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Laguarta","startTime":2529.319,"endTime":2535.429,"body":"So that's M I T T I space L A B"},{"speaker":"Xavi Laguarta","startTime":2529.319,"endTime":2535.429,"body":"S on LinkedIn or, you know, our"},{"speaker":"Xavi Laguarta","startTime":2535.429,"endTime":2537.379,"body":"website is, is mittilabs dot earth."},{"speaker":"Xavi Laguarta","startTime":2537.9790000000003,"endTime":2540.489,"body":"And you know, we've got our"},{"speaker":"Xavi Laguarta","startTime":2537.9790000000003,"endTime":2540.489,"body":"contact form there as well."},{"speaker":"Xavi Laguarta","startTime":2540.569,"endTime":2544.539,"body":"But yeah, Dev and I personally, you can"},{"speaker":"Xavi Laguarta","startTime":2540.569,"endTime":2544.539,"body":"definitely reach out to us and we've got"},{"speaker":"Xavi Laguarta","startTime":2544.539,"endTime":2546.649,"body":"a team that's always excited to help."},{"speaker":"Xavi Laguarta","startTime":2546.649,"endTime":2551.045,"body":"So, yeah, we can, we're, we're excited"},{"speaker":"Xavi Laguarta","startTime":2546.649,"endTime":2551.045,"body":"to speak to more folks in this space."},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":2552.329,"endTime":2553.0190000000002,"body":"Fantastic."},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":2553.0190000000002,"endTime":2553.259,"body":"Great."},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":2554.099,"endTime":2554.469,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":2554.599,"endTime":2555.919,"body":"Gents, that's been really interesting."},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":2555.989,"endTime":2557.799,"body":"Thanks a million for coming"},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":2555.989,"endTime":2557.799,"body":"on the podcast today."},{"speaker":"Dev Dalal","startTime":2558.679,"endTime":2559.239,"body":"Thank you, Tom."},{"speaker":"Xavi Laguarta","startTime":2559.2690000000002,"endTime":2559.5190000000002,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Xavi Laguarta","startTime":2559.5190000000002,"endTime":2560.2490000000003,"body":"Thank you very much, Tom."},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":2561.083,"endTime":2562.953,"body":"Okay, we've"},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":2561.083,"endTime":2562.953,"body":"come to the end of the show."},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":2563.6730000000002,"endTime":2564.783,"body":"Thanks everyone for listening."},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":2565.643,"endTime":2569.793,"body":"If you'd like to know more about the"},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":2565.643,"endTime":2569.793,"body":"Climate Confident podcast, feel free to"},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":2569.803,"endTime":2573.713,"body":"drop me an email to tomraftery at outlook."},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":2573.963,"endTime":2577.443,"body":"com or message me on LinkedIn or Twitter."},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":2578.013,"endTime":2581.753,"body":"If you like the show, please don't"},{"speaker":"Tom 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