Hoped for ? Who ? Who hoped for it ? In the old testament there were . There were forefathers abraham um the old testament , israel .
Speaker 3They hoped for these things that's right but faith through christ is yeah , we're in the gospel age and we have the spirit of God dwelling in us . If we're born again and we find faith to look through these things and we desire Christ more .
Speaker 3We desire to be more like him and he'll strip things back from our lives . And yeah , the Lord commands us to daily carry our cross and it can feel like a burden , but we have to learn to appreciate the cross and the sufferings of this life and everything is turned on its head . But actually , as we grow in faith , we find that things make more sense and it's a journey that far exceeds anything outside of him in this world .
Speaker 2Faith . There you go , wherever you are , it's now faith . So we've got to see ourselves outside of ourselves . We've got to see ourselves walking in a different direction as well . I cannot walk in this robotic way of this consumerism and this weak , woke church that is in the UK that is so alive and so strong but so weak within itself . You know , we've got to walk by faith . We've got to pick up the word of God . You've got to be a warrior . You've got to be set aside . You've got to be like Jonathan and his armor bearer , where they looked over the hedge of the rock face and they went . We're going to take back this half acre . We're going to take back what the devil has stolen and we've got to be careful of these strap lines that the church uses . You've got to be so careful , but we're going to take back territory . We're going to stand up for Jesus . We're going to believe because I'm hoping for change .
Speaker 2I want change in my life . Is there anybody out there that wants to change ? I want to change . I don't want to stay the same . I want to see the glory , the power . I want god to strip me back , but I'm scared because when you're in a full strip back . It's nothing , you , you . There's no control anymore . We are in control of our lives in many , many ways .
Speaker 3Well , that's what we think , I know well , you know , yeah , yeah fear of tomorrow , what will happen on the morrow , but the lord commands us to to so trust him like if , if the lord , uh , if he clothes the lilies of the field Amen . Yeah , how the Lord will provide . Do we truly know that we can depend on the Lord for everything ? And fear is such a my God shall supply all my needs .
Speaker 2So what you're saying is that complete dependency for food , for clothing , for water , for financial helps , complete dependency is complete faith .
Speaker 3Yeah , I'm not saying that we ought to just sort of sell everything we have and be homeless or live in a tent , but I think we worry too much about tomorrow . We look at what's going on around us , and fear is a stumbling block .
Speaker 2Yes , big . So Because when you look about consumerism and what we have mortgages , cars , hp , credit cards , overdraft systems , all this sort of stuff we've been caught into this culture of you've got to have it . As Mark has said in the scripture , that Jesus owns everything . But he owns it , but he hasn't bought it from man , he hasn't been caught by a mortgage company that has strapped us for 25 years . And it's such a difficult subject to talk about .
Speaker 2Yeah , everybody needs a home , everybody needs a vehicle , everybody needs a van , but it's how do I acquire these ? Because they're just instruments , they're just areas , they're just , they're just , they're just areas of our lives that we , we . It's just a home , but we put so much weight into the home , it becomes our castle , it becomes the place that we worship , it becomes higher than god . The car I've got to get a new mercedes , I've got to get a new b BMW . We start to worship the practical stuff and the materialism that is around us , and then we take our eyes off of Jesus and then suddenly there is no faith , it is fear , and suddenly we swap faith for fear over time , and fear drives us because of the fear of if I lose my house , if I lose my car , if I lose my job , I can't go to church on Sunday . I've got to work the fear of man rather than the fear of God , and having the faith to stand on the scripture . You know it's an enormous subject .
Speaker 2Faith Now . Faith is being sure of what we hope for . What are we hoping for , world ? What are you hoping for ? Are you hoping for a business ? Are you hoping for a new car ? Are you hoping for a job promotion ? Are you hoping for that loft conversion , that bigger house that is of the world ? I've got to be hopeful in the scripture because my God shall supply . So I've got to see with eyes of faith . Yes , I need a home . Yes , I need a vehicle . Yes , I need to pay the bills . But where do they sit in my faith ? Walk with Jesus . The Bible says do not store up for yourself treasures on earth .
Speaker 3This is the thing , isn't it ? Yeah , we're often rust , corrupt , so critical , mark . Yeah , we've got to store treasures in heaven . And uh , proverbs 22 , verse 4 , says by humility and fear of the lord , our riches and honor and life . And uh , and that's that's , that's the blessings of the lord , the riches and honour and life from God will far outweigh anything , any amount of material attainment in this life .
Speaker 2Yes .
Speaker 3Because he'll richly bless you and you'll be content . You'll have peace in your heart , you won't be worrying about those things that the world desires to snare you with .
Speaker 2And that's important . You said a very interesting word snare when we understand what a snare is , a snare is probably one of the most dangerous trappings that an animal could get in . Just one leg , one foot , gets caught in a fowler's snare . It's a piece of wire that is staked in the ground . It goes through the loop . It's a very simple thing . As you put your foot in that trap and as you pull , as you pull against it , it cuts into the skin . You know whether you're an animal , you've got four legs or if you're a human being , as you have that snare around your ankle , as you pull against it it cuts deeper , it holds you , it gets tighter and tighter . You know the foul of snare is a deadly thing to be in .
Speaker 3And I believe that's why we can't do this in our own strength .
Speaker 2Completely right .
Speaker 3You can't just pull yourself out from this world . You need the help of the Holy Spirit , amen .
Speaker 2And that's why it's so important . It says here now . Faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see . And it's critical . World , mark and myself and everybody that's under the sound of this podcast , wherever you are , see yourself outside of yourself . Don't allow the commute that you're in , don't allow the M25 , the Dartford Tunnel , the A2 , the M20 , all the local motorways to dictate to you . Don't allow the world , the ivory towers in London , wherever you , dictate to you . Remind yourself who you are in Christ and who am I .
Speaker 2I'm a Bible-believing believer . I'm a born-again , spirit-filled brother or sister . I'm a sinner saved by grace , and every place that the sole of my foot shall tread upon is my territory . Soul of my foot shall tread upon is my territory . Do not be trapped by the four walls and the fences that we incarcerate ourselves with .
Speaker 2There are many people in prisons that we have created ourselves and not under the hand of his majesty's pleasure . In a prison that is concrete , with a jail door , a prison door . We create ourselves external prisons with invisible walls and we allow the invisible walls known as fear to pin us down to what we live . Such a small , parochial stretch . But the bible says go into all the world , preach and teach . Teach the gospel . The world is yours . Every place , every area , every area of this world belongs to the believer that is faithful enough to step out and go . I'm on a journey . I'm going to live for Jesus . I'm going to travel for Christ . I'm going to live for Christ . I'm going to go where the Holy Spirit takes me . Don't live inside the four invisible walls that we create . Don't be fearful . Be faithful .
Speaker 3Yeah , absolutely yeah , the evidence of things not seen . I've got here the proof , indication , evidence like a legal testimony .
Speaker 1A .
Speaker 3Christian believer has a testimony . And we live in this world and , like as you were talking about the four walls I was thinking of , like the electronic prison , like with the phones and technology , it can be a snare as well . It can trap us with with our focus we can be glued to the screens and not find that we're captivated by it all . But the lord desires to set the captive free yes and he that is free is free .
Speaker 2Indeed , that's a beautiful scripture , isn't it ?
Speaker 3yeah , yeah , but we , if you're free , if the lord has set you free and he stripped you back , you've allowed . You've allowed something in your life to be stripped back and you can see the fruit of it please god . That's evidence of of faith and really , when you start to see , oh , there were like 10 different things that I wanted to buy , there can be desires for things in life that are of ourselves .
Speaker 3Yes , but actually , if you're daring enough to really let go of those desires , what's at the root of it the Lord can so quickly set you free . Amen , but we're reluctant . The flesh wars against the spirit .
Speaker 2It does , it really does .
Speaker 3And it doesn't want to let go of certain things .
Speaker 2It's quite frightening . It is frightening . We have to be completely open and honest . Fear and faith run together . Fear and faith , they run very close together . You only got to look at the disciple that jumped out of the boat . He jumped out in faith . Then he looked at the size of the storm around him and then he became fearful and he began to sink . So they run very close together . They're in the same breath , they're in the same heartbeat , but we've got to be faithful , we've got to do everything , and the temperature at the moment and the spiritual temperature and the heaviness of life can almost push faith out of you .
Speaker 2And this government that we've got in the uk is so anti-christ , so against the gospel of peace , so for every other world religion and not for jesus christ of nazareth . Wherever you are across this world , brothers and sisters we've got just a few moments left of this recording , this podcast and wherever you are across this amazing earth that God has brought in , be faithful , be steadfast , trust in the Lord and do not lean on your own understanding . Lean on your own understanding . Sisters and brothers , we've got about nine minutes left and we want to encourage you around the world . Don't be hemmed in by the walls that we create . Be faithful and look outside of the fence of life and say Lord , I want to be . I want to be recognized as a faithful believer in scripture , in Jesus , I want to be remembered . I want people to see me now trusting in God and his unfailing love .
Speaker 2What does life look like in your eyes , wherever you are across the world ? What is your life reflecting at this moment ? Are you trapped by socialism , by the world's trappings , or are you free ? Because who the sun sets free is free . Indeed , there's a great scripture that the Pentecostal movement loves to bounce about on a church day who the sun sets free . We're free .
Speaker 2And then we walk out the church doors and we get in the car that's bought on hp , and then we drive back and we put fuel in the car on credit card , and then we might use a debit card , but then we realize that the money that we're earning isn't enough and then it goes into overdraft . And then we get home and we live in a house that is really not ours . It belongs to the mortgage company . Are you really living ? Are you really living how you want to live ? Are you really tired of life ? At this moment in time . We want to encourage you , find out who you are in Christ .
Now , faith is being sure of what we hope for . What are you hoping for ? Are you hoping that God is going to shape you and mould you , or are you hoping for that promotion ? Are you hoping for the new house ? Are you hoping to be healed ? There's two types of hope . There's the worldly hope , or you can be in the gospel of hope . There's only one place .
Speaker 3We need to be mark yeah , that's right , and I think , uh , as , as you were speaking , just reminded me of how the world , how do we see ourselves and how does , how do we feel in this world are or do we feel that something's not right ? Are we defined by the world ? Because if Christ strips us back and gives us life , he'll show us who we really are , and there's a lot that we have to let go of .
Speaker 2Amen .
Speaker 3And we just can't even see it . We might go to church on a Sunday and think that everything's great and not really give much attention to certain ways of thinking that we just have , that we just covet more riches or lust for someone or numerous other issues anger .
Speaker 2Pride , yeah , the pride of life , mark . The pride of life is so , so corruptive and we can forget that one , can't we ? The pride of man , the pride of life , when that gets in us , that gets in us , you know , through business , through life , through ministry , through every area . Lord , I think the prayer for me is take arrogance away if I'm arrogant , take pride away , take all these worldly things away and increase my faith , increase my faith , jesus .
Speaker 3Yeah , I think the crux of it is that our flesh wars against the spirit .
Speaker 2Yes , it does , so we expect… Completely , doesn't it ?
Speaker 3We expect the spirit to just cleanse us . Romans 5, . We are justified by faith , but are we being sanctified ? Such a difference are we allowing the old life to be stripped back , and that means daring to let go of things that hold us back . Um , like you say , arrogance or certain things . I don't think god , I don't think the spirit just takes it away .
Speaker 2No .
Speaker 3Mark , I think we , if we go long enough in the flesh , we'll find ourselves being chastened .
Speaker 2Completely .
Speaker 3And then we'll recognise it .
Speaker 2You'll really feel the sword of the Lord .
Speaker 3Yeah , we'll recognise what we have to let go of .
Speaker 2Please God but sometimes that's a big drum to beat .
Speaker 3Even as you grow in the faith , substance of things hoped for , the evidence of things not seen . What faith would it take to say I know , lord , that you have power and your ways are good and I need to let go of this . And by faith I'm going . I want to let this go . My flesh doesn't . My flesh wants to hold on to all sorts of bitterness and I'm not even going to grip my teeth . If I forgive someone , I'm genuinely going to have the peace to truly love them .
Speaker 2Wow , as my neighbor and then that great new testament writer writes why do I do the things I hate and why can't I do the things I know that I should do ? So there's that , that war , as you're saying , mark that war . As you're saying , mark that war of skin and bone . There's that war of self . There's that war that rages against the commands of God . There is that fleshly suit that is completely wanting everything of the world . But we've got to recognize that . We've got to die to self and pick up your cross . And that takes faith . That takes faith to say die to self , lord , I've got to give this , that up , this them , that , this Lord , I tell you , brothers and sisters , being a Christian and we are not just talking about , because that word is very , very loosely used being a Bible-believing believer , a John 3 , 3 , born again .
Speaker 2Wow , what a journey . It will be like a yo-yo journey . It will be like a rollercoaster journey . There'll be peaks , there'll be troughs , there'll be mid-places , there'll be mountain experiences , there'll be halfway experiences . 'll be halfway experiences , lord , please , jesus , mark , we've literally got three minutes yep we're there at the door .
Speaker 2How are we going to bring this to some form of a full stop ? Just a comma , maybe , just a ?
Speaker 3yeah , I mean , if we , if we want blessings in life , if we really want to see the fruit of God in our lives and in our families , there is something we have to let go of self . And letting go of self can lead us into places where we could have never imagined . Maybe you're holding a grudge against a family member or family issues , and the Lord can open a way .
Speaker 3Yes , lord please , Because he gives you peace . He gives you peace to go into a place and love your neighbour and not , yeah , to let go of things . Yeah , there's . There's a lot of hurts in life and every , every believer has , has their trial and and we all have to pick up our cross and if we ask of the Lord , he'll give us the sustenance we need .
Speaker 2He'll give us the strength . Thank you , Jesus .
Speaker 3And as we pray and ask for that strengthening , then we'll see it , we'll appreciate it , rejoice in it and yeah it's… .
It's so important , mark , isn't it , to ask god to strip us back of everything , absolutely everything , and say , lord , show us your will and your purpose and your plan . It is critical critical that we seek the face of the father , the power of the word and the holy spirit , and wherever you are across this world . We're're just going to read out Hebrews 11 , verse 1 . As we come to a close , we thank God for Mark , for bringing to the table everything that God has placed on his heart today . We thank God for your lives , wherever you are across the world , and we're just going to read this last scripture from Hebrews 11 , verse 1 . Now faith is being sure of what we hope for , verse 1, . Now faith is being sure of what we hope for . Now , faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see .
Speaker 2Sisters and brothers , we thank you for joining us today , whatever your time zone is around this world . May God strengthen you and bless you in the mighty name of the Father , the Son , the Holy Spirit , and never give up the faith . Keep pressing into the word of God . God is with you wherever you are . Stay safe , stay in the word of God . God loves you . Christ loves you . The Holy Spirit is with you . The Holy Spirit is your comforter . God bless , we'll see you soon . Take care , every blessing to you and your family , or just yourself . Wherever you are , stay safe . Stay in the word In Jesus' name .