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Gormley","startTime":3012.5190000000002,"endTime":3017.369,"body":"solutions that benefit all of us."},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":3018.302,"endTime":3019.062,"body":"Fantastic."},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":3019.512,"endTime":3023.502,"body":"Carina, if people would like to know"},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":3019.512,"endTime":3023.502,"body":"more about yourself or any of the things"},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":3023.502,"endTime":3026.512,"body":"we discussed on the podcast today,"},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":3023.502,"endTime":3026.512,"body":"where would you have me direct them?"},{"speaker":"Carina Gormley","startTime":3027.622,"endTime":3031.722,"body":"If you can go to the"},{"speaker":"Carina Gormley","startTime":3027.622,"endTime":3031.722,"body":"Center for Public Impact's webpage,"},{"speaker":"Carina Gormley","startTime":3031.742,"endTime":3035.542,"body":"that would be fantastic, and within"},{"speaker":"Carina 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access to them."},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":3050.632,"endTime":3052.062,"body":"Carina, that's been fantastic."},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":3052.062,"endTime":3053.722,"body":"Thanks a million for coming"},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":3052.062,"endTime":3053.722,"body":"on the podcast today."},{"speaker":"Carina Gormley","startTime":3054.922,"endTime":3056.052,"body":"Thank you so much, Tom."},{"speaker":"Carina Gormley","startTime":3056.052,"endTime":3057.6420000000003,"body":"This has been such a joy."},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":3058.536,"endTime":3060.406,"body":"Okay, we've"},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":3058.536,"endTime":3060.406,"body":"come to the end of the show."},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":3061.126,"endTime":3062.236,"body":"Thanks everyone for listening."},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":3063.096,"endTime":3067.246,"body":"If you'd like to know more about the"},{"speaker":"Tom 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