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Speaker 2We're back in . This is for the David platform , exclusively for the David platform . We're going to continue what we're talking about in our first video , which is about truth . Ben , we're going to talk about truth and we're going to discuss a little bit more and a little bit of different , a bit more edgy , yeah , a little bit edgy on this one . So , welcome again , uh , patreon family and um , you know we love you , we , uh , we want to support you as well as you supporting us . So , uh , we thank you again for being with us and uh , yeah , we're going to talk about truth , ben and um , we talked about a lot about truth in and we centred around one scripture John 8.42 , which is… we can't come away from that .
Speaker 1You can't get away from that , can you ?
Speaker 2But tell us Ben about the truth in the church . Oh Lord .
I'm sorry , Patreon family .
Speaker 2The church has come away from the truth , hasn't it Ben ?
Speaker 1So even if you look at these denominations , we're obviously in England . We're in England . So if you look at the denominations that we've got in England the big churches , the smaller churches if you look at these denominations , they have come away from the word of God . So much is quite frightening . Now I'm not saying that I've got this right , because I haven't got it right at all , but I realize when I come away from the word of God because I come under conviction I don't know if there's anybody else out there Of course you are Patreon family , but when you find that the Holy Spirit is bringing you conviction , you have to change the errors of your ways . But when you are teaching the word of God , if you don't deliver that truth what happened in the arena with the Pharisees , the Sadducees and our good old friend Judas Iscariot you got blood on your hands . This is so serious . So the church in the UK has , in a massive percentage of the church in the UK , has got blood on its hands because it's not delivering the truth .
Speaker 2The problem is , ben , is this is that if you're not delivering the truth and you continue not to deliver the truth , you don't get conviction because your heart is seared . That's very true . And so what happens is you just… your heart , like Pharaoh , becomes hardened , becomes hardened , and you just end up… .
Speaker 1Delivering a TED Talk .
Speaker 2Delivering a… .
Speaker 1Yeah , down down that narrative , down that route , ben and and and suddenly you believe that's the truth , rather than what the bible says is the truth , ben , it's very , it's very difficult , I think , as church leaders , if you're a preacher or a teacher , you're an encourager or you're an evangelist , you're doing whatever you're doing , you're calling and you've got to deliver the truth . Whatever part of the globe you are in , certain nations can accept it more , but within the wokeness of the uk and england , when you look how weak we are , as in strength , wise , spiritually , not because god has left us or passed us by , but because the church now the church has more responsibility than governments has come away , as simon said , from the truth
. From the truth , ben , yeah , and we've got to get back to it .
Speaker 2We've got to get back to the word and have we gone too far for the majority ? Or or because you know well , the enemy is having a field day and and don't never think the enemy's out there with horns and a pitchfork , he's in the church , he's been .
Speaker 1He's got a collar on . He's got a Bible under his arm .
Speaker 2And the thing is , it's okay , isn't it ? The enemy will go . It's okay for you to go to church , you know an hour or two on a . Sunday , that's okay , you're not really disturbing me . You an hour or two on a Sunday , that's okay , you're not really disturbing me . You can sing all you like , that doesn't disturb me . You can go to your Bible study , you can do all that . It's only when you know who you are in Christ . Never let them know who they are in Christ , because then we're in trouble .
Speaker 1Yeah , as soon as you start talking Scripture and start being really bold for Jesus , suddenly you realise that this truth that is welling like fire within you , suddenly you become a target . You become like a dartboard for people around you . You become a punch bag .
Speaker 2Two words that are not really put together is a dangerous Christian , Ben , isn't it ? Because you ?
Speaker 1become like you become a I was going to use a word then . I've got to be careful because of what platform we're on . But when you are filled to the full measure of Christ , you are armed and you are dangerous with the living word of God and suddenly you become a dangerous component in the arena , in the boxing ring with the enemy , even in political , even in your workspace , even in university and college and school and just general family . Look what happened . Look what happened to our friend Joseph that has given me a beautiful garment . Look what I got . Brothers , you've got to be careful who you share your blessing with . Yeah , yeah , that's the truth .
Speaker 2You do , you , you got to be careful who you share your blessing with . Yeah , yeah , that's the truth , you do .
Speaker 1You do have to be careful if you've got blood , the same blood , in your vein . So you've got to be careful who you talk to , about what god is calling you to , because there's nothing finer than the enemy that snake on that branch speaking to eve going , are you sure ? And what is he coming against ? He's coming against against . He's coming against the truth , he's coming against the truth .
Speaker 2And you know , if you're out there and just thinking about putting your toe in the water or whatever , you know you will get this come to you . You know , in your thought pattern it'll be something like oh , that Jesus stuff . Oh , that's all true , but it's not for you just yet . You've got so much fun to enjoy .
Speaker 1No , it's all right , don't worry , it's okay , are you sure ?
Speaker 2Are you sure ? Yeah , just have fun . But so all what's happening in the world at the moment , Ben , is all predicted in this book called the Bible . Now , if you go to 2 Thessalonians 2 , Ben , it talks about the lawless man , doesn't it , Ben ?
Speaker 1Wow , and it talks about evil's undiluted power .
Speaker 2It does For a certain amount of people that refuse the truth .
Speaker 1Now very interesting , and it says the believers will be deceived ,
even the elect .
Speaker 1Even the elect . So what we have now , I believe , is the great falling away . I believe that we're in this great falling away because the truth hasn't been spoke from the pulpits , it's not the requirement and it's not from government departments . The church in this nation , in the UK , needs to stand up and get behind the pulpits , get on the straight corners and preach the gospel of Jesus Christ , because if we don't , we will find that this vessel that we're sailing in will sink deeper and deeper , spiritually low .
Speaker 2Well , we are talking to individuals out there , Ben . And what we'd say is if you're in somewhere , if you're in a church where the gospel is not being preached in , you need to get into it . You seriously ask a few questions . You need to get into , seriously ask a few questions . We need to get into this word and I have the privilege of going around and speaking in many different platforms and what I see is not many Bibles out there Ben not many people getting into the word of God .
Speaker 1I think what we've fallen into is a dangerous trap of technology . Yes , it's great and we thank God that we can do what we do with our Patreon family and other places with technology . But we've got the Bible on the phone , we've got the Bible on the iPad and what we find is the distractions that come along .
Speaker 1You're sitting in church . You've got a text come through , you've got a message . Social media pings up . There's nothing finer than grabbing yourself the old-fashioned bit of paper and you know . It's nothing finer than getting yourself a word of god and marking the pages , you know and uh , and just getting yourself immersed in the scripture . There's nothing finer .
Speaker 2You've got to be careful of devices , but there's nothing finer than the , than the , the paperback version of the living god , there there's an old saying , Ben , if you find a person with a worn-out Bible , you don't find a worn-out person . I'm into that one . Your Bible's pretty new Ben , isn't it ?
Speaker 1Too much brand new . Yeah , I've had it 14 years . I haven't taken the packing off the front of it . Do you know what ? I've got a Bible somewhere here over there ? Do you know what I've got a ?
Speaker 2Bible somewhere here over there . There's no cover on it . There's no cover , there's no index in it .
Speaker 1It's literally torn and ripped . I've got one part of the Gospel of John missing and I have to write on the top of it what's coming next . You know because I've used it . You ain't got a book of Job in there , have you ? Ben ? Who's Job ? I thought that was taken out . I thought the Catholics took that out . I didn't know nothing about that .
Speaker 2Listen , ben get in series Ben Romans 1, . It says he's been handed over , we've been handed over , and they know the truth but they believe the lie . They know the truth but they believe the lie .
Speaker 1The delusion .
Speaker 2For money , power sex with the delusion .
Speaker 1Yeah . So we are in a time of . If you are aware of end times and things that are happening like that , you will find that we are very clearly in the book of Daniel and we are seeing the ten nations , the ten horns rising and the forerunners of the Antichrist . You've only got to look at the World Economical Forum , you've only got to look at certain areas of Europe and certain parts of the Americas , and all that . We've had many antichrists , forerunners of antichrist . They won't give us the truth . So the truth has got to be found in the word of God . So all around us , there is spin , there is political agendas , there is hidden stuff going on , and we , as children of the living God , have got to get in the word , stay in the word , keep our feet on the rock . His word is a lamp unto our feet , a light for our path really critical .
Speaker 2It's interesting , ben , that jesus really came out strong against the religious leaders of the day , didn't he ? And he did , yeah , you can find it in john 8 , 9 and 10 he's so he just so gives it to him you know , know and he
calls them hypocrites , ben , doesn't he ?
Speaker 2Because they're saying one thing . He calls them whitewashed cups because they look nice and clean on the outside and nice and shiny , but they're filthy on the inside and , um , I would suggest that we have a lot of hypocrisy in the churches around us today , where they're purporting to follow Jesus , where they're purporting to be Christian , but there's no relationship with Jesus Christ , ben , there's no John 3 free Christians .
Speaker 1There's none of that going on . I think , when we look at what you're talking about , this has nothing to do with lifestyle , because the Bible says all have sinned and fallen short of your glory . But when I do a sin and make an action of a sin , the Holy Spirit convicts me of that sin and I know that I've made a mistake . But religion is blatant and it doesn't recognize the power of repentance because it has no truth within it . So religion , church , it's such a fine line of following the narrow path .
Speaker 2Ben , you say that there's no gospel being preached . But there is a gospel and it's a soft gospel Ben . It's a gospel where everything's love . It's a compromised gospel , why ? Because they want to turn the scripture into monetary advantage . Ben .
Speaker 1Monetary fund to fuel and to do everything . There's a really interesting scripture in Ephesians 6 , verse 14 . Stand firm , then , with the belt of truth around your waist , with the breastplate of righteousness in place's something about standing firm in truth , as you were saying . The wokeness of the church , the wokeness of the uk , the soft , the liberal act , the , the , the very soft party , is being pushed now . Now we're finding , over many generations , gently , very gently and very Three times I said that has been pushed generation after generation after generation this wokeness has come into the church , the softness of a different gospel .
Speaker 2It's so exactly , ben , and it's so watered down the gospel , that anything goes now , doesn't it ? Anything goes .
Speaker 1Absolutely anything goes . We have fallen and we are not referring to us as individuals or yourselves . What we are talking about is the capture of the bigger brush of church religion . We're in a great falling away . We are hungry . I'm hungry for truth . You're hungry for truth . You're hungry for truth . We need truth in our hearts .
Speaker 2Very interesting . You say that scripture Ben , scripture ben . Because you know if we don't stand for something , we'll fall for anything . And yeah , and the church is falling time and time again , or whatever narrative the society wants to push to , standing firm and going no , this is we're standing firm on on the scripture . We're standing firm on the bible . We're standing firm on the Scripture . We're standing firm on the Bible . We're standing firm on Jesus .
Speaker 1They're accepting everything Thinking about that , standing firm in this time in which we live , at this moment , this nation , this world that we live in . We need truth , and how do we get truth ? We be encouragers of truth , you know . John 1 , 17 says For the law was given through Moses , Grace and truth came through Jesus Christ . So we've got to be encouragers in and through Jesus Christ . We must be worshippers in spirit and in truth . John 4 , 24 says this God is spirit and his worshippers must worship in spirit and in truth . So there's a lot to be said about worshipping Jesus in spirit and in truth . And who is the truth then ?
Speaker 2Jesus , you will know the truth and the truth will set you free . Come on , yeah , so the truth is . So . We don't get , we cannot get away . Jesus is the truth and the truth is Jesus . It's all tied together .
Speaker 1It's all tied up and we've got John 8 , 8 , 32 . We've read this out . You know the truth and the truth will set you free . There is so much laced in the word of god about truth . And if , if we can do anything , if we can be remembered for anything , we want to be remembered for telling the world to be a jesus follower , not to follow the wokeness , not to follow religion and the church , but the ecclesia , then we have a different subject altogether . When , when we talk about the church , the ecclesi , uh church , the church of the new birth , the church in the new testament , that's different . But we are looking at religion and and the wokeness and everything there , but Jesus is the way , the truth and the life . John is very clear in the way that he tells us about the truth . It's a great gospel , isn't ?
Speaker 2it , ben , I love the gospel of John and you know we've wandered down certain routes . We've wandered down drugs , sex , alcohol , all that sort of stuff , and that's okay for a season . The Bible says , yeah , you'll have fun for a season . Yeah , but , but , but , but , but . And Jesus , and Jesus says in John 8 , 24 . He says he's talking to those religious leaders , ben , and the point he comes on to the point I'm going to make . He says you are from beneath , I am from above . You are of this world , I am not of this world . Therefore , I said to you that you would die in your sins , For if you do not believe I am he , you will die in your sins .
Speaker 2And we know that the wages of sin is death Ben .
Speaker 1Simon , why did you bring that to my head ? Oh Lord , do you know what I mean ? Because we come under conviction every second of our day . The truth sets us free . We may have fallen . We may have fallen short of his glory and all have sinned and fallen short of thy glory .
Speaker 1But what is so fascinating about following Jesus Christ ? When he puts us on the potter's will ? He puts us on the potter's will , the will of truth . He shapes us , he molds us . You know , when you look at that great prophet , he said I went down to the potter's house and I watched the master work in the clay .
Speaker 1And Simon and myself and you , good brother and sister , we are clay in the master's hands . And what is he doing ? He's getting all the imperfections out . He's taking all that stuff away from us . He'd done it at the cross , but now we're born again . We're spirit filled , sanctified , justified . We know the truth lives within us . But I've got to live in a world that is not for truth . So I've got to make sure that I either go to two places . I go to the garden of gethsemane , or I say , lord , take me to the potter's will , because the garden of gethsemane number one shaped me and molds me , and I actually ask what is your will ? The master's hands I'm in the master's hands and he is shaping , so the shaping of the great potter as he works the clay , and also the individual seeking the will . I tell you what being a believer , seeking the truth .
Speaker 2Everything you've spoken about there can be summed up in two words , Ben .
Speaker 1Total surrender . Help me Jesus , Help me Jesus . Yeah , that's true , Help me Lord , Total surrender . So both areas , the New Testament , the Garden , the Old Testament , the Will , both are places of surrender what we're saying to anyone out there who's part of our family out there , part of the Straight Talk Patreon family .
Speaker 2What we're saying to you now is , if you're in a place where you're down , you're on the floor , you're in a pit , you don't think you can get out of that , then
hang on to us . Hang on to us and come back to the cross . We will lead you back to the cross . We will lead you back to the cross . We will point you back to the cross .
Speaker 1We're always at the cross .
Speaker 2And through the cross we can get into the garden . Through the cross we can get onto the pot as well . Come on , lord , but it's got to be the cross , isn't it ?
Speaker 1It has to be the cross . The cross is centre . When you think about the cross , you know god spoke , let there be light , and there was , and we see all the way through the prophecies leading up to the cross , and and the cross is critical . You know , pick up your cross daily and follow me . But also , what you will see and you will find at the cross , you will find those that realize that we are sinners , because I'm always looking for the cross every
day .
Speaker 2And Ben . I want to stay on track here .
Speaker 1It's difficult to stay on track , isn't it
it ?
Speaker 2is yeah , yeah , but a lot of places and a lot of churches want to tell you that you're the little God . Don't they , do they or don't they .
Speaker 1They certainly do . There are certain denominations out there , there are certain global preachers and if you're in america you're probably awash with certain ones without , uh , putting the name out across the platforms but there are preachers out there that are that are saying that we are little gods , that we are and we can achieve that status , but we can't . God says this . He says I'm a jealous god and I will share my glory with no one . He won't share the glory .
Speaker 2Here we have another lie being being spoken .
Speaker 1You can be but it's a supernatural warrior . You can be this , you can be that , I mean that's speaking straight to the flesh , isn't it ?
Speaker 2because it's speaking straight to the flesh , isn't it ? Because it's speaking straight to the flesh and I'm thinking , yeah , I can be this , but what does ? The Bible say the Bible says it's not what you can be . It's what God says about you .
Speaker 1We are broken vessels saved by grace . Very interesting how the Scripture talks about us as humanity , the fallen , the fallen . But when Christ comes into our lives and the truth sets us free , then I've got to be careful of the power of free will which the flesh is , is craving the free will . And you've got to be careful so much if you are a believer living within the west , because you will be challenged on every area temptation , gambling , everything is thrusted in your face . So you've got to know the truth , because the devil will try and spin you the lie , because he's the father of lies . And it's critical , it's critical now to stand on the living word of God the truth , the truth and the truth . Nothing but the truth .
Speaker 2It has to be that Totally , because when you start to believe that nonsense , you know . And the thing is , if you're down there and you're not thinking good about yourself , it's very easy to look on maybe a YouTube clip or maybe even be in a church . Yeah , but it's not what they say . You're not chasing after the blessings of the God . We're chasing after the God of the blessings .
Speaker 1Amen .
Speaker 2And so it's more important to know what God thinks about you , more important to know what your heavenly father thinks of you . And , believe me , wherever you are , your heavenly father made you so . You're perfect in his eyes and he doesn't make rubbish . So , whatever you think of yourself , yeah . Look at Gideon , look at all these imperfect people in the .
Speaker 1Bible . Look at all these imperfect preachers and teachers . I will call them that from the Word of God .
Speaker 2I don't know how long you've been subscribing to us , but in our back library we have two great videos .
Speaker 1I'll say great , but they were great because yeah because we've done it yeah , but we just put two videos on 21 people in the bible that were all imperfect and that's what I love about jesus he chooses , you know , he goes and calls the lowly , he causes the despised to , to nullify those that are of good stature . You know , look at Nicodemus , our old good brother Nicodemus . He really got it from Jesus , didn't he ? Jesus said do you know what , nicodemus ? You're Israel's teacher and you haven't got a clue ? Son , you've got to be born again . You've got to be born again . You've got to come as the child . You've got to drop your academics .
Speaker 2You've academics , you've got to drop this facade and you just got to come to jesus and say , lord , please . So I need you , I need the truth , I need the truth , and and so red flags in churches ben are if they're , if they're putting you at the center . But also another red flag , really and it's a difficult one to to get your head around is if is it they're preaching social justice ? Right , it's a fine line with that . It's a fine line .
Speaker 2Yeah , because we need to look after the poor , and we do or you do a great job .
Speaker 1Yeah , through what we do .
Speaker 2And you'll see some videos . Yeah , we've got all that coming up , that's on . Coming up of our
Of love and action . 3,000 boxes of food go out for this place .
Speaker 1Yeah , thousands of people , 3,000 boxes of food , go out for this place every single week . It's amazing what goes on . But yeah , there is that social justice . It's okay if you're a megachurch and you've got an open checkbook . At Christmas , you can go and buy 5,000 turkeys , and it's not . You're using that as an evangelical press and it's the wrong way . But feed is what the scripture says about .
Speaker 2do it quietly without making a song and dance about it . No , because you've got to be very careful . You know William Booth , who founded the . Salvation Army said you can take a man out of the gutter , you can feed him , clothe him , give him a job and send him to hell , because if you're not giving him the gospel , so the two go together .
Speaker 1The two go together . The scripture says man doesn't live on bread alone , but by every word . So there's a point where we need to feed people within the physical process the responsibility of the church for the hungry , for those that are in need , but also there's a greater responsibility for the church to feed . What does Christ say to that great one that he called upon you , I will use and I will build this church upon you . What does he say to Peter ? What did he say ? Really clearly , he said when you come back , feed my sheep . What was he talking about ? Word , spiritual word , word , truth , truth , truth . And this is not scripted , this is not scripted Patreon family . This is straight out .
Speaker 2The more we know the truth , the more we take on spiritual food , the more hungry we become .
Speaker 1That's it . That's so true , isn't it ? There's a revelation there . So we become almost so hungry for Jesus the more spiritual food we have . It sustains us and it fulfills us , but then it gives us a hunger for more , and what will that do , Ben ?
Speaker 2We will know the truth and we'll be able to see a lie .
Speaker 1You'll be able to see it . You'll be able to see the wolves dressed in sheep's clothing . You'll see the grape falling away . You'll see what's happening across the world at this moment the ten horns in the book of Daniel , now the ten nations rising , the one world government , the one global system , monetary . Your eyes will be open to it all . You'll be opened . But what happens , son , when your eyes are opened ? You've got to be careful that fear don't get hold of you .
Speaker 2So there's a fine line , isn't there ? Well , Ben , the FBI in the United States have got a counterfeit currency department and you say , well , I bet they're studying counterfeit currency all day long . Well , they're not . They're studying the original all day long .
Speaker 1So they're studying the original , the perfect note . So what do we do ? We study the perfect one . We study the perfect one .
Speaker 2We study the perfect one , jesus Christ , so that you will know the deception when it comes .
Speaker 1And the Bible says don't believe the delusion . There is smoke and mirrors in church , there are showmanships , there is high theatrical performances happening every Sunday in the majority of churches .
Speaker 2That's a great point . There's more about the performance than the message .
Speaker 1Yeah , the message is key because the Bible says it's very clear Faith comes from hearing the message , and the message is heard through the word of God . Simon , we're there , we're there , we're there . Patreon family .
Speaker 2It's been a great 30 minutes to share with you . It's been a great time to be with you . You know we've got
some great content coming down the tubes and we've also got some additional little videos for this particular platform , this particular tier Ben , we've got some great little videos about what we're doing with the food and other stuff like that , some backdrops and behind the scenes and all that Behind the scenes , stuff , it's all going to come .
Speaker 2We're building up the library . You know , just spread the word , that's what we say . Spread the truth , hashtag , christian Straight , talk Word . And you know we'll see you all Really soon . Well , next week .
Speaker 1Next week .
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Speaker 2God bless you . Thank you so much , brother and sister never give up , never give up .
Speaker 1Thank you so much . God bless you . Thank you .