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discussion. Welcome back to the Potter discussion discussing Harry Potter. Fantastic beast in the wisdom world fandom I'm host Oscar, and this is episode of 135. Thank you for joining me today. I hope you've been having a lovely day or you are about to have a lovely day because we are talking about scenes in Harry Potter that can have a different ending.

Obviously, there is a lot of stuff in Harry Potter. There are different pivotal moments, plot twists, very complicated. Jumbled moments. Um, and some add to the stories and take away. Some are completely neutral, but today I wanna talk about some scenes that I think could have had a different ending that I think could have been for the better, but also there are a couple in here that I think are a bit unconventional that might be a bit C virtual even.

So, uh, make sure you stick around for that. Ashley before we get started, I have a bit of an announcement. There is going to be no, the pod discussion for the next few weeks. I believe two episodes, um, are going to be reruns, um, starting next episode, or again, next episode. And the episode after that are gonna be reruns because I am on a very special mission.

I'm going to be, um, in a. Placed in my studio. So there is no recording for me. It is a bit of a vacation, but it is, uh, in the Harry Potter central. Um, so that is, that is all I will say, but I'm going to come back with a lot of really good content, lot of good social media content too. So there's a lot to look forward to, but unfortunately there's gonna be, uh, no new episodes in the next couple weeks.

Stay tuned because there are gonna be some good ones that you should hear, but yes, there will be no new episodes next couple weeks, but there will be some new ones after that. I just wanted to make sure you, uh, knew that. Um, but let's get into today's episode.  all right. So the very first thing I wanna, uh, talk about before we get into the actual scenes are why would this change our view of the story?

Well, I think what this, this would really do for us is just change the story in general, because obviously. What we see the story as is literally what happens. We know the facts of, you know, Harry's, um, parents' deaths. We know, you know, the hor cruxes, the different challenges Harry faces each year. So really what our view would be changed by is really the events of the story themselves, I think, is a, a, uh, a fairly.

Obvious thing that is going to be the, the main way that we, our view is changed in this case. That is mostly because I think, uh, Harry Potter has, is, has a very specific way of doing things. You know, every event is laid out, uh, very plainly and clearly, and in a very specific order. And if that were to be disrupted or if that were to be changed or in any way, kind of mixed up, I think then that would prove to be a very different story.

Even if like one event was different, that would send a cascade of different plot twists and storylines. And the, the Potter series really turned into something that is, uh, not what we know it as. And that's that that's not bad, but I'm saying that there's definitely a lot here. That is a, a variable that I think turned out a very specific way.

And that is the way that we know the story as, but I think, and if. Anything else happened? Um, even I think especially very early on any decision happened very early on. I think there would be a very, very different story that would come out. And even if, I think like, if, even if there was this little difference, like Harry's parents.

Die, you know, two or three minutes apart. And maybe that proves that then VOR could have talked to Harry Moore and Harry could have remembered one thing that could then allow them to kill him sooner. Like these little tiny things and all the decisions that all these people make are this. Huge impact on the story.

Of course, this is like a whole, you know, getting into like time and time travel, which is a very confusing topic that I think we can do perhaps to not talk about today.  um, but I think it is valuable to at least consider that there's a lot to do with, um, like a, a very specific order in. Every single little detailed decision happens in the story.

And we see how much of a difference it makes in the Chris child. I know we had the Chris trial reviews a while back, if you can like, remember those a little bit, or if you read the screenplay you'll know that the main purpose of the story is really showing that how, uh, Draco's sons Scorpius is traveling back in time and it goes wrong and he tries to fix it.

And all these like, like little tiny mistakes Mount and become this. Huge big deal. In one of the realities that scorpions created Voldemort had survived and he was ruling the wizard and world Hogwarts was all slither ends. They had V day. Um, it was a huge big deal just because that one time travel.

Incident that happened was Scorpius. But this should prove to you, is that if just one thing is off, if just one thing is different from the, uh, story, as we know it, then there's almost no chance that there'll be anything similar to, um, you know, the, the, or the order events that we know them as. I mean, even we saw Snape was live.

All those things. Double door was, was like dead a lot earlier. And Harry was dead characters, like are gonna be like, like inverted. Those who are alive are dead. And those are dead who are gonna be alive. Like the different people are gonna be switching sides. There's gonna be destruction and creation and all this, like.

Stuff that is just like throwing up into the air, cuz really when you're going back in time in this case, when you're, uh, when we are gonna be changing some of these events, we're just flipping every single thing and just letting things fall again. It's like, like, like laying out cards on a blanket, exactly how they should be and taking it and shaking it just because of one event or like, like, you know, when you.

Spread out cars in a line, and then you like flip one over and the rest go like all the way down. It's like, like taking one out and then trying to do it again. And it might not work, you know? So there's so much room for everything to kind of collapse in on itself. If we make a wrong decision here, obviously the story will not change or I think it'll be interesting to see really what do we think might happen if it does?

So I think that is a, a, a good jumping off point. So let's get into the very, very first scene. This first one, I think is one of the most obvious differences to this story. Um, that I think a lot of people think of, but least in my opinion, it's one of, uh, if not the most obvious difference. And that is what if Harry was killed by V when he was just a little baby.

Well, This is kind of a big topic and I think it is not, um, gonna be very applicable to dissect the entire thing just in this episode. But I think we can go over some of the kind of greater effects and really discuss, uh, what, what immediate challenges this would pose. So the first big difference that I see here is that the storyline of Harry Potter just in general, would be.

I mean, obviously Harry doesn't exist. So Ron and herion don't really perform that like amazing connection and Hogwarts pretty much falls apart. But I think that's because also that, because Harry doesn't live, um, that doesn't provide this kind of rebellion behind Voldemort and that's kind of allows him to fall, but also of if, if you can recall Voldemort's would have continued his rampage.

He was just gathering power. He was just starting. He. Really, you know, starting this age of vort. And if Harry hadn't accidentally stopped him, that rage would have continued. But if Harry didn't, I think this is some plot convenience moments here. If say like the, the love production didn't work or say, you know, Lily didn't die in the, like the right way for the protection to actually.

Come into effect. Um, then they're all dead. And then VOR is just continuing his rise. I think that that Chris trial timeline of, you know, Voldemort is just taking over the world. I think what happened within the year, um, because there still is some good, I think there still is people like Dumbledore and Snape and McGonal people who are actively fighting against Dumble.

And I think that that is going to be one of the main ways that the Voldemort's army is fought back in this timeline. But like I was saying, Voldemort is just starting he's at the bottom of his power and he manages to kill an entire family and, you know, get away with it. And obviously we've seen just how much power he can hold.

And I think at that point he had all of his hor cruxes, um, because Harry was the last one, but. That that gives him an advantage that gives Voldemort an advantage that he now does. Not that Harry is not, you know, the last part of the horror crux. So there's just so much here that Voldemort gains. And I think like, look looking at this, I think it really allows us to appreciate just how much of an effect that had, um, we wouldn't have had any of the story, um, just at all, if Harry had died and, or yeah, yeah.

If, if he survived, we had a story because he survived. We would have none of it if he had died and vorge would just really becoming this, this powerful force and people still talk about how horrible his reign was like Hagrid didn't even. Like wanna say his name, the whole where world didn't want to say his name Arthurs like terrified serious even was not pleased at all.

in fact, he was very UN unhappy, but the way things were going in the dark ages of Voldemort. So I think just from this, just, just from Harry Potter, uh, like the story that we know, not even going back in. We can tell just how dark a time it was, which is why I wanted to call it the dark ages. And I think that, that, that just fact alone, the fact that it, it was horrible with Voldemort's alive.

I think that that is really, um, the, the thing that we can use to really see just how much of an effect, the, the entire event of Harry actually dying instead of surviving without story. I think I'm getting my point across here pretty well. This is one of the things that just happens. Super early on and is one of the main events of the entire story to come.

So it is in the perfect position to just absolutely jumble everything. And now like, like with, with my cards and the blanket analogy, they're not just shaking the blanket, they're just tossing all their cards off. Everything is just wiped, clean. You know, the future that we think is gonna happen from the time that Harry.

Still alive in, in this, this timeline, when he died, we see just how little of a chance there is. And we see just how blank the slate of the future at this point really has to be. And if we were to go back and if we were to see these events happening in the awarded that they, they eventually do, except that actually die.

I think understanding really why that happened and what will happen immediately after that is a very important part of just really this, this entire thing. I personally would find it very interesting to, uh, read a, you know, a little excerpt or just some little like summary or snippet or even a whole book.

I would love to read talking about, um, you know, laying. Story line of if Harry had died, which I think would've been, uh, very interesting. And so that I would absolutely love to pick up if that exists somewhere. I would love to know, um, if it does, that is a shame, someone get on that.  but, uh, yeah, I think that is a pretty, pretty good reference to the segment.

Uh, so let's move on the next point. All right. So sticking with the same theme here of death and life kind of reversed. Let's talk about Dumbledore. Dumble door died in the sixth book. I'm sorry. I'm it's just a spoiler. I shouldn't be saying this, but I think it's important to, to really accept this fact that tumble door died in the half blood prints.

It's it's a sad event. It's horrible. What if that didn't happen? What if Donald Dore didn't try on the ring? What if his hand was not poisoned, but if he wasn't planning to die, what if he had to have Severus kill him to stop Draco from doing it? What if all those things didn't happen? That is what this next.

Segment is going to be about and just kicking off right now. I think they would've won. I think Dumbledore and Harry would've won a lot faster and easier. It's important for Harry, uh, to this, to, to like in, in the, in the. Time one that we know, I think it's important that he went on that journey and, you know, went to ups and downs with Ron and herion and they found all the hor cruxes and went camping together.

You know, I think all that stuff was great. I think that was great for him. I think that was a, a, a learning experience, but. If Dumbledore was there, then there would be no more like mysterious ways. There would be no more, you know, like trying to guessing what he meant, you know, being mad that, uh, Harry didn't really know who he was, you know, just like being just really, really sad about everything in general.

It would just be a lot easier on, on everyone because Dumbledore is pretty much the figurehead of the, um, good people. Pretty much. I think Harry's the face, but double do is kind of the figurehead. If, if, if you know what I mean, you know, Steering the ship at Harry is kind of the mast, you know, so there's a, there's a lot of different things at play here, but the winning of the good side, I think is definitely the one that is, uh, most prominent.

And the one that will probably take effect sooner because the Highlet prince is the sixth book out of seven. Um, and it's at the very end. So if, if demo do were to survive and all those death leaders were, you know, captured and stopped, I think, oh, not only would that help, you know, just because they were captured death leaders and there were some pretty prominent ones, but, um, then that would allow demo do, uh, and everyone to kind of pursue the goal that they wanted too much sooner.

And I know the devil's advocate would say, well, there was no way to avoid down Waldo's death because he was so weak from the potion. You know, they were flying up to the tower. And that might be true. That might be true, but I think it would've been so much planning and it would've been stretching much farther back than just that night.

Uh, as we all know, Draco was giving, you know, was trying to kill demol door, um, a lot sooner, a lot quicker. Uh, he, he was trying all year. And I've obviously down with Lauren knew, obviously down with Lord knew he would, but he would've. If, if he wasn't planning to be killed by Severus, he would've put a stop to it much earlier.

And he only didn't because obviously, like I said before, he was planning to get killed by Severus not Draco. He just didn't think that he would've to convince DCO on the night in the second that he was going to, which I think was a little blip in the plans. Um, demo Lauren snip, would've been working much closer together and you know, would've been talking because if they did that demo, didn't have to die.

Uh, then they probably would've stopped JCO because DeMoro sacrifice wouldn't have played as big a role if it didn't have to happen. And if Harry, you know, if, if all the circumstances weren't set up that way. Um, so I think having that, that, um, outlet of demod still being alive, I think would've been almost, and like, I'm gonna say.

Almost the one thing that would've really pushed a V over the edge and they made him go crazy. And then they probably would've won because then Baltimore would've been pretty much done for, and then, you know, the whole fiasco of hor cruxes would've happened, he would've flew to her age. So, um, really Dedos.

Survival. Would've only proved to be an advantage for double do, uh, well in the us, obviously an death over life, I think is not a good option. Um  but what I meant to say was an advantage for Harry I around Herin and everyone else on the, the, the side of good, um, which I think is, uh, is a, is, is a, is a fairly obvious put way of putting things.

Um, but it definitely plays a huge part in the store that we think we know. Um, so when, when we really talk about how, if donor survived, I think this is a, this is definitely a huge part of really. How the, um, ations of this story go after this overarching thoughts, demo door demo. Door's survival. Would've led to them winning a lot faster.

Harry probably would've been more sane in his own skin because he knew that he could ask them, throw anything, and they would've won a lot sooner because that is just how I think it would've gone. So that is that. And, uh, let's move on. Now I think we should take it down to a more somber note because the event that we are now discussing is one of the utmost tragedy and it really just brings tears to my eyes.

Whenever I think about it, it happened to Draco in the gall of fire. He did something so atrocious and egregious, and he was punished gravely for. And that was the time that he was turned into a ferret by Matt moody. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. You caught me, you caught me in my joke. So I decided, you know, I figure we've been talking about this, uh, big deal stuff, but, um, let's talk about one event that if stayed permanent, how would the story have changed?

So let's, let's discuss if Draco had state of ferret, how would the story have been different? Yay. Well, Okay. Okay. I think, I think there's, there is some stuff definitely that, that we can discuss here. So the main difference that I see here, the main huge thing that Harry would gain or whatever, you know, the, the, the main difference here is really Draco's.

Future life, especially with vorge because as you know, in the future, the, of, of the story we know with Lucius and our sup Jacob is very pressured to join the death theaters and, you know, become this like VOR right hand, man, dude, you know, he's. On the friend lines he's really with, in the thick of it with Voldemort, that's really where his parents are like, yeah, you go, well, I should say Lucius is much more dead set on that Narcisa would like that for him because that's still what their family does.

But I think I, she like cares more about, you know, Draco as a person. I really just as a, another addition to Voldemort's ranks. Um, so. This I think is a huge part of really how the, the, the future of, um, you know, hair and Dumble doors, a relationship also continues not, not with each other, but with everything because DCO actually plays a surprisingly pivotal role in the, in the future.

Um, especially in the deathly Holos part. The, the first part of the story. And I guess you could, yeah, I guess part one, doesn't the movie part one modest part. One is in the story. The first part of the story, uh, before the battle of Hogwarts, um, Drigo is trying to examine Harry because Harry, Ron, and herion were captured in the forest Hermione cast, a stinging spell on Harry.

So now his face is now all bubbled up in, you know, dif deformed and all that stuff. So Drake was said, then recognize him because they're gonna call Voldemort and they're gonna become rewarded and be honored and stuff like that. Uh, so. Uh, Jacobo has to, you know, identify Harry and obviously Jacobo does not wanna be death here.

He doesn't wanna be the bad guy. So he. I don't know. I don't know who that person is, not Harry, you know, whatever, like what is happening, you know? So, um, I think that, that, that's just one of the events that come to mind, but they're just like little things, you know, over like the, the, the different differences, like very, very small differences.

Um, Uh, I like, like Jericho wouldn't have become a death eat and then maybe, um, Vold, Mar would've been as Lynn lenient with Lucius and Narcissa because they weren't gonna add anything to those. The, the ranks and, uh, VOR knows Lucius is not a very, um,  not very loyal person. Um, and I guess actually, VOR, would've probably killed the mouth voice, like all, all the mouth voice, because I, uh, have DCO would've stayed a ferret.

Um,  uh, before the end of the book, which is at that point, Lucius has to meet VOR VOR calls his followers again, and Lucius would now showed up cuz he was with Draco. Um, trying to maybe at St. Mongo's, maybe it's somewhere else where they were trying to, you know, bring him back to normal. Uh, be then, then Baltimore would've realized that they were just cowards, you know, and they went to kill them because there were some people that didn't show up that night.

There were some people that he listed off that were, um, Stu Carley to show up and Luis would've done that list and he would've been dead the next morning. So a lot of different stuff goes into this. I think. The effect that it has on Harry is definitely more down to Draco, but think the effect that it has, the entire family is more up to V wars because VOR obviously has the power to kill, to give life, to give all that stuff.

I think he's really, um, acting as God with the different death leaders that he has in his control. Draco's, uh, permanent transformation. Uh, we definitely play a huge part. I shouldn't say that. I, I shouldn't say huge part, but it would definitely influence. Uh, the story much more than I think anyone would've expected it, especially for such a silly thing, like a T of all things.

Um, if, if professor Al hadn't come up and, you know, moody was called away and JCO just, scurred away before they could find him, then it very well could've happened. And that would've been that, and the story would've gone on Lucius would've died and the whole story would've come. Like we were saying before.

So. I mean, this is, this is a bit of a joke, but, um, I think it, it, it would be interesting. I think it's not because he's a ferret. I think it's just because he's not himself anymore, which is why it would have had this effect. But, uh, we have a lot of other stuff I wanna get to, uh, a couple more, at least one more before we close out this episode.

Uh, so let's move. Now the final scenario for the day, what would happen if Sirius stayed in as Kaban? This is a very interesting one and one that I have actually been thinking about far before I was making this episode. And that's because, uh, if Sirius hadn't showed up, then Harry likely wouldn't have been involved in the order of the Phoenix at all.

This is because a lot of different things, uh, went into the order of the Phoenix and a lot of which came from serious. Uh, number 12 criminal place, for example, uh, that was provided by Sirius creature was in serious' house. You know, all that stuff was from serious. And I think Sirius also acted as like this, this, you know, father figure that Harry never had.

Um, I think like Arthur Weasley and Molly and, um, uh, serious. And I think honestly, dumbledor also, I think those are the only people that Harry could really turn to and, um, see as a, you know, a. As a real, real person who was there for him. Um, so if Sirius wasn't there, then really? How would this change? I think the first, I mean like what the most immediate changes would appear in the prisoner of Aban, because if Sirius wasn't there.

Uh, if he wasn't the dog, Harry, wouldn't be scared for his life, you know, because he saw the grim, um, and likely, uh, there would've been some, some difficulty with the wear wolves because serious thought off the wear Wolf Lupin. And he, that's not a bit of a, you know, a, a small event. Uh, but also Peter Petre, they would've had a harder time, you know, finding Peter Petre and also with Snape Snape, would've found Harry, Ron Armani and Peter, and would've been like, oh, Craig, let's send you back up to school, you know, go to detention, you know, get a trouble for five.

Four years. Uh, so a lot of different little things. I think would've definitely added up because like a bunch of little things is I think can be counted as one big thing, which is which it is, uh, these little things of, they would've been killed by ol Peter would've survived. You know, they, would've never known by the Harry's true family that can be considered a huge, big thing.

Serious staying in as CBAN, but also Harry wouldn't know that he had a godfather. Harry wouldn't know much about James. He wouldn't know, uh, like a ton of stuff. He wouldn't have found the lock it, uh, because a B regular Sarus black is serious, his brother, and they found him, uh, in number 12 criminal place in the very end, I think it was in the deathly Hallows.

They found the true lock. And that was really why I think, um, they, they, they managed to destroy it too because they knew where it was Rab, regular circus black. I said before, um, and they found the locket through, through that they on Harry ups also found a letter, you know, for this parents, uh, in Sirius's house, they found some pictures, they, uh, found so much stuff and a lot of different things happened there.

But also I think the battle of the order of the Phoenix would have looked very different. One. Favorite scenes, the entire series. Would've been very strange. Of course, that is also serious Z. So I think it would've been terribly different. The end might have been well, actually I think it would've been, I think it would've been very different in fact, because if serious wasn't there, I think they, they still would've won because no other members of the Raider of TV were killed besides Sirius.

So I think they still would've won by a, by a long shot, the, the order of the Phoenix. But I don't think they. I, I, I don't think that dual between VOR would've happened, I don't think, um, you know, V the dumb Lord would've showed up, uh, because that thing happens because Bellatrix kills Sirius, Sirius goes through the veil, then Bellick runs away and Harry's really, you know, screaming and stuff, and looping holds him back.

But Harry Briggs free runs after bellatri into the atrium. And then, uh, Syria, like Harry's gonna like kill Bella tricks, but then Baltimore enters with his, like, you know, like, What's that like, like you like flow within, across the floor. And, um, Harry tr wanted him, but Baltimore cash is wander away, you know, and then Thenor comes in.

Okay. Okay. I'm not myself. You can tell that I love the scene. Um, but my point is here that serious as kind of a lot of, of, of an effect here. Also not to mention the gobo of fire, helping him with the tasks, be asking his moral support, uh, giving him his fire bolt. All this stuff had just been such a difference.

And the firewall too has a long term effect because obviously he keeps up his Quidditch, but also then he escapes the Hungarian horn tale. Um, he, we saw his, the fire of the horn tail was really close to Harry when he was B and he was, uh, in the first task. So if his broom just a little bit slower sizzle, sizzle, crackle.

Harry Potter is now a, uh, corn on the cob, or I should say a, uh, a kebab. So you can really see that a lot of little things. I mean, look, the moral of this entire episode really is that a lot of little things add up to be a very large deal and just one event, no matter how small a person's a person, no matter how small, uh, an event, no matter how small is monumental is colossal acts as this huge.

Tether to every single thing that happens after that. And if just one event is knocked outta place, the rest of the entire story crumbles right after it. And, uh, that just about covers it. Thank you so much for being in. This episode with me. Thank you for listening along to my thoughts. I hope you agree, at least somewhat because, um, it is a big deal in talking about all this stuff.

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