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Yoder","startTime":1781.4740000000002,"endTime":1781.655,"body":"This was great."},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":1783.568,"endTime":1785.308,"body":"Okay, we've"},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":1783.568,"endTime":1785.308,"body":"come to the end of the show."},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":1785.6680000000001,"endTime":1786.748,"body":"Thanks everyone for listening."},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":1787.438,"endTime":1790.978,"body":"If you'd like to know more about"},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":1787.438,"endTime":1790.978,"body":"Climate 21, feel free to drop me an"},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":1790.978,"endTime":1796.078,"body":"email to Tom dot Raftery @ sap.com or"},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":1790.978,"endTime":1796.078,"body":"connect with me on LinkedIn or Twitter."},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":1796.8880000000001,"endTime":1799.438,"body":"If you liked the show, please don't"},{"speaker":"Tom 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