{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"ChrisMann","startTime":4.059,"endTime":8.079,"body":"So a farm, a typical dairy"},{"speaker":"ChrisMann","startTime":4.059,"endTime":8.079,"body":"farm will actually produce five to six"},{"speaker":"ChrisMann","startTime":8.079,"endTime":11.999,"body":"times more fuel than it could possibly"},{"speaker":"ChrisMann","startTime":8.079,"endTime":11.999,"body":"use in its own operations, including"},{"speaker":"ChrisMann","startTime":11.999,"endTime":15.159,"body":"running the tractor, which is a real"},{"speaker":"ChrisMann","startTime":11.999,"endTime":15.159,"body":"surprise for a lot of people, you know?"},{"speaker":"ChrisMann","startTime":15.695,"endTime":18.115,"body":"and that means that you can't"},{"speaker":"ChrisMann","startTime":15.695,"endTime":18.115,"body":"really get the best value for it."},{"speaker":"ChrisMann","startTime":18.175,"endTime":20.905,"body":"So in order to do that, 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today."},{"speaker":"ChrisMann","startTime":1941.4950000000001,"endTime":1941.7150000000001,"body":"No."},{"speaker":"ChrisMann","startTime":1941.7150000000001,"endTime":1942.355,"body":"Thank you, Tom."},{"speaker":"ChrisMann","startTime":1942.355,"endTime":1943.1950000000002,"body":"It's been a real pleasure."},{"speaker":"ChrisMann","startTime":1943.4850000000001,"endTime":1943.9950000000001,"body":"Thank you."},{"speaker":"TomRaftery","startTime":1944.255,"endTime":1945.7050000000002,"body":"Okay, we've"},{"speaker":"TomRaftery","startTime":1944.255,"endTime":1945.7050000000002,"body":"come to the end of the show."},{"speaker":"TomRaftery","startTime":1946.005,"endTime":1947.265,"body":"Thanks everyone for listening."},{"speaker":"TomRaftery","startTime":1948.005,"endTime":1951.625,"body":"If you'd like to know more about"},{"speaker":"TomRaftery","startTime":1948.005,"endTime":1951.625,"body":"climate 21, feel free to drop me 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