The Ten Commandments and Redemption

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Good morning wherever you are today . We've got the chuckles this morning . The chuckle brothers are before you this morning . God bless you . Wherever you are today , may God strengthen you and guide you . You know , never give up hope . We are living in really powerful spiritual times , especially if you're living within the UK . You're seeing the government switching around and changing , but god is still on the throne . He is the king , he is the lord of lords and wherever you are today , we thank you from the bottom of our heart here , simon and myself , for all the shares and everything that's going on across the world of uh , podcasting , uh , for the thousands of downloads that are out there with other stuff that's going on , and you can find us on so many platforms . But we just want to say thank you . Thank you so much for listening to this stuff , simon .

Speaker 2

We're in yeah , good morning , ben . It's great to be across the mics again with you in uh , in sunny swanley the sun is out yeah , the sun is out , the the people are out the sliders are out the skies are blue People are out , the sliders are out , the white socks are out , the tracksuit trousers are tucked in .

Speaker 1

Jesus is alive . We're all in our pyjamas , mate , of course we are .

Speaker 2

We're doing the shopping Before we get into the text today , because we're going to talk again about the Ten Commandments , because last week we were 50 minutes in Ben . We only covered two of them , didn't we , Joe ? So there's a lot to be going on with and we're going to get into a few more , but what landed on our doorstep this week , Ben ?

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Unreal , absolutely so glorious . And the speed it's happened , hasn't it ?

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Yeah .

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Tell us what we got .

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What we got .

Speaker 2

we got then we got a christian straight talk gospel of john , just a very small giveaway and you know just open it up and it's straight into the gospel job , but it's an explanation of um how you can begin a relationship with god through jesus christ . Really great stuff , um , and it's just a little bit about Christian Straight Talk , but they're just great little giveaways and so if anybody wants any of these , we've already put these out on social media , on Facebook and whatever . If anybody wants any of these , just contact us at simon at cstalkuk and we'll get some . Give us your address , we'll get some out to you free of charge for the first batch , yeah yeah yeah , and you know our brother across the table , reverend Delbury .

Speaker 1

Cooper , we've got about 50,000 of these , haven't we ? Yeah , we're hanging out of cupboards . They're everywhere , they're everywhere .

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But they're great . So two weeks ago we sat across the table and thought this would be a good idea .

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And now suddenly , they're everywhere Within 14 days . They're everywhere and it's amazing how God moves , isn't it ? When God is leading you into and the doors open , how things change . You know , in ministry there are so many ministers and people building their own platform . When you build your own platform , it's just impossible . But the speed we can't actually emphasise and just tell people , can we , how this has come around so quick and so powerful with I don't know how to say , with no effort , but do you know what I mean ? Within a blink of an eye , it all fits into place Smooth , seamlessly , yeah , seamlessly . But do you know what I mean with light ? Within a blink of an eye , it all fits into place Smooth , seamlessly , seamlessly .

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And the artwork and the professionalism of these books is absolutely amazing and to get one in your hands it would be absolutely priceless . And to give someone one of these , the Gospel of John . You're giving out the Gospel , you're giving out the Word of God , man .

Speaker 1

And that's what the church should have done , didn't it all this time ? How much literature is on church shelving that really does not talk about God . It's about the ministers . The leaders give to the church , give this , do that when actually the Bibles have got dust on , haven't they ? When you think about it , the Bibles have got dust on and man's literature is flying everywhere .

Speaker 2

I think that's the word in season Ben . I think you know wherever you are across the world , you know , shake the dust off your Bible and open it up .

Speaker 1

Yeah , because that's what we've done here , didn't we ? Through lockdown , I was led to clearly clearing all the shelves off of everything . You know all the different ministries , and when you start clearing the shelves off you different ministries , and when you start clearing the shelves off , you don't realize what took . You actually have what rubbish ? Thousands of pounds worth of printing trees cut down all over the world to promote , to promote a man . So you got rid of all your gq magazines , fhm magazines .

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You got rid of all that . Yeah , your secret st that , yeah your secret stash . You got shot and I just have a Bible .

Speaker 1

And the church just has Bibles . There's no other . Well , the only ministry that we have on the shelf is a ministry that we support and that's Ma'oz , and that's a really powerful ministry in Israel . That's the only one that we have . But the Gospel , the gospel of John , you know , Matthew , Mark , Luke and John , powerful gospels , the word of God , but , yeah , like Simon said , it is a move of God how everything's just going together . But I think what we are seeing is that we need interest in what Simon's brought Again . Obviously , we've got to push our way through this as God leads us , but the Ten Commandments are needed in life , aren't they ?

Speaker 2

Well , here's the deal , Ben . They're not resolutions , are they ? No , they're not like a New Year's resolution . This is a commandment of God .

Speaker 1

Yeah .

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And it's God's moral law .

Speaker 1

Thou shalt go to the gym . It's not .

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Thou shalt eat kebabs on a Saturday night and go to the football team , and smoke 20 fags a week . No . And get a scratch card ? No , none of that .

Speaker 1

This is power the amazing point we made .

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you know , if everyone in the whole world was to live by the Ten Commandments , what a different place it would be .

Speaker 1

But yeah , sorry , even if you look at the church , and the church stripped everything else away and just preached on the Ten Commandments , what a difference that would be .

Speaker 2

Well , it's a mirror for us , isn't it ? It's like looking in a mirror and going , and the thing is , the thing is the the thing is the Bible tells us that if we break one of those commandments , we break the lot , don't we ? I'm in trouble again , and me and you and the majority and I guess , many people listening to this this morning , would have broken almost every one of these as soon as I get out of bed . Before you get out of bed .

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Your eyes open . Sorry , lord , that's ironed the whole lot out .

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This is where we are , because we're human beings . Because we're human beings .

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And God created humanity . And God gave us a guide , a line , the word to follow , but he knew that we wouldn't be able to do that . Then he gives us and he hands over the greatest gift to humanity john 3 16 . God gives us christ . What , who , what ? However , we look at christ redemption . We are redeemed .

Speaker 1

And when you look at this text that someone's brought to us , it is about being redeemed . Because when you look at this text that Simon's brought to us , it is about being redeemed . Because when you look at every one of them , when you fall in that , you get redeemed from that . So redemption is in the Ten Commandments , it is on the backdrop , it's on the underside of the text , because when I fail one of them , as Simon says , they all drop off the peg , but what brings me back to Jesus through God and to God through , is redemption . It's redemption . So when you look at that and you read that , as we know , being redeemed means to be brought back , to be coming back to , we understand what redemption means . So , all of these , when I fall from one of these , I've fallen from all of them , but then I'm redeemed because of the cross , because of Christ .

Speaker 2

And through repentance . And repentance is turning away from the wrong stuff which is outlined in the Ten Commandments , and it's embracing a new way of life , isn't it ? Yeah , see , everyone needs rules and stuff to keep us on track .

Speaker 1

Oh , don't talk about the cameras on the motorway . I've got 12 disciples and I'm on my licence . There's a classic example , isn't it ? I go a little bit fast , I've made a few mistakes , so there's a penalty . It's a price to pay . There's a price to pay . Yeah , so I think I can't . I have to change my driving attitude . You've got to change your attitude , yeah , so I have to change that , because if I do any more I'm in more trouble .

Speaker 2

Yeah because you've never really got that boy racer at your system , did you ? No , no , and you're still driving that XR3 Ford Escort .

Speaker 1

Yeah with a well towel on the back , with brass playing out the old sound system windows undone , random one-way system , no , and the flames are attached , the flames painted on the side of it , but it's the truth , ben , isn't it ?

Speaker 2

And Jesus , as we said last week , when the Sadducees tried to catch him out , and what was the greatest commandment ? He just hit them back to love the Lord , your God , with all your heart , with all your soul , with all your might , with all your strength . And the second one is to love thy neighbour as yourself . And these first four commandments are about loving the Lord , your God , with all your heart , and the last six are about loving your neighbour . So today we're going to get into the third one , ben . And the third one says this . It says you shall not take the name of the lord , your god , in vain , for the lord will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain .

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And that that . That is a . That is a punch on its own without going . We managed to get through two last week just by the skin of our teeth

Power and Misuse of Jesus' Name

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. But when you look at that , you shall not misuse the NIV . I mean says misuse the name of the Lord , your God . How much is ? That misused when you think of TV programs , blasphemous talk .

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It's massive .

Speaker 1

And also it's used in a way of ministry , where people are using jesus's name as a instrument to build their own ministry , but pushing him on the back burner .

Speaker 2

Well denominations you know what ? That's very interesting . You said that because you know I was driving here this morning and , uh , being a a good guy that I am , was listening to a bit of premier praise , because some of the songs are pretty and the amount of songs that just repeated jesus , jesus , jesus , well , it gets kind of meaningless , doesn't it ? If ? You yeah if you're just banging on without any and it's watery , it's not , there's no power to it , and you're right what you say there about people just using .

Speaker 1

Just using Jesus as a commodity . I use that language because that's what it . So . When you look at verse 7 , it says you shall not misuse . Misuse that opens up a door , doesn't it to so much I can misuse it as in blasphemous , getting my own way , manipulating people using that name to get money to build ministry , so that , how do I correctly use that name ? What is it saying in that text ?

Speaker 2

I think , first of all , we've got to recognise the power of that name , haven't we ? The power in the name of Jesus and the power in the name of God ? We've got to have a and we spoke about this before We've got to have a real reverent fear of the name and of the use and how powerful it is , because we've come away from that and , as you quite rightly said , you see it , we've come away from that and , as you quite rightly said , you see it especially stuff that comes out of Netflix .

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every film , TV programmes Off the wall , they'll say Jesus .

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Christ and OMG . Now , oh , my God has become , um , yeah , a catch word , isn't it ? But you wouldn't .

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You wouldn't use . You simply wouldn't use a , a , um , another term or not you wouldn't use . There's loads of other words that you just wouldn't use , but jesus christ is used in so many places around the world for a blasphemous purpose . So when you understand what the name is and we're in the signs of the times , when a lot of the church is going on about revival , we're not in revival , we're in a place of persecution . That's what the Bible says at the end time .

Speaker 1

So to understand what Simon is saying is if I know what that name means , I will not misuse it . You won't misuse it Because I'm in a true relationship . So I will not misuse it because I'm in a true relationship . So even if I'm in ministry , I won't misuse it and I won't manipulate and use that to say this ministry is all about Jesus , when actually all I want to do is draw some money from you . I want to build my profile , I can build a church . So when someone says this is my church or this is my ministry , you're misusing the name of the Lord because it's not about you . You are a servant and you are a slave to righteousness and it says , Ben , that for the Lord will not hold him guiltless .

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Who takes his name in ?

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vain .

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Mate , you don't want to get on the wrong side of God , do you ? No ?

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because right now , Come on , it says in the old Testament . It says God says to the Israelites and the leaders I will be an enemy to your enemies . What in the world ? Who wants God to be your enemy ? When you really seriously look at that text Now , we have a mass percentage of church within the westernized world Just shouting out there at the moment God is love . I know he's love , but god is coming back to judge the world and the bride of christ is being prepared . Not the church as in the way we know it , because the church misuses a certain percentage of the church I should say sorry , misuses the name of the Lord , thy God simply by not teaching the gospel to Jesus Christ .

Speaker 2

Don't teach the gospel , ben , and you know there's lots of other points we're going to come on to , but just on that point , ben , you mentioned it and we sat across the table talking about it the other day and many churches now they don't even have a cross in the church .

Speaker 1

No , the TV I've spoken in a few churches . I've been in a few churches . I've been in a few churches lately and and I've looked . First thing I've done is look around . Where's the cross ? Where's the cross ? It's gone . The cross has to be in every room , because that's what it's about . Everything brings us to the cross . The gospel of john takes us to the cross matthew , mark , luke and john . Genesis is about redemption , because it's the fall . So the cross is under the fabric of the text in Genesis redemption .

Speaker 2

Seriously , how can you have a church without a cross ? I don't understand it .

Speaker 1

How can you have a ministry without Jesus being the centre ? How can you have ? If you look at the Old Testament and the New Testament , what is in ? What does it all point to ? When the Old started , as soon as it started , it was pointing straight away to the cross and then from the cross . So everything springs from the cross .

Speaker 2

I think you're right and you bring up a real interesting point and it's something I haven't really thought of before . But if you're standing there and going this is my ministry you're in big trouble , because if you're making everything point towards you , you know Jesus said in John 15 , 5 , he said I am the vine . You are grafted into the vine . You can do nothing apart from me . But if you start going off talking about yourself and the side post is all about you and how you've done this and you sit there and go , I've done this , I've done that Whenever someone uses I , me or my more than Jesus , then , we're in trouble , aren't we ?

Speaker 1

You're 100% right , because when you look at Christ so many biblical reference he doesn't talk about himself . He says I'm here to do the father's will . So that clearly explains to me in verse 7 of exodus he knows what the , the name of the lord and what , not how , and he knows not how to misuse that name because he is respectful , not my will . When I'm building my world and my ministry , it's I , and it's very interesting about the seven I am's in the Gospel of John I am the bread of life . I am and all that stuff , but man uses that as well . I built this church . This is my ministry . I am the CEO .

CEO Role in Ministry

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If anyone is a CEO , I'd love to challenge CEOs in ministries . Why are you a CEO of the cross ? Because there ain't a CEO of the cross . If anyone puts themselves as a director of a ministry , that's the worldly terminology . I honestly don't believe . I honestly believe this with all my heart . There should be no CEO . It should be worded biblically because a CEO , you will not find a CEO in the Bible . When you use CEO , you're using worldly terminology and you are a businessman . You are not a preacher of the gospel .

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And that's the sad part , isn't it ? So churches have become businesses , corporate , elite environments , and here's the deal . I read a quote by… .

Speaker 1

That's beautiful .

Speaker 2

Well , I read another quote by Hudson Taylor yesterday and it said the church has got far too many celebrities and not enough servants . And that's… Bang on the button .

Speaker 1

So verse 7 of what we're talking about is critical . If you know the name and you don't misuse the name , you will be under submission and you will be a servant , because you won't elevate yourself , because greater is he that is in me than he that is in the world . And the bible says at the name of jesus , every knee shall bow .

Speaker 2

Wow I mean , you just thrown out a scripture there . Philippians says it too , too . I think it's done here , isn't it ? It's flattened , it's flattened you , it's flattened your ministry .

Speaker 1

It's flattened your life , it brings you to surrender . Wow . So when you misuse the name of the Lord , this is a critical thing for the westernised church . If the westernised church doesn't come back to the cross , it's going to hell . It's going to hell .

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It's in danger , you're in danger . It's no in-between level .

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That's the truth . That's the other side of the cross . I mean the left or the right , whenever you look at that cross . When that thief said , don't forget me , he said within a twinkling of an eye you'll be with me . And the other one went . So there's two sides to the cross . It's heaven or hell . That's what we need . And if the church would just preach look at that . Imagine if the sermons were oh , I've got to calm down because I'm on it today , lord help me .

Speaker 2

There's only Jesus and God , our Father . Who's really got any right to say I am , I am . And he says in John 14 , 6 , I am the way , the life and the truth , didn't he ?

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Yeah .

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No one comes to the Father except for me . Now , either he was an egotistical maniac or a madman or you know or he was telling the truth . Now , if he's telling the truth , then that name is the greatest name above all names . It has to be respected , but it's not . We live in a world . Listen to this . This will shock you , right ? These last three days , I've had my two grandkids . It's tough , that was tough .

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Three days straight . It's like God . This is endurance . It's tough . Do you feel like Paul on the boat when he was being shipwrecked ?

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Completely .

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I despised of life itself , he said .

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So not only do they take up your time and you're tired out , but they empty your wallet as well . So they've got you on both angles , but they're very funny and very beautiful . There's a lot of love there . But my youngest grandson he was very , very bright , very intelligent I won't say his name , but he's five years old , right and he sat there and he started using the word Jesus . You see , now they go to a church school , right but he was using it in the wrong context .

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Really .

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Because what they watch .

Speaker 1

Yeah , yeah , I see Gotcha , yeah On YouTube or whatever .

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It's ingrained in their language . So I had to sit down with him and I said you know about Jesus ? He said yeah , and he died on the cross . I said , well , don't use his name , use some other name . Don't use his name , because it's very precious that name . And so we had a discussion and by the end of it he was okay and my wife says no , you say oh gosh , or something . You know , don't use that , but as young as five right .

Speaker 1

See , it's been indoctrinated earlier and there is innocent , and they are innocent little babes . So whatever they're hearing , that's it . He says well , I'm just saying his name Grandad , I'm just saying his name Grandad .

Speaker 2

He says yeah , but if you're calling him and you don't really need him , then you're not using it correctly .

Speaker 1

I think he said a really interesting point , didn't he ? I'm just using his . So teaching is critical , correct , sound doctoring .

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You're right .

Speaker 1

So if it's just a name , but this is a name above all names- this is a name above all names , so that verse 7 has literally brought us to a point of explosion . Verse 7 , you have to understand the name . If you know the name , you will not misuse the name . Because ? Why ? Because you love him . But more than that , you know the wrath and the misuse . Now the Bible says God is a jealous God and he will not be . He will not be manipulated and he will not be shaped and he will not be mocked .

Speaker 1

So coming back to this little word coming off the Bible in a minute , guys , the meaning of CEO . I've just flicked it up online and this is what it means . So whoever is out there that is a minister that puts this over your door , tell me where you find this in the Bible . A chief executive officer , the highest ranking person in a company or an institution , their responsibility is for managerial decisions . So all you are is a manager of a business , you're not a servant . So we are in trouble . If you follow a ministry where on that website , on their card , says CEO , they are building their kingdom . Job done . If you follow someone and they are nameless and faceless and they lift up in the name of Jesus , they're servants . I know I've brought in the word CEO to what we're doing , but it's very relevant because that word CEO is lifting up the skin higher than the king , isn't it ?

Speaker 2

So what happens if you call yourself a president ? You're in trouble .

Speaker 1

All these , you're in trouble . You really are , because you are . I am the president of this .

Speaker 2

I am . Are you really ? Oh wow .

Speaker 1

No , no , no , no , no . Hold on a minute . Titles are dangerous . Titles are dangerous Because a title bigs me up . Can I be the vice president ? You certainly can . Of what ? Nothing . There you go , Because the book of Ecclesiastes is clear Everything is meaningless . Everything's meaningless , yeah , Except the greatest name . Now God said I have given him the name Emmanuel . What does that mean ? God with us .

Speaker 2

Just on that point , right , a couple of years ago they made me the UK lead in this ministry . That came over from Texas and we were all cracking on with it , yeah , yeah , yeah . But when , obviously , covid came , I looked at it and I thought I ain't the UK , I haven't lead in nothing here Because you're at home locked down . You're sitting in the loo so I give it back to them and nothing here .

Speaker 2

You're at home , locked down so I'll give it back to them and said I'm sorry and they've got someone else now , but you can't hang on to stuff , can you ? And you're quite right , ben we're nothing .

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We're nothing without him . The bible says you are a son and a daughter .

Speaker 2

And here's the deal with the name Jesus Used in the correct way , it is the most powerful name , above all names in Jesus' name . But how many times do even fellow Christians go oh , say that in Jesus' name , Do even fellow Christians go .

Speaker 1

Oh , say that in Jesus' name , Without actually understanding the power in that name . There's power in the name . So if a ministry is promoting and I can't use , I can't stand . What I'm saying is promoting or giving Jesus to the world , that ministry will flourish because you are giving Jesus and it's not really a ministry . Because when you look in the Gospels and what it says about ministry , it says that they sold everything they had and they gave to the poor . They didn't own anything .

Speaker 2

I'm a big believer , ben . Right now I don't think the Lord wants these big ministries . These big ministries , they're collapsing . Yeah , he doesn't want them , they're shrinking .

Speaker 1

He just wants a couple of guys with a heart for him , just to share the gospel of Jesus Christ , just to tell your neighbour Jesus loves you . Here's the deal , right .

Speaker 2

We said last week you know you can't serve two masters and we're talking about putting things before God . But if you're earning a living , from a ministry then the first thing you're going to worry about each month is where's that money going to come from ? Where's my wages ? So you ain't going to worry about the Lord , are you ? You're not going to put him first .

Speaker 1

You're going to put… the fundraising first , fundraising first , so , simon , has made… .

Speaker 2

Yeah , the fundraising first .

Speaker 1

Simon has made a very interesting point , and the way that we bring this to the Bible because this is always in the Bible is the Bible says there are hired hands and there are shepherds . A hired hand we have behind pulpits because they are hired and they are paid A shepherd is something completely different . So when you understand what it says in verse 7 , you shall not misuse the name of the Lord , thy God , the ministry , the calling . So we have to bring it to a calling . What are you called to ? I'm called to follow Jesus . That's all I'm called to do .

Speaker 2

You've made a great point because , because me , yeah , yeah , me , yeah . You made a great point . Because , ben , if you're using jesus to bring in a few quid , using the name of jesus to bring in a few quid every month , before you've got out of bed , you need a certain amount to live .

Speaker 1

Yeah , Come to my church . You're in trouble Because people relate the word church to Christianity , religion . But you're misused . So you are a salesman , or you are a CEO , or you are a director .

Speaker 2

You're not a servant , even Paul , the Apostle St Paul , you know the greatest evangelist ? Yeah , and the greatest , he was a tent maker , a tent maker , even Jesus .

Speaker 1

Jesus was a .

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Builder a carpenter .

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Go out and get a job . But when you look at the way Christ spoke , he did not lift himself . Where did you ever see him giving himself a bit of literature at here ? Fellas , here's my card . Here is my minute . I'm building my ministry . Here you go , look , click onto this QR code and you'll find me . Do you know what I mean ? All he said was I'm here to do the Father's will . And he said a very impacting part of that message I'm not here to do my will . So what in the world ? Jesus was your will ? He says that three or four times in the Gospels I'm here to do his .

Speaker 2

Well , I think it's very clear , ben . I think it's very clear for each and every single one of us listening to this podcast today , because we can't fulfil any of these commandments without the Holy Spirit .

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We can't do it in our own flesh .

Speaker 2

We're fleshly people , ain't we ? Yeah , and we can't turn our head away from that pretty girl over there without the Holy Spirit , because the flesh wants to .

Speaker 1

You can't leave the scratch card without the alcohol . You can't leave the gambling . You can't leave the addictive social media stuff you can't . The flesh is addicted because the Bible says each man is drawn away by his own lust . So there is something within a human being that will try to draw you away from Jesus Christ , but it can't draw you in because you are grafted in . But your flesh is always trying and the Bible says in Matthew the spirit is willing and the flesh is weak . That's very clear . But when I know the name , I start to find my life gets easier . You start , yes , because… I'm not misusing it , it's not for me You're not misusing it .

Speaker 2

No , because Jesus said come to me all those who are troubled and heavy laden , I will give you rest . Now , how many times have you or I been out somewhere and we've just gone ? Jesus , I need you . I need you . Lord , help me . That is the powerful way to use that . I know we laugh at this .

Speaker 1

I know we laugh at this when I say this , but I literally wake up in the morning and I honestly say with my heart God , please help me . I actually don't know I'm going to get through the day without you , and that is my heart's cry . Every morning I lay there as soon as my eyes are open , before I'm literally alert . I'm Lord , help please . I'm just , I need you , god , and my heart is crying before I'm literally , because we know what we have to face through the day and if I don't have god and the holy spirit helping me , I'm in serious trouble .

Speaker 2

serious trouble , ben , because I'm not trying to tell anybody that listen , and we're all there . We're all there , ben , I am I need the same we need Jesus to get us through the day , because if we left our own devices , we're all over the shop , aren't we ? I'd be a CEO .

Speaker 1

Because when you look at that , I keep talking about this , you're a legend in your own lunchtime .

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I am and I'll be eating my lunch on my own . Do you know what I mean ? But verse 7 , we haven't even moved , we're never going to move from that you shall not misuse . So I need to understand , as a believer , what does it mean ? Who is God ? Where is God ? Why is it so important not to misuse his name ? What is the purpose of the seven I am's ? Why did Jesus say I'm not here to do my will , when actually you're the image of the seven I am's ? Why did Jesus say I'm not here to do my will when actually you're the image of the invisible ?

Speaker 2

So that line alone is so deep and so entrenched in solid foundation in Jesus and the only way you get to understand that is to get into a closer relationship with Jesus Christ . And it doesn't happen in your head . It can't it happens in your head . It can't it happens in your heart .

Speaker 1

No . So if someone was to look at that line and go , you shall not misuse the name of the Lord , thy God . Okay , but you're talking about God , but actually that's Jesus as well .

Teaching and Preaching Jesus Christ

Speaker 1

Because the Gospel of John , isn't it amazing ? Come back to the Gospel of John . First one of chapter one In the beginning was the Word . And the Word was with God and the Word was God . And the Bible says in John , chapter 14 , verse 1 , the Word became flesh . Colossians says Christ is the image of the invisible God . So in that line Jesus is . In that line .

Speaker 2

He's in that line totally .

Speaker 1

He's in that line .

Speaker 2

Of course he is . You know he's God we don't misuse . So don't misuse Jesus' name . Jesus don't misuse God , the Father , and don't blaspheme the Holy Spirit .

Speaker 1

But your little grandson has brought an interesting thing to the table because he said it's what I'm taught basically . So who teaches him the church ? Hang on a minute . Now I'm being really skating on thin ice . It's unusual . It's very unusual , isn't it ? If we look across the broad spectrum of church , is the church teaching and preaching Jesus Christ ?

Speaker 2

Well , I said to him so look , take him for an example . I said to him . I said you can talk to Jesus and that's called praying . He said , yes , we do pray . We put our hands together and we pray at the end of the day , but some of them prayers go on quite a long time .

Speaker 1

I tell you what God is speaking through your grandson very clearly yeah , so what does that mean ? So automatically we go the Lord's Prayer . Jesus said don't be like the Pharisees and the Sadducees standing on the street corners for the sound of the . Then he drops in the middle of that the Lord's Prayer . Then he says at the end of that , and don't be like the pagans that love the sound of their own voice .

Speaker 1

It's a simple thing , a simple prayer Help me Jesus , help me Jesus . No-transcript , they're a bit long , grandad . I'm only saying what I've been taught . Now , what is the church I'm going to go ? What is a lot of denominations doing ? They are only doing what the leaders have taught them to do .

Speaker 2

So the teachers taught them because he said we pray , we put our hands together and that's great , but you don't need to do that do you , you don't need to put your hands together .

Speaker 2

I said look , jesus is your friend . Anytime you're in trouble , you just call out to him , and that's when you use that name properly . If more of that is taught , then we've got Jesus moving , haven't we ? We've got Jesus moving . There's momentum with that . Otherwise , we are going to run down this line of oh yeah , on that TV program they just called out Jesus and they just used it as an exclamation or a curse word . So if we can teach our young kids and this falls on parents too , isn't it ? Parents and grandparents and anyone who has a deep relationship with young people you've got to just explain to them exactly what the name of Jesus is and how it's taught , because otherwise we're just rolling downhill and this thing's just going to be done and that's where we sit in different denominations .

Speaker 1

So when you look at denominations , a big percentage of denominations have slid . They've slid away from the gospel of jesus christ . But when someone's talking about teaching children , the bible says teach a child in the way that it should go . So where does the teaching start ? The teaching starts indoors , yeah , but if the adults or the christians are not getting the correct doctoring , it's not going to come through the food line , the chain of conversation . But if the church is preaching the gospels of Matthew , mark , luke and John , if the church is preaching and teaching about marriage and Adam and Eve and not Adam and Steve , if the church is really preaching the gospel and the foundational points of creation , if I know what creation really is and how powerful it is , and eschatology , if I've got the two ends of the Bible , the beginning and the end , then suddenly I work my way in . And where do I work ? To the cross .

Speaker 2

Yeah , yeah , no , it's all . It's the centre of everything .

Speaker 1

Jesus is centre , christ is centre and with that we find God . Because Jesus says Simon said it , the Bible says it , I am the way to the I am . Because he uses the I am so he's using the terminology when God himself , jesus , was in , when Moses was in his presence . When he says I am that I am so when jesus said I am the way , the truth , he's directing humanity to him , but to god , but through him , because we've got to be sifted and washed in the blood before we go to the father

Misuse of Jesus' Name and Power

Speaker 1

. It's not complicated , ben , it's not complicated .

Speaker 2

Ben , it's not complicated , and I honestly think there's this doctrine out there that says it has to be complicated . It wants it to be complicated ? Yeah , but Jesus never made it complicated .

Speaker 1

No .

Speaker 2

Jesus never made it complicated . I heard a thing with with billy graham the other day and he said he was preaching at , I think , cambridge university in the uk and , um , they came to him afterwards and said your preaching is too complicated and he said but it's very simple . He said yeah , the students can't get their head around it that it's that simple .

Speaker 1

Isn't that amazing ? Just crazy , isn't it ? It's too complicated but it's so simple we can't get it . Yeah , because that's where education and the Bible deals with education . Education and knowledge puffs up , but the word gives revelation . So when the word cannot be received by education , the word is only received by revelation . So intelligent people struggle because the intelligence and the human mind is trying to always outwit creation , because it can't seem to grasp that God just said let there be light , and there was .

Speaker 2

This is interesting , ben , and you've brought me to this scripture that just reminded me , and it's just because we're going slightly off track . But it's not off track , it's where we're going because it is the knowledge , and it's from Jeremiah 9 , 23 and 24 , and it says this . It says Thus says the Lord Let not the wise man boast of his wisdom , let not the mighty man boast of his might , let not the rich man boast of his riches but let him who boasts boast in this , that he understands and knows me , that I am the Lord who exercises loving , kindness , justice and righteousness on earth , for I delight in these things , declares the Lord . Don't boast in yourself , don't use the name of the .

Speaker 1

Lord , don't CEO yourself .

Speaker 2

Don't CEO yourself , boast in .

Speaker 1

Jesus . So what am I ? I'm a servant of the King . You're a servant . Imagine seeing that on ministries when it says who we are and what we do , I am a servant of Jesus . Someone tell me or text me where that says on a ministerial page I am a servant of Jesus . You can't get a bigger calling . You can't get a bigger , bigger , bigger up than actually say I am a servant of the King .

Speaker 2

But we use worldly terminologies and we misuse the name of the Lord , thy God , building our own kingdom , totally , totally .

Speaker 1

So how do I , as a believer , not build me up , but build Jesus up and not misuse the name of the Lord ?

Speaker 2

Well , quite simply , you put him first , don't you ? So yeah , you put him first you get to know him , you spend time getting to know him and spend and don't , and don't go out of your way to build your own kingdom up .

Speaker 2

Any kingdom has to be built and has to be . I mean , listen , both of us here are not perfect . We've all run down different routes where we thought , yeah , this would be good , Definitely . And we end up spending a couple of bob , don't we , on things that we've Misuse . When you put Jesus first and let him open the doors for you , look what happened to these little gospels In two weeks , we've got 1,000 of them sitting in the pod room here .

Speaker 1

It's just beyond so , the misuse of the name of the Lord , our God . I've got to understand what the name is , why he's been called . There's so much in this . There's so much in the misuse of . There's so much in that isn't there . It's like it blows your thinking .

Speaker 2

But if in your answer again to the question , how do we get around ? That is to understand the power of the name . So if we understood the power of the name of Jesus , if we understand the power of the name of the Lord , our God , I won't misuse it . You won't misuse it .

Speaker 1

If you understand the power of the Holy .

Speaker 2

Spirit , you won't blaspheme , you won't take it because you're under conviction . Yeah , you're right , because you understand that that name is so powerful and it can help us out and it can be with us and we never want to be away from it . We want to be with Jesus , we want to be following Jesus , we want to keep our hands to the plough and follow him and not look back . So important , it's so important If we don't , very quickly , I mean look , you've only got to be half a degree out Just a tiny speck at the very beginning and you've missed it .

Speaker 2

Southern and you've missed it . And that's the subtleness of the enemy . So the enemy will come in . And how many times , ben and you can tell us ? How many times have we got people , men and women , started off in churches with the greatest intentions , they were loving the Lord and all of a sudden , that little thing self ?

Speaker 1

gets in there . It's gone from a servant to now I'm a CEO of an organisation that is not relevant to the kingdom of God , because I'm kingdom building for myself .

Speaker 2

We're not going to mention any names here because you know they're the Lord's men and women and whatever . But you know there was one person who led an amazing church and we saw amazing things happen in the UK , but now he builds himself up as an actor and also a guru and a motivational speaker and it's all about me rather than Jesus .

Speaker 1

So , for quickness , if I want to follow a ministry , you will find the people that are the servants of the ministry will not put themselves as CEOs . They will be almost disappearing because as soon as you crack open that ministerial page , it has to be about Jesus , it has to be about the Gospels , salvation . If it's not about that , it's about the organisation .

Speaker 2

It's very interesting Look things… .

Speaker 1

We're there at the door , aren't we ?

Speaker 2

Yeah , but things you know , organisations , organisations , and they have to have leaders , right , and they have to have leaders and the leaders have to make godly decisions . But then the fine line comes , when you step over to Mark , and it becomes about you , not about Jesus . It has to be about Jesus , yeah , so… and it becomes about you not about Jesus .

Speaker 1

It has to be about Jesus , yeah , so . I'm learning a lot . I've made some serious mistakes and I'm so sorry , god , where I've failed you , when I've tried to build me and I've not delivered the gospel . I've preached wrong messages . I've delivered something because I've heard another ministry and I've tried to copycat something else . Are you going to take that statue down ? Actually , no , I'm going to paint it . I've got someone coming and putting gold , putting a gold leaf over the top of it . I must sort my facial expressions out a bit better .

Speaker 1

I need a bit more chiselling . I've lost a bit of weight since then .

Speaker 2

But no , we joke and we laugh , but it's the truth . It's the truth . If you've got something where it's all about , I've seen you can see these .

Speaker 1

All of us do it about me because it's built in the skin . It's built in the skin . You've only got to look at Rayab . People are going what ? What do I look at Rayab for ? If you look at Rayab , the prostitute with the spires , she lied blatantly . What for ? To save her own skin . All she was interested in was her family getting out of a situation . And it's funny what a human being will say when your back is against the wall . You know .

Speaker 2

And I love this . We've said in this you know , take the name of the Lord , your God , in vain , for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain . And you know , pride is a massive thing and it's the enemies . It brought down the enemy and it brings down many , many people , because pride and ego is putting ourselves before the Lord and using stepping on , really stepping on the name of Jesus , stepping on the Trinity to… .

Speaker 1

Yeah , that's what it's about …catapult yourself into something To accelerate me to the Godhead . That is a serious line and I feel that , well , we have and we haven't . We haven't even dived into it , haven't even opened up the envelope of it . Because in that line you've got salvation , you've got doctrine , you've got forgiveness , you've got everything just in verse 7 . You've got so much . The more you look at it , the more you realise that you haven't opened the can of the lid of it yet . It's just so much of it .

Speaker 2

But all this stuff , these three , if we've only done the three commandments . Love the Lord , your God do not make a craven image . Don't tell the Lord , your God . All these , the first , those three and the next one which you remember , the Sabbath , and we'll go into that next week . But they're all about getting to know God , all about getting to know .

Speaker 1

Jesus and loving him , and they're all about taking your eyes off yourself .

Speaker 2

Take your eyes off yourself . Not my will , but your will .

Speaker 1

be done for Just lift up , jesus , just lift up .

Speaker 2

Jesus . It has to be Jesus , doesn't it ? We lift Jesus up to the Father .

Speaker 1

Seek ye first the kingdom of God .

Speaker 2

And everything else We'll be added . Yeah , we'll be added .

Speaker 1

So , whatever your calling is , you don't need to build your calling , because you've been called to deliver what you've got to deliver and don't put the pound note or the dollar . The website , the Twitter feed before Jesus . Just lift up Jesus . Just lift up Jesus , just give the world Jesus .

Speaker 2

If you're looking for people to give you money , go and get a job .

Speaker 1

Go out and get a job .

Speaker 2

Drive Tesco's deliveries , drive a supermarket delivery thing . Stack shelves . Do something and give the gospel out and see how happy you'll be .

Speaker 1

So the challenge is isn't it to the world ? Give Jesus rather than self , and watch him . My God shall supply all my needs according to his riches in glory .

Speaker 2

Oh , you've summed it up . You don't need to add any more to that . Ben , to be honest with you , You've summed it up and we just say thank you for listening to all the people across the world who listen to this . And don't forget these little gospels .

Speaker 1

They're just great things , just give the gospel .

Speaker 2

You know we can supply you with some of these if you want some . Don't forget Simon at cstalkuk and get in contact with us and we'll get something out to you . That's not a problem , we're done . Yeah , we're done . Have a great week , lift up in the name of Jesus , and we'll see you again next time .

Speaker 1

God bless Perfect . Thank you , God .