{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":3.736,"endTime":10.726,"body":"our climate legacy starts much earlier"},{"startTime":3.736,"endTime":10.726,"body":"as young as the age of 14, when"},{"startTime":10.726,"endTime":16.636,"body":"we are old enough to make informed"},{"startTime":10.726,"endTime":16.636,"body":"decisions and we have purchasing power."},{"startTime":17.512,"endTime":21.032,"body":"Good morning, good afternoon, or good"},{"startTime":17.512,"endTime":21.032,"body":"evening, wherever you are in the world."},{"startTime":21.392,"endTime":25.682,"body":"Welcome to episode 223 of the"},{"startTime":21.392,"endTime":25.682,"body":"Climate Confident Podcast, the go-to"},{"startTime":25.682,"endTime":29.462,"body":"show for best practices in climate"},{"startTime":25.682,"endTime":29.462,"body":"emission reductions and removals."},{"startTime":30.032,"endTime":33.572,"body":"I'm your host, Tom Raftery, and if"},{"startTime":30.032,"endTime":33.572,"body":"you haven't 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