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topics"},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":1885.71,"endTime":1888.77,"body":"we discussed in the podcast today,"},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":1885.71,"endTime":1888.77,"body":"where would you have me direct them?"},{"speaker":"Shawn Kreloff","startTime":1889.607,"endTime":1893.467,"body":"Well, you can go to"},{"speaker":"Shawn Kreloff","startTime":1889.607,"endTime":1893.467,"body":"the company, which is bioenergydevco."},{"speaker":"Shawn Kreloff","startTime":1893.507,"endTime":1897.087,"body":"com or my LinkedIn under"},{"speaker":"Shawn Kreloff","startTime":1893.507,"endTime":1897.087,"body":"my name, Shawn Kreyloff."},{"speaker":"Shawn Kreloff","startTime":1897.487,"endTime":1900.047,"body":"I think I'm the only Shawn"},{"speaker":"Shawn Kreloff","startTime":1897.487,"endTime":1900.047,"body":"Kreyloff actually in the world."},{"speaker":"Shawn Kreloff","startTime":1901.877,"endTime":1902.017,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Shawn 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