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Hey everyone. Welcome back to the Potter discussion. Today, we're going over some of the most convenient plot holes in the Harry Potter store. And there are so many, so we should just get right into this before we start. I will remind you that there's two links. These SpeakPipe page length on me, voice emission, and the Google form is still open.

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Too, you know, just happened to be there. So Snape is the half-blood prince in the, I don't S on the spoilers, but it is true. And Harry and Ron decided to go into the newts class for professor Slughorn and potions, and they get there. And Harry says, sorry, I don't have a book. I wasn't prepared to go into this class.

And professor Slughorn says, that's fine. Just go in the cabinet. And what do you know. The one book that Harry could use to find out the true motives of the dark Lord just happened to be lawn there in the cupboard. Ron gets the nice one and Harriet gets the old one, but okay. I just, just, this one is so ridiculously convenient.

 And that is quite literally a one in a million. I mean, just think about it. Harry found the one, the thing that Snape left from school, he put all of his knowledge into that book. He put his heart and soul into potions and the dark arts, and it just was left there.

And Harry Potter just decided to pick it up and Harry. Everywhere where this, but he just is everywhere here. He always gets the book. He always gets, you know, the one thing you need to do that one important job to complete the task, to defeat the darkest villain, to ever exist. That thing is just a way. To over-exaggerate in the Harry Potter books and movies for that matter where Harry just magically get to the right thing.

And he's always the smartest, always the fastest, always the strongest. And it just happens to be that way. And it might be because the main character has to be somewhat capable, but it might also be because Harry is the main character and he needs that strength and he needs that speed and smarts.  She gave Harry too much. That was a way too much of strength and smarts and luck. Luck is really the one I left out there. Luck is such an important part of how. Defeated the forces of evil and a water. You know, he just happened to find the book that year that allowed him to get potions. Felix Felicis, get the memory from Slughorn, you know, do all those things.

And it just happened to be that one book on, at one place at one time. And with the one person who was capable enough to do it main character. So all these things just make this big ball. Why's big expands of plot hole, just 100% pure plot hole of this entire scenes, entire thread of story. So little strange for Harry to have found this, but he did and good did come out of it, but it might not be the right time.

 And coming in at number two, we have, Voldemort's getting cited at the ministry. I think everyone can agree with me here is this happens in the fifth book and movie. The ministry just happened to do come into the ministry and see the dark Lord who returned. So for those who don't know in the fifth book, Voldemort and a death eaters had a duel with the order of the Phoenix hair and his friends.

It was going pretty well. I think the order, the order of the Phoenix, definitely one but serious block was unfortunately killed by Bellatrix here. He runs after Bellatrix shooting, spell after spell, and then Voldemort arrives and he duels with Dumbledore. And then he goes inside of Harry and goes, you will lose all that.

And you're a fool, which was like totally comical and amazing to watch. It was so funny. I find the cruelest scenes funny, just don't don't ask questions. Then the ministry just comes out of fireplaces. Maybe they recalled an alarm going off, but they just happen to show up. And a lot of, you know, Voldemort's just standing there saying here, a fool Harry Potter, and you will lose.

And then. Sorry, it's just these like classic Voldemort scenes. I cannot get over the fact that they are just so ridiculous who would, you know, commit a serious felony and then just stand there and we'll wait for the authorities to arrive. That's something you don't do, but. Voldemort did it. He did it all right.

And like talking to Harry, giving Harry his evil plan as all the villains do, giving them time to come and rescue their friends. And that's just some of that. Every single villain does, but with Voldemort, it was so much worse because Voldemort just stood there and waited. Literally waited for the ministry and maybe it was because he wanted the ministry to see he was alive or maybe it was because he wants to strike fear in the hearts of everyone, which is probably the same reason.



 But personally, I think the best often for Voldemort would be to just get out of there and not be seen because fudge and Dumbledore were really going head to head.

There was some friction there because fudge didn't want to accept that Volton was alive, but because of fudge saw Voldemort. That means that fudge now knows. And she is for sure, going to say, all right, well, more to life people get your guard up. But if Voldemort wasn't seen by the ministry, then Dumbledore and the minister would have been still rubbing heads, which would mean that the magical world would still be in turmoil.

And that is really good for volts. Because Voldemort then can do whatever he wants. There is no aligned front. There is nothing that everyone is trying to do different things. And in that case, I think Voldemort would have won it's these little things that just add up to something that you can never, ever redo in the sense that Voldemort was seen.

And the ministry knew that Voltaren was alive. And then they told the war. Dumbledore and the minister decided to work together. I don't know. It didn't really last for long because the minister resigned of course, but. Even then it still was a very big mistake on Walmart's part to be seen maybe on purpose, maybe not by the ministry and in doing so, really not doing a good job in concealing his, a liveliness to the world.

 Now for number three, who owns the elder wands? It sounds like a really weird question to ask, especially after all that happened, but it's true. It's a legitimate question who owns the elder wand after Harry snapped it in half and threw it into the void. You might. No one owns the older one, but death is still a thing.

And this is kind of, I know I'm encroaching into theory territory, but I am going to say if death still exists, when Harry destroys, one of the hollows death is going to find a way to make another elder wand. And it sounds crazy. And I have tears in my eyes from the olden days, but I think that's a very, very big possibility.

That the other one is still existing. It's still alive. And although I do think that snapping it in half and throwing it down a cliff is a suitable way to get something out of your hands. But for the elder wand, really, it's not. So even if Harry didn't there would be so much going on. So let's just try to try to think of our situation here.

So from the beginning, Okay. So Dumbledore has the elder want, and she is this armed by Malfoy Snape kills Dumbledore who has yelled want in this case, it is Draco. But then when Voldemort takes the elder wand from Dumbledore, he doesn't have it because it's Draco's, it's not Snapes, it's not Voldemort's it's Draco's so the one isn't working right for Voldemort.

So what is. Severus you were the one to kill Dumbledore. And as we all know, I must kill the previous master of the elder wall. Yeah, that part. So then Voldemort killed Snape in pursuit of the elder ones, but surprise, surprise. It didn't work because it's Draco. Draco was the true master of the elder ones.

Then Harry disarms Draco. So now Harry is the master of the elder ones. And Voldemort keeps going with, without knowing this and the wand is not working for Voldemort. Of course it is functioning as a wand, but not. And Harry has Draco's want, this is so confusing. No, no. Draco's mother's one because that's what he took.

No, it's straight goes along. I just went through so many phases. There it is. Drake was one because I thought that, Hey, I'm Harry disarm, Draco, then Draco. Then Harry took trickles one, but that was Draco's mother's one because Harry took Drake was Juan and Malfoy manner. 

 Even in fall that basically Draco is using his mother's wand and Harry is using Draco's one because, you know, disarmed around the mouth line manner. So that's what's happening right now, but it's really confusing now, because is that what happened? You might say.

Yeah, sure. But it's not. I'll explain. So for the elder Wong to pass through owners, the previous owner has to die. Did Drinko kill. No, no didn't did Snape. Yeah. Yeah. State did. And for the elder one to pass ownership, it has to be acquired the same way its master acquired it.

So for example, snake kill Dumbledore, snake pass, you be killed. And in that sense, Voldemort had the right mind it, no ignore no rule book. Doesn't state that if you disarm the owner of the elder wand and you will become the master, how was that? Well, well that means if anyone disarms anyone, they get the master of they, they are the master of that person's won, which makes no sense.

And even if that isn't true, how is disarming killing? That makes no sense to Tom is not killing it in my book. So this whole thing just makes no sense. Absolutely no sense for the other one there's questions like who owns it now and all that kind of thing. But I think we should just not add all our brains with this and move.



And at number four, we have, if just one person unresponsible got their hands on a time, Turner, the world would fall apart. Time is one of those things that can't be meshed with. I mean, if you're watching Loki you'll know that time can fall apart, I recommend that show.

It's amazing. So, Time is a really one of those things where if you do something that is like one thing that is wrong, everything falls apart. So if you've seen any time movie, anytime show just your brain is somewhat logical. You'll know that doing one thing can really affect how the timeline goes. Now.

Now we'll just start over from there. We'll just start over. And coming at number four, we have is just one person unresponsive, responsibly, got their hands on a time. Turner. The world would fall a part. If you're watching Loki you'll know that time is really delicate. And if one thing goes wrong, it'll fall.

Tony recommended that show to moving. So time's one of those things where if you go back in time and just change one thing, everything just collapses. The butterfly effect is a real folks. So it just think about it. If you go back in time and do something that will majorly change your life. It's going to have a huge effect.

I don't know, major in huge the same thing, but that's the point. If you do something to yourself in the past and you go back to the present, anything can happen. Your friend could be your enemy and you could live in a completely different house. So it's just these things that are so small, lead it to things that are so big.

You have this one course of action and you follow that. Very specifically. And if one thing just completely goes off the rails. And what are you going to do? Everything is going to be shifted and your entire life course is going to be blown off. So that's the logic of it. But for Harry Potter, there is such a web of destruction with Harry Potter.

So let's say one person got their hands on a time Turner and it was a death theater. They went back in time and killed Harry before he was even born. What would happen? Well, the Weasley is, would most likely all be dead. I'm sorry. Voldemort would not have gone for Harry would have gone for Neville and Neville would have been the Harry Potter of the universe, but it would have been very hard because Neville isn't exactly magically capable in the first couple of movies.

So that would have been tough and everyone's morale would have not been exactly exciting. And maybe without Harry there, they might have lost the war. And that meant that Snape, whenever I've helped Dumbledore. Probably would have stem stay at a death theater and Dumbledore would not have enlisted the help of Snape, which means he would have stayed the regular headmaster with no dabbling in the dark arts, which meant he would not have a, a spy on the other side.

To get information, which then would mean they would have no Intel and no way to inject false information into the death eater circle, which then I know then that would mean that they would lose.

And I hate to say it, but if it was a battle between good and evil, I think he would win. And that's just because there are no spies, no Morales, no love protections, no sacrificial love things. I think it would just become. They are malicious and conniving and scheming and they play dirty. They don't exactly go for the fair fight.

They go for the fight. They can win. And with the numbers they have and the way they got there, unfortunately, the evil people would win. So a completely different world, if just that one person got their hands on a time, Turner. And it was a good person. It would be a better effect, but still a very large one.

If, for example, Harry go to 10 at a time, Turner went back in time and killed Tom riddle. The father of Voldemort, then Voldemort would never be. And that would be quite the shocker, but then you ask yourself, how would that even a work, someone else could easily take up the mantle of a Voldemort figure.

And even then they would do stuff completely differently. They would. Treat their people even so different from how Voldemort just functioned his army. So it would be such a big effect for just one person to make a big decision with a time Turner. And if hours, someone with a time Turner, I would just put her away and I would never touch it again because that stuff is dangerous.

 So coming in at number five, we have all vendors. Ingredients are way more expensive than the actual price of the wand. It's basic business here. If you make a product, you want to price it higher than how you made it, but all the vendor doesn't seem to do that alone.

With Hagrid. We can tell that the unicorn hair costs somewhere around, maybe it like 17 or 18 galleys. A strand. That's a lot, man is a lot. And all the vendor charged Harry, what? Nine galleons for his woman. That's the only metric we have. They don't really line up, but I don't know. I don't know how a vendor is functioning, but we might have a couple of guesses here and apply though.

It doesn't mean something that doesn't exist. It's just something that we don't have. So we can put in the pieces here. That would be pretty cool. So what is all of Anders? He might get donations. That was my first thought that he gets donations from other people because he is a wan shop. Of course, the only Guan shop in Britain and families would just donate a guy in or two a year just to keep him going.

And, you know, if a million families does that has a lot of money, it's not a million of course, and maybe, you know, four or 5,000, but still that's a lot of galleons and quite to the abundance and enough to keep his business. Another thing I thought of was maybe it's like a generational wealth kind of thing where, you know, since like 3 82 BC, if he's gonna make it one since then, I think he might have quite the generational wealth built up.

Because if you started in three age UBC, his family started, then he would probably be charging more back than just because, you know, pricing wasn't exactly the same. So he would be making so much more and then he might have almost close to a million gallons. If the prices were what we think they are that long ago.

And if so, that means all enter is a well-worth the nine galleon price, which is quite low for a magical wand that costs maybe 30 to 40 gallons to make a long. That is another one of those crazy things with the wizard pricing. No one knows what's going on with this, with wizards returning, you know, rentals and buying and all that kind of thing.

It just makes no sense because all the Vander he has to pay rent. I mean, I'm not gonna not gonna assume anything. Nothing makes sense in the Wizarding world, but from basic logic, I think we can gather that some who somehow getting extra money and it might be from donations, maybe from grants, from the ministry.

It might be from something along those lines, but he isn't getting it from his customer. So that's Paul, I think we're going to have to have to sit on for a second, if you can. If you have your guesses, maybe, you know, please tell me in the show. Those two lanes speak by page in Google form, click those, and only take two seconds.

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 And the at number six, we have Fred and George didn't see pedigree on the map. So is you're a little confused here. I'll. Peter pedigree escaped to Hogwarts in the well, rather from Hogwarts in the third year.

But before that in the first and second, he was sleeping with Ron in his bed every single night in his rat form. And if I'm not mistaken Fred and George just so happened to possess a map them a Roger's map that can tell everyone exactly where every single person is. Invisibility cloak, pauses potion, even in a Magus aside.

Pedigree should have shown up on the map and Fred and George, didn't see a thing. Why, why in his brother's bed every single night for two years, no one saw a thing. It's just one of those things that you kind of have to accept and move on from, because there is no way that Fred and George Weasley didn't see this clear.

It was clear. So clear that this brand and person, well, not random at all. And that just makes it even more confusing. This totally not random person was sleeping in their brother's bread brother for crying out loud. For two years, I can't have a group. I can't get over this two years of this and I just don't know what they're thinking, but somehow this works.

I think we're going to have to give this to plot convenience because at some point plot holes becomes plot convenience. So maybe they just don't want to look at Ron for the map. I just don't know. I don't know. I don't know at this point. So for this one, I think we can pretty much say plot convenience.

Whoo pop convenience was amazing. But for this one, it's definitely interesting to think about how Fred and George had the marauders map for so long. So they had the inside scoop on so many things, and this should have been one of them clearly, but it wasn't, it's just another minister of Harry Potter.

There are so many different things that could have happened, but didn't, and this is one of them. I think we're going to have to say that this is something we will never know. In addition to the. This is a mystery that may never be solved. The monitor's map is so confusing. This might just be maybe the margin of thought it was the same person.

 

 All in all the marauders map is something that we will never understand. And maybe Fred and George overlooked it. Maybe they didn't look at the map at night, but for the, whatever, the reason is pedigrees stayed unnoticed. Wow.

 And our final plot hole of the day, why didn't James or Lily become the secret? I mean, this feels so simple, but it is not exactly executed. So James decide, you know what? Peter's a great friend. Let's give him the opportunity to be our trustee secret keeper. Why do you think. What are you thinking?

And I know they're great friends and they probably thought of the good idea, you know, to trust a friend and be nice and all that kind of stuff, bud. Why, how would that ever work? How would being, and giving someone else the secret keeper role be better for them than having one of them do it. It's sounds kind of weird, but they have an existing curfew.

The potters have to be in by seven or the dark Lord will come for them. That's something that they can really overlook. And it is a natural protector of their secrets, because if, say, for example, if Lily became the secret keeper, they would just always stay inside at night and the dark Lord can never come for them.

They can never find their house, but if pedigree goes, yep. Then boom, Baltimore knows he's going to their house. So you can never just give someone else this huge responsibility and call it good. You have to do some planning after that, but whatever they did, they must've had a good reason for it. And they did it.

It ended in tragedy, but that was the best they could do at the moment. Okay, that just about wraps up this episode. If you have any questions, comments, or topics that you would like to hear on the podcast, definitely send me an email. My email is the of discussion@gmail.com. That is the Potter discussion@gmail.com.

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