Amos Diggory isn't actually that bad, and Voldemort is a lot scarier that we thought | Reflecting on Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (Tea Leaves)

In this episode, we reflect on our just finished season four of Tea Leaves, our version of the Harry Potter TV show. Enjoy!

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·      2:16 Voldemort is really scary. With the people we’ve seen working on this show, it really isn’t going to be a strictly kids show. There is going to be a darker, more mature air about the characters and that will translate to a more intense Voldemort.

·      10:47 Dark magic and Amos Diggory. We first see Amos and slightly annoying and at odds with Harry, but that is driven out of our minds at the quidditch world cup. After Harry brings Cedric’s body back from the graveyard, we realize that Amos was never at odds with Harry and that there are bigger fish to fry.

·      16:42 Dumbledore and Harry don’t have as close a relationship. They are in a transition year between the first three and last three seasons, though we’ll have to get into season five to know about this I think.

·      22:35 Harry feeling more connected with his past.

·      26:04 Looking forward. There are a few magical threads getting woven together. Magic is clearly getting more advanced and taking on a deeper meaning, and these new developments and conflicts surrounding Voldemort will lend itself to a more dynamic and dangerous magical ecosystem.

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Intro

Oscar 0:00

Welcome to the potter discussion. Welcome back to the potter disgusting disgusting the Harry Potter books, films, TV show, and the wizard wolf fandom. I'm your host Oscar and this is episode 345. Thank you everybody for joining me today. I am so happy to be sitting here speaking with you today. I hope you are having a lovely day, a lovely morning or midday or afternoon or whenever, whenever, whoever, whatever you're listening to this, I hope you are doing well. I am very happy to be making this episode because we are taking a breath. We have been going so fast, even rocketing through our story, and we have uh a good few seasons to go here, and we are now in our in-between time. We have an episode to kind of uh take a breath, like I said, relax and look back at our season and look ahead at what's to come. So we are going to be taking a look back at season four. We just finished season four of Tea Leaves. Tea Leaves, if this is your first episode, is our version of the Harry Potter TV show. We are going through each book scene by scene and building up the TV show. And last week we just finished season four, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. It was a banger. Let me let me say, it really was. It was the longest episode we've ever done, and it was the most dense episode I think we've we've ever done as well. So it was really, really cool. I had a lot of fun recording that. That was the episodes nine and ten, the season finale, and now we are looking forward to season five. So this episode uh is gonna be some takeaways that I got from season four, some things that I've had now time to reflect on and share with you all, and then we are going to be having a little bit of a look ahead, kind of what's to come, maybe what's gonna uh appear in the first few episodes. Nothing too specific, but we are gonna get that ball rolling. So I am very excited for today's episode. If you have any questions, comments, topics, anything at all you want to reach out with, now's a great time to start thinking about season five. If there's anything you want to see, uh definitely send an email to the poderdiscussion at gmail.com. That is thepodter discussion at gmail.com. All right, that was a lot of talk, and I am ready to begin. So without further ado, let's get into today's episode.

Voldemort is really scary

Oscar 2:17

So the first big takeaway that I have from season four, now thinking back to our 10-episode series, which by the way, I highly recommend you go back and listen to. Those are uh back in the feed. Uh, it's really important that you hear those, especially for the upcoming season. One of the things that really struck me, especially now having a bit of space from that season, is Voldemort is like really scary. I was thinking about that, those last few scenes that we discussed in the graveyard of him coming to life again. And I think this is a stark uh feature of this new kind of style that I'm hoping to see. Uh, we are definitely making that, we are making our version, the tea leaves, show in that style. And that's like a bit of a darker, more mature way of producing the films. And I think that is still in keeping with the tradition of the books. I, uh, in preparation for season four and also uh looking ahead to season five, I was rereading some of the books, and I actually I hadn't reread them in a while. So it was, you know, I was kind of getting, you know, a look back to the text that I hadn't taken in a while. And one thing that struck me, and I would and I was I was reading, I was kind of thinking about this, is like, why like this story, why this story to become this huge thing? And one of the things that really struck me is the voice of the characters is very mature. Like, I was reading Prisoner of Azgaband, and these kids are 13, and they still they sound like they're very grown up, so that might be a part of it, and I think that is the kind of uh voice that I want to find with this uh TV series. I don't, you know, I'm not looking for scholars and politicians in these 13-year-old kids, but there is a certain maturity that they have that is impossible to deny, and I think that is kind of the the bellwether for this more mature look at the story. And I was also thinking about this the other day about how, you know, the the showrunner for Succession, Mike Mylot, he's you know a huge part of this show, and they have Hans Zimmer, who has been known to compose music for very uh intense and layered films. There is an all-star cast here, and they're not exactly a a kids' movie lineup, you know. I think that's one of the things that I was thinking about as well is this is going to take on a different tone. And as I was, you know, uh recording that episode and thinking about Voldemort's kind of whole persona, one of the big things that kept striking me is that he is not as chilling as he could be because he's just not the villain. You know, he is in in the films and in the books, he is like the big bad guy. But he's so much more than that. And I think, you know, the true villains, and gosh, I think it was like uh one of one of the actors, I don't know who it was, not of a Harry Potter, but of of uh the Hollywood world. He gave an interview and he took he was talking about how you know villains are you know of a very scary part of films, but the scariest ones don't believe that they're villains at all. And that really stuck with me because that's exactly well who who Voldemort is. Voldemort does not think that he's some big bad guy who's killing people, and you know, like of course, and also this is kind of strange, it's like it's called dark magic. Like, wouldn't the people who made it call something else? I don't know. Anyway, yes, we know them to be villains, they know themselves to be the ones that everyone thinks are villains, but they think they're doing the right thing. For one reason or another, they have stuck with Voldemort, and it might be out of fear, it might be out of a longing for a different world. Maybe they're just rid of insane, you never know. But Voldemort does not think that he's doing the wrong thing. If he thought he was genuinely doing the wrong thing, he would stop. Because people don't want to do the wrong thing, they want to do the thing that they want to do, and that's this is exactly what Voldemort wants to do. So that is kind of the layer that we are beginning to see with Voldemort, and this past season kind of showed me that in much more uh it's like a in a starker color than before because he's he's he's back now, you know, he's back. We haven't really had a face-to-face encounter with Voldemort. We literally have had a face-to-face uh in the Philosopher's Stone, but it just it just wasn't the same. It just wasn't the same. I think that's kind of uh and it like that's that's an example of the buildup because this whole scene in the graveyard, him coming to life, it's not it it means something because we know the consequences. We know that w his return is going to usher in a new era of wizardry, and especially because we know exactly what that era is gonna bring, it is it makes this scene all the scarier and and all the more uh important. But it wouldn't be nearly as impactful if we hadn't had this build-up of him, you know, first of all, the whole complicated past he has with Harry, but then when they met in Philosopher's Stone, and then when Harry met the memory and kind of realized it was him and realized his potential in Chamber Secrets, and then finally when his humble servant was the uh, you know, f focus of the day, so not even him, but his one of his underlings was this mass murderer, so we were like, well, what must he be then uh in the in the Prisoner of Azaban? And now that he's taking the kind of the the forefront, moving into the Order of the Phoenix, this is kind of the transition point between uh the you know world without Voldemort and the world with Voldemort, and there's gonna be a definite difference. And that's I think the important point here. Voldemort is in your face. He is he is he is here to stay, and that is what really struck me when we're when recording last episode. It's really easy to kind of go through and reread and watch the films again, and you know, Voldemort is there and then he's then he's he returns. Like we just kind of I think are kind of numb to that, and that maybe is kind of the core of what I'm trying to say, is that we have we have lived with the story, we've experienced the story so much, we're just used to it. Like Voldemort returns, yeah, this is the scene that he returns, like that's just all it is. But we have we forgot what it really means, and that is why I am really glad to have this fresh new take, because watching it for you know, quote unquote, for the first time uh will show us that. And this, with that, you know, all-star lineup of people who aren't here to make a kid's show, uh, it's definitely going to mean something when we watch it. So I am very much looking forward to that. I think that was something that was really striking me, especially uh afterwards as I was thinking about the season finale. I was thinking, like, I was I I kept playing uh in my head, I kept remembering the film scene where Voldemort came back to life, and I kept remembering like how material it was. Does that make any sense? And that's kind of why I wanted to move away from the image that they had in the film. It's a very material kind of transformation that that he goes through. He has these three things, and then he become like then he like when he comes out of the culture and he's like this blubbering mass of whatever, and then he kind of comes becomes whole. Like, yeah, that's that's the vibe that we're going for for sure, but it's it's definitely there's something else to it. There's something else to it, and that's why I would more appreciate the vision of like, for example, uh we mentioned the locket. When Harry and Ron open the locket, this horrifying, huge, riling mass of something just like explodes out of it. So I I kept thinking, like, well, if that's you know, a that if that's an eighth of his soul, that's a little slice of who he is, what could it possibly look like if he was if he was he if if if all of his power was collected and he was made stronger and then his his form itself was was making itself out of thin air. I feel like it'd be a lot more scary than what we saw out of the locket. So I don't know. I'm just I'm I'm just saying Volnor's got some tricks up his sleeve, and he is not afraid to use them. So that is something that I am absolutely looking forward to seeing. And still we haven't heard any casting news and nothing, so I'm it is I I am kind of uh ex looking forward, and I'm I it's it's exciting that they're keeping this whole thing under wraps. So that is that is gonna be fun. But we do have more to discuss in this episode, so let's move

Dark magic and Amos Diggory

Oscar 10:47

on. I was trying to think about how I can put this next one into words, and the best way I could describe it is the intersection between dark magic and a mistiggery. That's really the best way I could possibly describe this idea that I've kind of been mulling around. So let me explain what I mean here. What is w what do I even what am I what am I saying here? So this is kind of the first time we get a real look at you could say dark magic. Yes, we've had ex we've been face to face with dark wizards, but true dark magic we haven't seen yet. And I think this is the first book that we really kind of see that and understand what it means. And our impression is wow. This is horrible. I mean, genuinely, this is just horrible stuff to witness. I mean, the the the Death Eaters at the Quidditch World Cup levitating the Robertsons in the air and blasting tents and killing people, and uh I in the the book, in the Goblet of Fire book, I I love the the detail of when the trio and Trico are in the forest, they kept say they they see these flashes of green light, and they don't know what it means yet. But just a few chapters later, Moody is teaching them the killing curse and and all the green light that goes with it. So we are beginning to understand that this is a a really, really powerful thing, this whole dark magic thing. And the Voldemort's followers, these Death Eaters, who we are also introduced to in this book, are not afraid to use it. So that is like, oh boy, like that is really kind of unfortunate uh for us, at least. So Amos Stiggery, where the heck does Amos Stiggery fit in here? Well, uh, another thing that as I was reading the book and then getting to the end and how Amos was so devastated, so here's here's my progression of what I think of Amos Diggeri. First, he seems nice, you know, because he has the porky, but oh, he's kind of annoying because he's saying that, you know, Harry is a bad Quidditch player, Cedric is better than Harry, and uh Amos is he's refusing to hear anything else, and then that's kind of the vision that we have of uh of Amos. And then as all of these things uh kind of coalesce and the the tournament, you know, evolves and all these things go down, and then eventually Harry uh uh you know Porkys back into the Hogwarts Grandmas with Cedric's body, and Amos sees him and is devastated. That is when we kind of see that contrast. So Amos Diggory is the representation for me. He is the whole idea of like little conflicts, like all the things that we went through in the first few books, like Malfoy and the Troll, and like these things that seem so real, but in reality are not that bad. And and that's kind of what Amos Diggory is. He's kind of the last example of that. You know, that he is absolutely uh, you know, he's he's he's a nuisance, he's a problem, and that's kind of what Harry thinks of him because he's saying, well, Cedric is obviously the better flyer, you know, one one player stays on his room, the other falls off. It doesn't take a genius to say who's who's the better flyer. I think that he says something like that. Like when when reading that, I was like, gosh, this guy's kind of like I don't really like it that much. And then we go through the whole tournament and we witness Voldemort's return, and then we get back and we realize, like, like that's so far from the truth. Like, Amos is a good person, and we have bigger fish to fry. That's that's kind of the the vibe that I want coming out of this. You know, there are so many things in the world, there are so many problems, there are so many people, and certainly Harry does not have time to be beefing with his friends' dads. Like, that's very far from the list of priorities, at least for him, I should hope. So that's kind of the point I want to make here is that man, Amos just isn't worth it. Like, he is a genuinely good person, and he we see, especially like we see that, and we briefly mentioned this in uh last week's episode, is that when he is biased and he's crying and he's he is c like he's yelling and he is devastated, like we see that. For maybe the first time in him, we see that he cares about his son, and he cares about protecting good people, and that's what we really know about him. Especially that coming out of the graveyard, Harry sees it and just you know, though he probably doesn't consciously register anything, but yeah, I mean that's it. Like Amos is is a good person, and that's that. That's that's really all all there is to it. So I definitely wanted to make that point because I was thinking about that and how we kind of use, you know, between Amos and Dark Magic, they are put together on purpose, you know, to show us the contrast. We travel to the Quiddish World Cup with Amos, and then we see this dark magic, and Cedric kind of goes out of our mind. And then uh Harry and Cedric and you know Amos and Spirit are going through the maze, and then we witness Voldemort's return, and then we see just how much Cedric meant to Amos and just how big of a mountain they have yet uh left to climb. So, all that to say, Amos is a character not necessarily to pay too much attention to, but to see and understand and recognize the importance. He is kind of this this uh signal to us, you know, that the battle lines are being drawn. So, with that, let's move on.

Dumbledore and Harry don’t have as close a relationship

Oscar 16:43

So, honestly, I'm not quite sure what to do with this next one, but it struck me as important all the same. So, Harry and Dumbledore. Important duo. They are close, they are, you know, part and partisan crime, and Dumbledore is not telling Harry anything, as is, you know, the usual, and of course, Harry is going about his daily life with no knowledge of Dumbledore's plans. That's just kind of how it works. We're we we know this, we are okay with this, whatever. But looking back at this season, I was kind of I was remarking it how Harry and Dumbledore weren't really as close as before. And I was trying to think, like, well, what does that mean? I don't know. And I don't think we're really gonna know until the end of next season, because as I'm looking at this, it's kind of split perfectly. So I read Prisoner of Azure Man, I finished it a few days ago, just to uh kind of begin my context finding for season five, and one of the things that struck me is just how much Harry relies on Dumbledore. I'm thinking especially of like when Lupin is leaving Hogwarts, when Snape reveals to the Slytherin class that he is in fact the werewolf, uh Lupin has to leave, and so Harry goes up to Lupin's office, and then Dumbledore comes in and Lupin heads out, and it's just Harry and Dumbledore. And that is such a vulnerable moment from Harry, and I just don't see those kinds of moments happening in the Goblet of Fire. The one, the only one, the close one I can think of is when Harry comes out of the pensive and Dumbledore's there, and he kind of they have that conversation about Neville and about Bardie Crutch Jr. and but it's not really about Harry, it's about other people. And I also think of like at the end of Chamber of Secrets, like when Harry's talking to Dumbledore. That's also true. And again, at the end of Philosopher's Stone when Harry's in the hospital wing, all those three things, like Dumbledore is he's the end LPO, he is the person who Harry talks to, but Goblet of Fire, that just doesn't happen when he and Harry have, you know, their their the classic end scene, you know, with him and Dumbledore, it's not about him, it's about uh Bardio Cratcher Jr. Because they're the with that's that's who Dumbledore is trying to trying to get. Like, those are the kinds of things that define their relationship in that season is other people, namely other people. So I found that interesting. And what I mentioned, like it's a perfect split. That's because the way I see it, this book is the transition, and it's the transition for a lot of things, but Dumbledore's and Harry's relationship is the big one. The first three seasons see Harry and Dumbledore as kind of mentor mentee. You know, Dumbledore gives him advice and and and gives him you know guidance, and clearly it is, you know, Dumbledore is is is the master uh in in this case. Gobedifier is kind of the middle ground because Harry has to find his own way. Dumbledore, and I think this is where the Tri Wizard tournament is a helpful mode of story, because the staff, of course, well known, the staff aren't allowed to help the students. Part of it is cheating, but even Dumbledore, you know, wouldn't give Harry just you know help. That's against the rules, and of course, Dumbledore isn't willing to break the rules that bad. Though, of course, I'm sure he knows about Hagrid showing him at the dragons. Anyway, Dumbledore is not helping Harry, because of course that's not what you're supposed to do, but that is indicative of a larger change. Dumbledore is not uh letting Harry lean on him completely, and that is because Harry is growing up and he has to begin finding his own way in the world. But as the Order of the Phoenix, Haplood Prince and Deathly Hollows roll around, that is where Harry begins to rely on Dumbledore again, and but it's in it's in a different way, and this is kind of why I was saying we might have to start the next season to kind of figure it out truly. But I'm thinking of how far that they've how far they've come. And like, for example, that the the scene in kind of that ethereal King's Cross after Dumbledore has been killed in in Deathly Hollows. It is so clear that Harry is is relying on Dumbledore for answers and for help and for guidance, but still, still he returns to the real living world and acts uh by his own accord and and takes down Voldemort, you know, uh with his own with his own free will. That's the kind of relationship that they are building towards. So we are going to begin to see more autonomy from Harry, and less so Dumbledore kind of telling him what to do, and more so Dumbledore showing him how to do it. Uh that's kind of gonna be the shift in the relationship. But that shift couldn't happen overnight, so to speak, from one book to the next. We needed this season as kind of a transition season in between. Uh, because we are absolutely going to need uh Dumbledore, and I am very much looking forward to their end of book chat after the whole fiasco with Administrative Magic after Sirius is killed. I am very much looking forward to that because that's a that is intense. That is a charged conversation that they have, and that's like a good example of that. Like with little baby first year hair. Have smashed up Dumbledore's office? Absolutely not. No. Harry is becoming an adult, and this is part of that process. So this book, I was kind of noticing this this book, this season, this part of the story, the fourth season is that moment of moment of transition. And now we've kind of gone through that now that the season is over, and we are moving towards this time of less reliance and more of a guidance kind of situation. So I am very much looking forward to that. And I think it is going to be it's going to prove to be a very interesting relationship between this. So that is going to be very cool to see. Alrighty, let's move on.

Harry feeling more connected with his past

Oscar 22:36

Harry is also feeling a lot more connected with his past. And that is a huge theme of definitely Prince of Ascaban, but especially Goblet of Fire. I think this point evolves out of the past few seasons. And I'm thinking especially Princess of Ascaman with the beginning with the Marauders and meeting Sirius kind of opened the door to his past. And you know, the whole idea of like, you know, Moody, Worm Tele, Patfoot, and Pronx, and how they all reappeared on the Hogwarts grounds that that one fateful night. And that was kind of like, that was for lack of a better word, that was a blast from the past. I mean, really it was, for uh for Lupin and Sirius at the very least. But that showed Harry that the past is still alive. And then especially in the Goblet of Fire, when he had the whole duel with Voldemort and his parents appeared in front of his eyes. I mean, I mean, come on. Like, it is it is really getting intense here. So Harry's connection with his past is definitely growing, and this past season, uh, the Goblet of Fire is a great example of that. Because Voldemort is is is gaining power, and as Voldemort is kind of returning, so are the horrors of Harry's past. Because not only uh does Voldemort represent the fight against evil, but he also represents the time in which the people, you know, he he represents the people who are doing the fighting as well. So as he's coming back, as Harry is now stepping up to the challenge, he is kind of stepping into his parents' shoes, which lends itself to a more uh interconnected kind of relationship that he has with them. And he's gonna like, you know, as he begins his study of the pensive and he's going back and and and you know, seeing memories and all that, and and these uh this conflict is kind of gonna begin to spin higher and higher and higher, he's going to need that that that feeling, that uh the strength that his parents give him. He's gonna need that all the more as these uh years kind of stretch on. And especially, I was just talking about that conversation that Dumbledore and Harry are gonna have at the end of The Odor of the Phoenix. That is kind of like that's if anything, that moment is when Harry feels the most connected to his parents. Because Sirius just died and he's left with nothing and no one. And that is that's just when he feels this gaping hole where his where you know where where his parents should be in his heart, and that is kind of where we we we get that relationship in as bright color as it has ever been. So I am I am looking forward to that. I think Harry's past is really complicated, and as we get into the prophecy and of the Hall of Mysteries, and eventually as you come face to face with Voldemort and Harry and Dumbledore begin to work much more closely together surrounding Horcruxes and finding uh Voldemort's true weaknesses, that is going to become the defining part of Harry's journey. His relationship with his parents, with his past, and how he will avenge the deaths of everyone who died for him before. So this is gonna be a fun time, I will say. We are really we are entering some intense storytelling, and I think it is going to be a really, really fun time in terms of uh the whole story package. So we have one more thing to discuss in this episode. So let's move on.

Looking forward

Oscar 26:05

Now I want to look forward a little bit. So I mentioned that we would maybe take a little peek into next season, and here are some of the things that are are kind of jumping out at me about next season. The big one is magic is getting the word I thought of is deeper. Deeper. I mean, these spells that we're learning are getting more complicated, and I think more importantly, our idea of what magic even is is expanding. And I am especially talking about, I think that's another function of the Tri-Wizard Tournament. Because Harry had to learn a ton of new spells, and he had to have a ton of, you know, different magical ideas kind of floating around in his head. That was no accident. That was that was no accident. And then especially as we have things like the maze uh and all these magical creatures, and this whole new ecosystem that's kind of that's sprouting around the the uh this this this new kind of world that's emerging for Harry, then in that Voldemort is coming back, you know, he is forced to evolve and grow and change, and as we move into the next season, we are bare we are witnessing this magic grow, not just in him, but in every other person, because there is uh a call that they have to answer. Uh they have to rise to the challenge, and I think that is exactly what is going to be the most important part of their journey for the foreseeable future, really. We have like the the thing that I keep thinking of is like the maze, like how much magic did the professors and did the game makers have to put into that maze? I mean, the growth, the maintenance, and then all the creatures, the port key, and like all these different like it was a huge project. And then we go from that huge project into the graveyard and we witness some of the darkest, some of the most powerful magic we have ever seen in front of our eyes. We see you know, wormchell cuts his hand off, gets Harry's blood, gets bones, puts it in his cauldron, and Voldemort putt comes out like wow. I guess that's a good word for it. Wow. So magic is really getting deeper. It is getting more and more complicated. But I also said that our you know vision of what magic is is expanding. And I think we are slowly beginning to understand that magic isn't just words and uh and a jet of light, you know, there is a lot more to it than that. So I'm hoping that the TV show will shed more light on kind of what magic is, where it comes from, because we don't really know anything about that, and I'm not expecting a detailed overview, honestly, because truth be told, it's a plot hole, and it's one that I'm glad to have, because where magic comes from is an impossible question. But one of the things that, like, for example, in like the Finding Harry documentary, that that little short snippet we saw of the making of the TV show, uh, one of the things that they were talking about is nature. A lot of the uh ideas that they are working with is the idea of nature and you know, very natural things, magic coming from a natural place. That is a good idea there. So we are beginning to see that you know, magic is not, like I said, it's not an uh an incantation and a swish and a flick and something happens. It is, you know, shifting energies, it is something else that is stirring beyond our vision. So that is hopefully what we are going to be able to see more of in the coming uh seasons. So that is that is the big one that I uh saw on the horizon. But another thing that I was thinking of, especially as I was beginning to mull over ideas for the first episode, is Dementors and Voldemort. That's what we're getting in the next book. I mean, that's kind of crazy. That's kind of crazy. And think of think of the the the those minutes that we will never get back in our lives when we were talking about the Dementors and the Prince of Azkman when they when they land on the Hoggles Express. We had a good long talk about those Dementors and what they look like and what they do and everything to do with that. Man, we're getting those bad boys in this season too. But that's not all. We're also getting Voldemort in the flesh. He's not some, you know, vision, he's not plastered the back of someone's head, he's not even just reborn, he is fully fledged, and he is he is causing trouble. So this is like we're beginning to see these threads that have been kind of woven throughout these past four seasons. We're kind of beginning to put them together. And we're, you know, to make new ones, and we're then we're gonna put those together. So we are this this is kind of where we are visibly beginning to see kind of the snowball beginning to form, this snowball effect of magic that we have been learning about, and experiences and and and creatures and bad things that are all just kind of slowly getting rolled together. Because Voldemort has a plan and he is carrying it out, and that plan we are slowly beginning to see unfold. So that is that with those those two things, those two threads are going to be very important for the upcoming season, and we're beginning to see ideas getting woven together for our uh you know characters to kind of chew through. So this is good this is gonna be interesting. If you if you know us something that you want to hear in the next season, definitely reach out now, because it's not too late. It's definitely not too late. Uh reach out if you want to hear something in season five. I would love to hear from you the potter discussion at gmail.com. That is the potter discussion at gmail.com. Uh, I think that is the end of our discussion today. Nice. You know, we've we've had a lot of long, intense episodes. I think I'm glad to have just, you know, uh uh a typical length. I guess it's not really typical anymore, but just a little breather. So I hope you could just kind of enjoy uh our wrap-up and look forward to season five. So like like I said, it is right around the corner. Reach out with anything you want to hear. But beyond that, if you have a friend who you think would enjoy the show, now is the perfect time to get them involved. We are beginning a whole new season that can start with us from the very beginning. Uh, I am very excited to welcome any new people to the show. So definitely share this show with someone else you think would enjoy it. Could be your favorite group chat, could be a friend of yours, could be your mom, whatever it is. If someone you know would enjoy the show, it would really uh mean a lot to me uh if you would reach out to them and share it. So it takes a few clicks, takes a few words, whatever it is, uh, that would really uh make a big difference. So anyway, I hope you enjoyed this episode. I certainly did. It's definitely a refreshing break from the chunks of of time that we have been uh working our way through through these complicated stories. So, all that to say, thank you for joining me again today. I will see you soon for season five. As always, remember that happiness can be found even in the darkest of times if one only remembers to turn on the light. I will see you all later.