Reverend Ben Cooper: 0:01

Hello and welcome to Ealing church when you're joining myself, Reverend Ben Cooper for today's podcast. Good morning, everybody around the world. Thank you for joining us today. It's myself, Reverend Ben Cooper and we have Sondra Robson with us today, we are back behind the mics. And we are looking as we always do on that Thursday, we've had a couple of weeks break, Sanders had some work come in, as he's a teacher, supplied teacher, we thank God for life and our ministry. But Sandra is gifted as you well know. And God has drawn into the ministry regarding the persecuted church and the suffering church. And we're back we've had a couple of weeks away. So we hope everybody is well that pick these podcasts that we thank you so much for the 1000s of downloads that we've had, may God bless you and strengthen you, wherever you are around the world. Thank you to our listeners on buzzsprout and Spotify, and all the other media platforms that these podcasts go out. But we are going to be here for 3545 minutes as we do as we push this out about the persecuted church. And we're going to go straight in and we're going to look at and we have a quick recap of the prisoners of faith in North Korea, Sondra Hello, and welcome. Hello, how are you?

Sandra Robson: 1:10

I'm all right. Yes, I'm now looking forward to this long summer break after a very busy time. And yeah, so there's been a lot going on with the persecuted church. And so I just want to inform you of a few things of that and recap where we left off as well. Yeah, yes, that's

Reverend Ben Cooper: 1:31

what we Excellent. Thank you. Thank you so much. So let's let's dive straight in. Let's get straight in. I'm going to step straight into a quick recap on the prisoners of faith. Right, Sandra? Over to you Goblin. Yeah,

Sandra Robson: 1:42

so we were looking at North Korea, and there was some information had to come out. And Barnabas had put it in their magazine about what was going on in the prisons and the different camps in North Korea, and some of the, you know, the ways they've been treated and the torture as well. And we were just, like, amazed how Christians were standing up to this and how God was with them. And we thought about the thing about those young men in the fire meesha. I don't know why I get that. shamrock. Bendigo. Yeah. Then Yes, with Jesus in the middle. And there were some instances of that. In this. We were talking about that guy who was in that Steel Cage, and we couldn't imagine how that was a bit horrific. Yes. And there was some other stuff that we also mentioned. And we said that if people wanted to look into it more they could do by looking at the Barnabas magazine, March, April 2021. Yes, yeah, brilliant. And then I said, we were going to have a look at some prisoners of faith. And that's to do with release International, they have a part in a website called prisoners of faith, and you can look up prisoner profiles. So I did a few of those. In the time that I've been doing this, praise God, many of them have been released, but they don't get released from North Korea. Very often I am, particularly if they're pastors, a lot of them do perish. But there are some that do and managed to get out, managed to serve their time, and then they disappear. And maybe then we get some information later on, but we'll never know their names because of all the security and everything else. But this one thing I thought was an interesting one to give you an idea of how you know they work and how these guys end up in prison. So this one is about pastor Kim koenji. And it says to South Korean men were detained in 2014. So it's quite a while ago, but he is still there because it's life imprisonment. Yeah, he was charged with espionage. And he's been dedicated 13 years to helping North Korean defectors in China. That's what he was doing. But North Korea official news agency described the two men as heinous terrorists. Well, they said they zealously took part in an anti North Korean smear campaign, and alleging their activities were organized by the US intelligence and South Korean National Intelligence Service. However, in Seoul, this intelligence service said that was absolutely groundless and denied that they had engaged in espionage operations. And they said we strongly demand North Korea to Quickly release our citizens came and show and repatriate them without hesitation. So, that so that was quashed, however then they come back and they say well, he's also accused of spreading religious propaganda from an underground church, which ran in Danae Dong, which was has a large ethnic Korean community and is the hub of both official and elicit cross border trade. And the reply to that was the General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church in Korea said that the that this wasn't the case that he was actually a missionary. And he was working with North Korean defectors at a Chinese port, and he brought noodles and two, tofu making machines to send to the north as well as sewing machines. So that was his crime. Yeah.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 6:05

That was his crime.

Sandra Robson: 6:06

Yeah. So they said he was sent as a missionary to Dan Jong in in 2003. And since then, he has been operating shelter for refuge for refugees, and had been taking care of refugees, particularly homeless children from North Korea, and Korean migrants, immigrants living in China. Wow. So they made they asked for his release. She didn't get anywhere. And they sent a letter, which they wouldn't accept. And they said we'll pray for his safe return. Then in 2015, and he was sentenced to hard labor for life. Both men have been given sentences on charges of espionage for the South.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 7:04

They say to us that a lot of my knowledge, yes, they seem to push that quite a bit.

Sandra Robson: 7:08

Yeah. A lot of weight says June 2020. Send cards and letters of encouragement to pastor Kim's family. So they believe he's still around.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 7:21

Yeah, so it's quite, it's quite easy to find if anybody wants to do a little bit more reading why Sondra has been reading from release international I just quickly went online and you just simply type in prisoners of faith and straightaway comes up. The persecuted church release international got a great website as we make a lot of reference to and you can find these prisoners straightaway you that Sandra is talking about online straightaway. We've got the free pastors that we're looking at. And you can download their profile, you just click that and it takes you straight in. You've got pastor, the pastor from the early rain covenant church, yeah, he's, he's on there. And there's another two on there that Sandra is looking at. And it tells you everything, you've got a great bit of information. So it's well worth a quick flick through, you know, a couple of clicks and you're straight in lots of information. So we really applaud, release international for the great work that they're doing keeping us up to date with prisoners of faith, but But have a look, just click straight in. Okay, Sandy, you're going to Yeah, the pastor from the early rain church, yeah,

Sandra Robson: 8:24

and do pray that they can get the information because they're making it harder and harder for them to actually get recent information. As we've said, they're preventing people from visiting prisoners. They are really trying to, in all ways to stop the outside world knowing what's going on. But we know that God knows and he's there with them. And he sees through the walls, and there are ways, you know, even though the authorities try and do all this, that news does get out. And and we know that they hear our prayers, too. And God moves in his mysterious ways. And so we still want to talk about them. We still want to say about you know, what's going on that day, you know, this is what's happened of lords, saying, although there hasn't been any information on these, you haven't heard anything. You know, they're my children. And I want to talk about Yeah, yeah. So we have heard about this pastor, I'm only going to reach lots of information, and some people will be aware of things that I've already said about him, but these were a few things that add to it. So pastor Wang Yi, he's early rain covenant main leader, and as we know and police raid in December 2018. He and his wife were charged with inciting subversive subversion of state power and ELeague business operations. And he was sentenced to nine years in prison. He is a former law professor, I didn't realize that that's no information to me. So he knows, he knows he knows the law. Yes. And has been vocal in calling on the state to uphold religious liberties. So now we get that background and why particularly, he was very much involved with all that. And since the crackdown, early met, rain members have been sent back to their hometowns and banned from tend to. So I didn't know that. So now after you know, they, they've actually been sent back so they're not allowed to so hit they're trying to despair. But as we know, Gods can still work through that.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 10:50

But that's so script, because that's what they that's what they was that was happening to the early church, in the book of Acts. Well, they were scattered, they try to scatter them across. Yeah, and quite interesting. As you scatter seed. Yeah, it just multiplies as you as the authorities try to push it out. It gives you an opportunity to grow. So just because it doesn't need to be together as a group to grow and Sandra's read in here, I've just skipped ahead of Sondra a little bit it says it got 100 students. And as a primary school, I think that's really interesting. And it meets around the city regularly attended for more than 800 people each week. This is in a nation that is number one on the list, isn't it? Is it number one?

Sandra Robson: 11:35

China prime? North Korea is North Korea, China. I'm not sure where China is.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 11:41

But this is quite high. It's come right up the list. Yeah. So this is really powerful that you've got 800 people you got work in the primary school is 100 students, you got a Bible school? That's right. So trying to scatter it is just increasing the glory.

Sandra Robson: 11:57

And that is significant because you know, they don't want children, children to hear

Reverend Ben Cooper: 12:05

very significant cost, isn't it? Sandra? Sanders, right, they don't the authorities, they want the children. Because if we can stop the children listening to the gospel that will obviously affect a mass generation. If we can stop the word getting into them young hearts, and then young minds that will that will stop that younger generation and from then onwards. So it's a very clever way of targeting a young audience from a young age and then in doctoring, other teachings and pushing, pushing that out at all. But the seed the seed, the Word of God, we know what the scripture says the word of God is like a seed. And it is growing is continuously growing. So it doesn't matter how hard the authorities push against and try to stop the word. Trying to isolate it. It's gonna grow. It's gonna move. It's gonna explode.

Sandra Robson: 12:55

Yeah, cuz I was looking at Sam The, the most recent prayer CD. Yeah. Last night. And this information about operation pearl. Okay. Do you know about that? Okay, that's fresh eyeballs that was sent to China, in the 1980s. Operation power operation pearl. Yeah. And it's come to light about some people now who have sort of they offshoots of that. Yeah. And how many Bibles? It was a million a million million Bibles. Yeah, that open doors, managed to smuggle into China and well done opened doors. Yeah. So it's quite, it's quite a story. And apparently, there is a book about it. Operation power, which my husband says, and we've got on our bookshelf, but I haven't read it. So anyway, maybe I'll get to read it this summer.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 13:56

Operation pole. There's a bit of research. Yeah,

Sandra Robson: 13:59

yeah. So they were speaking to a guy who was involved in it. And they were saying about how one of those Bibles then led to 20,000 believers. So one of those Bye, bye. I

Reverend Ben Cooper: 14:15

had an impact on 20,000. Yeah, people. Yeah. Oh, my goodness. That's enormous. Wow. Yeah. That is that is an info. I mean, yeah. It's quite astounding. Like talking about the seeds. The seed the seed.

Sandra Robson: 14:34

Yeah. And he had that Bible. he'd met that guy, and he said, I got one of your one of your Bibles. Wow. Then had, you know, yeah, spoken and interesting stuff. 20,000 and he was asking for more Bibles and he became a partner, but he's gone to glory. Hallelujah code home.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 14:57

So there we go. So the author To structure squash, the authorities try to hold back. But look at that. What a lovely story. One Bible how one Bible out of just that million one Bible affected 20,000 people. The seed of faith. Yeah, that's great. Am I making a smile today?

Unknown: 15:17

Yeah,

Reverend Ben Cooper: 15:18

that's a good, good one.

Sandra Robson: 15:19

So this again shows, you know that, you know why we're trying to stamp it out, then yeah, the Bible because while you know power, think about that. Yeah, but it's in people's hearts. Yeah. people's minds. And as you say, they, you know, memorize it. And they take it and they take it with them. Yeah, no,

Reverend Ben Cooper: 15:41

yeah, that's right. memorize it, you know, obviously well up on the gadgets out there in China. And we've heard and we know that they download apps and they get the get the word on their on their phones and different tablets, and they can memorize them. So as we said, you know, there's the scripture says very clearly, put the word of God on the tablet of your heart. It says that put the word of God on the tablet of your heart. So once it's on your heart, no one can take that away. Nothing can separate from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus right sound.

Sandra Robson: 16:11

And the last thing about him was before he was put in prison, he set up this declaration for the sake of the Christian faith. Okay, and that is still in circulation, I believe. And it says, while in 2020, they were talking about it. And it says that church leaders around the world are being encouraged to add their name to pastor Wang's declaration for the sake of the Christian faith, the position will be presented to the Chinese government says you can find out more about that and add your name to it. So that's something is in the is in prison. And he's

Reverend Ben Cooper: 16:46

still working.

Sandra Robson: 16:49

That is still happening. He set that up before it because he knew he was going to be arrested.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 16:56

Yeah, very interesting. You know, look at that early rain covenant church, there's a there's a lot of information. Pastor Wang Yi, of China, and he was arrested. December 2019, nine years, and you will find out all this information is out there in the public arena. just typing prisoners of faith straightaway all comes up on release International.

Sandra Robson: 17:19

Yeah. So pray for him for health and strength and, you know, again, ability in some way to share the gospel. And you know, I'm sure you know, the Lord will use him in his time, pray for his wife, who he knows under severe surveillance, pray for his son has been under great pressure. Yeah, and missing his dad. And likewise. So we do lift them up to the Lord and thank them all for them. And then we have another guy. Again, he's, he should be he's halfway through his prison sentence. JOHN, sang Guang Cho, I think is

Reverend Ben Cooper: 18:00

part of john Cho.

Sandra Robson: 18:01

Yeah. And he was an American Chinese pastor. And I picked this one up because it's very interesting about his works. Yeah, well, he was involved with

Reverend Ben Cooper: 18:11

look at that my mom was in school, all this information, Sanders printed it, I've got it on electronic device in front of us. So it's easy to get hold of all this information and open doors. Again, we've got to applaud them. We've got a lift up there. Even with a trans road radio, you know, open doors, Barnabas, and all these CSW, if you've got a we got to get into these sites, we got to get into them and look into ransack what they got all this wealth of information they put out there. It's free. It's there. You can donate you can sow into the ministry. But yeah, we're on. We're on pastor, the American, the American Chinese pastor lived with his family in North Carolina, made many trips to my mom visit in 16. Schools. Yeah, that he had set up since 19. Sorry, in 2014. Pastor john,

Sandra Robson: 19:07

he was about to retire when they arrested him and he was charged falsely, again, false accusation charged with human trafficking, even though he told them about these visits that he was going backwards and forwards. They said, Oh, no, he didn't. And yeah, and his son says, My father claims that the authorities were aware of the operation in my mom, and even help them cross the border on occasions. There we go. And he his hearing was behind closed doors. And it's very sad, you know, I'm sure they did this on purpose. They only let his 83 year old mother and a sister come along with the lawyer to hear the verdict. At three years old to know her son was going to prison. That was last time she saw him. Do you know?

Reverend Ben Cooper: 19:59

Yeah. Yeah, that's not good.

Sandra Robson: 20:01

Yeah. So

Reverend Ben Cooper: 20:04

very, very heartbreaking. very heartbreaking. The open doors ministry do so well. But as you start to dive into the persecuted church, the suffering church, you will, who does really pull it dirty does pull on your on your heart. And you do need to just keep praying, God's strength for me, as I read as I hear these atrocities, as I hear these very powerful stories. And as we explore all this, we pray that as you listen, God will give you the encouragement and the strength to keep praying, and to keep listening to keep reading, you know, because of the cut that only is 83 year old mother. And his sister went along with the lawyer to hear the verdict. And then it's the only ones who only once it was

Sandra Robson: 20:46

wife's American, and she was their two sons, Ben and Amos. So they weren't even there. They weren't they weren't in America on the other side has gone on this trip.

Unknown: 20:59

Yeah. And that's the last station of him. Yeah. Please, Lord, pray

Sandra Robson: 21:03

for him. Yeah, halfway through the sentence. And then we have this guy. Zang, who we know quite a bit about through other sources, what, but again, it gives a bit more background to what what was going on. So he was to do with the three self churches, we taught that they were getting also starting to get persecution if they weren't following the party line, and so on 12 years in prison in China, and he was detained on November the 15th 2013. He was charged with a crap crowd to disrupt public order and fraud. And he was convicted of both now I didn't know what this fraud business was. But now he explains, basically, he was helping one of his

Reverend Ben Cooper: 21:59

congregation, you know, congregation, yes.

Sandra Robson: 22:02

Because her son had been killed in a work related accident, and he was helping her to get constant compensation. But what they allege was that he took some of that money. Now, it could be that she gave an offering or something we don't know. But anyway, they've made it out that way. But the thing is, they arrested her, and they detained her. She was at his house. And they came after her. And then that's how it all started. But as we know, there was this issue over the land. And so it says, but I didn't know that. So that was a bit more information. These already drawn up plans to erect a new church building Bible school and ministry center on the land, but local government officials wanted to seize the plot, and sell it to a property developer at a huge profit,

Reverend Ben Cooper: 22:51

huge profit. So

Sandra Robson: 22:53

that's really what it was about

Reverend Ben Cooper: 22:55

how sad how sad and just just want to skip ahead of Sondra and on these profiles as well at the bottom you can you can send a card. Yes, I think that's really, really great. I think that's really good. So he's got the information. So if you just click in to these different prisoners, it's a very straightforward, easy navigation of the science, he just click into the prisoners, you're done. You go into all their profiles. And as I'm just bypassing a lot, listen, Sandra is reading. And you look at this guy here even go to this guy that's in a trailer. He's, he's been imprisoned indefinitely. Yeah. Oh, my goodness, when you look, start looking at their profile, then you get the ones that have been released. So it's really, really important that we do get onto this site, you know, and to support this site support the work of all these great, powerful things that they're doing. But it's it's a real eye opener. It's a real eye opener, Sandra, where we off to now.

Sandra Robson: 23:52

Okay, so we're going back to Pakistan. Yeah. And we're looking at the blasphemy law. Yeah. So those we've said, there's 22, as far as they know, that are on death row at this time. And we know that was a massive, you know, groundswell when a say a baby was acquitted. And, you know, the Muslims really came were up in arms about that the extremists and they, they went into the street, and there's been so there's been a lot of pressure on judges and things. But as I'm going to show, there is a glimmer of hope. In this, although it is very, very, very difficult because it's become so ingrained. And Muslims know about this penal code. And they know that they only have to say that somebody has said something against Mohammed and immediately Yeah, that person is, you know, not well, they're just put in prison. Basically. And then it takes a long time for anything to be done. And even if it's done, then they may also decide to kill that person afterwards to see justice done as far as they're concerned. So there's a Christian efis pad, perv. pervious. So that's a s IF and then pervious is p are the A i Zed. He's 37 year old, and he's a father of four and he was less. He was last year received the death sentence in Pakistan for allegedly sending blasphemous text messages to a Muslim colleague in 2013. After spending seven years in jail, fighting his case, as it was fine, they sentenced last September. So that's how long it takes a long time. Yeah, seven years. So seven years

Reverend Ben Cooper: 25:57

just to get to the sentence in.

Sandra Robson: 26:01

In October 2013, after his former supervisor at a garment factory, studied, Ahmed accused him of sending blasphemous text messages from his cell phone. Um, so that that was what it was all about.

Unknown: 26:23

And

Sandra Robson: 26:27

I'm just reading. Yeah. He said he had lost his SIM card some days before the alleged incident. Malik argit argued that kotar the guy that was accused him had used the SIM card to send Dr. gritty text messages to his own mobile phone. Oh, okay.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 26:51

So to set up Yeah.

Sandra Robson: 26:54

And the lawyer said, although I am greatly disappointed by the ruling in this case, one cannot ignore the fact that it has become a norm of trial court judges hearing blasphemy cases to convict the accused no matter how weak the prosecution prosecution case is. The worst thing in blasphemy cases is that the accused are left to rot in jail for years till their innocence is finally approved. Release partner was in visited Asif in Lahore district jail shortly after his conviction to encourage him and pray with him. After that, he was moved to Salah bad about 100 miles from the hall, which has been more difficult because his wife Marilyn, can't visit him is too far. Yeah, sure. man told me after a visit in February that assets needed glasses because he is always reading his Bible in prison. And that he is now read the Bible nine times. She says he is quite optimistic.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 28:10

Yeah, nine times. There we go. Even though he's locked down he's able to breed the Word of God incomplete lot there that is that is a lockdown. There's a serious lockdown. So we got to we got to pray for these prisoners. We got to lift them up before the Lord is important in Pakistan, rest of the world Eritrea, you know, China, North Korea, all the different places that we look at. It's really important that we lift out our brothers and sisters that are really they're in a serious lockdown. They're in they're in a the word mean such such a difference to us here in within the UK, to a persecuted believer, a lockdown. They are really locked down tight and beyond human understanding. And we lift them up before our Lord. Okay, sounder where else we're going?

Sandra Robson: 28:57

Yeah, well, there's quite a few. Yeah. Families and you know, in in Pakistan, and because some of the their families have been attacked as well. And you know, and they're suffering trauma. The wife was badly beaten, and now that's affecting her being able to go and visit her husband. So just being aware of that, but then I read this in Barnabas in May, June 2012. And pray that this goes a bit a bit further. And this is that Imran Khan, the Prime Minister of Pakistan, former cricketer Yeah, yeah, he was appointed a new inter religious aide. And this guy is looking at the abuse of the blasphemy law. says that he has recognized that there needs to be a restraint on the abuse of blasphemy law and protect all victims of folk false accusation, as well as Christians and other religious minorities from forced marriage to Muslims and forced conversions. After his appointment the new this guy is Rafi affirmed that's the name of the Yes. aid, affirmed that minorities living in Pakistan are not second class citizens and guaranteed that they will be protected under the rights and privileges extraordinary enshrined in the Constitution of Pakistan. Christians are often despised by majority Muslim population and referred to as sweepers or shahara as a term of derision. And most are confined to low paid menial jobs such as street sweeping, so that's why they're called sweepers. And latrine. Cleaning.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 31:14

Okay, so under this information coming from Barnabas, yes, so that's their local, sorry, that's their month, monthly bi monthly information pack

Sandra Robson: 31:24

is is very recent, a recent one, I mean, it happened last year, but it's just, it's now coming in the lines

Reverend Ben Cooper: 31:33

coming up a bit more.

Sandra Robson: 31:35

So, and they're just keeping a watch on it to see if it's actually starting to work. Okay.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 31:41

So that's in Barnabas.

Sandra Robson: 31:43

Yeah. And it says that he set up a grievance helpline to resolve complaints of false blasphemy accusations or any threats made on religious grounds. So now the the thing is for those workers for Barnabas and other workers to make the

Reverend Ben Cooper: 32:05

proper complaint to go down

Sandra Robson: 32:07

a road. Yeah, because a lot of these people, as we say they are in brick kilns and things, they don't hear these, they don't know what their rights are, and whether it's anything's being set up, or you know, to mean. So the, there's could still be a bit of a disconnect. So pray that what is being put in place will now start to be used, and people won't be afraid to use it. Thank God for him. Ryan can be some sort of an infinity. Yeah. You know, that safe?

Reverend Ben Cooper: 32:36

Yeah, there's a safe space. So

Sandra Robson: 32:39

pray for this. Because, you know, as I say, I look through these things, and then I come across something, I think that's quite important that very important, yeah, that hasn't been mentioned, in many places. But I really think that is an answer to prayer beginning that this guy has said, they're not second class citizens, and you need to remind them and say, Look, yeah, but it's gonna take the right time and reeducate,

Reverend Ben Cooper: 33:03

it's gonna take a lot of people, as well take a lot of people to get onto it, to deal with it, to fill the form in to make the call to do whatever you they've got to do. But as that builds up, their their cases will get stronger. It's a start, it's a progress. It's a start. And the authorities don't want that. Do they know that they don't want that they want to be able to control people? Yeah, but the more people get into a petition, the more they sign, the more they get into it, they realize what they can do, and what is out there for them. And all this comes into the light. Yes, you know, exposure.

Sandra Robson: 33:37

And I do feel, you know, we said about the thing with the CRB and how it went to the top.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 33:42

Yeah,

Sandra Robson: 33:43

I do feel this is a seed of it. I do feel that because, you know, we were disappointed me thought Lord, you know, should have been thrown out, why do you have to go further? And then we said, okay, maybe it's gonna go further, for other reason, up to the top, you know, and I think because it did go up to the top and the way that, you know, the world, yes, the world is now had to act.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 34:05

And I think that's what's happening a lot in the world, just generally. I think that where we, where we sit spiritually in this nation, and what's happening around the world, is everything has been highlighted at the higher level. Yeah, it's exposure. Yeah, we think there's a certain amount of exposure going on.

Sandra Robson: 34:24

And we do pray, you know, this is I mean, we prayed a lot, you know, while everybody was praying, and that is what you know, God's acting on and then it comes through in because he controls the poll, you know, the those leaders he's, he's in amongst it all, you know, we don't it's amazing how it happens. We know in the Bible, how he's used Cyrus's and people like this. And, you know, he will use these people. And and we pray that he, you know, uphold justice and these people who are bringing these false accusations will be Seen, you know that they won't be able to do any more. And there will be some sort of penalty for them. Yeah, yeah, just stop them doing that. And we thank God that this Christian couple of being freed from death row in Pakistan. So show show goofer, half on has Sora. I pray that saying this correctly, and her husband and manual, they were sentenced to death in 2014. And the case through international condoms nation from Pakistan is controversial about the law. And the European Union parliament, for example, was concerned that the evidence against the couple was deeply flawed. And the parliament also noted an alarming increase in the use, right again, as I say that I brought that up because I say these two things like a connected that saying, hey,

Reverend Ben Cooper: 36:02

very, very, very

Sandra Robson: 36:04

thankful that they have been acquitted and, but also pray for their protection. They are now somewhere to keep them sacred.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 36:15

Sandra, that's right. That's a lovely article. Can we just have the spelling of that name? Could you spell that out?

Sandra Robson: 36:20

And s? h. AGUFCA? Yeah, it's the first name. Yeah. And then it's k A u? s. A r? That's the extra lady's name. Yeah. And then husband is Chef ca. And that's s HAFQA. t at any manual is a manual.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 36:53

Yeah, in manual. There we go. It's, it's, it's really important. You know that we chase these we chase this up, we have a look at these articles. So thank you, Sandra, for bringing that one, their husband and wife and that there are a couple. Yeah, that I've got a break for.

Sandra Robson: 37:09

And that was for sending glassmakers text messages to a locally man but they were illiterate.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 37:15

Yeah, come on. Come on, Sandra. We only go six minutes. Oh, no. Yeah, really

Unknown: 37:26

have to finish with the Indian Come on, we can always we carry this on. So much information.

Sandra Robson: 37:32

I know. Just be aware that the open door campaign it has started, please look on my website. And there are some videos they would like you to share of what's going on with Christians. So this is footage that is being posted by the group of religious Hindu extremists and open doors through a partner have got it. And they have put it out so that Christians can see what is being passed around using the internet and saying, Please pray for these situations. This is the truth. This is what really happened. This is raw footage. Somebody was there. They took pictures of this for the wrong reasons, we want to put it out to show that what is going on. Right. So that's what's happening this month. So there are videos being put out by open doors, and they also wanted us to again get in touch with MPs and people in in Parliament. So please look at that as really, really important. And praise God, I did get a reply from my MP and 32 pillows, Dude, look at go to the zoom meeting. And Firstly, yeah, part of looking at that report about destructive lies. Good. And this really, really important, very encouraging. There is a lot going on there. So thank the Lord for that. Praise God. Yeah. And, you know, we as we say, we're here in Galatians, finished with Galatians six, two.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 39:17

So Galatians chapter six, verse two, as we bring us to a fresh and Sandra's reading. From the ni vi you're in Sandra.

Sandra Robson: 39:25

From New King James King

Reverend Ben Cooper: 39:27

James, there we go. So I had it already. Galatians chapter six. Yeah, from verse to

Sandra Robson: 39:36

bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. For if anyone thinks himself to be something then he is nothing he deceives himself. So we are to bear one another's burdens and care for one another. Yeah. And so this is what we do in praying. We are bearing the burdens, but we don't bear them. We bring them together. Christ, amen. He Burslem for us. So we lift up our brothers and sisters in prayer. Because we know that is the way that things change. We've seen that. And we continue to see that and we are encouraged. And we pray, Lord, that more and more things will happen and more prisoners will be released and more pressure will be brought to bear as people get to know what's really going on. Amen. And I just say, Thank You, Lord for this opportunity, because I met a woman while I was working in the school. And I was speaking to her and she had no idea. She said, Is that true? So it's the past that was happening with the church? Is it being persecuted? And I was like, for me, I was like, Oh, my goodness. Yeah. But I thought, Well, yeah, you know, and she, she, she's a part of it. She goes to a Catholic church. And she said, she had no idea that these things were going on. She She said she'd heard that, you know, there was some things, but she thought that it had to stopped. And I said, No, no, no, increase it. I was also able to tell her about amazing stories. encouragement behind the doors.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 41:14

Yeah, literally behind the open door. Yeah. fantastic story.

Sandra Robson: 41:18

I pray that she will take that back to her great her church really good. Yeah. And yeah, so really nice. As I say, we really need to get this out to people what's going on, and the amazing work that God's doing to me thank the Lord for everything he's doing. We lift up our brothers and sisters in these dire situations, Lord, we know you are the only help for them and their comfort and their strength. And we just thank you that we can be a part of this, too, as we bring up their burdens to you. Amen.

Reverend Ben Cooper: 41:50

Thank you so much. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Sandra. We really appreciate you coming back and we've all this information. And I'm so sorry that the 45 minutes have just skipped along so fast. But this is what always always happening to us when we get so stuck in when we go right deep. You know, we think we're going to travel a bit further. Well, we find that we don't actually but by all means please go on to Barnabas go on to a release international Transworld radio, listen to what they've got on on the airwaves and tune in as well to what they have and the information is out there online use a few clicks and you will find all this sort of stuff. Just coming back to the prisoners of faith just type that in prisoners of faith and bank straightaway it comes up you've got in front of your you got it on your your gadgets you got into computers, you got it on your phones, you've got it there to download, to read to print off, to do whatever you need to do but Pray, pray and pray and continue to pray for our brothers and sisters that are incarcerated for the gospel of Jesus Christ. We thank you so much for listening to Sondra, today and myself, Reverend Ben Cooper, we will catch you God Willing next week. Please we ask you to share out this. These podcasts on the persecuted church, the suffering church, as Sandra's just brought to the table that very interesting story. I didn't know this was going on. So please, can we ask church members, our brothers, our sisters that listen to this, to share this to give this to pastors to give this to leaders and to get this information out, but it is on line open doors, Barnabas Transworld radio CSW. It is all there for the taking. Have a great day. Stay safe. Stay in the Word of God. God bless every one of you. And thank you so much for sharing these podcasts. You can find us on all these platforms. Have a great day in the mighty name of Jesus Christ. God bless