Good morning and welcome. Thank you for joining us this morning here at Elim Church you're joining us, as we just gather around the mics as we look at the suffering church, the persecuted church, you're joining myself, Reverend Benjamin, Leonard Cooper, and we have Sam rivers today, as we always explore on a Thursday of what's happening around the world, just a small recap of what we have that's going on. And we do value your prayers, we really do value your prayers for Sondra. As she moves in this ministry, it's a very involved, it's very emotionally draining with some of the literature that's out there on what we see in here that's going on. So we really would value your prayers for Sondra as she dives into the world of the suffering church. And she brings so much to the table for us. And we thank her and David, her husband for their lives. And we just pray that God will strengthen them in all things, Sandra, good morning, thank you for coming over again this morning. Okay, week after week after week, as we look as we explore and more more to say that what you do rather than what I do, but you are bringing some great information I understand. And I see it's very, it can be heavy at some times, as we've discussed off air and things that we know, and we've been looking at for a long time now. But we're just gonna have a quick, quick recap, just a quick recap. And then we're going to go into a very, very powerful subject that we might not complete it today. But it's a very, very powerful subject, Sandra, what we got?
Sandra Robson:Okay, so last time, we were looking and finishing off the overview of key events in 2020. And we looked at Nigeria, and India, and and particularly gave thanks for all the wonderful things God has been doing. And, you know, despite COVID, that, you know, aid was got was able to be given out to all these people, that awareness was increased about what was going on how aid was being denied, and Christian minorities, particularly Christians, religious minorities. And so the call was sent out to the brothers and sisters, the church, and they responded, and then brave, other brave brothers and sisters actually took it to those places those out of the way, and places that you know, and the wonderful stories that we've heard about how that affected people's lives. And like, you know, I've been reading about Elijah and the widow and Elijah and another widow, and how, you know, they were on the last little bit of oil or bread or, and then God showed up, and this is, in these days, how God is showing up, people have said, I was praying, I was the last morsel of bread, and you arrived, and we just say, Thank You, Lord, that our prayers are behind that. Because those people went, and they will, they said, they were lifted up by our prayers to go and take that food and, and overcome, you know, their negative thoughts and anxieties and fear. And you know, what, into what they were going into, but you gave them strength, you gave them courage to support brothers and sisters, in places we couldn't reach. But our prayers reach them. They've been and they felt those prayers. And, you know, some communities were turned around because they saw the love of Jesus, as people shared the little they were given the resources, and you know, the things that, you know, they said, Oh, you know, that your god, look after you? Well, he did. Amen. You know, and we say, Thank you, Lord, for our daily bread, you know, when we say,
Reverend Ben Cooper:the Lord's Prayer,
Sandra Robson:and so I just want to remind people of that, and and say thank you, and we give thanks for all the organizations are doing. And so today, we are looking at persecution of women. And this is a very, it's a really hard subject. But the reason I want to look at it is so that I can, you can understand more about how wonderful is about this declaration of humanity, what a big step it is, and what we're hoping it will enable an achieve and change through prayer and through action. So I want to explain about this persecution of women. And we know that, you know, we talked about, you know, the whole family, but it's, it's through open doors, they've done research, and found that women are twice as vulnerable as men, and then they are targeted for people. persecution. And, and it's hidden. It's complex, and it's violent. And this is what it says what they've said in this report, it says targeting women is low risk for persecutors while also having a devastating impact on the whole church, preventing women from freely raising their children, as Christians, is an effective means of controlling the Christian population. Attacking women creates a ripple effect of shame, intimidating the whole family and spreading fear in the community. The nature of persecution against women is hidden, complex and violent. And so I want to unpack that a bit. Because I learned things that I didn't appreciate about different cultures, about different societies, how they view things, how persecutors use and exploit those weaknesses, and those traditions and culture and everything. So this report tells us that sexual violence, including rape, happens to 84%, that's 84% of persecution against Christian women involves persecuted sexual persecution in the top 50 countries on the world watch list. And that is shocking,
Reverend Ben Cooper:very, very nice,
Sandra Robson:is absolutely shocking. And then a, and then 64% is physical violence. So we think about the man and yeah, they're losing their lives, and it's more in your face, what happens how men are persecuted, but women, it is it is hidden, often hidden. Why? Why is that? Well, because men feel responsible for what happens. So they find it hard to come forward in communities to say that the other woman has been attacked. And so there's an issue about getting evidence to show this has happened, they feel they failed, and they feel they've brought shame to the family. So that's 1311 thing to this is
Reverend Ben Cooper:a very quiet act, isn't it that goes on, behind closed doors, no such high figures 84%. In 50, of on the world watch list around the world, and 64% is physical.
Sandra Robson:Yeah, and, and a lot has been perpetrated during the uprising like, through ISIS, and through jihadis, and all these different things, conflicts, and they have used that to abuse women. And, and so we're going to see, you know,
Reverend Ben Cooper:it's very disturbing, my my, my spirit, I must, must admit that I almost want to close off to this, I don't really want to engage in that if I'm completely honest. Because I find that ever so low, I understand when lives are lost, I get that I fully grasp that I can engage more. But when you hear the such high figures, I actually lost for words, and that's a very rare thing. And it makes me feel very, very uncomfortable, very agitated, filled, almost feel sick to my stomach went up when I think I have to stop my mind actually go into the places that I can't go there because it makes me angry, it makes me frustrated this thing that this high percentage of women, not only are they in nations that are completely against Christianity, but also they are being well, sexual violence, harassment, physical violence, then we go into the mental effect of that affects women and their load this this is very, very close, and very powerful. And I pray that the authorities, for their wisdom will be able to deal with this because this is this is an unseen act that is done detestable by evil men that think that they have the right to do whatever they will. And may God have mercy.
Sandra Robson:Yeah. And some under religious
Reverend Ben Cooper:Exactly. hiding under that cloak of religion. Yeah. Cultural stuff.
Sandra Robson:Yeah. So so that's the backdrop. And yes, it is very distasteful and very Yeah, very sickening. And that's I have to Look at. But again, as I pray, Lord says, you know, this is a fact Sandra, you need to share this fact. And open doors wants us to do that they've said, Please share this information. So I have the opportunity to share this information and to do and
Reverend Ben Cooper:I'm glad that it makes me feel uncomfortable, it makes me realize how blessed we are, where we where we are in the UK, even though all the things that are going on. But again, as we always say, this is a this is a very, very, very important that this is a prayer target. Yeah, this is a, this is a target, this is an area, maybe we're listening, and we can't listen, and we just gotta switch off and go to somewhere else, we fully understand that. And we appreciate that. For those listeners that are going to continue all the way through, I do really believe in my spirit that this this is the right time. And Sandra said that God has laid it on her heart, and we're not gonna be able to go into the full depth of it is something we may continue to press into later on down. But this is a very real fact, as the statistics are telling us the Sandra's telling us, but what is coming across to me at this moment is prayer. Target this area, you know, it's an area that's happening behind closed doors, and it's very violent, and it's very bleak. And it's brutal brutality, and it's inhumane, and prayer will release these beautiful women. Prayer lists them.
Sandra Robson:Yeah, that's right. And that's something of the campaign of open doors is see change, for it to be seen for women to be seen. So there is change. So, so the men may find it difficult, the husband's if the woman has been violated. And also, within certain societies, you have the patriarch, and he or she will advise the woman to keep quiet, because of fears that will bring more difficulties on the family, such as discrimination at work or being prevented from sharing the community resources. So these women are suffering in silence. Because of those pressures. Yeah. So that's, that's the overview, then we have the husbands being killed. And so then the woman is a widow. And they found out that that makes her twice as vulnerable,
Reverend Ben Cooper:I can imagine.
Sandra Robson:So she has lack of resources. So her husband has died. And she's also by some communities, they see that as not being blessed, and they shun the woman. So, for example, Boko Haram, in Nigeria, they captured a whole village, and this woman escaped with the clothes on her back, she says, right, let me say, we Rukia in Nigeria, and she came back with her children, her husband was killed. And then she faced alienation, as she returned as a widow. Yeah, without support and without her husband had no means to provide for our family. And so that's the situation.
Reverend Ben Cooper:That's heavy today, Sandra. And this is it because it's reality. This is really real. I understand that, that lives have been lost. But the more I look at these pictures that you have there, and there's nothing of, of any brutality, but just look at the faces as we always do it just yeah, certain things just go deeper than other things. And I know. But this as Sandra was saying, This is I've got come back to the prayer. I have to come back to this at the moment. So if you could just bear with me. So yeah, what what we have here is 84%. sexually violated we have 64% that are physically beaten. Yeah, husbands have been killed. They've been stripped back. They are, you could almost say looked upon as the lowest of the lowest of the low. So they are easy target. Yes. Obviously, their physicality and their strength is not going for them. So they cannot fight off. traumatized, they're traumatized. They're going through bereavement of loss of their husband, they've got no work they've got no money,
Sandra Robson:right? No for China, look after them.
Reverend Ben Cooper:You have these absolute evil animals doing what they do. Oh, God, please, I'm asking God to help me to understand father. So this this is so important. This is so important listeners, you know,
Sandra Robson:because they're under an ideology that yes, they believe it's okay to do this and they don't see the women as women. So very sad. That's right. They it's the enemy though.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Evil. This is no words that you can put, you can't I cannot articulate this I cannot, how I feel in my spirit. So how this is affecting me at the moment. It's making me angry. And I'm saying, God, help me, help me to forgive helped me to forgive so I can get myself back into a position of prayer. And I've got to swing back to this a moment, Sandra, for all those that are listening, you know, and you're staying with us and listening and sharing all this stuff. I do believe that the word that we've just the two words, rather that we got to target in prayer is sexual violence. Yeah, literally press into that, that God will save them. They're evil men, that God will turn them around. They will apologize. They will. They will just come to Christ and let Christ deal with it. But this is this is a good, good subject to deal with, because it makes us really think makes us go deeper.
Sandra Robson:Yeah.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Okay, Sandra.
Sandra Robson:So the violence can be used as a weapon of war against women and girls, it can be legitimized within a forced marriage. And it can be it can corrode relationships by bringing shame on the entire community. There's another thing that happens is forced marriages. And so it brings dishonor intentionally. It may not. And then, after that, the woman may go back may be allowed back to her community, and she won't receive the compassion and help that's needed to recover. Yeah, from the trauma. She's stigmatized and alienated from the community.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah.
Sandra Robson:And, and, in some, some cultures, forced marriage and can appear respectable, but it's actually used to punish the Christian community. Christian women can't raise their family and the religion of their choice. And this is something that's happening in my mouth, I didn't realize. And they're pressured into following their husband's religion. And there's another bit about my more later on about the heat. The other thing that's happening is the abduction and human trafficking, which I didn't, yeah, I knew that was going on, but I didn't realize quite what volume. Yeah. And yeah, and, and how it was happening. And for what, what reasons. So what open doors are done. So that's the overview. So that's why it's hidden. Why it's complex, because you've got the persecution going on, but then you've got this sort of cultural side that then feels shamed. So there's a double whammy, and the persecutor knows that okay, I do this act, and then the community will also disown so they'll Yeah, that's where the double persecution comes in. Yeah. And and then you've got the violence as well and the terrible trauma
Reverend Ben Cooper:and yeah, we can't we can't talk about the trauma because that is so personal to them. So we would we could never ever understand and get get close to that how them women are feeling after their vile Act has taken place. Yeah. And after the loss so they're going not or they're going through bereavement not only are they got their children to fend for not only are they living in really poor conditions, they've got this to deal with the the after effect, the mental effect. The the emotional effect, though, it's just so much so much to take in. I just pray God, please strengthen them sisters.
Sandra Robson:Yeah. And I mean, you know, makes it more wonderful when, as I told you last time that I get these CDs, yeah. And there was a lady on that. And I shared it in the church here some years ago, about a trauma center. They've been
Reverend Ben Cooper:fantastic.
Sandra Robson:And she had had this trauma care. And then she'd gone on to support all those other widows.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah. Because he
Sandra Robson:and like that verse, isn't it that says that the God of all comfort will come for us. And, and out of, Oh, you know, out of out of evil. Yes. You know, the Joseph switch comes, you know, you meant it for evil, but God has brought good out of it. Not that good. But
Reverend Ben Cooper:now, man.
Sandra Robson:I just thank the Lord that the they've been able, so many organizations been able to set up trauma centers, and I pray for protection of those because many, many of them have Being under attack. And when I think about also the fact that these women don't go through it once they can go through it twice night, we've heard about that woman who had, she had escaped her village and and ended up in a camp and then the
Reverend Ben Cooper:camp, the campaign was delayed,
Sandra Robson:it was taken. And she gave evidence to the party, during, you know, we had the, yeah, the launch of the world watch list the other week. And she was one of the people who gave evidence to our government about what is going on. And it just brings it home when I read all this, but and you know, and I, unlike, you know, I do I I think, Lord God, what is going on how awful This is just, you know? And then, you know, that says to me, the sun, yes. But remember, look, I've set up this over here, and I've set up that over here, and I'm wanting you to speak about it here. And you know, and I just say thank you for those, those shoots of hope. What is, you know, the enemy is trying to destroy that? Yes, God is, you know, his power is just so great. And they go through this trauma. And I thank the Lord, for the people in those the centers that are helping, and, you know, and the miracles that are happening, you know, and sometimes there's been things I've read, you know, there's been testimonies, and I haven't really appreciated how fantastic they are. Because we're going to something, again in here about the woman who was one of those girls who was taken by Boko Haram and then escaped. And when she got back, she was found to be pregnant. And she had a little baby. Wow. And I brought I remember doing the video about that. And now, having read all this, it makes me appreciate what this
Reverend Ben Cooper:is. This is very real.
Sandra Robson:The pain of what, you know what was going on there that she'd escaped, Praise the Lord. She's escaped, but because of how the village saw it, and they thought that she was bringing back Shame on them because she ended up pregnant by this. rapist, yes. But you know, by this, yeah. That that, you know, and she had she, fortunately, God had set up somewhere that she could go and be healed and restored, and have faith to flourish to where she could accept herself and her child, and bring that child and love that child. You know, and
Reverend Ben Cooper:have had difficulty that when you really look at that story
Sandra Robson:against the society,
Reverend Ben Cooper:everything has gone against her. And suddenly, nine months later, she has the evidence of the trust to happen. But out of that comes a beautiful child. Yes. Out of that.
Sandra Robson:So they call them and this is a esta esta and this was it was really through this that open doors and felt they were to do and when they were the people buy in open doors work together in prayer and they think about Esther and about the situation and that they brought on this sea change. And Esther was abducted as I said, by Boko Haram when she was 17. She was forcibly married and says that so many men raped her. When she when she was helpless. She lost count. When she returned to her community. She was pregnant with her daughter Rebecca. Instead of receiving a welcome after ordeal, Esther was shunned by her friends and family. They called my baby buku she says and that's sadly what's happening. And and you know, I know that this is what again, so even when they release them, they know they're going to go back to pain, whether they
Reverend Ben Cooper:whatever, whatever way it goes, yeah, whatever way it goes.
Sandra Robson:And that's particularly so in Africa. Now the human trafficking my Mr. vulnerable Christians are preyed upon by Honorable sounding offers of marriage, but they're young women, these women are being trafficked as brides into China because there's a lack. And because of their one child policy. Yeah. And but again, praise God, that there are people involved in breaking a man this traffic is in an A major prostitution ring of smuggling Christian girls to China, for fake marriages has been busted, not so long ago. And we pray that more of those will be uncovered. And these girls will be helped and supported. And you know, yeah, they won't this won't be able to happen and the matchmaking centers Yeah, and, you know, we that are happening apparently, in Asia. And
Reverend Ben Cooper:you can actually see it runs hand in hand Kenya with the sexual violence with the physical violence, with the trafficking with everything that goes on the selling for marriage You can get this is just a big area where it just easily slides across the threat of each other where it's very interwoven. Yeah, you can see that you can see exactly how this is for sexual violence for ill treatment for physical violence for for the promise of a better life for a possible of freedom and slavery, you can take
Sandra Robson:pain and I know
Reverend Ben Cooper:they're not escaping, they are given have spun a lie. They have been given a word from these organize it these organized gang war, gangs, these terrorists, these violent rapist is just in their hiding under the cloak of religion.
Sandra Robson:Yeah. And it's all to prevent the next generation from following Jesus. That's what they're doing. They want the women so that they can bring them into the faith they believe they should be part of. And so then they can claim the children and they think through that they will extinguish,
Reverend Ben Cooper:yes, they
Sandra Robson:will extinguish. But Jesus is in the heart, and even these women who are in slavery, and have to say that they are under another religion, Islam or whatever they know in their heart of God, God knows that they are knows that it is his, he is doing amazing miracles. And I thank the Lord for these women who, who who stand up like this female converts Christianity in from Islam will face immense pressures from their family to try to force her to convert back to Islam. If she does not an Imam may be called to convince her of her sin. Or she could be sent to a psychiatric hospital, I didn't realize that. Even if a Christian man were willing to marry a woman from a Muslim background would be at least legally prevented from marrying a non Muslim. And they are often kept behind closed doors when they know that they've become a Christian they are under house arrest, the
Reverend Ben Cooper:measure the measure that these religious organizations go to, to try to remove Christianity. Yeah, the depths that another human being would go to the loneliness, the vile aloneness, that they will reach to, to try to remove Christianity and, and Christ away from that person. But romans eight Nothing can separate us from the love of God, that is in Christ Jesus. So no, no brutality, is we see the results that these beautiful women that have gone through elite atrocities are still smiling. Look at them, they are going because rific thing they
Sandra Robson:have had the care but there's need for more care. After they've, you know, received that care that, you know, thank God for them. So they had that weeping weeping last for a night but joy comes in the morning and we pray for that morning for them. Yeah, and this is a case related to the Middle East and North Africa where, you know, they would be forced, you know, to denounce the faith. Jamal grew up in a Muslim family but became interested in Christianity through a friend, she wants to become a Christian herself but could not because of the threat to her life from her family. If I believe that Jesus is God, they will kill me, she wrote goodness
Reverend Ben Cooper:so silence for me this morning. I'm absolutely gobsmacked. To be fair, this has really hit me hard. But Praise be to God, I thank God for this coming to the table today, because it makes me realize how easy easy we have it here in the UK, when you look at these, these beautiful women that are going through and going through as we sit here in the comfort of the studio, as we sit here in the comfort of our chairs, as we sit in the comfort of our cars, as we listen to this, and wherever we may be, you know, in the UK, or across the globe, that there are sisters, going through things that we would never, never have to experience, never have to see, never get to that position, the emotion, the trauma on the body, the trauma in the mind, the trauma in the thinking, the trauma in the cognitive process in the trauma that is upon you must be so immense. The only way that I can see anyone could ever recover is by the grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit to recover from such brutality and go on and to care for the children that have been conceived through sexual violence.
Sandra Robson:Yes. And then there's the other side that yeah, that sometimes their children are taken away from them. You know, if they find out they're Christians, they seem to be unfit to look after their children. Yeah. So that's a very sad thing. And so, this, so that's the research that open doors have done. And they so through that they've said, it is important to appreciate that these things are persecution well happen, that in some cultures would be acceptable or not acceptable.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Can I hold up? Can I hold us a second on that? So you said that we need to reiterate that certain cultures will accept the brutality that goes on with women,
Sandra Robson:or that it should be hidden.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah, but they accept it. Yeah, they accept the act. Yeah. Oh, my God, have mercy on whoever that may be.
Sandra Robson:And so their recommendations were there, every woman persecuted for faith, and gender is seen, valued and empowered. And so open doors are delivering pod projects that meet the specific needs of persecuted women, whether that means humanitarian relief, trauma care, or political advocacy. And one of the things that has gone forward is the political advocacy. So through the campaigning of open doors, and others, we now have in the UK, the preventing sexual violence and conflict initiative team. And recently, they have launched the declaration of humanity. And this is the first of its kind, okay. And so, the idea of this is that in 2019, the sea change campaign raise the awareness that women in Peru are persecuted, women are twice as vulnerable. And 16,000 people signed a handmade petition that was put up in Westminster Abbey, and it had all the faces of of women very powerful prayers. And it was it was it was very powerful. And that declared, that women are seen and loved. So going on from this report, that was the next thing that happened, then this group has come about, and the this lady, Jacqueline Isaac, who is the Vice President, and have a Rhodes of success, and an international lawyer, has worked in this team to bring this declaration. And she as then she's had an interview with open doors to explain what it's about. And so basically, it says that it's the declaration of humanity, by leaders of faith and belief to prevent sexual violence in conflict, and end the stigma facing survivors and children and it emphasizes the double vulnerability Let's say of religious minorities and calls for protection encourages support for survivors of sexual violence internationally. It condemns and refines and redefines rape, and associated violence. It affirms the innocence of survivors and the need to honor and accept them back into their community. It commits those who sign it, to do everything in their power to prevent the sexual violence occurring. So that is what it is for. Good. And thank the Lord that it has happened. Amen to that, and many faith leaders have signed up to it. And something we can do is we can also sign up to it. And there is an email address. And that is p S. VI, eye at FCD. gov Govt. So if you want to see a change and see that women are not treated in this way that that this thing that has been done in darkness comes out into the light and is seen for what it is.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah, yes.
Sandra Robson:The you know that. The evil that that Yeah. That I can't find that is happening against women, this terrible persecution, okay, we that is where you should go. And also, if you want more information, and look on the open doors website, and particularly look up, see, as in to see some think, see change. And that will give you the latest on the campaigns and what's happening with women. And I also know that a release international dude doing fantastic work supporting women, particularly in India, and that's going to be important, because apparently there is recently an increase, a rise in in sexual violence there. So, to finish the day, I just thank the Lord that about this declaration. And we pray that we'll be put into practice. Next week, I'll explain a little bit more about it, because that's just what it is. But there's a lot more. Yeah, I would say, Yeah. You know, to, to unpack it, and show how it's gonna work in practice, let's
Reverend Ben Cooper:go for that.
Sandra Robson:Because there's a lot to take in. You know, like the thing that is, you know, again, you know, out of these terrible things, and it's so sad that we need a declaration, but there is a declaration, right, God and faith leaders are coming to it. And they've, they've, they, I can tell you more about, you know, how some faith leaders are putting this into practice, and helping the community and we pray for that. Because we don't, you know, after they've been through such trauma, what we don't want is for the enemy to be able to use the community against us. Yeah, so, you know, there's, there's misunderstanding, and there's
Reverend Ben Cooper:things that things yeah,
Sandra Robson:needs need needs to change, so that we can support and help and encourage. And, yeah, love our brothers and sisters, you know, who says doesn't? Love your neighbor as yourself? Yeah. And that's what we want to see. And we want to see these women, being able to thrive and being able to overcome and be the beautiful women God wants them to be, and to be a wonderful witness to him. And they are,
Reverend Ben Cooper:of course, I
Sandra Robson:read these stories. I yeah. And I say Thank You, Lord, I just say thank you, Lord, for standing strong. And so that was the verse that the Lord brought back to me was about and this is what brother Andrew said this what God said to brother Andrew, when he set up open doors, he said, strengthen what remains. So I said, Okay, Lord, that was what came Smee and I thought, right, where's that? So it's revelation Three, two, and it says, Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die. And, and that that's a part of that verse. And so this is it, you know, and that's what these perpetrators are hoping for. Yeah. But they're not going it's not going to have coffee. And so we have to have freedom and, and a voice. That's what we need to do. We need to strengthen the things that which remain, praise God and be the instruments. I forgot to do these things.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah, amen. Sandra. I'm actually lost for words this morning. You know, we thank God for what you brought to the table, we praise God that God has stirred our hearts for this. And you can so clearly find this see can see change campaign, the declaration of humanity, you will find that for open doors, we thank God for sandwatch is brought to the table today. And the prayer is this morning God we just pray that you will strengthen the sisters around the world that are going through these atrocities. And Lord, we pray that you will soften my heart that you'll help me Lord, push the anger and the frustration download. But Lord, I thank You Father, what you are doing right now Lord, we pray for peace. We pray for calm. These women in law that are having and holding their babies that have been birthed through these acts of violence. We pray that you will use them little children to bring healing to their beautiful mom's law because them women are children of the living God and Father, we thank you for them little babies. We pray, Lord, that you will use them father that they will not bring any memory back to mum of what happened but what the goodness of God is and how beautiful life is and how precious life is. So Father bless the women. And Father I asked you that you would have mercy on every man that thinks that he has a right for religion, for the brutality of what they do, Father, have mercy on their soul, in Jesus name. Amen. Thank you so much for listening to us this morning. It's been quite a heavy hitter. But we need to speak about these things. They need to be aired. They need to be pulled out of the woodwork as we have discussed they need to come out behind the closet behind the closed doors behind the hidden wall. This needs to be exposed and what the enemy meant for harm. God will turn for good. You've been listening to Sandra this morning and Ellen church. My name is Reverend Benjamin Linda Cooper, and we thank you for your time. And please we ask that you will share everything that you hear on this platform as you listen through the media and the power of social media through buzzsprout, Spotify Google, I Heart Radio and Alexa and all zoom and every other platform that we are using. May God bless you and strengthen you. We hope and pray that you do feel the presence of God for these podcasts and may God strengthen you and whoever is listening at this moment. from the world of the suffering church. We pray that God will strengthen you in Jesus name. Amen.