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more"},{"startTime":2099.6820000000002,"endTime":2103.622,"body":"about the book or any of the topics"},{"startTime":2103.622,"endTime":2108.382,"body":"that have been covered, you can go"},{"startTime":2103.622,"endTime":2108.382,"body":"to cancel culture in climate dot com."},{"startTime":2108.995,"endTime":2113.025,"body":"There will be links to be able to purchase"},{"startTime":2108.995,"endTime":2113.025,"body":"the book and also just talk about this."},{"startTime":2113.055,"endTime":2115.0950000000003,"body":"I think that that's again very important."},{"startTime":2115.485,"endTime":2120.35,"body":"I'm also on linked in and"},{"startTime":2115.485,"endTime":2120.35,"body":"consistently sharing resources there."},{"startTime":2120.38,"endTime":2125.7000000000003,"body":"So you can find me, Jenny Morgan"},{"startTime":2120.38,"endTime":2125.7000000000003,"body":"slash Jenny C Morgan on LinkedIn."},{"startTime":2125.7400000000002,"endTime":2131.42,"body":"And I really want to hear how people"},{"startTime":2125.7400000000002,"endTime":2131.42,"body":"are handling this and what people"},{"startTime":2131.42,"endTime":2136.2200000000003,"body":"are challenged by and some success"},{"startTime":2131.42,"endTime":2136.2200000000003,"body":"stories and, you know, really creating"},{"startTime":2136.2200000000003,"endTime":2138.21,"body":"a movement of climate communication."},{"startTime":2138.34,"endTime":2139.93,"body":"I think we have the power to do that."},{"startTime":2139.94,"endTime":2141.86,"body":"So we should start doing that now."},{"startTime":2143.085,"endTime":2143.425,"body":"Nice."},{"startTime":2143.545,"endTime":2143.8450000000003,"body":"Great."},{"startTime":2144.0750000000003,"endTime":2145.635,"body":"Jenny, that's been really interesting."},{"startTime":2145.655,"endTime":2147.3250000000003,"body":"Thanks a million for coming"},{"startTime":2145.655,"endTime":2147.3250000000003,"body":"to the podcast today."},{"startTime":2148.42,"endTime":2149.26,"body":"Thank you so much."},{"startTime":2149.26,"endTime":2149.91,"body":"It was a pleasure."},{"startTime":2150.613,"endTime":2152.483,"body":"Okay, we've come to the end of the show."},{"startTime":2153.203,"endTime":2154.313,"body":"Thanks everyone for listening."},{"startTime":2155.1730000000002,"endTime":2159.323,"body":"If you'd like to know more about the"},{"startTime":2155.1730000000002,"endTime":2159.323,"body":"Climate Confident podcast, feel free to"},{"startTime":2159.333,"endTime":2163.243,"body":"drop me an email to tomraftery at outlook."},{"startTime":2163.493,"endTime":2166.973,"body":"com or message me on LinkedIn or Twitter."},{"startTime":2167.543,"endTime":2171.283,"body":"If you like the show, please don't"},{"startTime":2167.543,"endTime":2171.283,"body":"forget to click follow on it in your"},{"startTime":2171.303,"endTime":2175.783,"body":"podcast application of choice to get 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