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Pain Relief University
Ep 2 - Pain, Healing, and Physical Therapy
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In this episode, we interview Dr. Katherine Sylvester, an amazing physical therapist residing in Georgia. Join us as we discuss physical therapy from her perspective.
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Have you been searching for pain solutions that don't involve incisions, addictions, injections, medications, or complications? If yet, this podcast is for you. Pain Relief University's hope for everyone is that you stop suffering needlessly and experience relief naturally. May this podcast provide you the combination of remedies that make pain-free living your new reality. Let's get started. All right, here we go, here we go, here we go. So, you know, uh first, before we even get started, you know, I will say you have been one of the most uh influential people um in my Grenada Nut company journey and in my personal life. So I want to say thank you for that. And thank you for being the first person that we interviewed on the Pain Relief University podcast. For those that don't know, this is uh Dr. Catherine Sylvester, um physical therapist, and uh been in been in this space for over a decade now, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Matter of fact, why don't I do this? No one could probably tell your story better than you. So you tell your story, and then um let's just hop right into it.
SPEAKER_02Well, thank you for having me on, first of all. But um, yeah, I've been a PT for 10 years, and I have mainly worked in the hospital with patients that have brain injury, spinal cord injury, stroke. I did that my first five years. And then this next set of time, period of time, I've been working with moms and I help them, you know, if they leak after they have their babies, I help them get rid of that leakage and help them out with um if they have any issues having sex or losing weight or tighten up their core.
SPEAKER_00That's not you, you help them out with having sex. Like let's go there. What are they what kind of problems are the ladies having that you as a physical therapist are helping them with?
SPEAKER_02That's such a good question because you know a lot of people don't even think of us as working with people who have those types of issues. So if they have decreased intensity of orgasms or they can have pain with sex, it could either be upon insertion or with deep penetration. Um, sometimes orgasms are painful and that that can cause issues. But the reason is that sometimes they will have issues when they deliver their babies vaginally. Um then they can have some nerves that are compressed during that time period. And then if they have scar tissue from having a C-section, that scar tissue can attach to different places underneath their pelvis or within their pelvis, and that can cause them to have pain.
SPEAKER_00So wouldn't a doctor catch that? Like when they go back and do an all-day checkup?
SPEAKER_02That's a really good question. And to be honest with you, you would think that they would. And some doctors who are super thorough do. But there are so there are a couple of things. One, a lot of doctors will just say, Oh, that will go away. And so you never end up going back to that doctor because you think it's gonna go away, and when it doesn't go away, then you just think you're one of the people who it didn't go away, right? And then you see other moms who have those same issues, and so then you just think, oh, okay, it it's normal. Um, for my personal checkup with my OBGYN after I had this baby, he touched my knee for my six-week checkup. So normally they will do an internal assessment, yeah, and check to see if everything's still in the right place. And uh he asked me, Are you doing better than you were after you had the baby, right? And I was like, right, and that was it.
SPEAKER_00Okay, maybe I'm missing. I was missing something to make sure that you were internally fine. He touched your knee.
SPEAKER_02He touched my knee as a oh, that's good that good that you're doing well. Yeah, never went inside to check. And the internal assessment is what you need, right? So when you first have the baby, you don't want anybody in there, right? But at six weeks you want to know that everything's everything is everything. All right. Six weeks is time to go. Oh, honey, honey, yeah, it's long past time to go, but the medical industry says that it's time to go at that point, right? So yeah, yeah, it's problematic.
SPEAKER_00All right, so if any women out there listening and you've had decreased sensitivity towards sex or even painful orgasms or things like that, um think to come see you. But are there some things that they can do prior to come seeing you? I mean, this is way left from where I was planning on going. But I think for the people who are coming here, it's important, right? It's important, right? You know, and it's still pain relief, right? You know, if you're having painful sex, it makes you not want to have sex and that caused a whole bunch of other problems. So for the woman who's who is past six weeks from um having her child, be it the first or the seventh, and she's having pain, painful sex, and so now she doesn't want to have it, are there some things that she can do uh before coming to see a physical therapist uh that can help? Or do you recommend, hey, immediately go see a physical therapist, go see a doctor?
SPEAKER_02So I think there are two things. So one, a lot of moms who are gonna have C-sections, they find that out early on in the process, right? And so before they have their baby is something that they should be thinking about. So right after you have the baby, you can desensitize the area around the scar. And so you know where the scar is gonna be, typically it's around the bikini line. And moms can go ahead and get like a silk scarf and they can go around the incision area with that scarf because that desensitizes it. If you ever talk to a mom, and I won't say all moms who have c-sections, but a lot of them, the clothes going over the scar bothers them. And so if they can just use, right? And you think about it, like the material that I'm wearing now is more like woolly. That does not feel good over a scar, right? Or an area that is around an area that has had a scar. And so they can desensitize that area with different materials. I recommend starting out with silk or satin and then within a couple of weeks moving on to like a pillowcase type of material, and then after that, like a washcloth type of material. And that that desensitized the area so that, you know, when the your husband is trying to touch you in that area, you're not cringing. Because if you associate uh foreplay with pain and you're not a pain type of chick, then you're not, then your brain is like, I don't want any parts of that, right? And then you wonder why over time a woman's libido will go down, but it's like that same area that was sensitive, her person has been touching that, right? And so she can go ahead and desensitize. And then from there, I would say, then you want to call in a PT. Um, the other thing though is that if a mom is getting out of bed the wrong way or getting up and down the wrong way, then that can cause chronic pain across that scar. Or if she's had a vaginal birth and she's had those nerves compressed, then her standing up the wrong way can cause, can cause pain. The reason that I think she should have a PT to assess her if she does not have an OBGYN that has done the a thorough assessment, is because sometimes organs can move out of place during pregnancy. And so whether you've had a C-section or a vaginal delivery, if those organs are out of place, it puts pressure on the pelvic floor and can cause pain in the pelvis. And so if you are then, can you imagine you have an organ that's sitting lower than it should, then you have a penis that's coming in. It's hitting the organ or it's hitting the scar tissue or it's hitting, it's just extremely painful. And so getting that organ back into place is what we help with. So if we strengthen the pelvic floor muscles, then those organs are not pushing down. So then it's out of the way when the penis comes in.
SPEAKER_00Oh, so the guy's thinking he's doing a good job with naturality because organs are just out of place.
SPEAKER_02Yes, yes, halftime ain't doing a good job anyway.
SPEAKER_00You know, hey, hey, hey, I'm just playing.
SPEAKER_02I'm just playing.
SPEAKER_00We're doing the best that we can with what we have.
SPEAKER_02Um, but the other thing is vaginal dryness. And so our hormones are kind of off after we have babies. And so sometimes, especially if a woman is breastfeeding, she can be dry down there. And so the wetness is what makes it pleasurable for her. And so if she's dry and she's still trying to have sex, then that can cause pain too. And so just attending to her diet and just um making sure to drink enough water. Um PT can help them figure out some things to put down there so that they can replenish that wetness without uh causing problems to the baby. Because a woman who's breastfeeding is not gonna take estrogen, right? Because it can be passed to her baby through breast milk. And so I can just show her ways to keep that area moist so that when she does have sex, it's it's still pleasurable. And so she can be, yeah, just stay hydrated. If she were not to go to a physical therapist, that would be the first step, I would say.
SPEAKER_00Okay. No, so okay, and so I'm gonna put something in context. So for for my audience in terms of you, like you've helped a bunch of people that I know. You've helped my mom after she had both knees replaced, and um, and and she was in a dark place, and she was uh she was an OT as you know. Um but you were able to will her back to a mentally good place and then physically give her a regiment that was specific to her. And I've seen you do that with my wife Danette, I've seen you do it uh with a bunch of other people. I mean, heck, you even done it for me when the times that I've injured something. Um talk to me about your approach when you when you meet a new patient. Because I think it's different how you deal with patients. And then we'll get to the pain stuff, but I just think like how you approach it um makes people understand the importance of your field. Because uh, like I was telling you before, before I I had the injury that required surgery in the military, I never even heard of a physical therapist. I I didn't know that you guys existed, and then I couldn't tell the difference between a uh physical therapist and an occupational therapist. Um but after you know the experience and then now being in the same universe as somebody like you, I see the value in it. But uh more than but you particular, more than just you as a physical therapist going out there and restoring people, you individualize everything. So just just talk us through that.
SPEAKER_02You know, I feel like everybody is created so differently, right? And so just because you know, one person has had a knee replacement and the next person is not a knee replacement. Oh, well, you ready? Let me know when you're ready. Ready?
SPEAKER_00So just just talk to me about your approach as you uh meet new patients. Um I think it's rather unique, you know, and I'll say it this way. Most of the times when I go to a doctor, I can kind of tell exactly what they're gonna do. They go through the same process, the same thing, and they give the same regimented response. Like, for instance, recently when I went to go get my blood pressure checked, and I knew what they were gonna say, I knew what they were gonna do, I knew they was gonna try to make them put me on blood pressure medication without looking at me. They didn't even ask my historical blood pressure medication. I had to tell them, right? And so for me, that kind of lessens my reliability on doctors, but with you, you know, from the experience I've seen with you, like you tailor it to the person, like you go in depth. So just just tell me about the why you do that and how you approach it and and what kind of outcomes are you getting because you you you do this, and if there are any drawbacks for doing it this way.
SPEAKER_02So the why, I when I started working, I was told as a student, you know, you ask people these certain questions, and I heard students doing that, asking those same exact questions. So, can you tell me your name, your date of birth, and um how many stairs do you have to get into your house? Do you live with anyone who can help you? Those four questions over and over and over again. And it was like sometimes there were more questions that needed to be asked, but because they were so programmed to asking those questions, there was information that was left out. So I decided that when I did my own thing, I would have an hour-long consultation with moms before I even took them on as clients or as, you know, I guess as clients. So I called them and get to know their journey through pregnancy, right? And their journey through their delivery and why they reached out to me. And what I found is that I could tell at the end, can I actually help this person? Is this person someone that I should see or should I refer them? And if I could see them, then that meant that they had to then continue on with that level of transparency. Because if you think about the pelvic floor or the muscles that are inside of the pelvis, you think about sex, you think about people leaking. Those are embarrassing things that if you don't have trust between you and your healthcare provider, you will never mention it.
SPEAKER_01Right?
SPEAKER_02And so that's what I found is that the more I ask, the more they tell, the more they tell, the easier it is for me to treat them. Because then I can put all the puzzle pieces together. If you're only telling me a certain thing, then you can I can only go so far in helping you recover.
unknownGotcha.
SPEAKER_02Holistically. And so I have to ask them the questions that need to be asked to the point where even if I don't ask, then they go ahead and tell me. And that has made the biggest difference for me. And so I might have a mom and I go to her and I say, Well, what are you eating? And she says, Oh, I'm eating this. And she's used to people saying, Okay. And I'm like, no, send me a picture because I don't need to know, you know, just what are you eating, but how much of what you're eating, what did you season it with? What are you drinking? When are you drinking? Right? Like, I need to know these things so that I can.
SPEAKER_00All our viewers and listeners, this is the truth. This is what she actually does. So when I have my blood pressure every day, like the ingredients on the package list I had to send. Like I was like, oh my God, this is crazy. But my blood pressure is back to normal without medication.
SPEAKER_02So right, right. Thank you. So that's what I'm seeing. Is that go ahead?
SPEAKER_00No, go ahead.
SPEAKER_02I was just gonna say that when I have that information, then I can help moms because think about it. If I know that caffeine makes you leak, I know that a mom might say, Oh, I'm at I only drink one cup of coffee in the morning. Um, and so if I let, if I gloss over that and don't realize that her cup of coffee is 36 ounces, then she doesn't realize that, hey, we could take that 36 down to eight, a real cup of coffee, and you could possibly not leak as much, right? And then moms don't realize that that glass of wine at night, that's not this much that they give you at the restaurant, but a whole glass of wine could be what's causing her to leak. And so it's those little things. Or a whole bottle of wine, yeah, um, could be causing problems. And so that's the on the small scale. It's like if I look at a mom's diet and what she's eating, that can eliminate a lot of her issues with leaking, but also with pain. There are some women who have chronic pelvic pain and it's all about what they're eating. And so I can look at that, let them know what's what foods are inflammatory, what foods are causing your bladder to be irritated, because an irritated bladder can become a painful bladder, right? And so I love individualizing because this other woman may not drink coffee, that might not be her issue, but her issue might be the wine, or it might not be the wine, but it might be the coke. And so if I don't know those things, then I can't help them. Because I can give them pelvic floor strengthening exercises all I want, and I can teach them how to modify how they get into and out of bed and into and out of the car and how to strengthen their pelvic floor. But the other thing is that sometimes someone's pelvic floor is too tight. So if I talk to someone and they seem super anxious, then that gives me an idea of what their pelvic floor is doing. And a pelvic floor that is too tight does not allow, want to allow anything in, so that can be the cause of painful intercourse, right? And it it has a hard time relaxing to push a baby out. So if I'm seeing someone before they have the baby, I can teach them how to relax their pelvic floor as opposed to just doing, you know, squeezes at the traffic light, which is what everybody says, right? And the OBGYN that says that, you know, it's like she could be doing them at the light, and now her pelvic floor is so tight that she can't deliver a baby properly, right? And then she tears during delivery. So I just think that if you don't individualize someone's healthcare plan, then you're really doing them a disservice, right? And it's funny because sometimes, you know, you talk with me about doing no harm. It's like you can do harm by giving someone the wrong treatment plan, but you can also do harm by not taking all of who they are into account when you treat them.
SPEAKER_00No, that makes sense. That makes sense. Um, let me ask you a question then. So I know I've been ODing on the linen. Um, that's okay. So I hadn't gotten into because we have pains too. Um when you what are the typical reasons a person comes to see uh a physical therapist? Like what what happened? And what kinds of pains do they have, and just things of that nature.
SPEAKER_02Gotcha. So a lot of times if someone decides to come to physical therapy, it is because they have some type of a pain. But in the hospital, a lot of the times it's an accident or something has happened and they couldn't breathe at home, so they come to the hospital with breathing issues, or they get into, you know, get into crax and they've broken bones, or they've had a stroke, or a spinal cord injury, something that they cannot manage at home so they come to the hospital. But in terms of because there are so many different facets of physical therapy, which I think there are so many that we wouldn't be able to talk about all of them on the podcast. But um pain is what I think drives people. Thank you. Yes, you can, and I love it. But yeah, most people will not go to therapy if they're not in some type of pain, right? Or and it's either physical pain or the pain of not being able to do something that they really, really want to do. Like I had a lady yesterday and she said that she put off, and I always ask people this because she had a total knee replacement. And I asked her, How long were you in pain before you decided to have the surgery? I asked everyone that. And she said, five years. And I said, What made you decide to have the surgery now? And she said, My daughter is having a child, and I want to be able to get on the floor with my grandchild and play with her. And I thought, pain will either, I mean, it will drive you to make decisions, or you'll suffer with that pain and never address it, right? And people are on two opposite ends of the spectrum. Some people are like, I hate that I can't get down there with my grandkids, but they're not doing anything about it. And you have that other person who's like, I'll go through surgery and the rehab and everything that that comes along with that so that I can be what I need to be for my grandchild.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I think my mom, she waited, it was either 10 years or 20 years, I can't remember before she went to go have surgery. And then once she got one knee replaced, within like 90 days, she got the other. I'm like, I Right. I can't.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Um It's like when they experience that relief, they're like, uh, why not? Why not do the other side?
SPEAKER_00Right. Let me ask you a question then. So what separates you from an occupational therapist? Like what are those differences? Y'all like to me like twins, but right?
SPEAKER_02So yes, we do, and I think it makes for the perfect marriage, to be honest with you, from between professions. So as a PT, I feel that what I do is is enhanced by what an occupational therapist says, and vice versa. And so if you think about things like brushing your teeth, combing your hair, showering, things that make you you and make you ready to get out of the house. That's what I think about with an occupational therapist, um, or something that helps you function in a specific role, like vacuuming or doing laundry. It's like, what things do you have to be able to do to be able to function in your role? And then with physical therapy, I feel like it is you are rehabbing the person so that they can function in life. And whatever that means, so if it's strengthening your legs or strengthening your arms or getting your balance back, it is it is helping someone return to function in that regard. And it's not that an OT couldn't help with that, it's that an OT focuses more on the grooming, dressing, bathing. Um, and and because of that, people will say, oh, P OTs do arms and PTs do legs, and that's just not the case. It's that I know, it doesn't sound right.
SPEAKER_00But it makes it sound like that's how bad information gets passed around. Like it sounds, oh yeah, OT does arms and PT does legs. Okay, I got it, but it's wrong, got it.
SPEAKER_02It's wrong, right? But because you use your hands to comb your hair, which is grooming, and you use your hands to brush your teeth, then you can think, oh, an OT does arms. But it's that you also need endurance to get to the bathroom to brush your teeth, right? And to comb your hair and stuff like that. So they work on that endurance and they work on helping you conserve your energy. They do a lot of that. They also help with if someone has to take pills, organizing those pills so that they can take them and take them the right way. And so an occupational therapist gets there, right? Where PT, I think, looks at the total body system and helps you function in those roles, but also in roles outside of the home.
SPEAKER_00Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
SPEAKER_02And then OTs also you see them focus a lot on driving and helping people return to driving. You don't always see PTs in that role, but but they do that as well. So I think it crosses over a lot. But if I wanted to separate it out, I would say we help with life and they help you get prepared to do whatever it is that you want to do in life.
SPEAKER_00No, that makes sense. Uh that makes a lot of sense. So let me ask you a question then. So you as a physical therapist, um In regards to your industry, in regards to your industry's ability to take care of patients and return them and restore them to life, what keeps you up at night? What and you know, and then what frustrates you most about just being a physical therapist?
SPEAKER_02So I love, love, love being a physical therapist. I love it. You know that. I think that the thing, there are two things that frustrate me. One would be, or what keeps me up at night, let me say that, is trying to figure out what can I do to get people to get buy-in before they end up at the total knee replacement stage, right? So in your 20s, you want to run marathons. So a lot of people will run marathons, but never train the muscles that they need to run a marathon, right? They just get out and start running because most people will tell you, you want to run a marathon? Start out doing a mile a day. And then in two weeks, go up to two miles, and in three weeks, go up to three miles. Nobody tells you to sit down and stand up to strengthen those muscles or to do, to put weight on your legs and strengthen your quads, right? Like they want it's it's like you think I'm gonna do this and my body will just adapt. Nobody tells you that low back pain may come with you pounding on that pavement or to change your tennis shoes every, they'll say every three months. So I recommend you change your tennis shoes every three months. How do you know that I'm not wearing my shoes down every three weeks, right? Um, do I need inserts to accommodate for the way that my specific foot hits the ground versus, you know, I may be flat footed and you may have a high arch, right? And so I want people to buy into being healthy before they get sick. And and the fact that people don't bothers me, right? Because people don't understand why it's important to watch their diet. Or I mean, then they in theory they do, but then if you watch what they eat, then they don't. And in theory, people, right?
SPEAKER_00I know I'm not talking about I love my research, I love my gummy bears, it's my lifesaver's like I understand. But people, I'm drinking water.
SPEAKER_02I'm proud of you. I'm proud of you.
SPEAKER_00I understand the struggle is real. The struggle is right.
SPEAKER_02So as a PT, if I could make everyone buy into being healthy and knowing what that meant for them, that that would make me sleep better at night.
unknownRight.
SPEAKER_02Okay. Now, in terms of oh, go ahead. No, go ahead. You said you get it, right?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um I I want to change that. And and one person at a time, I feel like I am changing that, right? Because when I go into the hospital, I can help someone set, you know, with their mindset because they come in and they have been injured, and now I can tell them, look, this is what you need to do, this is how long it may take, and and then get their individual goals. So then I know that they'll stay on track to achieve that, right? But then from an industry standpoint, I think that what bothers me is that people rely so much on pain medication or just medication in general to solve every problem. And so if someone says I can't sleep, then they go to a doctor who will give them sleep medicine. I'm in pain, they go to a doctor who will prescribe them opioids. Um, I'm dizzy, they go to a doctor that's gonna get rid of their dizziness. I have high blood pressure, right? And it could just be from a car accident. And then the doctor says, hey, let me put you on blood pressure medication. The problem is they put you on that blood pressure medication, then you have an issue with, let's say, water retention. So then they're like, oh, let me get you something to get rid of that fluid. And then you're on something to get rid of the fluid that drops your blood pressure, then they put you on a medication and put your blood pressure back up. And then it's just it causes so many problems when we could just change our lifestyles, and that would help, right? So my biggest barrier is that people want me to condone them going on these diets and you know, drinking these shakes instead of just eating the right way, right? Or exercising to get rid of pain. I have so many, and and I love, I respect surgeons who say, I'm not doing your surgery because you're overweight. Because the pain that you're having, yeah, you do have bone-on-bone issues, but if you didn't have so much extra weight on you, then your knees wouldn't be hurting the way that they are, right?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And so why not just exercise to get rid of the pain? And and I know that that it takes a longer time, right? So if I say I need you to, I need to lose 40 pounds to have pain relief, then people will say, Oh, I'll just go have surgery and get rid of that weight. Like that is my biggest frustration. There are natural ways to get rid of pain. And you guys have created one. And you even have people who are like, I don't want to try anything natural, I'm used to taking a pill. And I'm like, wow, right? You'd rather take a pill and you know what it's doing to your kidneys, you know what it's gonna do to your liver long term. And and people will say, Oh, if I just knew, if if they just if you just told them, no, you tell them, and they are used to taking the medicine, so they don't want to come off of it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you know, that pain management program, whatever they have, that that that's like their Bible. We have one nurse, she's a good friend of ours, like she takes um uh pain meds and she's always in pain. We're like, listen, try out. I'm like, wait, we have hundreds of people that are nope, I'm good. So you'd rather just stay there and hurt than try to do something that could possibly change. And that's uh that's a lot of people, and that's unfortunate. But that's why we have people like you. Um, because like now you're going out, you're putting stuff on YouTube, you got your own Facebook group uh for your mommies, and you're posting stuff on Instagram. Um I know this is not the end, but share with your your your handle so people can find you because you know for the listeners, uh, she puts out stuff every day on on health. Like uh she favors moms, she favors, but you know, we've worked on it. She helped guys too. She helped guys too. So yeah. Um, but you know, where are you on social media that people can find you to get some of this natural approach to health, to healthy living?
SPEAKER_02So rediscover your music. You can find me everywhere on that with that. My website is rediscoveryourmusic.com, and then my Facebook page is also rediscover your music. And then I have another page where guys are more than welcome. I mean, you're welcome to both, because here's the thing, right? You need to know what your woman is going through so that you can help her. Because I think a lot of guys who are on my my Facebook page, they're able to understand their women more because they can see from a from a woman from woman to woman what we go through. And when they see that, then they're able to help. And so that's rediscovery music. And then scar massage is uh also a page that I have on Facebook. It's called um From Scars to Beauty Marks. And you can find me though at ScarMassage, uh Facebook.com slash scar massage. And it is for all scars. I started out helping moms who had C-sections because I realized that they were having the most problem with pain, with numbness, with the decreased orgasms, with losing um abdominal fat. But then I took this course and I got into releasing scars, 60 scars. I did them in 30 days, and it was all kinds of scars: gunshot wounds, lung removal, open heart surgery, car accidents, um, Achilles tendon repairs. And I was like, this scar tissue stuff is crazy. And if I could just help, go ahead.
SPEAKER_00But talk about the the the relief and the the benefits the people who receive the scars, uh the scar reliefs. Because, you know, I've had um um surgery in the military and and you did mine, and it was so interesting the the relief that that was provided afterwards. I've seen you do um Danette, um her scar, and I've seen you do other people, and I know you've done other people. Like, what are some of the benefits? So some of these people are carrying scars for 10, 15, 20 years. And so they just think it's just this ugly thing that's a reminder of something, and they don't know the the baggage that they're carrying emotionally and physically. So just just talk about like and you can even call out a couple of people that you've worked with, like how they were before and then what they were afterwards. Because I this is this is one of those areas that people don't know that you can harbor pain in, you know. Because I didn't know. I'm just like, okay, this is just a reminder of my scar. I didn't know that there was all this other stuff attached to it until until you.
SPEAKER_02Oh, I so you know I I love scars. Okay, so one lady that comes to mind, she had a keloid scar and it was right across the front of her knee. She had a total knee replacement, and she was told she was in number one, she was in a lot of pain. And number two, she was told by her doctor that she got all the motion that she was gonna get back, and she should be grateful for the motion that she got back. It was months. She was going to PT for like six months, and she wasn't getting any more emotion. So he refused to approve her for more therapy sessions. So she came to me directly and was like, is there anything I can do? And I said, How much work has your therapist been doing on your scar? And she said, None. My therapist doesn't touch my scar. And I said, Okay, let's get to work. Right. So emotionally, mentally, you know, for a woman, when we wear dresses, we don't want keloid scars on our knees. Y'all don't think about that, but it's like, you don't want that, right? Because then you end up, your wife goes from wearing mini skirts to the grandma's dress, and you're like, okay, what happened? Right. And the appearance of the scar matters. And so I was able to help her learn how to massage her own scar, taught her exercises, pool therapy, just different things that she could do uh to minimize her scar. Asked you to make me so a scar uh potion, right? Which you made and it was wonderful. Uh, because it not only addressed the look of her scar, but it was able to get rid of the pain so that she could work her scar. Because the problem is if a scar is painful, you don't want to touch it, right? But if you put something on it beforehand and then you're able to massage it, you can get through that PT session a lot easier and and you're more willing to go back and do it the next day. And so over long story short, over the course of four months, her keloid scar was removed, and um, she was able to go from getting maybe a hundred and a hundred degrees to about a hundred and forty degrees of knee bending, and she just she was amazed, and it's like what people don't understand is if a scar is restricting your movement, that restricted movement over time will result in pain. And so restore the movement will decrease the pain, right? And keloid scars are just a different beast altogether, so they do take more time than other scars to get rid of. But um, but that's that's one story. But what the most impactful story I think that helped me to realize that the impact that scars can have is there was a lady and she had a baby 26 years before she saw me. So she had a C-section and she had been living with pain for 26 years. And her doctor told her, if you want to get rid of the pain, just let me cut you open and get rid of the scar tissue. So in her mind, that makes sense, right? If the scar tissue is causing pain, I'll just have surgery get the scar tissue removed and all should be well. But what you don't think about is scar tissue will come back if you have that surgery, right? Because scar tissue in and of itself is not bad. It is scar tissue that is not tamed. It's like a two-year-old in and of them, they're not bad. But if you let them wreak havoc around your house, then they will be, right? And then the problem with scar tissue is that it gets stronger over time. And so if you've never addressed it, it's like putting, it's like one two-year-old is bad enough. But if you put 10 two-year-olds in one room together, they they can really cause issues, right?
SPEAKER_00That's when you run away.
SPEAKER_02Right, right. And so you think about someone who's so she had that scar for 26 years when I released it. Um, and it only took, when I tell you, it took maybe 20 minutes. She was in tears. And initially I was like, okay, I know this hurts some people, but I really was not expecting it to hurt this badly. She's like, I'm not crying because it's hurting. She was like, I'm crying because I never thought that I would be separated from this pain. It had become a part of me. And after you took your hands off of me, I was pain-free for the first time in 26 years. But it gets better. Let me tell you, it gets better because she stood up. Her pants almost fell down. Now, you know, we it was it was wonderful. She had had been not only harboring the the pain, um, the mental fatigue of dealing with that pain, but she was harboring a lot of belly fat um and a lot of uh fluid was getting trapped in her stomach. And so with the release, a lot of the times the toxins are able to go out of the lymph nodes where they're supposed to. And she was able to tighten up her pants um because she had lost so much weight around her stomach during that time. Yeah, it was it was it was amazing.
SPEAKER_00You gave her motion back, you relieved the pain that's been there for 26 years. And she lost weight, and she got yeah. Her, her husband, her kid, and your fans are yours, too. Everybody. That's what's up, though. That's what's up. Do me a favor, and before we wrap up, you said your your site was rediscover your music. What does music stand for?
SPEAKER_02Music is an acronym, yes, for muscle flexibility, urinary continence, which means not leaking, sexual fulfillment, internal confidence, and core stability. And I look at those things through the lens of a mom or a woman's diet, exercise, sleep patterns, social interactions, and stress because that all impacts her ability to rehab to the to her fullest capacity.
SPEAKER_00Gotcha, gotcha. Well, I am so glad. Like you're our first, right? You have to um the impact you've had on the two household cannot be measured. Um, the friendship um extends beyond time, and so we're grateful. And so I'm happy to have you on here so that everybody can see um what makes you excited. You know, I think uh the only thing that's more exciting to you than healing someone is your your kids, right? Um and I and it's just it's just amazing to see. So so thank you for giving us some of your time. And um are there any last words as we conclude the very first uh pain relief university interview?
SPEAKER_02You know what's funny when you asked that, because I was gonna ask you if I could say something. Do you know these things? Yeah. Um is it no, you're I'm really happy that you're doing this. I feel like pain is one of those things that until you experience it, and I do not want to cry on this fine, until you experience it, um, you don't really know how badly it can impact someone from a mental standpoint. And with my patients, I feel like I take on their pain because they are so open with me about how it's impacted them. And so when I first tried your product on a couple of patients or let them use it, I wouldn't say I tried it on them. I saw the pain that they were in. And some of them could not get pain medicine, either because they've taken it and now they have to wait four more hours before they can take it again, or they had an addiction and they just don't want to try anything because they're afraid that they'll fall back into those addictive behaviors. Um, or they have been in pain for so long and tried so many different things that nothing is effective anymore. I don't know if you've ever seen someone go from, you know, they're at this level and then they're put on a higher level and on a higher level, and then they get to a point where it doesn't work. It was like every person that used what you all created had pain relief for the first time in a long time. And so for you to now put this together where you realize that yes, you have a solution. There are also other solutions out there that are that can work in conjunction with what you have. Because I think about it, I had there's a lady, and you know, you ask about stories that are impactful. She had arthritis. And I know when I when it happened, I just wanted to pick up and call, pick up the phone and call you right away. She had pain that was that lasted for weeks, and she was laying in the bed and and her daughter was watching her helpless. She just, what do you do when your family member's in pain? And I had someone yesterday say that. He's like to watch my wife be in pain and feel like I'm helpless, I can't do anything, that's the worst feeling that a man can have. And I would say for the girl who was watching her mom in pain, that was the worst feeling that she could have. So for me to be able to spray on her hands what you all created, and then her to be able to sleep for the first time in three weeks. Yeah, it is life-changing. And as a therapist, you look at that and you're like, you don't even want to do therapy. I walked out, I let her sleep, right? But then I was like, next day it's on, because I'm gonna spray it on her. Once she gets that relief, we're gonna be doing some exercises, right? And so it's every therapist's dream to have something that you can just give to your patient, then be able to use it. And then the session is that much more productive because nobody wants to do anything in pain. And you don't want to make people do things when they're in pain. But it's like up until now, I felt like we don't really have good options. It's either everything that we could give them is going to affect their body system down the line in some way, or you can put something on them and it's full of chemicals, which I would never put on myself. And so I am grateful to you all, not only for having me on the podcast, but for giving me something, access to something that I can give to my patients and feel good about it when I go home, right? Like that helps me sleep at night. So thank you.
SPEAKER_00Awesome, awesome. I mean, it's it's been an experience um creating meg relief. Uh we didn't see that coming, right? You know, we're going in a different direction. But um I knew when it worked on me, and then more importantly, when it worked on my mom, I said, okay, we gotta do something with this, and then to see it work on you know my sister, um, and then you know, just other people work on Jeanette, uh, it's okay, yeah, we gotta get this out of there. Um so it's been a good journey. But to hear medical professionals, you know, doctors like yourself also say, hey, yep, I've seen the results that uh in a way validates us uh and keeps us going, right? You know, because this particular space is a particularly challenging space because we're going up against really big competitors, but we know that what we have works, and um, and we just want to share with as many people as possible who don't want that uh chemicals or the rest of it uh becoming addictive. So so thank you for that, because that that those words mean a lot. So but with that, that is the end of our time of part one. We're gonna bring you back.
SPEAKER_02Thank you.
SPEAKER_00But thank you, thank you, thank you. And uh this is it. So, people, if you want to reach out to Catherine, if you have scars that you've been dealing with for years, it doesn't matter if it's three decades or three days, she's the person. If you're a mom that has uh leakage, um you know, just unfulfillment or pain during sex or incontinence, like she is the person that check her out. So go to rediscoveryourmusic.com, set up some time with her, go on Instagram, beg her to get on the Facebook group. You will not, you will not regret it. Uh I, you know, um she's helped several people in our household and friends, so I I know it's gonna be a treat. So, but thank you guys, and we'll see you next time. Bye.
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SPEAKER_00That wraps up another episode of Pain Relief University. I hope that you were able to find something in this episode that you can use and apply to your life to get you one step closer to that pain-free lifestyle. Please like and subscribe to our podcast. Also, leave a testimony that helps us be seen by more people. And lastly, if there's somebody out there that you know that is struggling with joint pain, share this with them. No one should have to be stuck with joint pain. And hopefully, now they know they have options. Alright now. See you next time. Be blessed.