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That's"},{"speaker":"Gavin Starks","startTime":2174.2400000000002,"endTime":2177.57,"body":"we need the support from the"},{"speaker":"Gavin Starks","startTime":2174.2400000000002,"endTime":2177.57,"body":"pension holders, which takes you"},{"speaker":"Gavin Starks","startTime":2177.57,"endTime":2181.59,"body":"right the way back to the start."},{"speaker":"Gavin Starks","startTime":2177.57,"endTime":2181.59,"body":"So everybody in the system wants"},{"speaker":"Gavin Starks","startTime":2181.59,"endTime":2184.77,"body":"to create change. There's almost"},{"speaker":"Gavin Starks","startTime":2181.59,"endTime":2184.77,"body":"no simple exceptions when"},{"speaker":"Gavin Starks","startTime":2184.77,"endTime":2187.77,"body":"they're actually in the"},{"speaker":"Gavin Starks","startTime":2184.77,"endTime":2187.77,"body":"minority. So there's a"},{"speaker":"Gavin Starks","startTime":2187.77,"endTime":2191.46,"body":"collective action problem where"},{"speaker":"Gavin Starks","startTime":2187.77,"endTime":2191.46,"body":"we've systemically disabled"},{"speaker":"Gavin Starks","startTime":2191.46,"endTime":2195.2400000000002,"body":"ourselves from taking action, so"},{"speaker":"Gavin Starks","startTime":2191.46,"endTime":2195.2400000000002,"body":"it needs everybody to take the"},{"speaker":"Gavin Starks","startTime":2195.2400000000002,"endTime":2199.71,"body":"question into the meeting. How"},{"speaker":"Gavin Starks","startTime":2195.2400000000002,"endTime":2199.71,"body":"are we going to make this net"},{"speaker":"Gavin Starks","startTime":2199.71,"endTime":2200.07,"body":"zero?"},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":2201.18,"endTime":2204.12,"body":"Fantastic. Great."},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":2201.18,"endTime":2204.12,"body":"Gavin, that's been awesome."},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":2204.15,"endTime":2208.83,"body":"Thanks a million if people want"},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":2204.15,"endTime":2208.83,"body":"to know more about yourself, or"},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":2208.83,"endTime":2213.84,"body":"about icebreaker one are open"},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":2208.83,"endTime":2213.84,"body":"financials or energy or any of"},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":2213.84,"endTime":2216.54,"body":"the things we talked about"},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":2213.84,"endTime":2216.54,"body":"today. Where would you have me"},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":2216.54,"endTime":2217.08,"body":"direct them?"},{"speaker":"Gavin Starks","startTime":2217.53,"endTime":2220.44,"body":"Sure, just"},{"speaker":"Gavin Starks","startTime":2217.53,"endTime":2220.44,"body":"icebreaker one.org and my email"},{"speaker":"Gavin Starks","startTime":2220.44,"endTime":2223.44,"body":"is just Gavin at icebreaker"},{"speaker":"Gavin Starks","startTime":2220.44,"endTime":2223.44,"body":"one.org Just get in touch."},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":2223.88,"endTime":2226.21,"body":"That's fantastic."},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":2223.88,"endTime":2226.21,"body":"Gavin, that's been brilliant."},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":2226.26,"endTime":2228.69,"body":"Thanks a million for coming on"},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":2226.26,"endTime":2228.69,"body":"the podcast today."},{"speaker":"Gavin Starks","startTime":2228.69,"endTime":2230.16,"body":"Thanks very much."},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":2230.16,"endTime":2232.962,"body":"Okay, we've come to"},{"speaker":"Tom Raftery","startTime":2230.16,"endTime":2232.962,"body":"the end of the show. 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