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Raftery","startTime":1817.603,"endTime":1818.083,"body":"Superb."},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":1818.5030000000002,"endTime":1819.643,"body":"Hugo, that's been really interesting."},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":1819.643,"endTime":1820.873,"body":"Thanks a million for coming"},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":1819.643,"endTime":1820.873,"body":"on the podcast today."},{"speaker":"Hugo Kimber","startTime":1820.873,"endTime":1822.433,"body":"Not at all Tom."},{"speaker":"Hugo Kimber","startTime":1822.7530000000002,"endTime":1824.203,"body":"Thanks very much for having me."},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":1830.223,"endTime":1832.113,"body":"Okay, we've"},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":1830.223,"endTime":1832.113,"body":"come to the end of the show."},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":1832.803,"endTime":1833.943,"body":"Thanks everyone for listening."},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":1834.7830000000001,"endTime":1837.693,"body":"If you'd like to know 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