Hello and welcome to Elim church swanley, you're doing it myself, Reverend Ben Cooper for today's podcast. We're in Good afternoon podcats. Good morning. Good evening, wherever you are. The pod woofers are in the house.
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Leya:Jim men Ben some Cooper You caught me off guard. Because I had a word that was coming through my mind this word was coming through my mind. And it was wherever you are, wherever you are, whatever you're doing, wherever your walk of life is, whatever your whatever you're doing. God loves you. Beautiful person. And it just came into my mind. And I have to say, I'm sorry.
Reverend Ben Cooper:You gotta say God loves you. We got to emphasize that, you know, we often joke on the little intro, but God loves you wherever you are
Leya:really strong, I had to say,
Reverend Ben Cooper:yeah, God, God is speaking.
Leya:Whatever you are,
Reverend Ben Cooper:wherever Jesus Christ loves you. Yes, do not give up. Do not give up. You know, you might be facing trials and tribulations and everything that he's not looking good at the moment. But Jesus loves you never give up be faithful to the Word of God. We're interestingly. We have a really beautiful word. And it's a word that certain areas of leadership don't seem to use and the word truth,
Leya:a truth. Because this come to me. Just the word came into my heart today truth. And it's like God said, our, you know, Moses said, Who shall I say sent me? And he said, I just say I am.
Reverend Ben Cooper:I am.
Leya:I am. But Jesus said, I am the way the truth. Now I am the I Am the truth.
Reverend Ben Cooper:I am the truth.
Leya:I am the Way and the Truth and the Life.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah. He says that in john 14 6
Leya:a beautiful extention of what God originally said I am I am the Great I Am.
Reverend Ben Cooper:That's right. Yeah. JOHN 14, verse six of the ESV. So he says, Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me,
Leya:except through him
Reverend Ben Cooper:through the King of glory. The truth
Leya:nobody else can twist the words nobody do anything. Nobody else can send you up any other garden path because the only garden path, a lamp at your feet should be Jesus.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Oh my gosh, john Seventeen, verse 17, says, Sanctify them in the truth. Your word is true. For now we clearly understand that Jesus Christ is the authority in this nation in this world, even though there has been locked down even though there's been trouble, he is still the authority. He is the truth. JOHN for verse 24, says, God is spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth.
Leya:What do we remember to say to me the truth, the truth? Yeah. Is God is love. Okay, so the truth?
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah. So the Bible, the whole tree? Yeah.
Leya:Yeah. Simple as that.
Reverend Ben Cooper:So john 17, verse 17, says, Sanctify them in the truth. What is the truth, Lord, Your word is the truth. So the word is true. God is the word, the word is gone. God, Jesus loves that lie loves that. So we find that find ourselves that if we are in the truth, we are in God. God is with us. The power Holy Spirit is with us. The glory of God is with us. The anointing is with us when you dive into the truth. I do believe if you are hungry for Christ right now, and you are really seeking Him and really looking for him. And I'm really hungry. And Phil, actually at a point of almost despair, and you're looking for truth. What you will find is that this world is starting to irritate more and starting you're starting to see that the world is actually lying to you. You'll find certain departments of the elite, they aren't they are making roles up that are not really roles, but they're just fitting for what they want. And if I've it's
Leya:definitely hiding the truth behind the Olympics at the moment. There is a lot of truth hiding.
Reverend Ben Cooper:So when we think about truth, this word is a very, very important word that Leya has brought to the table truth. What does it mean? It means without any error without its fact. It is true, what I say is true. So when Christ says you will know the truth, so I know him and the truth will set you free. See, the power of the Holy Spirit will set you free. You might be feeling that you're being lied. So you might be feeling that the government has let you down at the world have let you down that, that laws have been given out for for certain people, certain cultures and you feel that you're being lied to Jesus is the way he says in john 14, verse six, Jesus said to him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me. Sunlight has bought this really interesting word, very small word, but a very powerful word. And I do believe that we are not hearing a lot of truth, you're not hearing the nation. Now, rows are being bent, you know, even with the Olympics with certain avenues of certain things that are going on. And this person has slipped into this category that one slipped into that. He said that she said that they said that and you know, the whole world is just confusing
Leya:to me. It was about the smokescreen, they use the smokescreen of the Olympics to hide the fact that a great leader will Pharaoh, our blonde Pharaoh, bombshell decided not to isolate when he told the rest of the world that they had to
Reverend Ben Cooper:do you know what I mean? It's just see is one for one one for the other? Yeah, none for us.
Leya:Exactly.
Reverend Ben Cooper:everything for them
Leya:is he is he is a faricy. And a fagecy
Reverend Ben Cooper:is interesting, isn't it? How we do pray? Believe it or not, we do pray for Christian politicians, because there are Christian politicians that are
Leya:faithful politicians. We pray for everybody.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah. But when you are in the church, but when you're a Christian politician, it must be so difficult because when you look at the world of politics, it's all shall we say this? Shall we say that? We say that? And then we'll retract this, and then we swap it for that. Exactly. And I say that, but so as a Christian in Parliament, you must know that you're there because God has put you there? Because would it be wrong of me to say the Houses of Parliament is full of slippery tongues?
Leya:Yes.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Do you know what I mean? You can't. all humanity wants I believe is literally Tell me the truth. Yeah. What way are we going?
Leya:That's why donald trump became successful in America, because although the truth he was telling wasn't the truth. It was his truth. Who saw it as a semblance of truth? Yeah. And it was, it was devoid of political sophistication. And that's why people liked him. Turns out, he was a bigger earner, or delegate, we started to put my gloves on. But that's what people want. They want truth at the moment, and they're not receiving the truth. No. And as a nation, we're not receiving the truth and we will live if we were living in the truth, then we wouldn't be in the situation that we are in. Yeah,
Reverend Ben Cooper:we also see it in religion I don't my religion is bent the same way. Do you know I mean, it bends in Palm tree, and
Leya:like a palm tree,
Reverend Ben Cooper:like a palm tree? Yeah, it just it just, it just bends and but the truth. So what is the truth? What can we rely on? We can only rely on the Word of God because He says, I am the same yesterday, today and forevermore. So whatever Christ says, you know, but even even if you take creation, there are so many people out there that will go How can you believe that? God said, Let there be and there was? I believe so. Because I believe it's the truth for me. Yeah, it fits with me. But I don't have any, any doubt. I don't have any doubt. God just said, Let there be and there was and there was an aka everything just came into being. But I think if you are in faith, in faith of the God of Israel, and you are really leaning into him, and you are, yeah, and you'll be shaken right now at this moment, like we all are, and you seek Him, but I also believe that God is is shaking us to reveal the truth and to show us that the world is full of lies. Yeah, he's lying. It's that is that Lucifer switches on the world is it is in that so truth is really important. So when you've got denominations not telling you the truth, when you've got certain ministry is not telling you the truth. It's very difficult for a believer because you might have put all your weight into a denomination. And then suddenly, it's lent the wrong way. And you think, hang on a minute. What's going on? So I believe, I believe believers are really being stretched now. I believe so. I, I am being stretched beyond.
Leya:i think everybody is the moment. I think we're all being stretched. I think there's a I was speaking to somebody the other day, I was speaking to lemon drizzle, girl. Yeah, no, we haven't spoken about lemon drizzle girl for a long time.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Come on, girl.
Leya:And we believe that we're in look. I don't want to like anyone that's got real PTSD, but the world is in a bit of a PTSD situation at the moment. Then, in that we've had all this time on our own. Yeah, that all this time where we've got got to understand our truth. Yeah. Which has been quite comfortable with who I am. Yeah, I'm comfortable being kinder to the people around me. I'm giving time to the people around me.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yes, yeah.
Leya:On the things that are really important. And then all of a sudden the world has, we've had Freedom Day and other untruth.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah.
Leya:And the world has opened up, and suddenly, we will be in stretched again, talked into all these different ways and having to bend ourselves into different angles.
Reverend Ben Cooper:its tiring.
Leya:Yeah. And it's like, almost like we will live in a lie. We found the truth. Yeah. In the two years. Yes. And now we're having to go back to live in the lie again. I'm okay. Yeah, I'm going back.
Reverend Ben Cooper:I feel like
Leya:that's where we are at the moment. but want to concentrate on the idea of the truth being Christ and the truth being our salvation, and the truth being the love of Christ that he pours upon us. And that purity of that feeling that purity of
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah,
Leya:him being our salvation, and him being our guide. And him being the truth, the
Reverend Ben Cooper:way I am the way I usually look at them three areas that he speaks about very clearly there. He says, I am the way, right. Number one, and the truth two, and the life three things that go together. If I follow him, I will automatically get to truth. And then the third thing I will fall into life
Leya:in Ephesians 415. Was that what you're saying? It says speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head into Christ. So again, it's about following that truth. And the truth is Christ. Yeah. And and in Corinthians, I love a bit of Corinthians. It says that love rejoices in truth does. Yeah, I'm paraphrasing. I'm paraphrasing.
Reverend Ben Cooper:But one Corinthians chapter 13, verses four to six for your reference. If Yeah, ephesians 415.
Leya:I appreciate that. Yeah, I have to apologize. I'm a little bit tired. And I've got a bit. I'm sorry, I'm a bit slurry. So but yeah, is that rejoicing in truth, rejoicing in what being the watch isness the way rejoicing in the freedom that we find in Christ and I feel that's what happened when I realized that I was loved, for who I was, for everything that I am. And I think maybe that's what happened at the head of this. Yes, definitely headed this is about the positivity of those words. It's about the positivity of finding that truth. The truth is i'm loved you are loved and that everybody can seek and gain redemption.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah, we're redeemed
Leya:everybody has is in God's hand.
Reverend Ben Cooper:We are redeemed
Leya:and the way that we get through God into God's hands, is through Jesus. I am the way no one goes to Jesus. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Praise the Lord
Leya:and the way with Jesus. I mean, Jesus wasn't reading from the Bible.
Reverend Ben Cooper:No, it's amazing. He says
Leya:the word
Reverend Ben Cooper:he is the word
Leya:Jesus The way that Jesus lived his life was an example to us. So it's not about the word even about the words of the Bible. It's about which have gone through man. Yeah. They have gone through man, they've been siphoned through man. Words, it's about the way that he lived. And the way that he lived, in my opinion, was with absolute patients. absolute love. Absolute sincerity. Kindness, yes. Yeah, absolute acceptance of everybody and everything around him think about the way that he treated Mary Magdalene, and the sinner lady at the stone in Yeah,
Reverend Ben Cooper:the way that he treated everybody with love, compassion, and truth and passion and true because he told them the truth. When the Sumerian lady come up to the well, he said, how are you, she went yeah not too bad. He went as your husband's would you mean, you've been married five times. But he didn't judge her for that
Leya:he didn't judge her
Reverend Ben Cooper:But he spoke the truth. He did. And you can speak the truth. And when you speak the truth, the truth gives you what it gives you solid direction
Leya:gives you some direction and it allows people to trust you.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah.
Leya:And when they trust you, and they see that you're working for God. Yeah. And you're working and trying to live in the way of Jesus suddenly, they dont want to laugh at you anymore. No, so we don't want to. They don't want to doubt what you're saying. Because you've got conviction and integrity in yourself.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Amen. Praise the Lord.
Leya:thats The line that we draw.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah. Oh, come on, your going really deep
Leya:feel like a preacher lady.
Reverend Ben Cooper:yeah you are. You are a preacher lady
Leya:lets talk about chocolate now.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Come on. Lemon drizzle. Psalm 86 verse 11 Teach me your way. Teach me so this is this is important for me that that Christ teaches me his way. Why do I want him to teach me his way? One because I'm hungry for him to because he redeemed me threes because he saved me for is I've got nowhere else to go. Yeah, sorry it has to be Jesus because what will he give me? Truth. So when you look at Psalm 86, verse 11, teach me your way. So when he teaches me your way, then we say we are but that's what preachers and know preachers and teachers are just vessels being used. The Scripture says, In the Gospel of john, you do not need man to teach you the Holy Spirit reveals the truth to you love that. So, so it's not it's not the Christ doesn't need me. He doesn't need any Billy Graham's he doesn't need any preachers don't need a liar. He doesn't need any of us to get his word over. Because the Holy Spirit speaks to us. Yeah, it's there the word because greater is in me, greater is in me than he that is in the world. So in the Psalm, Psalm 86, verse 11, it says, teach me Your ways. Who's he talking to? Is he is he talking to a Billy Graham? Is he talking to an evangelist? Who is this? Who is this man talking to? He's talking to Christ? You need to teach me Your ways. Now, what's interesting, when the psalmist was was declaring this, there was no New Testament. Exactly. So there was no word but there is word because God it so we understand there was no fabric of pages, there was no, there was no text to reference from. So David is saying, teach me Your ways he's in a true relationship with the Lord is just teach me Your ways, oh, Lord, that I may walk in truth.
Leya:Yeah.
Reverend Ben Cooper:So when God teaches us when his word teaches us, we will walk in truth. It says, unify a unit, untie my heart, from fear unto you. So it's really critical for me as a believer to, to really be in the Lord Jesus Christ I, if I if I want to know the truth, I have to stay in that word. If I stay in that word, he will, He will draw me he will, he will bring me john john 831 32, for anyone's reference. So Jesus said to the Jews, who had believed in him, if you abide in my word, if you abide in my word, and you truly are my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. I've got to abide in it. I think even live in it, that word abide that lower is just, I've got a live I've got to live to abide to be in. I've got a live in it. If I live if you live in my Word, and the Word became flesh and mind is dwelling. So I live in Jesus, when I live in Jesus, I'm in the word when I'm in the word. I'm a disciple. When I'm a disciple, I'm in truth. But it doesn't mean to say that I won't have any challenges come my way. Of course.
Leya:It's interesting though, that the first scripture that we read about at the beginning, it's no one comes to the Father except through me. Doesn't say no. Like we were just saying that the New Testament didn't exist. It doesn't say there. No one comes to the Father except through the Bible, and comes to the Father except through this book. Yeah, no one comes to the Father except through the pastor is about Jesus is always about Jesus. It's not about the words that were written down by men put into a bookmark. Do you know I mean, it's not the Bible, I think is a beautiful book. Yeah. I'm saying no, no.
Reverend Ben Cooper:what you're saying?
Leya:you know what I'm saying
Reverend Ben Cooper:but you know, that didn't exist when he was saying that.
Leya:Exactly.
Reverend Ben Cooper:So. So it is all about Jesus
Leya:all about Jesus.
Reverend Ben Cooper:three was no Ministry,
Leya:interpretation of the word. It's not about an interpretation of that don't mean the word is in God. The word is in the Bible. I mean, it's about Jesus, the man and Jesus, the Son of God, and Jesus is God. It's about the heart, the Trinity a power no one comes to the Father except through him. He is the father.
Reverend Ben Cooper:sugar rush, john 14, verse six, we're just gonna, we're just gonna sit in this a while. And Jesus said to him, I am now I love the way Christ presents that because as I said earlier in the scripture said, What did God say to Moses, listen, moses, son, don't worry about that. Just tell him I am. So. So Christ emphasizes this. The I Am is a very powerful part of the text. He says, I am the why. Yeah, who send in Who? Moses said, who's sending me into them that nutty place? I am I if you said that Someone that didn't Yeah. Oh, this I am they go What are you talking about? We're going on? who do you think you are? I am? I am. Yeah. But there is something powerful when others later don't even need to say this, but I'm gonna say it. When God speaks, whatever he says it's it is a given. I am the Way three areas. So if I'm lost, he is my way.
Leya:Oh yeah,
Reverend Ben Cooper:if I'm lost in lies for the elite and for the system in the world. He's my truth.
Leya:Yeah, he's way out.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah, if I'm lost if I'm can't find life, he is my life. Yeah. There's that. Thank you, Jesus. And then another scripture I think off the top of my head, you'll have to check the reference. Psalm 119, verse 115, your word is a lamp unto my feet a light for my path.
Leya:See I love that.
Reverend Ben Cooper:You know your word. So we understand that the word is truth. The word is gone. The word is Christ. The word is the way. So your word is a lamp unto my feet
Leya:I like that one as well. That's a good song. I like that one.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Oh, yeah, singing it was singing, its in our heads, its in our heads.
Leya:thing is you can't hide from the truth. You can do whatever you like you can you can run around and tell lies or you can try and hide from it. You can hide behind like trees and like a big building and a rock and maybe hide in your own like I'm doing other things. I'm having fun. I'm out there in it. But eventually the truth is gonna find you.
Reverend Ben Cooper:It will
Leya:the truth is going to set you free.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah, you can't run from the truth. Psalm 25 verse four, lead me in your truth, and teach me for you are the God of my salvation. for you I wait all day long. There's a lot packed up in that
Leya:there is
Reverend Ben Cooper:in Psalm 25, verse five, lead me into your truth is always about Christ. And Christ will take you to the Father, as scripture centers led referenced quite a few times. No one can get to the Father except through me. There is no access to the God of Israel, except through Christ Jesus. What does Christ give us? It gives us hope. It gives us truth. It gives us freedom. James, chapter one, verse 18. For his own world, he brought us forth by the word of truth.
Leya:Truth,
Reverend Ben Cooper:truth. It's true.
Leya:Psalm 51, six in the ESV says, Behold, you delight in truth in the end would be in a new Teach me wisdom in the secret heart. Well, and that really is the thing isn't it? Is your heart is your conscience, sometimes the truth more than any other words you can ever see?
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah, that's right. You delight in the truth in the inward being. And you teach me wisdom in this. It's all about him. It comes back to point in, if you could have a point a finger at Jesus and I don't want to do that.
Leya:i dont want to do it. But I do. My hand.
Reverend Ben Cooper:He costs
Leya:a hand up in front of it. What is mimen? putting my hand up in front of my pointy finger and will look the other way is over there.
Reverend Ben Cooper:It's over there.
Leya:No. Yeah. And but yeah, isn't that thing about that was the one about the tablets of the heart. So Behold, your true behold, behold, you delight in truth in the end would be in and you teach me wisdom in the secret heart, but then it isn't there also. So a lady me and a lady were talking in church after Bible study one time, and she was talking about how the words should be written upon the tablet of your heart
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yes, scripture. I'm trying to think what Scripture is, yeah. And put the word of truth on the tablet. Oh, yeah. Jesus. I cannot imagine playing that game. And someone asked you a question. A Bible question. Yeah. Hang on. I'm just I'm just gonna ring my dad. I'm just gonna ring the word you're gonna bring your dad on. Okay. Yeah. Imagine that. God, come on.
Leya:God, we got 30 seconds. Well, now it's 25. God. Is it a B?
Reverend Ben Cooper:Is it father, son or Holy Spirit.
Leya:Is it be a duck? See, two by two? Or is it D? The way Oh, the way. i dont know why i made him speak like that
Reverend Ben Cooper:Why did we think he speaks like that
Leya:I don't know. But it's in my heart. So it must be the truth. It's why I'm saying
Reverend Ben Cooper:oh gosh, there we go.
Leya:Yeah. That idea of like, there being a conscious a conscience when you speak through your heart and that that's the truth because we all have that conscience. We all have people telling us different things and we all have people telling us their truth. Yeah, but way, but but there is a conscience within us that speaks of a truth that is for
Reverend Ben Cooper:us. So you've got all these errors or words going in? Yeah, you're all this stuff going in? And how do you work out what is true and what is not? And what is freedom and what is not. So what you're saying is that area, I would say, your soul, your innermost being,
Leya:he knows what's right
Reverend Ben Cooper:is sifting? What is what is not not right. And, you know, in your innermost being anything, hang on a minute,
Leya:and we've had that. I mean, I've had that a mind that since I was little, you probably had the same thing. You know what's right and wrong, and you know, your mom really to tell you what was right and wrong. Because we live in a world where there's all this static and white noise all around us all the time. This is right, this is wrong by that, by that now this person says that no, that this politician says that vote for me. Watch this. Well, I listen to that. And then your heart goes, No, no stop.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Really stop. But the speed it works out as well. Even as they're they're speaking. You've got the answer already. Yeah. The body is amazing. Yeah. The psychological is the the way the brain works the way that the chemistry everything that works but greater than, than the way your facility. Philosophy. i'm tired. I'm sorry. Your knowledge is your understanding. Is your logic. far above all that, that spiritual you can work things out without an education? Yeah. So you don't need to be educated to work out. Hang on a minute. them little further telling me a polki. Yeah, exactly. So you can't? You can't?
Leya:It feels good to be kind.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah, you can't teach that feeling that you have inside. Could you say morals? Could you could you have, say a year? God? God? Yeah, that seed of of God, that little spark of truth. Yeah. But you know that, you know that, you know, even if they are not believers, they know when they're being spun a yarn.
Leya:And people must do that same thing that I've done in the past. I don't know, if you've gotten to where you're like, I'm dead set on doing this. I'm dead set on doing. And then the very last minute, you know, I change my mind, because in our case,
Reverend Ben Cooper:education, an academic can't teach you that, because it's already built in. Great, isn't it? It's in trinsic. It's in that it's in you it was created within you. Yeah. So there comes the question about humanism, because that's on ethics that's on understanding that that's built on. But there is something above that that is in that.
Leya:I think some humanism is based upon kindness. I do think that it's based on kindness and love.
Reverend Ben Cooper:But there's another sway to that. So sorry, for worried. But if it's kindness and love, why do they get so aggressive with believers? Exactly. So there's a side to it. So, but what I mean is you can't educate a bank, so they
Leya:get confused between believers and religion. Mm hmm. That's the difference. Yeah. And religion is very much you will do this. You don't that rules, stipulations lie on it. So and whereas if you follow Jesus, we're saying you'll be you fall in love and the truth. Yeah, that's my opinion. But that's
Reverend Ben Cooper:a belief system of the everlasting. And we don't believe in the everlasting. Who doesn't know, I'm saying that's what humans do not mine, my head. And my eyes were more. Because humans is now for now, this moment in time. Exactly. Hope is not for hope to come, but hope for now. So, when you talk about truth,
Leya:that was nice. I liked what you said there about hope that was nice.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Bob. So when you think about truth, truth, you can't teach truth. You can't teach children. But God's truth. That's, that's what that teaches you. But what I think what men are trying to get to is that you don't need to go to Oxford or or anywhere. That to get a good higher education to know that when someone is telling you something, you're a little cheeky monkey or cheeky monkey don't need a PHA trying to manipulate me there's something in your inner being. Yes, that tells you right from wrong. Yes. What's wrong? That is it right from wrong. Whether you're a believer or non believer in my prior life,
Leya:have I been able to understand why anybody would choose to ignore that feeling? So there's always been, I was pretty naive when I was younger. And I remember saying to people, I just don't understand why anybody could actively go out of their way to do wrong. Yeah, I don't understand why and I really don't like liars. I have a really big issue. We've lie you don't like it at all? And I don't understand. I mean, everyone tells a little white lie
Reverend Ben Cooper:number 10 number 10 watch it shes coming for you
Leya:I just like, loads in my life. I can't I just don't like it. Now I get really angry about it. And I have to pray for patients a lot with it. If you're going for the truth, are we talking about Jesus the truth? Don't lie. Are we going about Jesus the truth, forgive people and understand people who might tell a lie because they're afraid to tell the truth? their truth?
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah, when you got when you got a nation and coming from the top, they're telling you one thing and then change it to another
Leya:by something,
Reverend Ben Cooper:everyone's being controlled. But then as a believer, you've got to try to, to look beyond beyond all that and look over that. Go father. So that's where the power of forgiveness comes in.
Leya:Exactly. can understand other people's reasons for telling nice. I mean, maybe. Sorry, I can't come out tonight. Because I have plans with somebody else. But maybe it's they can't come out tonight because they haven't got any money. Yeah, maybe they they've had to go and do a bit of saving. Because they haven't got any photos to put on their children's plates. I'm not saying that's difficult when it's pretty stereotypical Oliver Twist situation, I'm talking.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Apologize. But we get it. I don't mean to be like, you know, I'm gonna make a break.
Leya:But do you know what I'm saying? is is that understand? Yeah, why people do things and is that the the capital T capital T truth? Yeah.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Very difficult. Isn't
Leya:it rather than truth versus lies?
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah. Yeah. So who is the father of lies? Is the devil is
Leya:about Satan. You know that
Reverend Ben Cooper:Lucifer
Leya:is a nasty The Scripture
Reverend Ben Cooper:shave that one Lucifer. Alright, you are a git, tell your agents you are all git. get behind me you git.i got jesus with me
Leya:Oh, what part of the armor is the truth?
Reverend Ben Cooper:Right, let's go through this.
Leya:Then you have armour of chocolate
Reverend Ben Cooper:shoes of cake and the breastplate of kebab. Lester is probably Ephesians chapter six, eight. And it says put on the armor of God. But on the full armor of God, the breastplate of righteousness to help your salvation, the soul of the Spirit. Your feet should be fitted with the gospel of peace and the belt of truth
Leya:belt of truth, because the belt holds everything up.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Bang.
Leya:Yeah, belt holds everything up.
Reverend Ben Cooper:most of the day long.
Leya:That's the that's the standard. You've got to hold everything up to the truth.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah. And if you're the father of lies you can't have a belt of truth, So your strides are down Lucifer.
Leya:I know. That's why where's that big black cape? Because he can't wear anything else.
Reverend Ben Cooper:We get in trouble we get into trouble. True. Jesus is the truth. Ephesians while we're in a feelings, let's bring it up. Bring it holy. Ephesians chapter four, verse 21. And it says that as the truth is in Jesus, yeah. Isn't it interesting that the truth is in Christ and Christ calls Lucifer, the father of lies. The father of lies so if you've got a nation being driven by a satanic press what they're going to use lies nice. Look at our friend look at our friend Mr. hand. I don't like using his second name. Look at Mr. Han was his name. He got caught in a cupboard.
Leya:Oh, Matt Hancock.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah, what he was what he was saying. what he was saying. He can't come visit inand at Christmas. He can't go into the hospital visit your family. But getting a cupboard we me girl. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, it's just like it's one rule. It's one it's the hypocrisy is the hypocrisy so it goes Chris a of it. So when you look at hypocrisy and lies, is the big sweetshop of staff isn't a separate thing. And then once you once you start that process,
Leya:and that starts people being angry. Yeah. And once they've got a seed of anger in their, in their heart, then they start to hate. They want to talk about Yoda. But hate leads to fear. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to get a lightsaber out killing everybody. Yeah, but that kind of principle is the same, isn't it? Because once you're lied to, you get angry. Once you get angry, you get hateful once you get hateful yearly, you can easily start wearing your shields armour of love and justice, spirit so Sort of the spirit I was going to touch you know, when I go into the pub and people say to me, are you a Christian? And I go Yeah, yeah, hes my friend. Yeah. And I think is our
Reverend Ben Cooper:are you a jesus follower
Leya:Yeah, yeah. Are you Jesus creeper Yeah, yeah. And they say actually we really respect you for that.
Reverend Ben Cooper:So it's good I inside the
Leya:stands and it was really good
Reverend Ben Cooper:Oh look at this
Leya:proverbs 16 six Have you done this one? No, no no okay proverbs 16 six ESV by steadfast love and faithfulness, inequity is atoned for and by the fear of the Lord one turns away from evil. So that's what we were saying. Yeah, you have that in your heart and you turn away from it. Yeah, you're faithful faithfulness. faithfulness is truth. Yeah, being faithful. You know, I'm
Reverend Ben Cooper:saying it's a big press. And when you when you really be still and just sit and think about things and you think about the word. Yeah, that's why God's word is so challenging because we're brought up in a society where we can say what you want when you want almost with no consequences. You can lie to one another. But when you become a born again, believer in Christ, the truth sets you free, but also the truth brings you to conviction. Truth brings it because he is the trophy is the way and he is the light. So Christ brings you to conviction. So the way that you might have lived your life through the little white library a duck in and dive in now you're going or can't do that. I can't say that anymore. No doubt boys and girl boys. Nope. They're just so fur coats. I mean, so. So when you become
Leya:not very kind, is it? It's not very kind to lie to people. It's not very kind to trick them.
Reverend Ben Cooper:But when but when you serve Lucifer, that's all you know.
Leya:Yeah, cuz you're trickery?
Reverend Ben Cooper:Because you're a trick a treator? Yeah. When you said, so. He is the father of lies. He The Scripture says, He is the father of lies, you know. And God is the way the truth and the life no one comes to him. For Christ Jesus, sorry. So I. So as a believer, you will be challenged. Because we're living in a world of phone and we live in a world that will tell you false truths. They will tell you, they will fluff it up, and they will wrap it up in a box of truth. Yeah, but when you undo it, you look at it and it's just this rubbish. And it's not
Leya:it's rubbish. They don't add up. And if you tell lies, they do have to constantly, constantly be telling lie upon lie upon lie.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Because once you start one
Leya:looking over their shoulder to make sure that the law that they've told you is holding water, because you've got to remember so much if you lie, life is so much more simple if you don't lie.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah, exactly.
Leya:So life is so much more simple. And that's that's the that's the freedom. Yeah, that you find in Jesus because you're not lying. You're living a life of truth. Yeah, living a life and faithfulness. So you're free of all those traps.
Reverend Ben Cooper:You're free. You're free. You're free from those trappings. Yeah, your freedom
Leya:your life. Oh, yeah. Skipping and jumping through life because you don't have to think oh, what did I tell that person? What did I tell this person? How do I do my stomach? Cool call you're gonna have one tonight.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Well, imagine that. Just right now. The hyper Donna place.
Leya:I can't eat the bread though. Because I'm gluten free now. Bread. chuck it over the fence. All right. You can have Robert Brown.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Oh, hello, Psalm. Psalm 119. I've got great myself backtrack when I I said Psalm 119 115. Actually, I lied. He was so bad that you take that then. I just made a mistake. There's not really a lie that I made a mistake. Yeah, it's tricky in it. If I yeah. So I said Psalm 119 115. And actually, it's a psalm 119 105. So I made a mistake. Yeah, she made a mistake. And it said the word is a lamp unto my feet. And the light for my path. It's beautiful. It is a lovely text your word?
Leya:proverbs 1219. Just to back you up. Truffaut lips endure forever. But a lie in Tommy's book for a moment. Oh, loads of fun. Come on. cheerful lips enjoy forever. Ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever,
Reverend Ben Cooper:ever. You know? There is power in the name of Jesus well mentioned.
Leya:Can I do Psalm 8510 so good. It's so good. It's so good. steadfast love and faithfulness, mate. righteousness and peace, kiss each other.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Whoa, that's beautiful. That's lovely. The Word of God is so powerful. The Word of God is freedom. Wherever you are across the world at this very moment in time if you are looking for peace, You will only find peace in Christ. If you are looking for rest you will only find rest in Christ. It is not about entering into a religious setting into a cathedral or a church or rocking up and chatting to a pastor across a cup of coffee it does help and but they will not give you salvation they can give you a pointer and praise be to God. The bishops and the leaders in the church should point you to Jesus. Okay, the last point you I am the way so that the church has to lie that brings us back full circle truth. Trove you all know the truth and the truth will set you free who is the trophy says I am the way the truth and the life no one comes to the Father except through it's interesting isn't it? He says through not with but through go through him I got a go through him. Everything is through the King of Kings everything is through Christ. Everything is with but I have to go through
Leya:is an interesting word thrown at me like like a little you know he says look, you look through the world with your rose tinted glasses but your Jesus tinted glasses.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah, I think what you got to look at the text there is in the Gospel of john it says where he says I am the door.
Leya:Ah, he smashed that one out of the park
Reverend Ben Cooper:there. pulled that bad boy out.
Leya:You did?
Reverend Ben Cooper:I am the door.
Leya:I have why I am the truth. I am the light.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah,
Leya:I'm the shepherd.
Reverend Ben Cooper:I'm the tunnel.
Leya:Yeah, I just made that up because people say don't they that when when they when they say the long dark tunnel, which is good. So it was a very bright light at the end. And usually they say that Jesus is there.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Hello.
Leya:Come on.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Come on
Leya:waiting for you.
Reverend Ben Cooper:Waiting for you. But it's a little bit hot down that way. Are you for me against me?
Leya:I'm for Yah,
Reverend Ben Cooper:come on Jesus.
Leya:Sorry. I went out a bit a bit of a tangent
Reverend Ben Cooper:we can go on a tangent. We're allowed to go on a tangent. So john 14, verse six. He says I am the way the truth. And the life no one comes to the Father, except through me. Now i love that last part of that text no one comes to. So there is a moving towards no one comes to the Father, except through me. And john, the gospel of john says, I am the door. I am the door you know, and he is the WAY and the TRUTH. He is your God He is your king, wherever you are. If you're searching, you know you're not searching because you wanted to search you're searching because he's made you hungry. You're you're hungry because he has stirred your spirit you are you are praying because he is prompting you to pray. Because the scripture says no man chooses to follow a holy God. So it is possible for all of humanity to choose him. But the power of free will now I'm born again filter the spirit it's free will but it's not really free will because he's chose me and he's pulled me in so it's just a little sugar coated word there. No, it's real freedom is real freedom.
Leya:The sun sets free
Reverend Ben Cooper:will be free indeed.
Leya:Why is the free free from lies free from
Reverend Ben Cooper:free, free, absolutely free there is freedom in Christ Jesus but Free Will the power of choice. Without I'm not gonna follow Him who actually called me. So it's like, it's like God has called me God has called you God has called everyone on the other side of this book, our voice. God is speaking to you right now even though you might have just fallen onto this podcast by complete accident and thought. I'm not gonna listen to them sandal wearers
Leya:no gonna listen to them to Swan LIFO
Reverend Ben Cooper:truth, what I want to listen to say, what they going on about? You might have landed on it, you might be just listening by pure chance, you know, God is setting you up. This is set up?
Leya:Well, that's the thing I was just about to say actually is spoken about the conscience that lives in us from the moment that we start to become sentient beings. We've got that level of conscious and what's right and what's wrong. And that's the beginning and that that's the beginning. That's the tugging at your heart. And I think different when you get older you suddenly start to think about it a little bit more and more does that mean and where's that feeling come from and before you know you've been taught for a door and your Allah Allah where many I'm a Christian?
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yes, like when they start talking about transcend or meditation and all things like that and a transcending experience. You know, God is God is drawing you. But you just might be looking at it as a different label on the tin. God is the bean in the Can of Beans.
Leya:Hes a good boy.
Reverend Ben Cooper:He's a good boy. He was a boy werent he, when you think he grew up.
Leya:What God,
Reverend Ben Cooper:yeah. Well, alright then let's just say Jesus, but you, you know the scriptures. It says, I am the father. Me and the Father are one. Yeah. But when you look at Christ, he grew up as a young lad. Yeah.
Leya:And that just must have been
Reverend Ben Cooper:Jesus, if you don't make more toast, I'm going to give you a slap.
Leya:He can't do anything wrong that Jesus
Reverend Ben Cooper:with my toast. how did he get up the stairs that fast
Leya:you wouldn't have stolen their toast. No.
Reverend Ben Cooper:That's my, Do you imagine if those at the end don't top and taill? Listen. If you don't let me get to sleep, I'm gonna turn your eyes
Leya:clean your feet jesus
Reverend Ben Cooper:Yeah, but how did he clean them, he didnt touch them
Leya:was by him for the woman to come along with a hair
Reverend Ben Cooper:do you think he ever brushed his teeth, or do you reckon he got angels to do it with their wings
Leya:Perfect Angel breath the whole time.
Reverend Ben Cooper:All my days. We gotta get out of here. This is getting balmy. Thank you so much for listening to us. You've been listening to Leya
Leya:Jane
Reverend Ben Cooper:Moore.
Leya:And Benjamin,
Reverend Ben Cooper:Reverend.
Leya:Reverend
Reverend Ben Cooper:Cooper we thank you so much for listening to us crackpots. You are lovely. And God may bless you in many, many ways. And please remember the scripture that we started on john 14, verse six. And Jesus said to him, I am the way the truth and the life no one comes to the Father, except through me. God is calling you all joking aside right now as we bring this to a close, God is calling you God is speaking to you. However you are listening to this he may stumble, you maybe have enjoyed listening to this but God God is calling you Never give up. Never give up he will give you freedom. Because you want the truth and the truth will set you free. We'll catch you next week. Have a great day. Good morning. Good afternoon. Good evening, wherever you may be on this Malteser of this earth. God loves you. And thank you for listening to us. Have a great day. God bless. Bye bye.
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