Hello and welcome. Thank you for joining us here at podcasting. Elim church in Swanley. You're joining myself, Reverend Ben Cooper. What a silly name that we have our lovely friend. Back again. Yeah, I try to be serious, but that can't do it. I'm sorry, man. Simon, thank you for joining us room for Christ. It's Friday. We are trying to squeeze another podcast in and we will. You know we thank God for Simon his family coming all the way over from Essex as he travels backwards and forwards. Thank you, Boris for letting him through the tunnel. We really appreciate that you guys at number 10 you are bikinis. But you are joining us here in Elim church right now as we just got up at social distancing. We have long cables. Yeah, I bought two
Simon Pinchbeck:tunes and a bit of string and two
Reverend Ben Cooper:tins and a bit of string. We are socially distancing. We've got masks on. We've got Vaseline all over ourselves. Actually,
Simon Pinchbeck:every official COVID since
Reverend Ben Cooper:we looked like deep sea divers that I didn't weigh my good solid, solid in the house. Simon's with us in the podcasting room. But we are going to be talking about a really interesting word was two words.
Simon Pinchbeck:We're gonna talk about standing firm in this sample, this time, but not just standing firm. They're going to talk about holding the line and tie the ground. That's what we're gonna be talking about.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Sounds like Old Testament stuff. Well,
Simon Pinchbeck:we got to get back to that Ben, we
Reverend Ben Cooper:we have you know what, the church is too much. Please forgive me. When I say this, we're to New Testament. light and fluffy. This Job's gonna conquer the world when actually aren't getting in the stage of my life where I'm living more in the Old Testament. Ben,
Simon Pinchbeck:you said it. You said it. Ben Cooper isn't if you're preaching a message to be liked. Yeah, you ain't preaching the right message.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Hang on a minute. Push the Bible aside. And I've got me on manual out on my cameo and understand that, and I'm gonna come at you not with a sword. I've got a feather duster today. And we are gonna tickle you into giving me money
Simon Pinchbeck:brings you money. If you're preaching to be accepted, that's right in the world. Yeah, you're dying. The message is,
Reverend Ben Cooper:that's not the message. In all seriousness, I've, I've really found myself I think we might have spoken it more in the Old Testament lately, the last number of months. Because that feels more relevant for where we sit in. I know that we're in the know I get all that sort of stuff. Brothers and sisters and listeners, I understand that. But there is no separation between our no but but at the moment. We're talking about battles on weight, and we are in a spiritual battle. Ephesians six, the armor and all that jazz.
Simon Pinchbeck:We are in the biggest spiritual I believer in their biggest spiritual battle. Yeah. Since since the cross. Yeah. And you may say, Well, we've been in this war been in that war. But but that's the stuff that yeah, that we could see. This is a step that we can't see. Yeah, this is kind of creeping in, in plain sight. And it's not just in the UK. It's across the whole business across the globe. It's across the globe. Yeah. And it's challenging our freedom. But most of all, it's challenging, it will challenge our religious freedom, it will really challenge your faith. But why? Because because they love to go after Christians. Why? Because there's a truth. It's the truth. It's
Reverend Ben Cooper:the truth. And as Christ said, as they persecuted me. Do you trousers up Get ready, you're gonna get a weapon. lickin in a kickin, church, the church won't teach us how to survive in a crisis. Well, big shout out again.
Simon Pinchbeck:That's the truth. Listen, listen to the Bible, which you know, please, if you're out there, if you're a leader, or you've got to get in and preach from this stuff from john 1516 says this is if the world hates you know how hated me before it hated you. If you were out in the world, and the world would love its own.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah.
Simon Pinchbeck:Yeah, because you're not of the world. I chose you out of the world. Therefore the world hates you.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Praise God.
Simon Pinchbeck:Remember the word that I said to you? A servant is not great earnings master. If they persecuted me they will also persecute you. Young days from Jesus Himself isn't a rich stuff.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Word. Yeah. given us the word from the word.
Simon Pinchbeck:Yeah.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Buckle yourself down.
Simon Pinchbeck:We're
Reverend Ben Cooper:quite encouraging though. isn't as we
Simon Pinchbeck:said. Jesus said that we're in for we're in big trouble was here.
Reverend Ben Cooper:You're in you're in for the scrum is Scrum time. This is not football. Is it kicking around? myself. So it's a scrum down rugby, pressing against the enemy.
Simon Pinchbeck:I'm sitting in your lazy boy chair. is Tom
Reverend Ben Cooper:but a bishop? You know, I mean, this is real. I know we laugh and we are sometimes on might sound a little bit flippant in that, but we are in serious spiritual crisis in the nation. If we don't look outside the nation at the moment, we are in the biggest battle that we've ever seen.
Simon Pinchbeck:Ever seen that we've ever seen. Please don't. If you listen to this, do not take this lightly. And you can be in this or you can choose to be out of it.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Because it's always been two ways to ICS either Jesus or satanic. There's no in between the level is that you can
Simon Pinchbeck:sit there if you want. Now, we spoke last week on on the right side, or you could sing the right song on the right side. But
Reverend Ben Cooper:yeah, you can sit there
Simon Pinchbeck:and you can watch. But if you want to get in the fight, then this is no there's no greater time to do it. And because you were born for a time such as such as this,
Reverend Ben Cooper:you just mentioned that word fire. Now what we are referring to fire is that we know that the battle belongs to the Lord. So the standing firm is is the fight that you will have to fight because you are fighting satanic influences on the outside. There's no way that you can be a believer and carry a demonic force. Because greater is He that is in me than he that is in the world. So the satanic oppression is on the outside on the outside. It's on the outside, so I'm already a winner. I've won because we weren't
Simon Pinchbeck:already been won. But what I've laid out,
Reverend Ben Cooper:I've got to play out I've got to stand firm in Jesus. Because he is my shield. He's my sword what
Simon Pinchbeck:you said there is what we've been saying for many weeks. Yeah. Stand behind the shield of faith. Jesus Christ. Yeah, don't step to the right. Don't do that. Don't look don't look there. Stand behind the shield of Allah Jesus. Yeah. And we're moving forward. We've got a plane moving bang, because then now the pandemic or pandemic or whatever you want to call
Reverend Ben Cooper:it Yeah, and it's pets.
Simon Pinchbeck:It doesn't negate the great commissioners.
Reverend Ben Cooper:No, no, the commission is still there. It's got stronger he's got stronger because as the darkness increase his glory increases
Simon Pinchbeck:and and people are out there their worlds been shaping we spoke about it when we spoke about open trust. Yeah, they got a look. They look got the look to you know you if you're a Christian, and you're full of fear and doubt and you're shaking too. You weren't a good witness. What you got to be is beyond the mask or however you do it. You've got to show that piece or people are gonna Why are you at peace when when when I'm not?
Reverend Ben Cooper:I think I think what what we've had someone has mentioned something really really important that if if I'll continue living in fear and continuing living as a not not as a good witness, that's not because of me that is because of the church in the UK hasn't delivered the Scripture. It is flat around so what we've had is that we've had this massive shaking across the UK like we've never seen before. And believers have suddenly sin their ministries that they've sewn into their their churches shot that they've been involved in the healing rooms eating on the street, suddenly they've all packed up gone and watch Netflix put their faith here and then suddenly the individual really realizes it's an individual walk not a corporate walk I understand people are going on but we are a body we are a body but I've got to understand who I am in the body I'm no good to the body if I think I'm a leg when actually I'm an arm
Simon Pinchbeck:bone you just send it out really well I you know, I've said I've been
Reverend Ben Cooper:hallelujah praise the Lord the
Simon Pinchbeck:checks in the post Yeah. I i've been saying and I've been saying and and speaking about this stuff for years that that churches are sitting there going Lord, send revival Lord said revival awaiting voisey revive revival, calm but it starts with you
Reverend Ben Cooper:che where the greatest revival is that I honestly believe is in the Bible. Yeah, Psalm 23. Even I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, you're robbing your staff. They come from it, You prepare a table, in the presence of my enemies, when you can sit back. And the king has brought you to a banquet table in the battle and the battle that is a revival moment when you sit around and you look at your enemies slaughtered people are gonna think quite a bit gross in this morning. But we're talking about in the heavenlies in the spiritual places where where you can rest in the biggest battle of your spiritual walk.
Simon Pinchbeck:You see at this moment in time then God's saying I want to clean up stuff I want to clean up as I've got souls to win. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, our souls to win and the enemy knows that. So the enemy's gonna kind of come in with Miss direction with all the stuff that he knows exactly. But what does the Bible tell us Stand firm is like a roaring lion coming system yes all we got to do and if we got a couple of fellows who we can rely on standing next to us to each other so true when I was in the police force yeah right we never run away from the bat we always run to it we took it on then we had the shoes in front of us none no different at all now as a Christian the battles there we've got to stand beyond the shield a lot together listen and people go well what can I do what can you prayed on Matt you pray on your knees you pray morning noon and night you pray that that to strengthen the the army of God to to compensate this stuff. And we've sent stuff over to overturn overtaken decisions make made. And we've got to sort of get beyond it. Listen, I wish I read something. And it is amused me this week. Spurgeon that you know the guys, we love Spurgeon, dummy, you know. And he had his troubles, obviously. But he read this. He said, I thought he was speaking when he spoke, you know, no, 19 1900s he said, a time will come when instead of the shepherds feeding the sheep, the church will have clowns entertaining the goats. And we're in that time.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Really? Time that time. Do you know what? I think we've been in that time a long time? Yeah. Do you know is such a fantastic quote. So true, isn't it? It is so true. We got feather duster preachers, you know, prancing around behind pulpits. Very, very eloquent. They can deliver, they can deliver a good speech. They can deliver, they can deliver the natural word, but they can't deliver the spiritual world.
Simon Pinchbeck:They live in the wrong message. And you know, we just said this. JOHN 16 john 1516 You know, this message as got to not make you popular.
Reverend Ben Cooper:He ain't gonna make out what's the message? See, it always is popular.
Simon Pinchbeck:How are you going to tell someone who's who's walking along? He's got a few queries. Yeah, he's given a few quid to charity things. He's a great guy to turn around. So and tell him that those words are like filthy rags. They play me nothing.
Reverend Ben Cooper:has got no eternal value.
Simon Pinchbeck:But a chip sound do that today?
Reverend Ben Cooper:No. Come on.
Simon Pinchbeck:Come on.
Reverend Ben Cooper:We got fun for you. Come and sit here.
Simon Pinchbeck:I've seen all the nice chairs in your church. Yeah, no.
Reverend Ben Cooper:No, we never get we never We ain't got that. We're broke. There's anything
Simon Pinchbeck:but this is the church's mission is to tell these guys Yo, what you've been doing. is wrong. Lenin. What are you doing? You know, the Bible tells us it's not. You works like filthy rags. I
Reverend Ben Cooper:mean, nothing making towers, towers, idolatrous worship. All sorts of things are happening. You know
Simon Pinchbeck:who you are. You are Ben. We're talking Old Testament stuff. And, and believe it people think bow is as long as it's not around anymore. Around big around
Reverend Ben Cooper:big time. Also the influence of the jet about spirit.
Simon Pinchbeck:Oh, it's huge. It's absolutely. My mind is not an hour they
Reverend Ben Cooper:got me and someone else in my
Simon Pinchbeck:corner. Loosely. It was a rough number
Reverend Ben Cooper:might come
Simon Pinchbeck:up on it.
Reverend Ben Cooper:I'll be the one on the end of the fight. But you know, the decibel spirit, decibel ball, you know all this. They are so very real today. But I know a lot of church leaders that have really got frustrated when you talk about the decibel spirit. I know. I can see their faces in my head now. When I've heard and had conversations, what you're talking about just about spirit that doesn't exist. Hang on a moment. It is very real. It is satanic. It is driven. It is a spirit control. manipular ever. When you bring them all together, it is as strong today as it was in the Old Testaments running
Simon Pinchbeck:right in churches. Exactly. Yeah. And And so you've got guys we've on teachable spirits. Yeah, they're not listening. Now. As seen. It doesn't matter their numbers in their churches, you know, decrease people elite and I don't care. Because it's all about them. And yeah, their control. And, Ben, look, we have people a day. If you're out there today, and you're thinking you're a Christian out there and you're thinking, Oh, I'm just gonna leave it a goddess All in God's hands and, and, you know, yeah, I'm Jesus. I'm praying that Jesus will come back soon. You're taking yourself out of the game, my friend, you got this escapism mentality.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah, it's almost burying your head. You're burying your head in the sand.
Simon Pinchbeck:Yeah, you know, we need you to get into the fight. You know? Look, what does one Timothy 612 says fight that good fight of faith is Turner's to fight again. Yeah, one Corinthians 1613 says this he says Be watchful, stand firm in faith. Be like a man and be strong.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Praise God. The God of Scripture that was Yeah, you gotta look good fire faith.
Simon Pinchbeck:Man pray like man, we gotta pray like man against this global ization of our of our society. This woke society. Man, I was speaking to a mate of mine this week. He gets it totally gets it. He said, But I pray for our nation. But what's my prayer gonna do? I said, Joe, you just got to keep you got got got to keep praying. Okay, pray because you're just be part of thousands and thousands of the people that are praying that that get that really empower the the forces of the Lord. So that's what
Reverend Ben Cooper:the enemy can do. The enemies can say to people, what's the point of your way praying for Look around you? How do you think that your prayers are going to do anything? What I got the isolate ship? Yeah, so the word lockdown word isolation. And bubble is very relevant at the moment. Because that's what the enemy is trying to do spiritually isolate people. And think that what I do doesn't really contribute when actually prayer is not about the amount of people together. It's about the consistency of just praying.
Simon Pinchbeck:I'll just promise a message. We got to get out there.
Reverend Ben Cooper:And then the other thing is people guide you, but I'm not. I'm not. I'm not a person of prayer. See churches, give us a culture of that you've got you got to be a prayer warrior. And you got to be flat out on your face. Prayer is driving down the road going Thank You, Jesus.
Simon Pinchbeck:That's all it is.
Reverend Ben Cooper:I love you, Lord. Thank you a conversation. You. You're talking to your heavenly Father. So you don't need to be in a church building. You don't need to be all revved up and shout it out and honoring and screaming and tearing it, you know, Thank You, Jesus. Lord, I thank you.
Simon Pinchbeck:And this is what our relationship with Jesus Christ is all about. It's forming relationships. And as you get trust, you can trust from a relationship. not consciously. We've been we were introduced and Yeah, got to know each other. But I didn't really know you didn't know me, but over a couple of years. Yeah, yeah, we've met we've spoke, we've shared stuff. Yeah. And we trust each other now. 100%. So you've got to get that trust in. And you've
Reverend Ben Cooper:got to know His voice, the same spirit,
Simon Pinchbeck:the same spirit, you got to know he's got a
Reverend Ben Cooper:nice voice. And and that can be very difficult to do content at the moment at the moment, because we've had so many voices saying, God has said, God has told me your business is going to grow in 2020. You've made in 2020. Simon, careful. As you know, I've got a word from the Lord in 2020
Simon Pinchbeck:for the so called profits. Listen,
Reverend Ben Cooper:I believe you are a businessman.
Simon Pinchbeck:A lot of these are prophets of Baal I think and I think they've been exposed a lot.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Definitely for you
Simon Pinchbeck:for because they they want to give you a message that tickles your ears. Oh, and it's like God is nothing it's nothing more Yeah, and coming to a spiritualist a fortune teller. Good news is exactly the same.
Reverend Ben Cooper:It's just got a different label. We've got more Simon the sorceress behind the pulpit than we've ever seen before. My magic white magic, paganism.
Simon Pinchbeck:paganism is right rituals. Yeah, paganism is right for the church. Yeah, a frappe. And for the world be
Reverend Ben Cooper:the reason this is happening is because the church has opened its doors, it's open the gateway to anything goes and it's not stood firm. It hasn't just stood in the Bible doesn't still doesn't stay Genesis to revelations it wants it wants to get it wants to get documents drawn out and everything cleared and tidy. This is what we think. And it doesn't take the man week, we could really
Simon Pinchbeck:listen to you said something that was said something a few minutes ago. It's true. You know, where are the leaders? Where are the churches where the pastor's protecting their flocks, where they live in their flocks, where, you know, where were they 24 have prayer rooms where they were? Yeah, getting them on your knees on your face? Come in the church line your face from God, stop praying. not mad where the leaders they're too concerned. Ben with, with with with numbers with money? Yeah, we build the answer that a lot of them are worrying about, you know, where's the next couple of Bob coming from to pay the year to pay the bills? Where's Where are the church leaders standing out against the gun exactly
Reverend Ben Cooper:against what's going on. Yes. Yeah. No,
Simon Pinchbeck:where are they?
Reverend Ben Cooper:It's very true. So here where we are in Elim Swanley. We just were out in for prayer. We're on for prayer private prayer. Whatever pray you call it I don't know. Bread, which is prayer for bread doesn't cost much. It costs nothing but 45 pounds. This this touches your neck of the woods. I have someone very close to me. Okay. Talk that we're just joking about saying here but this is a real life story. Someone in his family needed deliverance. Good old stuff, you know? Of course, right? So she skins the old internet goes out in the net comes out with a place in Essex. He takes her over there. I want to get turned to the storage in case one picks up there it is. The basic understanding of it is a fellow when the preacher the teacher, the deliverance man, it's 50 pound I'll pray for you. But he's 50 pound What have we come over what we come to? Yeah, yeah. And the guy come back man when he was right.
Simon Pinchbeck:He was wrong. Yeah.
Reverend Ben Cooper:I had to pay him before you pray. Was there any change? No. And I change out the money and it was no change with the person.
Simon Pinchbeck:Yeah, because and that'll be blamed on your own belief though. Exactly.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah. So we are in a serious spiritual crisis. But greater is He that is in me than he that is in the world. And the church in the UK needs to just pray
Simon Pinchbeck:it needs to pray but before it needs to pray but and we were talking about outside but you know, the pre main it needs to wake up.
Reverend Ben Cooper:This actually is sleepwalking
Simon Pinchbeck:over the cliff.
Reverend Ben Cooper:It really is it's
Simon Pinchbeck:heading towards this what they're gonna call a great reset in the states they want to call it the green New Deal with we're heading towards this the green New Deal we're anytime Yeah, we're heading towards this it's there's
Reverend Ben Cooper:the environment we've got to protect the the ozone layer is coming in.
Simon Pinchbeck:But we just got in it.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah.
Simon Pinchbeck:So well. So what we've got we've got a generation of the new word is a woke gem generation Have you heard that word?
Reverend Ben Cooper:I have heard that word?
Simon Pinchbeck:Yes that bring to mind
Reverend Ben Cooper:nothing because I don't take notes of it.
Simon Pinchbeck:It's ridiculous because it's it's exactly listen to this isn't a religion.
Reverend Ben Cooper:It's not religion.
Simon Pinchbeck:It's exactly the opposite it is that the opposite of Christians exactly
Reverend Ben Cooper:opposite.
Simon Pinchbeck:It's hell. Yeah, it's but what they want to raise awareness, or raise consciousness,
Reverend Ben Cooper:or woke. It's that what is all that about?
Simon Pinchbeck:woke up I done a bit of stuff on this and what they want you to see the sins of other people. Gosh, I
Reverend Ben Cooper:just gotta look at myself. Look in the mirror, Danny, look away exactly
Simon Pinchbeck:what is born again. In Jesus mean? It means that look at you look at your own sin. I don't think myself so this is completely opposite. You they want you to see how their sins hurt you,
Reverend Ben Cooper:their sins.
Simon Pinchbeck:You but we want as Christians, we want to see how, how our sin hurt Christ.
Reverend Ben Cooper:So what about forgiveness? No matter when you wrap all this happen.
Simon Pinchbeck:There's no forgiveness in in that stuff. Because what they preach is if I can get away of it, I'll do it is they come in the back of social justice and the social justice warriors. And it's very subtle Ben, you know, seeing Jesus Christ pay for our sin on the cross once and for all, once and for all. But it doesn't make us a certain that Jesus is the sender woke the woke generation makes them makes you the center makes you to center a little God. A wokeness enemy is the gospel of Christ. That's why that's why there's so opposed to Christianity. There's so opposed to Christianity. As long as you as long as you can get away with it. That's fine.
Reverend Ben Cooper:That's good as long as you can get away.
Simon Pinchbeck:And if you've got an opinion that's opposite to mine is the wrong opinion. This
Reverend Ben Cooper:is your
Simon Pinchbeck:this is this is Marxism. It's communism. And it's creeping it's creeping in. One Timothy Fritos has done it all about this. And Ben Burton. There'll be a time when when man is self centered, all that all that stuff. This is where we are. This is where we come, but the church is sleepwalking into it. And sometimes it may be even embrace this stuff. Instead of standing firm Hold in the ground, look into the right look into the left and same We ain't gonna we aren't gonna budge. In fact, we're moving forward with this. It's the church doesn't realize they still got some power left, it's got power lifted, they all get together under Christ.
Reverend Ben Cooper:It really does. You know, we talk a lot about the church we have done for years and years and years, but it I do believe God is is raising up believers to really speak against the church to wake up. Because if if, if it's not said, this, this is so we're in spiritual distress. And if we follow the line of the state church, we are in a state
Simon Pinchbeck:we're in a state, we're in a state venue, because there
Reverend Ben Cooper:is no line between number 10 and the church is that there's no clear line in the sand anymore know when the church should be telling the nation This is how we live by the word of God. When you've got a government a president a presidency, a controlling nation that pushes God's word out and they got their own laws, we're in trouble
Simon Pinchbeck:because been what they say is that we're more intelligent than the stuff in the Bible. Yeah, where a lot more intelligent now these days, and we understand on a higher level yet what's going on these days so we can work things out on a higher level. And it's all about man man can man can do this one. So,
Reverend Ben Cooper:what is the government actually saying now? Not through words, but for actions and through for the things that is doing? It is like fairer? It is standing before arrow, arrow, chocolate chocolate in front of Aaron. See, this is no anything going on this route up? So we had Aaron Moses, standing in front of Pharaoh, Exodus chapter five verses one through five. And you know what? You know what they said? God said, Let our people go. Pharaoh said Who is this Lord? Who is this Lord? We have such a darwinistic nature we have such a pharaoh leadership. We are slaves to the system. You are going to bake bricks.
Simon Pinchbeck:Oh wow. And there's gas that's coming in even and you're going a bit bacon without straw. That's the bats that deal now
Reverend Ben Cooper:and you know what it says at the end of that great fantastic text. Pharaoh said Get back to work
Simon Pinchbeck:yeah, there we are. There we are get mad at
Reverend Ben Cooper:this child thousands of years you can see the government's the president says all around the world these leaders a nation is going through is this God?
Simon Pinchbeck:You know been? You know what a sheep is? A wolf.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah,
Simon Pinchbeck:but a wolf in sheep's clothing. The church is is embracing these wolves in sheep's clothing. Yeah, and not asking God to reveal the true that the true purposes of water up to the lightning creeping frog in the boiling water was
Reverend Ben Cooper:exactly so where you got Moses and Aaron going up and facing the Pharaoh and saying we are not having this. The church isn't going up to the leaders and going we are not having this No, we are not having this whatsoever. What is happening is the church is embracing these laws from Europe and allowing the European law to come in with a political agenda of satanic stuff come in we've opened the spiritual gateway and he's a flood
Simon Pinchbeck:you're not got out of the way years ago the UK have not got out of the way you know years ago yeah. God's been taken out of order order prayers before all the all the meetings is we're just just Christianity is just another religion
Reverend Ben Cooper:chant that scripture that we're talking about Exodus chapter five, Pharaoh's to that went through is this Lord and he said that I should listen to him. Get back to work, but then sort of interrupted so I'm haven't said a word. Era era. Era, right? I've lost my track of thought my brother, right? So what we have is where Pharaoh said, Who is this? I'm not gonna listen to him. Right? You know what Moses said at the back end of that? He said if you don't and this is really interesting because what I was asking him to do was to go into the wilderness for free days to celebrate. What have we got coming up Christmas? You said you're not gonna, you're not gonna celebrate your God, you're not gonna go and celebrate. The Scripture says, Moses said, Can we go into the wilderness to have a festival for free days now we're not talking about the festivals that the the world gets involved in blowing whistles and doing a few snots and a few ecstasy, that what that word means that is celebrating your God. So Moses basically said, we want to go into the wilderness for free days to celebrate and worship our God. Pharaoh said, You ain't going what's happening now we've had, we've had the celebration of Easter. Now we've got the celebration of Christmas, the birth, death, resurrection of the king of Israel is being whipped around by governments around the world saying you are not going to worship your gun. Pharaohs are in place. Pharaohs are behind political agendas. They are doing everything they can to stop the Christian Christian worship. Pharaoh said you're not going into that land. You are not an adult. So what I find interesting is he said we want to go and we want to go into the wilderness. Do you know there's power in the wilderness prize in your God? Oh, yeah,
Simon Pinchbeck:yeah, individually or corporately? Oh, yeah.
Reverend Ben Cooper:And then at the end of that Moses said I'm telling your son if you don't have to do this God will bring plagues or he's gonna bring a sword what we got plagues
Simon Pinchbeck:centrist in Ben because there's five it's chapter very interesting because I I saw yesterday that some the governor of New York yeah como His name is he closed this case guys this this guy's a real piece of work he he closed down churches
Reverend Ben Cooper:There we go.
Simon Pinchbeck:But I took it to the Supreme Court the United States and by a majority of five to four day overturn that wow. And and and so they could worship in churches for Thanksgiving, which was yesterday.
Reverend Ben Cooper:That was yesterday. I know. What a pat. So there comes a point. We got a stand
Simon Pinchbeck:got to stand firm, they stood firm. So we're having None. None of this. You know, we've got to hold the line. We've got to stand firm. We're not even any more this we got to go towards a fight. The fight and the enemy.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah, the enemy will flee. They
Simon Pinchbeck:make noise and they Yes, they might be a bit scary. No shout on your face, front amount. And now God, because I know flee. Battle belongs
Reverend Ben Cooper:to the Lord.
Simon Pinchbeck:Because what did he say in Exodus 1414. He said, stand still. And I will fight for you.
Reverend Ben Cooper:That's very difficult to do and to stand still in the, in the battlefield to stand still in the biggest spiritual crisis we've ever had, is to be still and know. I'm God. Because we want to run around frantic You know, I've got to do I've got I've got to make it work. I've got a roadmap out of the virus. Let's get the church around a boardroom table. Let's get a plan will get us out of this. Jesus is furloughed. I'm not sure.
Simon Pinchbeck:I mean, he's saying stand still and hold fire me stand behind the shield, which is Jesus Christ.
Reverend Ben Cooper:He's the way the truth and the life. We love God.
Simon Pinchbeck:You know, we got hold the ground, we got to take the ground, but we got to hold the ground. Been we are not of this world. We are of another kingdom as a Christian, we are citizens of the kingdom of God. We are patriots of the kingdom of God. And we got to believe in the word that you said exactly what you said look Moses back in the pharaohs, I mean what you say now, we're moving forward when things are looking good, because things are looking bad. And that's that.
Reverend Ben Cooper:That's the true yeah, that's the trap the darker the bleaker It seems the greater we are seeing his presence is so so important to to not allow the darkness to switch us.
Simon Pinchbeck:We will take the knocks there will be knocks Ben there will be stuff coming as
Reverend Ben Cooper:Oh man, we got a hole tight you gotta hold tight you gotta be strong and never give up.
Simon Pinchbeck:Oh God I have a you know and get on the wall in the little gym where we do the real man for Christ to the video and I've got a quarter shield of faith so I've got an actual police right shield and really the that's absolutely smashed to pieces exposed and bad and someone says, Well why didn't you get a new one? Well, no one that I real is a real cuz we take we get on a shoot. And we take the knocks and we rise as roadway, the punches and we move we move forward. And then another one it says and another one it says and it might be just small little things that Baba caught some little foxes. They might be little things to rub your piece. Yeah. But we move forward. We don't. We don't give up. We don't give out.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Tell us more. Tell us more my friend. And it's also important what you said about the foxes to realize Watch out for the dogs. Watch out for the dogs. The Scripture says that they're there. They're there. They're at the ankles, they're at your ankles utilizers of the flesh
Simon Pinchbeck:and stuff that
Reverend Ben Cooper:will distract you. He's analytics from from where you are.
Simon Pinchbeck:Yeah, I think he's got you're on course, my friends, you're on course behind the shield come back beyond Jesus Christ and Christ that if you step, even one degree out of that, if if you get in your car and Ben, you're going to Watford or somewhere. If you're one degree out, you end up in Wales. It's all the time Yeah,
Reverend Ben Cooper:exactly. Yeah. So yeah,
Simon Pinchbeck:we see important just to stand firm beyond a shadow of a walk forward. inches. Take ground.
Reverend Ben Cooper:I think a really important word is repent. We talked about one degree, don't we? Yeah. You know, we, the Bible says we've all sinned and fallen short of His glory. And I love the fact that all of us have sinned and fallen short of His glory, because it's a lever across the globe. But, but no one we're all trying once you know, to live for Christ for walking with Christ. But there will come days when you just swerve when you end up in a cul de sac. But all we got to do just say God, I'm so sorry. I made a wrong decision. I was blinded. Lord help me to see clearly helped me to stand firm helped me to just to follow you by faith, because we have gone by sight so much. by sight, by sight. We our eyes and our ears are what our eyes see, you know, affects us. Yeah, but the Bible says, Don't go by sight. Guy by faith, Simon Ben Cooper, faith, trust me, but Lord, I'm driving my life around him. 25 at 100 mile an hour, and you're gonna close my eyes. I will get you around the 25 Close your eyes.
Simon Pinchbeck:He's saying get out the driving seat.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Let me try get in the
Simon Pinchbeck:passenger seat and let me drive. Yeah, that's what he's saying. Yeah, yeah, that's what he's saying. But Lord,
Reverend Ben Cooper:I'm scared to let go the will. I'm scared to
Simon Pinchbeck:let go of my life. But he's saying trust me trust and the father sign trust my son. That's all trust Mossad trust, trust. And, you know, fear unbelief. Ben is is a sin. It really is.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah, yeah. We're getting there. We're getting there. My friend. We got to keep walking. You got to keep walking. You got to keep trusting but the battle belongs to the Lord. And it's, it's really important to understand that he has us he has us. He sees he sees our complete life he he's watching us he never leaves us nor forsakes us but what's really important is that I just keep saying, Lord, help me guide me today. Lord, I need to live by faith. Because if I keep living by sight, from living by my natural perception, my sight, my hearing and my perception, the way I perceive things, I'm living by my emotions, but I gotta live by faith. So we just pray for everyone that's listening to datas out there and church leaders and I mean Simon we joke about we have a laugh and we but his heart Your heart condition are you for Christ? Are you really looking for him? Are you really hungry for him? Are you are you first in Do you want live in water if you can catch Simon in many different places, you know, you will catch up for real men for Christ anytime you need him or anything like that. catch us here at alien church, but we never give up we stand firm. Be still and know. Stand. God stand
Simon Pinchbeck:firm, older line. Hold the line. Come on. We're in this battle where you can you can make a difference. Yeah, yeah, pray right where you are. Now. You don't have to be in a church. Just know you know. Pray right now.
Reverend Ben Cooper:wherever you are.
Simon Pinchbeck:look at look at David and we've said this before one Samuel 36 you know he's in the places where he's living these are all his wives all the men have their wives and, and stuff taken from us. And and the men were looking to actually attack and kill David but David encouraged himself in the Lord is God. So when he had it all going on around him, he encouraged himself in the Lord. Yeah. And we got Jesus Christ David didn't have Jesus cross. We've got Jesus Christ.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yes, yeah, I'm
Simon Pinchbeck:behind. Yeah, and stand underneath that umbrella, that shield of fire. Don't go out of it. Don't look at the world and listen to the world. What one shadow to what Jesus Christ, what's
Reverend Ben Cooper:the word? What's the word? What's the will of the Father? What's the word of the father? And like Simon was, quote that scripture is it one Samuel chapter
Simon Pinchbeck:six, verse 30, verse verses, it's,
Reverend Ben Cooper:it's really important to understand that you strengthen yourself in the Lord your God. But he said, Do I chase the enemy? He said, For so and overtake and overtake, overtake the enemy, the enemy is gonna be behind Jace, right in front of you. He is behind you,
Simon Pinchbeck:all the time. And this is the time my friends, you can't do this on daily basis, you know, all the time. You know, when all the time you know, we're in a bow and bow is that it's a battle of the mind is about a, we've got to do things on a daily basis, we've got to bring into the Lord. You know, it's quite simple. God doesn't make it difficult. It's seek first the kingdom and his righteousness through Jesus Christ. And everything else will fall into place. Seek first the kingdom in your life. Put that first and you will start to live a life of peace. That's where your peace will be. And your was seeking peace and people around you will go You know what, you know what? I'm a mess here but em to me and that's how I came to faith. Yeah. Go I knew it was a was a nasty piece of work. I was in a mess. My life was going he come to the faith in Jesus Christ, and the peace on him. I kind of have some of that.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Where did you get together?
Simon Pinchbeck:Where did you get that peace?
Reverend Ben Cooper:Where did you buy that? Yeah, what are you doing?
Simon Pinchbeck:Watch it what do I need to do that? What that that peace to use? I
Reverend Ben Cooper:name Jesus. Jesus is Jesus Christ.
Simon Pinchbeck:Wow. You know, and you don't have to pay 50 quid to know gazer. Who is going to sell you a bit of snake oil. No. He's a lawyer with these arms open wide.
Reverend Ben Cooper:And the protocols that are out there now. The father is looking watching. He's saying Come back. Come on. Come on back. I know you're on the way. I know you are combat to the Oh, come on, come back to the Father. And that's what the church is going to do. Come back to the Father. You know, come back to the Father. And you know what, he won't get the whip out. He'll get the robe. It'll get the banquet ready. Come to the table. So right. But that I've lived the life consider the prostitute coming in drugs. I've got habits. I've got this. Don't worry. Don't worry. Don't worry, doctor. Come
Simon Pinchbeck:leave it all be on. Come. Come on. Drop all in, put all the footlocker I'll trust my son's cross. Travel there. Leave it there. I would take those non burden. And now my yoke is easy. It's very light. Thank you. For what with me? That's what he's saying. That's what it's about. I want to promise what what an amazing promise well, beautiful thing you know, follow me, Father, embrace me. Come the father saying, Well, you've embraced my Son, Jesus Christ. Combat to me. It's time to get up out of the dirt. It's time to come back.
Reverend Ben Cooper:A journey.
Simon Pinchbeck:You've got a choice, my friends. If you're out there, listen to this. You've got a choice choice. Come back. Embrace the Jesus or not all go your own way. And see where that gets you. Yeah, see where that gets you?
Reverend Ben Cooper:Gosh, yeah, we've been there. Bring him back to me too many memories, you know, in and out in and out. shake it all about coca, you know, but you got to just follow Jesus with the message message is simple. He said, yeah, it is so clear and simple. Jesus. Yeah, that's it. That's it, Simon It's so good to have you. We thank you for everything this morning. This afternoon. Whenever you're listening to this, you know, please if you need Simon is for real man for Christ. And you can catch him all over the place. You know, catch him on crime watch a few places when?
Simon Pinchbeck:Yeah, one or two places you know, catch me in that in that program Yeah, good, good Christians gone bad Christians gone
Reverend Ben Cooper:good I ever wave his word but you know what? Yeah, I've seen in front of me a good friend of mine, he is completely life on the table. If you need any help guys, gals, wherever you are out there listeners, you know Simon He will guide you to Christ you know great stuff going on real men for Christ. So we thank him for coming all the way over from good old sunny Essex, you know, and we pray that God to keep him safe in his family traveling mercies and everything is going on in the world. And we thank you everyone for listening. We can ask Simon if he will close in prayer. And you've been listening to Sam pinch back myself, Reverend Ben Cooper, and we've had a bit of arrow and we've had a bit of you okay.
Simon Pinchbeck:Yeah, we've had a lot of local range of a default Christmas stocking if you're not worried about it, listen, but I want to, you know, so my heart to pray for for anyone out there who's who's thinking at this moment in time who's thinking any anybody's thinking, I this is this, what's going on in the world. We're coming out of another lockdown. We're going into another tier lockdown, what's going on with the world? thing is don't fear, just don't fear get behind an under the shield of faith, which is Jesus Christ, I want to pray for you this one if you situation, lonely, Father lift. Are these good men and women up to you. And I pray that though you show them the way back to you, you're showing the way back for your Son, Jesus Christ, amen. You show you shall know way back to your arms, the arms of the Father, and yet they're waiting. And as Ben says, You've got a robot, you've got a ring out for these, these wonderful people. And and you instill in them that that mighty faith and trust and they will hold the line that will stand firm. And they will start praying like that. And not not not take a step backwards. Following if there's anyone out there who is just picked up on this podcast and just listen to it for the first time and say, Yeah, I want to be I want to be that we'll have that PC. And then we say to them, nope. We're offering this prayer. And if this if you if that's where you want to be, then say this, this prayer, you can turn out to be in a church, in your own home, wherever you are. You can say this heavenly Father, forgive me for all the stuff I've been involved with. That's not not. That's wrong. Yeah, yeah, turn my back on all that stuff. Now. Embrace your Son, Jesus Christ,
Reverend Ben Cooper:thank you for
Simon Pinchbeck:to be with me to be my Lord and Savior. From this day forward. I put my trust not now in the things of this world, but my trust totally in Jesus Christ. And lift it up to you in the mighty name of Jesus. Amen. Amen. Ben, if we believe that anyone said that prayers now. Now a citizen of the kingdom, they're literally born. And if you as Ben said, if you want to know more, then get in touch with Ben in England Swanley or myself or wherever we walk with you. Don't worry about that. We will disciple you will work with you. And we want to get to know you. So we're if you need us, then that's the truth.
Reverend Ben Cooper:That is the truth where we are here. Yeah, you can catch us anywhere, you know, social media, email addresses, all that sort of stuff. It's so easy to get hold of us, you know, and we will walk with you because we've walked by walk the dark side of the cross. But now I'm on the right side and across. There is nothing that anyone can share with us. That probably haven't been for.
Simon Pinchbeck:Sadly, I'll tell you and I've heard some of your story, but I noticed
Reverend Ben Cooper:nothing will frighten us. No price. God Have a great day. Keep in the Word of God stay under the blood of Jesus. Yeah, and Miko bless everyone. Wow, amen.
Simon Pinchbeck:Amen.