Hello and welcome. Thank you for joining us here at our podcast at Elim church in Swanley. You're joining myself, Reverend Ben Cooper and Simon Pinchbeck this morning. Good morning, Simon.
Simon Pinchbeck:I was great to be back it's back.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Way, way. Over time,
Simon Pinchbeck:we've got the pullout bed and my couch and we got
Reverend Ben Cooper:a killer. Got a closet then jumped into a different Faith
Simon Pinchbeck:already. This has been great. And we would pray for the young girl who came we did a bit of prayer.
Reverend Ben Cooper:God's timing you said that earlier than Yeah, God's timing is absolutely perfect. And you know, they walked in the building in a church and we had that opportunity didn't we? Just to pray for that was awesome.
Simon Pinchbeck:That was absolutely awesome. And we'll talk a little bit BAM in a second one we're going to get up and we'll talk a bit bit more about God's
Reverend Ben Cooper:Okay, fantastic. What are we talking about a day? Well before you say anything else? I was Merry Christmas, man. Oh, yeah, we're
Simon Pinchbeck:getting there anyway. It's so good. Your beards getting a bit more pushy.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Tonight eight o'clock tonight. I'm going to the barbers Yeah. I'm paranoid. Claim yourself out myself. Look, pray. I'd be a pretty boy. Well, I don't know. We can Yeah, that was tonight.
Simon Pinchbeck:Yeah, but it was the night dentist tomorrow.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah. In the right time. Yeah. Leather Jackets coming from Amazon.
Simon Pinchbeck:Wow. You've got the shirt.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Got the glasses pulpit next week. I will look like something out of
Simon Pinchbeck:what you've got. All the all the all the gizmos on. On the computer to make it even better. A younger
Reverend Ben Cooper:gentleman check me gender
Simon Pinchbeck:give yourself a six pack do
Reverend Ben Cooper:everything.
Simon Pinchbeck:You can do it as you know, whatever. Whatever gender you want to do.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Whatever. Yeah. You know what song everything's on the table. Everything's on the table. Everything's up for grabs. So
Simon Pinchbeck:the how much roof
Reverend Ben Cooper:but that's real life and people are doing what they want to do.
Simon Pinchbeck:That's the way it is. Yeah, it's crazy.
Reverend Ben Cooper:People are on social media. They are changing their looks for the pictures. They are doing all sorts of things, all the stuff that they do, you know and pay. Man we are living in serious times. You know, churches got cold, which strikes down. It's massive. It's
Simon Pinchbeck:a massive deception. It's fakery from the highest level and the churches doesn't know what to do with it. And a lot of the time they're going with it.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah. That's the thing that going going going with it. They're going with the crowd they're going with What sir? parties is a sign out there. You've got the we've been herded? We've got to be really careful. You know what, and I'm starting to think myself. We have been so herded in the way have been politically correct all the time. I've been up to the back tape
Simon Pinchbeck:in I've seen it recently on and you've spoken about it about you know, Christie abusing. Its yelling Yeah. Rapidly down rapidly rapidly into the world. And yeah, I see some stuff that you know, people love this, these bands, but when you actually look at it, and some of the Christian rhetoric is in there. But if you actually look at it, it's pagan. Like, it's they know that Yeah, you're all saying I've got a million they've got all that sort of stuff going on within what they're doing. But Friday is the king's new super close. Be very, very careful. Yeah, I'm saying to everyone out there, be very careful. Keep your head on a swivel really, because things got bigger things are happening. So rapid, and that's I wasn't going to talk about this. I wasn't going to bring this to today to the table. But the title of this podcast is Benny's. Where are we on the road to Revelation 13.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Revelation 13
Simon Pinchbeck:where there's one revelation 13 is
Reverend Ben Cooper:science touchcare talking about? I've heard the church talk about that is that site to do with the beast is that site to the event times that doesn't exist in the westernized churches, all faith healing, it's all this and that prosperity when actually the platform for revelation 13 for in the beast out of the sea is being set. The stage is set,
Simon Pinchbeck:you're 100 percent right.
Reverend Ben Cooper:He is on his way. He's on his way. You know, we've got the biggest drug deal the world has ever seen. And it's been legalized in plain sight in plain sight in our very eyes. The biggest drug deal off the back end of COVID-19 we're money must be passing around the world. And
Simon Pinchbeck:what brought it to me this week is that there is a minister in charge of the shots that that I want to that they want to roll out and they want people to have you know, wow and What you said is, he said, he believes that people should have a shot passport so that they wouldn't be able to go into a department store or restaurant without you've had the shot and
Reverend Ben Cooper:goodness gracious.
Simon Pinchbeck:And, and and the mainstream. I mean, Boris Johnson and a couple of others was pulled back from that. But you can see the weights going back
Reverend Ben Cooper:to isn't it so you can see the way it's going? You see exactly or so right. And when you think about the messages that are coming out from these different departments, it's very just about like, a lot of people don't talk about the gesture of spirit. I don't know we are in a time when the jessieville spirit is being really revealed. So what we have is, is these ones, these these Pharaohs, we have these leaders all around the world, we have people in position that are completely empty Christ
Simon Pinchbeck:solely as long as
Reverend Ben Cooper:you're sending as you see him in one kings, you see about the great profit after he prayed for rain fire fell and we know all the jazz that happened around at the base of that mountain. He prayed for rain, he believed and he got soaking wet in that miracle. And then he was running this is interesting. He was running in the miracle. He prayed for rain, rain fell he was running in that miracle, but just about the same time sent a message to him. And when you think about that doesn't matter how strong you are in your faith. Fear could knock your faith fear can wobble you for a moment because that's what happened to the Prophet. Yeah, so what we have is this message coming out you're going to have it the vaccine no possibly not yet might be Yes No, we've it's going to heal it's going to help no maybe not. It's going to be one shot two shots three shots. It sounds like a club in Ibiza then it
Simon Pinchbeck:well funny you should mention Ibiza when you're going on with you know with the clubs No, no, but here's the thing right so I know people that go I'm in the shop on are gonna have it. I'm not gonna have it I'm standing up against it is that is the deal. So. So have you booked your two way color the two Torremolinos book that Well yeah, yeah, we've got we've got a family all included.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah,
Simon Pinchbeck:but yeah, easy jet. Well, EasyJet probably won't let you on the plane unless you've had the shot. But here's the deal with that because we're in the European Union. Does our shop is our shop valid in Spain? Is our shop valid in Italy? Or have you got another shop? Yeah. Oh, you can imagine can't you? You just paid five grand to take your family to Disney World. Yeah, trip of a lifetime. Now I've done it. I've been many times. Yeah. nine hour flight. You get off the kids are gone. buzzer Where's Mickey Mouse? You've got a legal I'm 45 to an hour's Wait, before we get from immigration. Yeah, I've done it many times. You can see your bags going around around on a white carousel. And then you've got another 45 minutes wait to get your hire car. So you know, you've and all of a sudden they go, where's your shot? passport. You go, there you go. They go, Well, that's not valid in the US, you now have to have a shot. So go and join that queue over there. Bang$200 apiece for dollars. And all of a sudden, they're into you for another 500 that's the way he's all about money.
Reverend Ben Cooper:And that's the way it's gonna get on money and control. Dude, can you see it's going? I can easily I can I can see it very clearly. I can see it really clearly. You can just throw out government god bless our government, I would never want to be in that that area that they are in, you know, when you when you see what's happening around the world, but this is a global thing.
Simon Pinchbeck:It's global global control, global control globalization.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah. And,
Simon Pinchbeck:and, and what for? And why? Because I was watching some great guy on on on YouTube, Spencer Smith from the States and what he was saying he's been to Uganda many times. And he has to before not sorry, Kenya, but before he goes into Uganda, you have to have an Ebola shot. Yeah. Right. And he's been there when he's been in a bola outbreak. Yeah. So yeah, he has a shot. He has his passport. It goes in but they don't close the country down. No. They don't click on the recover. they recover right for Ebola is something like 65%. The recovery rate from COVID yet under eight to 99.4% over 80. It's 92%. And that's from the British Medical Journal. This figures from the BMJ figure
Reverend Ben Cooper:they're out there. Why are we been interesting stuff? Yeah.
Simon Pinchbeck:It's interesting stuff.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Is it connected to pharma solid core gain, is it connected to financial gain? Government gain? Well, ization
Simon Pinchbeck:is connected to globalization, all of that stuff. And what does that mean for us as Christians? persecutors? Yeah, total that we're gonna go away from they've gone away from God God yet, and they're their prophets are the scientists now So could
Reverend Ben Cooper:I say this then. So there's no revival on the church drum at the moment. Because according to scripture where we sit, the squeeze is persecution. But with that word revival, you got to be very careful because as soon as you start talking about revival, people start thinking about a big warehouse, everyone's jumping up and down, bouncing around. But when you look at the persecuted church, when the church around the world is squeezed to real, persecuted Christians, try not to use the word revival, there's a great move of God and uprising of God, I prefer that. Yeah. So the more you are squeezed, as a true believer, your Christian faith is being put on the line your family could be taken, you're gonna be put in prison. We're talking about the real stuff that the news channels don't put over. We're talking about real persecution. I think that in the West, what we're going to start to see now as this comes in what we're talking about, we're going to see a split. And what I mean by the split is the root church emerging out of the fluffy church.
Simon Pinchbeck:Yeah, I mean, we've spoke about it many times before, but the church has been shaken.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Shaken,
Simon Pinchbeck:and to the core. Are you gonna for him take the chip, or you or not? I mean, and there's many out there? Because Where are the great Christian leaders in the UK?
Reverend Ben Cooper:Are the center ritual leaders?
Simon Pinchbeck:This is wrong. Come on freedoms are being eroded. And where's God in all this? Where's God in all this?
Reverend Ben Cooper:See, the thing is, is when you're talking about Christian leaders, we automatically think to a certain few names that Gardenhire at stadium and give a very watered down gospel peddling it as the scripture says peddling it for financial gain. Yeah, that's where we are at philistia map, get a great name in blah, blah, blah, bang, thank you very much. We are in a crisis now a spiritual crisis in the UK that we have never seen before. We are at the end of time, battle of Armageddon.
Simon Pinchbeck:Westfall, we spoke, we spoke about it that's on one of the other podcasts, but we are in I believe, and I'm not the only one these guys in the states yet. Who believe that we are in the biggest spiritual battle since Jesus went to the cross the cross, because it's a global thing. It's not just nice.
Reverend Ben Cooper:It's not just not just in in sunny spots. Normally, it's it's close or global. When you really get to go back what nine months. The world shot. Yeah, we first sit in China, didn't we? I was watching a news thinking, are they going to close that they built that hospital really fast? in a matter of days? A fruit out together? How did they do that? They all come from Wow, that's amazing. Are they done that now? When 910 months, 12 months down the line? You think, ah, hidden agendas, isn't a total agenda, hidden agendas. But in plain sight being in plain sight. It's coming to go public can't do anything, because it's the government. We know best. That's what's happening. We know what we are leading you. Now this is the issue that we have very clearly, the church, the body of Christ should be telling whatever government leaders are of the nation, how we want this nation to be run by the word of God. The government is telling the church, how you're going to run your church stay out of it, stay out of it is being trampled. And that's
Simon Pinchbeck:so all the you can see this, if you just and it's it's packaged up in a wonderful package. It's coming in on the back of the climate change. Yeah. They call it the great reset. Right. They call it the great reset. They called it a great reset for a long time. Did they know that COVID was coming in? You know that's something to be thrown out there. But in the states they caught the green New Deal does that they call it under under Biden gets in over there. That's what that's what it will be. But if you make the World Economic Forum, if you look, yeah, on if you Google that if you look on that. They have a meet in early 2021 in Davos, and they're talking about putting into place stuff 20 2030 is a next big year. 2030 is the next big year for big switch the big switch. And already Boris Johnson has announced that by 2030. He wants every new car to be electric
Reverend Ben Cooper:my age Can I do that? Are you gonna do it? Where's electric coming from?
Simon Pinchbeck:Was it and, you know,
Reverend Ben Cooper:it's I, gosh, go back a few years, days or days or days or days or away days away gotta get days or days or we get days off days when price goes up
Simon Pinchbeck:goes up price goes up. And, and we're told Oh tehsils
Reverend Ben Cooper:just plastic stuff, isn't it? Exactly. So okay, no problem. Bottled water is great, wonderful this. And then we hear all this stuff around the blue planet all that jazz.
Simon Pinchbeck:And it's awful. You This is your boat that go in in the Pacific Ocean. But
Reverend Ben Cooper:yeah, the government have told me the manufacturers have created it.
Simon Pinchbeck:Now they're bouncing it back to me now. Sorry. It's my fault. And, and a lot. Oh, so you want to buy a bag to put your shopping in? Here? Of course, you're 20 pounds, but
Reverend Ben Cooper:there's no plastic over there is? It's 2025. I tell you what the law is crazy.
Simon Pinchbeck:You know, I've been it. I've spent a lot of times, you know, in the States. And when you go to a supermarket and they ask you the question, in fact that they've got a great way because they they employ retired men and women. Yeah. And they pack the stuff for you. So you don't really hack it. And that you're asked at the at the checkout? Do you want paper or plastic?
Reverend Ben Cooper:So you get the choice you get the responsibility is upon yourself.
Simon Pinchbeck:sponsibility is about yourself. So you can have paper bags, yeah. Which are loaded up and put your trolley and then take to the car with another option in the UK. It's plastic or plastic is plastic or print your own plastic or paper plastic. That's that's
Reverend Ben Cooper:what we've got here is surely when you look at all this, what is the purpose, the only purpose that this all can be is for financial gain.
Simon Pinchbeck:Its total financial gain total control. Generally what's happening now is a redistribution of wealth. I don't know if you you clocked off on that. But small businesses are going out of business. Yep,
Reverend Ben Cooper:yep. Yeah, big businesses are getting more and more welfare seeing that for quite a while very, very quietly. Now. What we're seeing now fruit is pandemic is that the family businesses, the businesses that have been struggling any way you hear a lot of taxi firms have a lot of builders restaurant getting out alone, coffee houses getting out loans, yeah, to get over an issue over an issue. They didn't cause then he got a lifetime of trying to pay it back homes being threatened. So we have these little tiny, great businesses going out. And we have the big jobs expanded.
Simon Pinchbeck:If you if you invested 1000 pounds in Amazon shares at the beginning of the year. Yeah, you'll now be sitting on 1700 is gone up there. 70% their stock has gone up tonight. And it's not just Amazon is all other big corporations.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah. have gone through the through the roof. So you can see all the big chains kinda all the big chain all the big supermarket chains are expanding. Yeah, they're expanding. In they're expanding. They say they're cutting jobs here, there and everywhere. But you still see buildings popping up brand new buildings popping up. And you see the little individual family business shrinking.
Simon Pinchbeck:I've got a mate and you know, move, sadly got made got pushed it to one side via a Christian organization. And it wasn't nice, but but he applied to be a driver at tescos Yeah, he's got an induction next week, wherever he goes for not this matter. But so they're there.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah, crazy. They're employing
Simon Pinchbeck:you can earn you know, 17,000 pounds a year but just driving a lorry and dropping off. Stuff like that. So these jobs out there these big corporations and
Reverend Ben Cooper:they get they're making they're making they're making more money. They're making more money. I know, you can see what's going on. So we're under this, we can see that this this base, the platform this this stage is set for for this endtime stuff that's happening but it's right before our very honest
Simon Pinchbeck:being wrapped up in Yeah, in saving the planet. That's where it's been wrapped up in Yeah, but we got to save the planet because of but a few years ago, we didn't even know that there was plastic, you know, floating around in the sea. And to be honest with you, China, yeah. India. Yeah. Some third world countries are the biggest polluters. Yeah, not as in the UK. We've been recycling for years and we
Reverend Ben Cooper:we have we have Yeah, and we
Simon Pinchbeck:get you get done if you if you recycle bins a little bit to follow or you know, you're putting the wrong stuff in the wrong bag. You know, come on here one night,
Reverend Ben Cooper:but what's really interesting about recycling is I get a license right now to get a license just to take rubbish to the tip. You have to book a slot
Simon Pinchbeck:Yeah, yeah. Book a slot
Reverend Ben Cooper:slot you got because slot and take a bit of rubbish turn. Yeah, yeah. Come on, let's be serious
Simon Pinchbeck:of a revenue strat
Reverend Ben Cooper:that got knocked back. Let me let me go in the Jesus bus. Don't let me go in the church but in the transit,
Simon Pinchbeck:right, this is a local local
Reverend Ben Cooper:tip well let me go up there because I'm over height, just want to take some stuff from the church rubbish but what what I'm trying to say is is that everything is controlled everything's can go back 12 months when you're up and down a tip just checking a bit of rubbish in there in there great great service freely now they're watching everything you tip watching everything you drop off, fridge freezers, all sorts of things, you know, trolleys always, you know. So this this is another serious control across the land. Now I happen to book a time and a slot online so they know when you're going who you are your car. We know they got cameras up there anyway. So yeah, that's been happening but now. So what we got we got local government. Nine exactly what we're tipping what car we're using, what time we're going, how long we're there for camera on us and everything, as well as booking slots. They know exactly what you're doing. Then go to a coffee house. You go to the coffee places you go all the big hitters. You've got to use the track and trace you've got to you can't use cash. You can't do this. You got to stand on the circle don't cross the line. So just in two places. But then, right, okay, I've got a certain coffee place in Swan Lake. Okay, yeah, I'll stand on the line of fuller everything like that, though that I come out. I got crushed to the biggest ago has done. No measures can be made to me as well wait for him in Costa. But soon as I come out of Costa I can
Simon Pinchbeck:you rub shoulders and
Reverend Ben Cooper:carry me around as that? Yeah, it's confusing. It's mental
Simon Pinchbeck:and church, you still can't sing or all that sort of stuff.
Reverend Ben Cooper:You can't talk you can't sing. Social distancing. Cover yourself in Vaseline. wrap yourself in clingfilm. It's me. I am almost losing the plot on some things. I it's confusing. Now. If If I didn't have my face?
Simon Pinchbeck:That's the way would I bear with you. But yeah,
Reverend Ben Cooper:so I can get some form of understanding easily through the book of Revelations on what we're talking about where we sit, we are sitting at a time that the platform is being prepared.
Simon Pinchbeck:Just before we move on. I've got a funny little story about about a tip a few years ago either it was silver van and and out of 10 Stone Latvala dog, you know, Oh, beautiful. He's passed now blessing. I'm just got another puppy. So yeah. And that's a story in itself. But I chopped a lot of stuff down in the garden and the old rock Valley wanting to be with me, you know, they want to be in your skin. And so certainly on the back of the van, and I've put the old dog in a bag. It's just enough room. Now. Yeah. So we've got down the tip. And all of a sudden, like you say, they're going on this is a few years ago, they're still checking you and they're going, what's your postcode? And what's in the back. I've said, I've just got green stuff in the back. I want to look on the back. I said, I said you bet but you don't. I said, No, no, no, I'm gonna look I said yes, you don't look in the back. Microsoft got my dog and you know, he's not too happy it was. I mean, is it now I'm gonna just pull the door open the dogs. Okay. Carry on. Okay, so, so the, the moral of the story is, Boroson was robot adult, but you can check back
Reverend Ben Cooper:if you don't follow Jesus that I'm setting the dogs out.
Simon Pinchbeck:I was with him. I was walking him. And I've gotten one or one of these extendable leads, you know, and this thing is a big thing. And so I'm taking him around the golf course and these are for golf was just really a tee off. And he spots a rabbit. And he certainly in the mornings a bit of Jonathan and he's off and I can't get him back because he's seen the rabbit he's got that set gone. And I'm not waterskiing I mean, enough. 18 nine stamp and on waterskiing behind him Suddenly, the lead goes bang snaps and these four golfers the look on their face look like he's he's going to wars and when he swears off and he follows a rabbit and he's down, you know, look at that. Robert Downey Oh, yeah, some some funny stories.
Reverend Ben Cooper:So if you're gonna get yourself a Rottweiler, please. Yeah. So So Vic has got a transit. Yeah, that, yeah. And a Rottweiler as well.
Simon Pinchbeck:And anyone trying to break into the church pass on our black and tan overcoat before the
Reverend Ben Cooper:big dogs are out there. The Bible talks about a dog evildoers and the dogs. Yeah, humans that are coming out to get you and you can you can think about that, you know, the power of a Rottweiler, the power the overpowering strength of a Rottweiler you know, you can you can see that can't do that. And you've experienced a strength for that. And when you've got lots of dog coming out, you're you're Christian, you got to stand your place. It's like that. Is it wrong. These dogs are coming at me. I've got to stand and hold my place.
Simon Pinchbeck:You've got to hold your ground. And we've got to be praying. Yeah, we pray in like a stand. We got to hold the ground. We got to do something. Yeah. So as much as we see this all coming around. So on the swivels without what's happening, we're in exciting times. Very powerful times
Reverend Ben Cooper:life experiences. So this revelation 13, the beast, yeah, based out of that, see, it can be quite frightening Carnage if because the churches haven't been preaching and talking to a degree where we're solid enough to go You know what, yeah, we understand it. We understand it's been, it hasn't been looked at the
Simon Pinchbeck:title was how far down the road because I don't believe that the shop is is the the market a beast? I don't
Reverend Ben Cooper:know, like, but it's not No, it is a precursor. It's a four run around it.
Simon Pinchbeck:Yeah. Because the thing is, you know, it's a type. If you want to go to certain countries in the world, you've got other children, you've got a vaccine for you, for you go. So this is, you know, we shouldn't get too worked up about this thing, but it's why we're being forced to have it. And yeah, under the circumstances when this thing is 90 odd percent coverable. Yeah. Why are we been? Well, most fit?
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah, the word from Jessa. Bell, it comes back because that's what happened to the Prophet.
Simon Pinchbeck:And we're rounding down. Like you said, a cashless society. We're moving further down. Further down. This is another step towards that. Yeah. And God saying, Do you know what? There's still many souls to be saved that there always will be. And yet, you know, I want to empower you, if you want to be part mom, we are going to empower you. And we're gonna go out there. And we're gonna have a god for Jesus. And that's what I want to talk about in the next podcast. But yeah, but right right here and now we're in the middle of this stuff. And we're in exciting times as we say very power things are good because things are bad.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah, the darker It seems the greater the higher the light Yeah. But there's a time to stand there isn't there, there's a time to stand now stand and hold the line weren't just the couple of things that we've laid out on the table, you're talking about control at the local waste recycling places, control coffee places only live as it is big, it will never ever go back if we snatched by some miracle COVID out of everything now. And they went it's gone. The control would still be there.
Simon Pinchbeck:And it will be I would be put back in an instant. Honestly. I was sitting the other day, my wife went into one of the stores and I was sitting watching out that sort of weak store Yeah, like watching the guys roll out in advance and whatever and putting on a mask Yeah, all these masks been the majority guys that were just a bit a rack That's all they were. Yeah, so a rack that never been washed. Yes. Put it on. And people go Yeah, okay. He's got that mask, what does?
Reverend Ben Cooper:What is the relevance what happens?
Simon Pinchbeck:Is control you will do, you will do you will do, you will do and it's taken away our freedom and taken away the freedom to our faith in Jesus Christ as so we have to stand for that freedom. And we have to stand together. And like when I was in the in the place, we didn't run away from a battle. In fact, we run into water into it, but we made sure that you really covered Yeah, we didn't do it by ourselves color. Yeah, if you're running something by yourself, you're in trouble. But it's still a Freeview together. And if you do it, you're gonna win under the shield of Jesus Christ.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Under the blood.
Simon Pinchbeck:Yeah, under the blood. Then in domata amrik dogs come out. Yeah, you're in the majority.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah, that's right.
Simon Pinchbeck:You're in the majority. So under the under the word Other promises of God
Reverend Ben Cooper:not being not being in him trusting in Him submit into Christ.
Simon Pinchbeck:Yeah, following him all the time. And and we won't go far wrong your path will be there and people go this world crazy and like we spoke about when we spoke about hope this world's crazy everything is going berserk. But there's a fella. He's, he's not gonna he's looking pretty peace. You know, he's sleeping well at night. He's not worried too much about all this stuff that's going on around him. Why? Because he's faith is in Christ and Christ alone.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah. So when you say he's in, he's in Christ. Now. Over the last number of months, we've picked the lock down everything that's going on. We've had church completely shot. So what I've been finding for myself personally, is my faith was shaken. Yeah, was shaken. Now, was that any fault of my own? No. Was that the fault of the government? No. Who's where did it like it sits back at the church? Because the church hasn't equipped the body of Christ. And I fall into this trap, you know, not preaching correct what you should be preaching Spirit led messages. Too many messages have come out lukewarm, not even lukewarm being peddled for other gain for notoriety. So when across Well, when, when a pandemic breaks. Christians don't know what to do themselves because they haven't been taught how to live in Psalm 23. Even I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil. But yeah, we've had we've had the prosperity gospel, we've had the faith heinous shot in naming it and claiming it. But no one has told me over the years how to live as a real man, a real son, for the living God. I know it's in the Scripture. But I have been told and shaped by a Pentecostal movement
Simon Pinchbeck:of their ways. Yet no one is,
Reverend Ben Cooper:no one has read the scriptures
Simon Pinchbeck:use them. Yet you they're all about you. And when they're all about you, yeah, you suddenly wonder Where's I've got these scriptures, where's God, but what scriptures are meant to do? The only the only effective if you're in Christ, and submit to Christ, and he's in you, then you then you you want Why would you have any? any fear? If because, yeah, crises in you. We have, we have, we have the greatest fear defeat in factor in the universe. And see, if you're, if you're in fear, and a Christian, that's akin to unbelief, which is a sin.
Reverend Ben Cooper:That's right.
Simon Pinchbeck:So you want to live in behind under the blood of Jesus. So when when moving forward, and you can start to live an exciting life as a Christian? Yeah. And now and in this in this situation? And even where we are, because, because there is hope.
Reverend Ben Cooper:There's there is hope.
Simon Pinchbeck:I mean, when I first came here to do that to the podcast with you, yeah, he was in the basement.
Reverend Ben Cooper:I was Yeah, no, that was in the bunker. ivory towers.
Simon Pinchbeck:So you know, we've got you out.
Reverend Ben Cooper:We got you got me out. You saved me. You
Simon Pinchbeck:just did you down. You
Reverend Ben Cooper:got me some carpet, you got me a table. But when we're talking about, if I don't have faith, I'm not pleasing God and all that sort of stuff. There's that great text in the New Testament where the father goes up to Christ, the Messiah. And he says, My son is he always got unclean spirits, blah, blah, blah, no, we know that. And then he cried out, he said, I know. I know. Jesus said, if you can believe, and he said, Yes, I believe but helped me in my unbelief. Yeah. So there's a side that can quite easily slip onto someone. That when when fear because of the jezza Bell message that has been driven and driven, driven, you won't be a travel, you might be a travel, you can't buy this, you can't buy that you might be your possibilities, maybes and all that stuff out there. Suddenly, a believer has to stand on the Word of God maybe has never stood on the Word of God before, because religion and certain ministries is all been about the ministry, rather than preaching Jesus. So preaching in times, if n times was pressed over, the pulpits go back a few generations saying this is where we're coming to the signs of the times, but other than that the church is at its head under the dubay. And in an with certain people, yeah, not preaching, accepting same sex marriage, accepting all that stuff, accepting everything hand in hand with the government rather than going way under Not gonna partner with you
Simon Pinchbeck:allowing the prophets of Baal to come into yes to come into the church.
Reverend Ben Cooper:So the church is a mixed bag of paganism, sorcery, witchcraft, black magic, white magic, tarot card reading false prophets, false teachers. That's
Simon Pinchbeck:why we need to have our heads on swivels and our faith needs to be beyond the shield of Jesus Christ
Reverend Ben Cooper:is so clear to every believer, whether you are in a congregation or you're in the bishop's house, or you are this or that. What Jesus Are you following? What
Simon Pinchbeck:Jesus Are you following? Yeah,
Reverend Ben Cooper:that's it.
Simon Pinchbeck:Yeah, totally.
Reverend Ben Cooper:What god are you serving?
Simon Pinchbeck:Because if you let the enemy get a foothold, yeah, you'll perform at a level stronghold. Yeah. And and you have your wrapped up in fear and doubt, and you won't be able to, and, and you won't be able to do anyway, you'd be crying out. What the Jesus that I believed in is, is his love and prosperity and no struggles. But it's completely fluffy
Reverend Ben Cooper:white clouds,
Simon Pinchbeck:completely alive. Because the Bible says we will have struggles we will have trials. Yeah. And you've got another word of God, we keep coming back to this, you've got another word of God, because that is the promises of God. And you know that, you've got to read it in the power of the Holy Spirit so that you get revelation.
Reverend Ben Cooper:So Simon, if I've been in the church, in under a ministry, and they've been preaching a watered down gospel, it's quite easy to fall into this area for a while of fear. Because the gospel that they've been preaching, prosperity, prosperity, prosperity, world, healing, healing, healing, you are going to be healed, you're healed, you're healed. Your business is going to grow is almost motivational. But then suddenly, as we know, the churches have a lockdown. The five healers have gone watching Netflix, you know, all the ministries are shot, healing rooms have disappeared. But it's only a virus. If God is healing you in your church, and you are saying cancers and tumors fall off. Why have you shut the doors? Yeah.
Simon Pinchbeck:Why have we done that?
Reverend Ben Cooper:Because it's a false gospel. It's a false lie.
Simon Pinchbeck:And the church has been called out it's nothing more that we discussed the social nothing more than a Ponzi scheme, a pyramid scheme, nothing other than a way of getting numbers in the church. And sadly, I believe that a lot of church leaders are worried even now too much about where the next few quits coming in from, you know, yeah, numbers of the church. People are of four and a half people don't want it. Let me tell you this. Let me tell you this. The gospel of God, the preachers, gospels got to be preached and powerfully and people have got to be compromised. Let me tell you what I received for the post the other day.
Reverend Ben Cooper:You got that letter from me?
Simon Pinchbeck:It was a blank cheque. I Oh, yeah. What's in the way? Oh, you? Yeah. I'll receive a personal Yeah. Number nine, but it was a personal handwritten letter to the house. Yeah. And it was saying, in these troubled times of you for putting your faith in God's and rare, and there was a little it was a little leaflet in there. But you know, where it came from, where the jagged W's it came from the Jehovah's Witnesses, which is got kicked around from Sunday was hand writing personal letters to each house. Not not. My house has got a name. So So admin, Alice. Next to it now, but
Reverend Ben Cooper:no, yeah. So these, these purple one. One thing you can't take away from the J W's. They're always on your doorstep. They're always on the streets. They're reaching out, they'll reach it out.
Simon Pinchbeck:I haven't had a thing from a local church to say. All I had was something that come through the big local Vicar was leaving. Bye, bye. Anybody give him a couple of quid and he's only got nothing from the local church. Nothing from me. But no, no one is, is reaching out.
Reverend Ben Cooper:They are well known and they for their relentlessness. Yeah, not the door, not the door, deliver this deliver that and it's going to catch a few but it will get will catch a few people because they are reaching out.
Simon Pinchbeck:And so why aren't we can do that on a one to one a personal basis, which we'll talk about in the next podcast. But why are the local church doing that? Why the local church saying look, this is you are the flock. We are the shepherds. You can put in a message out there giving them Jesus you know, again, Have a bit of open in these troubled times and saying, look, we've got our place we're gonna leave the church open come in as long as you social distance come in pray, you might need a FaceTime. And if you're struggling with anything, yeah, let us come and speak on the doorstep across the doorstep. You know, we can we can, we can have a chat, we can pick up the phone, we can do all that sort of thing. It's not happening.
Reverend Ben Cooper:I think a lot of it is because there's been a lot of playing church, theatrical church, a lot of showmanship, we've got ourselves into a position of all hype. The louder it is, the more Jesus is moving, the more hands are in the air. You know, we've got ourselves in a thank God for this what has happened because it is it is made believers leaders really look within themselves. And we happen to think like we'd never thought before we haven't done things that we've never done before. So shamefully It's a shame to say that you can't get away from the fact that we've had TED talk because we've had innkeepers. We've had Pharaohs behind pulpits, Pharaohs, Lord in in over burning in Cape assignor, there's no room for Jesus. It's all about me. So we haven't had the true gospel. So the congregations have been robbed. And now we're finding ourselves that it's an individual thing. What they were saying over that church, well, they was preaching what I heard and what they said about sewing and give me give me give me isn't helping me. So we're finding ourselves with a lot of believers with mental health issues with depression.
Simon Pinchbeck:And the best advice I had at the start is kind of from a guy I know in Texas, and yeah, he he rang me and he said, Simon, he said, during this time Yeah, pushing to the Lord like you've never pushed him before. So when you come out you'll come out in power Yeah, on your face that you're on your knees. Yeah, pray like man's gang get in get getting God so inside of you get to know more get to know his face, which is Sanjay was. So when we, when you coming out? You coming in, in power.
Reverend Ben Cooper:And that's what it always should have been. And that's what we are saying we're starting to hear and say, believers are going I gotta get in a word. I've gotta get in a word of get gotta get in a word. See?
Simon Pinchbeck:Why is the message? Yeah. Things are looking. To the right is our wall.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Daniel, Daniel, we got Daniel, the writing's
Simon Pinchbeck:on the wall. But yeah, God is still in control. Always will belly still parent and
Reverend Ben Cooper:child. That is the thing Christ is there. You know, there is nothing new under the sun. He is in control. He is in control. But we but what we got to what we got to think about as well, you've got to understand the Old Testament as well. Because in the Old Testament, it shows us in a few places where, where, where, where God handed over the Israelites to the Midianites because they done evil in the eyes of him. So if a nation keeps doing evil, evil, evil, he's not going to leave us but he's going to go right, okay. Okay, Hang on a moment. You know, when the church preaches of this loving Jesus, this arms are wrapped around Jesus and this cloud and everything's okay. Grace has covered everything. But the real Christ is telling us look at the signs of the times. And if a nation does not follow the Word of God, He will hand this over. You not leave us because he said, I'll never leave you nor forsake you. But there comes a point, just like job and there comes times in a nation's existence, that if that nation is is keeps ridiculing and does not listen, because that's what made it really clear in judges and Judges, chapter six with Gideon. He said, I've given you these clear instructions. You have not listened. I've handed you over to the Midianites and it says the Israelites went up into the caves. They made strongholds because they was in fear. And that's what we've got.
Simon Pinchbeck:What does he do?
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah, yes, we love what he does never
Simon Pinchbeck:ever leaves it without a remnant
Reverend Ben Cooper:never know that there is a remnant
Simon Pinchbeck:company army of God and he raises men out for such acts. And I think we are we've that's where we are on this. only serve only love it you in the serve suit. Because Yeah, because he's he's raising men out at a time such as this. That's right to take the fight back. It takes The format to stand
Reverend Ben Cooper:to stand up comedians are being raised up totally. But Gideon understood a new God. And he said, You're calling me a mighty warrior? Yeah. But then get in that at the front to speak to the owner of the Lord. And he. He said he made it really clear. He said, If this is your voice, I don't know minute. I'm just gonna get a second. He was completely open. I'm not sure but I need a sign.
Simon Pinchbeck:Sorry, got a sheepskin.
Reverend Ben Cooper:What I love about Gideon was the angel of the Lord called him a mighty warrior. And he went, pardon me, my god. You're calling me that. But then also he brings into the conversation. Why are we in this situation? Why are we in this now? he flicked it back on God. Now he said we'd heard for our ancestors that God got us out of Egypt. It set us free it done this and he had done that. But what he hadn't realized is that the nation and and the children of Israel were living according to bow, yes, they became idolatrous worshippers they, they allowed the nation to influence them. And they took on the worship of foreign gods. And when a nation and individuals take on a worship of foreign foreign gods, which we do in the UK, we have so many foreign gods, you can easily worship a foreign God without realizing get cold, you take certain church services used to take certain things that are happening, you've got a lot of things that are coming under the cover of the nine church, when there's hidden agendas, there's sorcery, there's paganism, there's devil worship, there's a cultic activity, but you might be a child of the God of Israel. But you've got caught in a nation where the nation is very idolatrous.
Simon Pinchbeck:And you said it been the biggest The biggest problem in churches and it is maybe for another time is the decibel spread which is which is so strong so controlling and and it doesn't even it It destroys churches, it destroys ministries, and they don't it doesn't even care if people leave it doesn't even care if they go we don't even care if they go because what happens if they go they criticize them they call them this they are on that. And in the end the church is ruined is broken because of those edits. Why?
Reverend Ben Cooper:That's right.
Simon Pinchbeck:Yeah. So what we what we have to do is even if we're just doing it individually with a few people around us we gotta stand up. We've got to hold the line yeah be praying like man Yeah. And and form this small groups of men. The powerful groups are meant to disciple each other to make sure that your arm All right. Families, okay, have you forward an embrace over man,
Reverend Ben Cooper:talk about your problems, talk about your problems, and don't walk in to the church has made it as as created a culture of everything has to be okay. If it ain't Okay, you're not really following Jesus.
Simon Pinchbeck:And that and there. Yeah. And that is the biggest lie. Because Yeah, churches should be a place for broken people
Reverend Ben Cooper:where I can come to church and go to our pastor. A bad boy. You know what, Simon I have struggled this week. I feel bruised. I feel a feel painful. But we walk for the church doors. It's like a saloon in it. The Doors swing open. Oh, yeah. I'm blessed a 95. And a great week, brother. All is well.
Simon Pinchbeck:Let me tell you what happens in a pub right? in the pub door. Everyone's happy, cheery drinking will refer you to look back at a pub. There's people sitting down. Yes. There's the guys drunk out there. Those guys totally out there. out there.
Reverend Ben Cooper:So first impressions, first impressions. So the saloon doors are the church open? Yeah. Trust me two kids, your wife and your husband. All dressed up smart smelling beautiful white teeth. Nice car and the drive were blessed yellow alila praise the name of Jesus. But inside you're struggling with porn. You're struggling with gambling, you're struggling with money. You're in debt, your credit cards expanding. But on the outside. You got a good so you've got a lovely car. You've got a nice house, but no one knows what really is going on inside. So when this hits the fan, revelations 13 has been here for a while now. Yeah, we can see we're failing on wire.
Simon Pinchbeck:That's why I loved you know, with the real man for Christ. Then slowly building a vent and
Reverend Ben Cooper:you did a great job. And
Simon Pinchbeck:we had a little zoom meeting we had about 10 feathers. And feathers are coming out and going I'm struggling with this law. Yeah. So you men love the camaraderie that men love together. We've just seen people on computer on AI they want some actually never have I
Reverend Ben Cooper:stopped playing thing. Yeah, yeah, it's and critical
Simon Pinchbeck:times is critical, critical time. So I was so pleased that people were being open with very, very quickly. That's real church and you know why they're being open been because they allow the Holy Spirit to come into their life, allow the Holy Spirit in your life, it will convict you and He will go deep and protocol and bring things out into the open he will deal with things and when it comes out into the open into the lightest diluted autumn Yes,
Reverend Ben Cooper:yes. Do you feel that there's a moment, there's a way forward? And I'm not alone. And I'm not alone. So when you look at Revelation 13, the platform the base to the in the sea, and where are we on? It's been frightening to go through this pandemic. But it's been powerful to go through this pandemic. I will not change my journey. No, because because it shaped me. It's made me think different to look different. Yeah. My understanding of God.
Simon Pinchbeck:Yeah, you do look different.
Reverend Ben Cooper:I bet a different I look tired, exhausted. worn out. I'm onl
Simon Pinchbeck:Bigger, bigger.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Busy Bay, my friend. You know, I mean, so it has shaped me. It has shaped me is really it has challenged me
Simon Pinchbeck:when I was when I was a young man. 1969
Reverend Ben Cooper:back in the ark. Yeah.
Simon Pinchbeck:A record came out. But bicoid record was in the year 2525 by two guys Sager and Evan sighs by me, Bruce, number one and all that. But they said everything you think during say we'll be in the pills you took today. Now they were they were foretelling
Reverend Ben Cooper:yet. Wow.
Simon Pinchbeck:But they've got the years wrong. Right? They did. And right at the end, the other last one, they went. He said, Man has lived 10,000 years got to shake his mighty head and they will either say what I'm pleased with man or he will say I'm going to tear this down and start again. Wow. And that was that was the record. secular record a secular record. Yeah, yeah. In the year 2025.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah. It's about now. It's that nice.
Simon Pinchbeck:25 years, goodness gracious. But listen, if you're out there, please. You know, when we're when we're giving you a like a portal to look at these things, because you may not have you may not have recognized it or understood it or seen it in plain sight. But it is happening and if you're a Christian out there, keep your head on a swivel. Keep watching. keep crying. Keep looking beyond that narrative. Yeah, you know, because we're, we were told to accept that narrative at all times. Look beyond that. Keep looking to Jesus Christ. Keep looking to the Word of God. And believe me, get up in the morning and say, Lord, what do you want me to do today? Not my will but your will be done in my life. And and is the thing you know, when I was it was I want to talk about this a little bit more. But not the other day. yesterday. I pulled up at the drive thru Starbucks coffee before? Yeah. And little girl. What What do you want on? I pulled up and asked her how she is a shout out masculine sour, you swing up. And before you know where you are the eyes lit up. You know, she was smiling. She was saying Yeah, I've got a conversation. There was
Reverend Ben Cooper:a conversation. It's the conversations. We've missed it. The smiles behind the mask,
Simon Pinchbeck:but it's there. So. So be
Reverend Ben Cooper:be nice, be kind
Simon Pinchbeck:be sensible. But big, bigger be can't be
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah, get Jesus out. And I think the thing is, is how would Jesus be in this time? He's the one to follow. How would he would How would he deal with this? What would he say? What would he do? How would he treat people? all that sort of stuff? You know, it's how Christ there were this if he was living here in that flesh with us, it was yours. But you know, I'm saying if he were walking this earth now, how would he treat humanity? How would he do this?
Simon Pinchbeck:I think we do. It's with Christ. If you didn't. He fed the 5000 any but but it was more. It was more into one on one. And he go Are you frightened? Are you fear? Don't be afraid. Don't be afraid. Come to me. Come to me. I'll tell you burdens. Take my yoke. It's like just fall into my arms. You know,
Reverend Ben Cooper:said he said that to the disciples. He said that to the to the Father that was frightened of losing his Son, he said that to so many people. Don't be afraid. Yeah. Don't be afraid. Don't be afraid.
Simon Pinchbeck:Trust.
Reverend Ben Cooper:So, how do we sum this up? The key is Jesus. Yeah. And I reposition myself in Christ and not in the structure of church.
Simon Pinchbeck:Yeah. Follow Jesus. Follow Jesus. Don't stay out of everything that was trying to tell ya. Yeah. Be aware of what's going on, keep it. Keep it a distance.
Reverend Ben Cooper:From a distance, watch it from a distance, see or
Simon Pinchbeck:be aware. Otherwise, you will go down a rabbit hole. And yeah,
Reverend Ben Cooper:you won't. It's typical to take it down. The fear
Simon Pinchbeck:will tell you that. So Stand back, stay in the promises. Stay beyond the shield of Jesus Christ. Yeah, under the shield under the umbrella of Christ, stay there. And, and just watch and if these opportunities to get you to Saturday, and take them, but be led by the Holy Spirit.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Gotta be led by the Holy Spirit.
Simon Pinchbeck:Holy Spirit. So what I'm saying, Ben, just to wrap this up, is anyone out there who doesn't know Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior? And by the way, if you're Christian, out there, now's the time to get your family saved to tell you to get your
Reverend Ben Cooper:friend say it's
Simon Pinchbeck:now now's time. But if you're listening to this, and then and you're saying, Yeah, you know, I want I don't want to live in fear. I want what what they're saying about this Jesus Christ. And then we can do it right now. Just, let's just wherever you are, just just, Lord, Father, forgive me for all this stuff I've done and listen, if there's anything they need to do, just just put it before him now and say, forgive me
Reverend Ben Cooper:for your Holy Spirit.
Simon Pinchbeck:And here's the poor thing. Turn away from all that stuff. turn my back and all that stuff. I give it to you, Jesus, I'll wrap it up in a black, vacuous disposable bag and throw it at the foot your cross, I know except your Son, Jesus Christ into my life. I accept those loving arms into my mat to be my Lord, and my Savior. From this moment forward. In Jesus name, amen. Now, we believe if you said that little prayer and really mean it in your heart, yeah. And we believe that you're born again and you're now a citizen of the kingdom of God. And you can live under the under the shelter and promises of Jesus Christ. And if you wonder where to take the next step, then get in touch with us. Get in touch with us, even in Swanley. Remember Christ me and Ben with us and we will talk with you with the center and and we'll guide you through whatever you're going through Christ and if you're a Christian out there, and you want to know a little bit more and you're a little bit worried, please get in touch that's what we're here for. You know, the young girl walked in this morning and we pray for her that's what we want to do with you. If you're out there and you need a simple
Reverend Ben Cooper:it's simple. Yeah, but remember, don't follow us. Follow Jesus Yeah.
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Reverend Ben Cooper:is in the Wi Fi. He owns the air he's he's so good. assignment is so true. Everything that he said and we thank Simon for coming all the way over from Essex. Whereabouts he lives I'm not sure. But we thank god Simon so much and we know where you come from my friend. But all joking aside if you need Simon please contact him via his YouTube channel. You can get him for us here at Elim church in Swanley and we really appreciate appreciate his time and his effort. Thank you everyone for watching and listening. You've been joining myself from Benjamin Leonard Cooper and Simon Pinchbeck. This monitors our wherever you are around the world, stay under the blood of Jesus state, the Word of God and there is always hope never give up because greater is He that is in you. And he that is in the world. rosko price Jesus Thanks, man. God bless