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I do love a good cup of tea
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A decent cup brings out the
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best in me Since the
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English began taxing our
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tea It's like they're
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stealing from you and me
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I do love a good cup of tea
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A decent cup brings out the
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best in me But now to
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assert our liberty We have
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to drink this awful tea But
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I am willing for my family
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And all the people of the
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colonies to give up my
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delicious Indian tea and
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drink this cup of Liberty.
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I do love a good cup of tea.
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A decent cup brings out the best in me.
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So the English think they can tax our tea.
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No, they'll not steal from you and me.
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Bravo.
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Thank you.
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Welcome, everyone,
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to the Revolution 250 podcast.
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I am Bob Allison.
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I chair the Rev 250 Advisory Group,
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and we are a consortium of
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groups planning ways to
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commemorate the beginnings
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of American independence.
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And we have with us today
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two people who've done
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something really exciting
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in commemorating the
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beginnings of American independence.
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Ruth Ann Paulson,
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who is the proprietor of
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Performing Arts
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Inspirations in Northfield, Mass.
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And Deb Potey, Deborah Potey,
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who is an educator, school social worker,
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and also a writer of history.
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Deb has written the book,
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Ruthann's written the music
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and the lyrics for a
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musical called Oh That Dreadful Tea.
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So Ruthann and Deb, thanks for joining us.
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Thank you for inviting us.
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So what gave you this idea
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of doing a musical about
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the Boston Tea Party?
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Can I go, Ruthann?
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Sure.
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I had been volunteering for
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a while in both my
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daughters' elementary school classes.
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So I have two daughters.
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And so with the older one,
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I had done Reader's Theater with them.
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And at the same time,
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Ruthann was running the
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Cardboard Box Theater Company.
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And so my daughters were in those classes.
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productions.
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And I wanted to bring
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theater into schools
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because theater is an
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opportunity to be able to
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be something different
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other than who you are and
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kids love to dress up.
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And so I had been working
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with my daughter's class
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and they were very, very talented, very
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articulate, you know,
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fun group of students.
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And I thought, oh, you know,
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we'll do Reader's Theater
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for a little while and then
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maybe we'll get to a play.
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And I've been looking around
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for just a small play to
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introduce them to, you know,
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the whole class,
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not just the kids that
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Ruthann had been working with.
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And when I was looking up,
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I like history a lot.
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I was a history major in
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college and I couldn't find a short,
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well-written play.
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And I decided just to write my own.
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And I don't know why the
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Boston Tea Party stuck with me,
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but I think I was,
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I just very much interested
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in history and I wanted the students to,
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I wanted the teacher to let
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me be in the classroom.
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So I knew it had to be an educational,
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And so I also love this book
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called Mr. Revere and I by Robert Lawson.
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Oh, it's a great book.
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I read it as a kid multiple times.
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And I thought, oh, I'll abridge it.
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I'll make it much shorter.
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I won't have the lead
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character who's a horse,
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who's Mr. Revere's horse.
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but I will take snippets in
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particular scenes that I
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still find very funny today
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and write this short play.
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And the play introduces the
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concept of all the
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different taxes and how
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outraged the citizens are,
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and then focuses
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specifically on just all
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the events leading up to
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the Boston Tea Party and
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then the next day.
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And it felt fine,
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but it also felt really short.
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So one day after doing this
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production with my
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daughter's fifth grade class,
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I ran into Ruthanne and
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Ruthanne and I were friends.
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She was my daughter's piano teacher.
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She also had been teaching
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my girls in the cardboard box theater.
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And she was also my tap dance teacher.
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We tapped together and I
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knew how talented she was.
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And I said,
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there's something about this
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play I think it needs to be
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expanded and I think it
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would do really well with
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some songs um and she was
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game so um she took the
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script because she hadn't I
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don't know she had seen she
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had come to see some of my
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my plays at the elementary
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school but I don't think
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she had seen that play and
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so she you know you go you
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you go next ruthanne tell
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tell us tell everyone what
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you did with it
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I took the script and I
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looked at all of the words
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and I you know took the
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information and of course
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I'm a rhymer so it don't
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rhyme because that's the
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way I do my music and yeah
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so I also wanted the
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tunes and the energy of the
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songs to match what was
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happening in that scene so
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I tried to write it that
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way um and uh yeah it was a
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lot of fun and I have
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already been writing um it
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didn't take long because
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I've at that time for those
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that was the end of like 10
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years that I'd already been
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writing all these musicals.
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And I think I'd already
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written about 40 musicals
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for the Cardboard Box Theater.
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So it was just part of my brain.
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And the information was great.
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So the play itself said
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everything that needed to
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be said and it was
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organized very well so that I could
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put it in order in the song
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and just make it, you know, fun,
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obviously, for the kids.
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And as I said before,
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I like everything to rhyme,
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so I think that helps them connect to it.
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Great.
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Can you tell us a little, Rosanne,
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about the cardboard box theater,
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what that is?
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The Cardboard Box Theater.
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Well,
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it was me leading theater classes and
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we did skits and improv and
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all this stuff.
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And then we would come up
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with an idea for a play.
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And sometimes it was based on like a story,
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loosely based on a story,
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a picture book or something.
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But often it was just based on an idea.
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And I would ask the kids, like, oh, well,
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you know,
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what character do you want to
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have in this play or be in this play?
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And then maybe, you know,
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somebody says a flying pig.
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And so I would, you know,
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somehow incorporate that.
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And with the kids' ideas and input,
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then I would go home and...
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whip off this eight scene
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play and write about four
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songs for it and come back
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and choreograph the whole thing.
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And we made cardboard sets.
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And my daughter,
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I'm not like a super artist or anything.
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So my daughter helped in that area.
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And so the sets, believe it or not,
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were actually pretty substantial.
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A lot of cardboard.
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Wow, that's amazing.
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So yeah, we put all those on for the town.
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Great, great.
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And what ages were performing?
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Seven to 12.
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And then I think as like,
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as Deb's daughter got older, I think,
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I think Vivi was still in it.
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Yeah.
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And she came as a teenager.
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I had a little crew that started,
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I think Vivi started at age four.
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And then she was, yeah,
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maybe 14 when I moved, actually.
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I live in Gloucester now,
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so that's where our operations is now,
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by the way.
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Thanks.
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And so I know I've seen a
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video of a performance of this.
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Has it been done more than
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for your group groups?
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no it's uh what so so we did
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this production uh with the
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music with the three I
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remember she literally I
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gave her the script and
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like maybe a week later she
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said oh I've written the
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songs and I was like great
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and we put it on um so that was in um 20
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I think I read it in 2014.
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We did it with my daughter's
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class just as a straight play.
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And then with my niece,
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who is a year younger,
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we added the songs and it
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was done at the elementary school.
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And it was great.
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And we thought, oh, you know,
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we really need to try to do
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it again and try to capture
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this in some format.
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And Hamilton had just come on the scene.
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And so I remember vividly
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going to Ruthann saying, hey,
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let's add a rap or let's add,
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I think it needs an introduction,
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an introduction song, right?
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And so she's like, okay.
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The two of us,
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we were good friends and we
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were always up to
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collaborate on something fun like this.
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And so she went back and she
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wrote this rap to add to the beginning.
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And I...
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wanted very much to get the
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group of students that we
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knew so well who were just
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really talented.
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And I wanted to have it
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filmed because I felt very
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strongly that this,
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also based upon the fifth
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grade teacher who I had
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been working with for a
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long time doing other plays,
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she kept saying to me,
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this is not an inconvenience
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having you come in because
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this is helping me meet all
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of these common core
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standards that I have to meet for DESE,
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for the Department of
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Elementary and Secondary Education.
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And she basically said,
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you're doing all this work
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that I can claim as my own.
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And I thought, which was fine.
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And I just thought, oh,
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this would be so perfect as
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a curriculum to have both this play
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find an interested music teacher,
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hopefully, at the elementary school.
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And you can also do the read
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aloud of Mr. Revere and I.
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And I also had a list of
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all the vocab words that
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students could learn, right?
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And memorize, you know.
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I'm not a teacher,
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but I value education deeply.
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And I just thought...
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we should just kind of package this.
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And to be able to do that,
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we have to have it documented, right?
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So that other people can replicate it.
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I wrote a cultural council
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grants to pay for a
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professional to come and
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film it with the added wrap.
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And then Ruth and I,
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Ruthanne and I ran around
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collecting students who are
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now seventh graders and fifth,
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sixth and seventh graders.
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I think that the, the, the,
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one of the younger ones was my daughter,
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my younger daughter, Juliet, who is,
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I can't remember what she was,
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maybe she was six or seven.
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And we got the local high
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school to let us use their
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space for almost no money.
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And
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then we had it filmed.
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And that's really all that
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has happened with it.
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So we have this idea and
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this wish so much that we
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would just love to have
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everyone in the state of
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Massachusetts have access
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to this play or this curriculum.
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Because I know it's very
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expensive when you go
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online to find something like this.
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It's sometimes just not
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possible to afford it
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because there's no money in
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budgets for things like this.
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right so you're inviting
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people to pick this up make
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it available to people
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right yeah so it's not it's
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gone nowhere essentially
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yeah it's nowhere yet but
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then your hope is that
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every school in
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massachusetts will be
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performing this I just
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think that would be
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incredible it would be yeah
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I was a classroom teacher for 20 years.
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And so my personal opinion
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is that they read this book
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and then they do this play
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and it's organized so well.
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The narrator first tells everything
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And then the next thing that
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happens is the kids, you know,
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perform it.
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And then there's the songs
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that reinforce everything.
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And they're, you know,
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all the songs are choreographed.
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So they're using their body
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to also remember all that information.
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And I just think it's a
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beautifully packaged piece
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of educational material.
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So why don't we hear another of the songs?
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We have a couple queued up.
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We have Tea and Taxes.
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Would that be a good one to hear next?
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Oh, sure.
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Taxes, taxes and tea.
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Let's dump it on the seas as we,
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the sons of liberty.
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Tea and taxes, taxes and tea.
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But orders from the king, you see,
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threaten to stop our ride over tea.
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Oh, bring it on, your majesty.
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We are the sons of liberty.
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Tea and taxes, taxes and tea.
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Let's dump it on the sea, says we,
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the sons of liberty.
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Tea and taxes, taxes and tea.
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Let's take action.
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No more distraction.
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Let's flavor that tea with
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salt water and give liberty cheer.
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Hey, tea in Texas, Texas and tea.
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Let's dump it on the seas as we,
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the sons of liberty.
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Tea in Texas, Texas and tea.
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Well,
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you hear a song like that and you
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don't believe it was just
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written within the last 10 years.
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It's timeless.
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It's really pretty well done.
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Well, thank you.
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We're talking with Deb Poti
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and Ruth Ann Paulson,
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who have collaborated on a play,
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Oh That Dreadful Tea,
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really geared to help elementary school,
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junior high school kids,
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high school kids learn
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about the American
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Revolution through
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performing this great play.
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About how long is the
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running time of the play?
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It's just under half an hour.
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from the rap to the very end.
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What's great, I think,
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about this play is that it
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can be done with a small
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classroom of maybe 10 students.
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It can be expanded easily to
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25 plus with non-speaking parts.
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They could have multiple narrators.
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It's very versatile in that way.
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The songs are very easy to sing.
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Yeah.
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The two we've heard so far
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certainly are very catchy tunes as well.
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Can you tell us more about
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Performing Arts Inspirations, Roseanne?
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Okay, so Performing Arts Inspirations,
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when I was in Northfield, I ran theater,
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dance, and music classes.
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Since then, and the Cardboard Box Theater,
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was huge.
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That was the core of it.
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Now I live in Gloucester and
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I teach for Manchester by
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the sea park and rec.
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So after school,
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I run my performing arts inspirations.
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And I teach private lessons, I teach piano,
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guitar, ukulele, voice,
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and I also teach theater there as well.
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I also have a YouTube channel,
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which is Musical Story Time with Ruthann.
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um because I go to the
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libraries um and I sing I
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perform and sing with all
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the little with the little
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kids um the um younger age
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children their families um
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and it's all my music um
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and so my uh youtube
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channel is songs that I've
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written for um you know uh
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preschool children.
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That's where I am right now.
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Yes, I'm always writing.
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That's good.
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Yeah.
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Deb,
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you spent years as a children's librarian,
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a school librarian.
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You did mention having
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trouble finding good things
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on history for this age.
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Robert
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books that got me into being an historian.
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And so I'm really wondering
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if you have thoughts about I mean,
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writing your own is one
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thing people can do,
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but other thoughts on how
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we can improve the
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literature for children,
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particularly about the about history.
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Well,
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I guess my experience just
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as just an ordinary,
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especially talented person
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is that the things that-
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Don't sell yourself short.
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Most of us are ordinary,
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non-talented people.
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Well, I'm not Ruthann,
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but I just think the opportunity to
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bring theater into schools.
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You know,
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I don't think that there are many
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schools that have the
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capacity to be able to do theater.
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I know I work as a school
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adjustment counselor in a
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public high school in Greenfield,
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Greenfield High School.
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And only this past year were
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we able to bring
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theater back.
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So now I'm a co-director of, uh,
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for the theater program.
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And because we, for example,
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don't have a chorus, uh,
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and we have a part-time, uh,
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band director, there is no,
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no way we could ever hold a musical, um,
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for example, at our high school,
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because we just don't have
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the staff and we're just, you know,
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there might, might be schools,
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other schools,
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well in wealthier communities, uh, in,
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uh,
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Central and Western, sorry,
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Central and Eastern Mass,
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but out here in Western Mass,
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it's a struggle.
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Rural schools don't have the
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same capacity.
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So I think any time there's
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an opportunity for young
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people to get involved in theater,
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It's easy to do,
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to take a book that's in
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public domain and craft it
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and make it something
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that's gonna be available for kids.
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And it is expensive to find stuff online.
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So it's just a shame too, because
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I saw the ease that these
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kids were able to grasp
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concepts that they might
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not have learned otherwise,
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memorizing songs,
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being comfortable in front of an audience,
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all those huge social skills.
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We weren't dealing with
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technology back then,
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Ruthann and I weren't
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dealing with kids with phones,
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but it's a very different world today.
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It is, yeah.
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I don't think that was
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really an answer to your
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question except that I love
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children's literature and I
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think that there's some
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incredible books out there that
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I'd love to get kids' hands into reading,
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because reading is also
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something that kids really
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don't do anymore.
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Right, right.
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A number of things.
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We're starting to sound like
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a group of old people.
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I know, I know.
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But I want, I guess, just on my part,
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I just would always want to
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promote that interest and
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that love in American history.
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And through literature, you can really...
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grab kids in ways that you
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might not just by talking
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about the facts of the
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American Revolution,
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like the books like Ben and
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Me or Mr. Revere and I, or I can think of,
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there's another book that I
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love called Rebecca's War
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that was set in
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Philadelphia by Anne Finlayson.
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That was a huge,
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important book to me that
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they don't necessarily need
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to be made into plays,
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but I just wish that they
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were read as sort of supplements to the
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the facts because they're
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all based on on on facts of
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course they're just much
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more vivid for kids so
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right right do you have any
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other ideas for um a
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history play I mean and
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you're you're still working
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on getting this one out
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there yeah well as you said
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there's so many other
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topics I i wrote one about
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lewis and clark which
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really my daughter's my I
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just spoke to my she's in college now uh
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And she said, well, I loved, oh,
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that dreadful tea,
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but I really loved the
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Lewis and Clark and the
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core discovery play that you wrote.
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Yeah, that was, it was not,
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I did not have Ruthann make
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that into a musical.
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I guess she could, but that was.
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I saw her eyes lighting up
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when she heard about Lewis and Clark.
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By the end of the podcast,
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you'll have something on Sacagawea ready.
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Right, right.
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Yes.
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So, yes, I've written that one too.
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Yeah.
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Now,
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Jonathan points out that the musical
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1776 has probably had more of an impact.
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And one of our running
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themes is how come there
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aren't good movies about the revolution?
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Yes.
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And think about the impact of 1776,
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this play, or Hamilton,
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which you mentioned, which...
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Right.
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Yeah.
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I mean, kids know history.
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They know history.
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They might know it through Hamilton.
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I know that that has a huge impact.
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I mean,
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I can I know it just being with
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teenagers is talk about the
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Constitution in ways that
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they might not have been
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able to because they have
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listened to the lyrics of Hamilton.
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Right.
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Right.
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Absolutely.
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The Federalist Papers,
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they know who wrote the
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Federalist Papers.
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That's right.
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Trying to set the Federalist
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Papers to music,
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that would be a tough sell.
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But I mean,
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it's interesting that Hamilton
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really influenced me to say, oh,
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I think we need to be able to do a rap.
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Can you do a rap?
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She's like, I can go try.
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She did a great job with the rap.
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Those kids did a great job with that rap.
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I did have a...
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recording of me doing the
00:24:10.083 --> 00:24:16.545
rap watching those children
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take that rap and, and, uh, they did, uh,
00:24:20.405 --> 00:24:21.066
it justice.
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They,
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they really brought it to life and
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did an excellent job.
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Um, yeah, so that was all,
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I had to have gotten all
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that information from dad because, um,
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you know, I probably, um, yeah.
00:24:34.871 --> 00:24:36.872
said, Deb, what do you want in this rap?
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Because that was a pretty lengthy rap,
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and then wrote it all off.
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And that's the introduction is the rap?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, they did a great job, yeah.
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It's a good rap.
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Yeah, the musical, Oh, The Gentlety,
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opens with the rap,
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where you find out the
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whole entire story through that rap.
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Wow.
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the population in Boston
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were suffering under the different taxes,
00:25:04.146 --> 00:25:04.407
right?
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It is.
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Lin-Manuel Miranda said he
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did the play as a rap
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because he wanted to get
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all this information in.
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So that's why it's so word heavy.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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It makes total sense.
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Yeah.
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He's a, he's a genius.
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So we were,
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very, I don't know, inspired by him,
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I think, for that rap.
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All those kids were rapping
00:25:26.204 --> 00:25:29.586
all of the Hamilton pieces at that time.
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That's great.
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I'm wondering, well,
00:25:34.348 --> 00:25:36.028
we do have one more song queued up,
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I think, Daughters of Liberty.
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I wonder if Jonathan can
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play that one for us.
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so the british want to tax
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our tea then they'll meet
00:25:50.032 --> 00:25:52.595
the daughters of liberty
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it's the women who choose
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what to buy not the man in
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the house no not that guy
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We'll tell all the women where to shop.
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Nothing important, just mom and pops.
00:26:10.214 --> 00:26:13.339
England won't be a little cross the ocean.
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Our protests will make quite a commotion.
00:26:18.859 --> 00:26:22.482
So the British want to tax our tea.
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Then they'll meet the
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Daughters of Liberty.
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It's the women who choose what to buy.
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Not the man in the house.
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No, not that guy.
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We all make our own cloth
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and drink bad tea and give
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up sugar so the Tories will
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see that they never ever
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should have taxed our tea
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for we are the Daughters of Liberty.
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So the British want to tax our tea.
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Then they'll meet the
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daughters of liberty.
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It's the women who choose what to buy.
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Not the man in the house.
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No, not that guy.
00:27:07.821 --> 00:27:09.984
Don't underestimate the
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power of the purse.
00:27:11.807 --> 00:27:13.489
Boycotting British goods for
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them will be a curse.
00:27:14.769 --> 00:27:16.932
They'll wish they never
00:27:17.032 --> 00:27:18.634
taxed us in the first.
00:27:19.174 --> 00:27:21.758
Cheers to liberty.
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Bah!
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Oh, that is dreadful tea.
00:27:31.344 --> 00:27:31.943
That was not,
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I think that was not in Mr. Revere and I,
00:27:33.846 --> 00:27:34.326
I added,
00:27:34.967 --> 00:27:36.008
I wanted to make sure that there
00:27:36.048 --> 00:27:37.888
was a scene with, with the women.
00:27:38.369 --> 00:27:39.390
Right.
00:27:40.351 --> 00:27:41.771
That's one of the things that, you know,
00:27:41.872 --> 00:27:42.853
in the years since Robert
00:27:42.893 --> 00:27:43.713
Lawson wrote that, I mean,
00:27:43.753 --> 00:27:44.795
we have learned a lot more
00:27:44.815 --> 00:27:46.195
about the social complexion
00:27:46.215 --> 00:27:47.497
of Boston and so on.
00:27:47.557 --> 00:27:48.837
And, but still, I mean,
00:27:49.078 --> 00:27:51.401
the books are still very vivid and, um,
00:27:52.141 --> 00:27:52.801
captivating.
00:27:53.561 --> 00:27:54.242
So, um,
00:27:55.443 --> 00:27:55.864
Ruthann,
00:27:56.105 --> 00:27:57.086
it looked like you were pulling
00:27:57.145 --> 00:27:58.646
out something you wanted to show us.
00:27:58.666 --> 00:28:01.108
Oh, I was thinking about that wrap,
00:28:01.249 --> 00:28:03.090
and I have the wrap here.
00:28:04.954 --> 00:28:05.836
if you want to read it
00:28:06.036 --> 00:28:07.116
instead of performing it
00:28:07.156 --> 00:28:09.397
that would be good um oh
00:28:09.438 --> 00:28:11.138
well okay let's see I mean
00:28:11.159 --> 00:28:12.299
the kids did such a good
00:28:12.339 --> 00:28:14.281
job all right so here
00:28:14.402 --> 00:28:15.643
here's the rap but it's
00:28:15.702 --> 00:28:18.064
long I mean okay I can do
00:28:18.084 --> 00:28:20.526
part of it yeah all right
00:28:20.546 --> 00:28:21.987
so it says friends
00:28:22.386 --> 00:28:24.368
countrymen hear the news
00:28:24.729 --> 00:28:26.029
come to a meeting to
00:28:26.069 --> 00:28:27.790
discuss more dues from the
00:28:27.851 --> 00:28:29.992
british parliament and the
00:28:30.073 --> 00:28:32.094
king at old south meeting
00:28:32.134 --> 00:28:33.414
house monday morning
00:28:34.539 --> 00:28:36.141
Then you have to have some beats in there.
00:28:37.241 --> 00:28:39.544
Sugar Act, Stamp Act, Townsend Act,
00:28:39.663 --> 00:28:41.905
T. King George won't stop.
00:28:41.965 --> 00:28:43.287
No, he won't, you'll see.
00:28:43.346 --> 00:28:45.127
He taxed our sugar, our coffee,
00:28:45.469 --> 00:28:46.449
and our indigo,
00:28:46.509 --> 00:28:48.611
so we stopped buying British goods.
00:28:49.031 --> 00:28:49.531
Whoa!
00:28:51.232 --> 00:28:53.093
But then he taxed stamps,
00:28:53.473 --> 00:28:55.354
newspaper pamphlets too.
00:28:55.453 --> 00:28:56.614
He didn't stop there.
00:28:56.653 --> 00:28:58.213
So what did Parliament do?
00:28:58.314 --> 00:29:00.734
Tax lead, glass, paper, paint,
00:29:00.795 --> 00:29:01.634
and my teeth.
00:29:01.694 --> 00:29:04.496
There's no end to taxing our colonies.
00:29:05.355 --> 00:29:08.276
It's not fair the colonists have no say.
00:29:08.696 --> 00:29:10.376
No voice in Parliament means
00:29:10.416 --> 00:29:11.317
we shouldn't pay.
00:29:11.856 --> 00:29:14.377
Don't they hear us over here?
00:29:14.478 --> 00:29:15.678
Well, listen up.
00:29:16.269 --> 00:29:18.111
loud and clear there's no
00:29:18.211 --> 00:29:19.330
taxation without
00:29:19.371 --> 00:29:21.772
representation no taxation
00:29:21.792 --> 00:29:23.575
without representation do
00:29:23.634 --> 00:29:26.436
we receive an invitation no
00:29:26.537 --> 00:29:29.098
sir there's no taxation
00:29:29.138 --> 00:29:30.759
without representation and
00:29:30.779 --> 00:29:33.402
then it goes on and on so
00:29:33.422 --> 00:29:35.324
good it just occurred to me
00:29:35.364 --> 00:29:36.464
how taxation without
00:29:36.525 --> 00:29:37.806
representation is really
00:29:37.826 --> 00:29:39.166
very much a rap line that's
00:29:39.386 --> 00:29:42.009
uh yes yeah that internal
00:29:42.068 --> 00:29:43.490
rhyme it's a very
00:29:44.954 --> 00:29:45.535
Yeah,
00:29:46.576 --> 00:29:48.577
the next line is is actually should
00:29:48.597 --> 00:29:49.897
have read this one because this is funny.
00:29:49.938 --> 00:29:50.838
It's the loyalists.
00:29:51.419 --> 00:29:51.839
Oh, yeah.
00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:52.319
Yeah.
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:53.480
Yeah.
00:29:54.260 --> 00:29:56.222
It's so they sauntered in on
00:29:56.282 --> 00:29:57.303
stage and they say,
00:29:57.804 --> 00:29:59.605
if King George says so,
00:29:59.625 --> 00:30:00.925
then that's what we do.
00:30:01.026 --> 00:30:02.586
He doesn't have to listen to
00:30:02.626 --> 00:30:03.827
the likes of you.
00:30:04.268 --> 00:30:05.288
He's our king.
00:30:05.388 --> 00:30:07.490
He makes the rules, not you.
00:30:07.509 --> 00:30:09.632
You liberty fools.
00:30:13.965 --> 00:30:15.405
who makes the rules, who governs.
00:30:15.425 --> 00:30:16.467
We were talking with Deb
00:30:16.507 --> 00:30:19.106
Poetie and Ruth Ann Paulson,
00:30:19.866 --> 00:30:22.768
and they have collaborated on a play, Oh,
00:30:22.807 --> 00:30:23.667
That Dreadful Tea,
00:30:23.728 --> 00:30:24.887
which is really meant for
00:30:24.988 --> 00:30:26.028
kids to perform.
00:30:26.127 --> 00:30:27.088
It's a musical,
00:30:27.429 --> 00:30:28.528
which tells the story of
00:30:28.548 --> 00:30:29.769
the Boston Tea Party,
00:30:29.888 --> 00:30:30.888
a lot of it derived from
00:30:30.949 --> 00:30:32.529
Robert Lawson's wonderful book,
00:30:32.589 --> 00:30:34.890
Mr. Revere and I, or parts of it.
00:30:35.890 --> 00:30:38.230
So it's Paul Revere figures in your play.
00:30:39.130 --> 00:30:39.970
Yeah, yeah.
00:30:40.009 --> 00:30:42.310
So I, in addition to Mr. Revere and I,
00:30:42.330 --> 00:30:43.892
I went back to look at some
00:30:43.912 --> 00:30:44.692
of the transcripts.
00:30:44.971 --> 00:30:48.213
I use my primary sources and
00:30:48.614 --> 00:30:49.993
there's a speech that I
00:30:50.134 --> 00:30:51.835
literally took from what
00:30:51.875 --> 00:30:54.756
was supposedly said by actually.
00:30:56.798 --> 00:30:59.538
Sam Adams was considered the coveted role.
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:02.560
And so Sam gives that big speech.
00:31:03.760 --> 00:31:07.323
And then he says, you know, what happened?
00:31:07.343 --> 00:31:09.824
Well, as you know, Bob, you know,
00:31:10.704 --> 00:31:11.944
there was no real signal
00:31:12.065 --> 00:31:14.365
except that he was just like, okay,
00:31:14.646 --> 00:31:16.366
you guys do what you're going to do.
00:31:16.386 --> 00:31:19.048
And yeah,
00:31:19.068 --> 00:31:20.809
I just thought that was so
00:31:21.029 --> 00:31:23.490
remarkable that everyone
00:31:23.671 --> 00:31:25.951
knew what the plan was going to be, but
00:31:26.743 --> 00:31:32.585
It was sort of this unspoken message that,
00:31:32.664 --> 00:31:34.246
okay, this is what we have.
00:31:34.286 --> 00:31:35.685
This is the point we've reached.
00:31:36.526 --> 00:31:40.967
And parts of just the Boston
00:31:41.007 --> 00:31:42.386
Tea Party that I think just
00:31:43.227 --> 00:31:45.548
resonated for kids too is
00:31:45.627 --> 00:31:48.868
just the idea that, yeah, yes,
00:31:49.169 --> 00:31:51.308
women were not part of that,
00:31:51.348 --> 00:31:52.970
but everybody played a role.
00:31:53.569 --> 00:31:55.029
And the events of that night,
00:31:55.608 --> 00:31:57.250
We're really open to anyone
00:31:57.269 --> 00:31:58.750
who happened to be out and
00:31:58.790 --> 00:32:02.713
about going down to the
00:32:02.753 --> 00:32:04.994
wharf and participating and
00:32:05.674 --> 00:32:08.596
having it done in a way that, yes,
00:32:08.636 --> 00:32:09.617
they destroyed the tea,
00:32:09.678 --> 00:32:11.239
but nothing else was destroyed.
00:32:11.318 --> 00:32:14.401
And things were managed in a
00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:17.262
way that sent a clear signal,
00:32:17.603 --> 00:32:19.084
but it wasn't violent.
00:32:19.624 --> 00:32:20.505
People weren't hurt.
00:32:22.481 --> 00:32:23.142
So, I don't know.
00:32:23.362 --> 00:32:24.682
There's just something that
00:32:25.064 --> 00:32:25.864
I think students,
00:32:26.585 --> 00:32:29.006
when they feel things are unjust,
00:32:29.586 --> 00:32:31.127
finding ways to be able to
00:32:31.367 --> 00:32:33.749
make a point without being harmful.
00:32:34.089 --> 00:32:34.190
Yeah,
00:32:34.210 --> 00:32:37.652
I think that students found the story
00:32:37.751 --> 00:32:40.314
or the history, I think, inspiring.
00:32:40.554 --> 00:32:40.733
Yeah.
00:32:42.461 --> 00:32:44.643
really is um now if let's
00:32:44.663 --> 00:32:45.564
suppose a teacher is
00:32:45.604 --> 00:32:46.925
listening and says boy
00:32:46.965 --> 00:32:47.645
that's something I would
00:32:47.665 --> 00:32:49.147
like to have my class do
00:32:49.228 --> 00:32:50.449
what would be their way of
00:32:50.689 --> 00:32:51.549
getting in touch with you
00:32:51.670 --> 00:32:54.894
or yeah I i I think so I i
00:32:56.055 --> 00:32:57.576
I think our hope always has
00:32:57.655 --> 00:32:59.157
been that's that you know
00:32:59.218 --> 00:33:00.679
yes we can create a website
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:01.720
and we could put it on
00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:03.102
there and maybe that's what
00:33:03.142 --> 00:33:04.943
we'll end up doing I think
00:33:04.983 --> 00:33:06.144
ruthanne and I have to
00:33:06.727 --> 00:33:07.827
sort of talk about that,
00:33:07.847 --> 00:33:08.868
but I think we wanted very
00:33:08.909 --> 00:33:10.529
much for it to be sort of
00:33:10.730 --> 00:33:12.892
packaged so that they could
00:33:12.951 --> 00:33:14.673
get some printed materials
00:33:15.334 --> 00:33:17.715
because everything, I don't know,
00:33:17.855 --> 00:33:18.957
I just feel like it would
00:33:18.997 --> 00:33:20.518
compliment whatever we,
00:33:20.657 --> 00:33:22.859
they find online and for students,
00:33:23.564 --> 00:33:23.923
you know, they,
00:33:24.644 --> 00:33:25.545
I think they need to see
00:33:25.585 --> 00:33:26.464
and hold a script.
00:33:26.484 --> 00:33:27.846
I mean, that's what we worked with.
00:33:27.925 --> 00:33:29.286
So there's that piece of it.
00:33:30.185 --> 00:33:31.307
But yes, I think that,
00:33:31.787 --> 00:33:33.988
I think what we want to make sure that we,
00:33:34.028 --> 00:33:35.147
of course, because we wrote it,
00:33:35.188 --> 00:33:36.368
we have the copyright on it.
00:33:36.648 --> 00:33:37.568
I think we would just want
00:33:37.608 --> 00:33:39.509
it to be done with when you
00:33:39.529 --> 00:33:40.309
purchase something,
00:33:40.609 --> 00:33:42.050
you have all these rules, right?
00:33:42.931 --> 00:33:44.550
When you get the license for anything.
00:33:44.611 --> 00:33:45.731
So I think that's the piece
00:33:45.771 --> 00:33:46.912
of it that worries us is
00:33:46.951 --> 00:33:48.472
that we wouldn't want it to be
00:33:49.252 --> 00:33:51.977
altered or changed in any
00:33:52.017 --> 00:33:53.538
way because it is ours.
00:33:56.277 --> 00:33:59.078
But I would like to be able
00:33:59.118 --> 00:34:00.420
to have it sort of
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:02.201
sponsored by somebody so
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:03.402
that it can be packaged the
00:34:03.422 --> 00:34:05.202
way that people can access it,
00:34:05.903 --> 00:34:09.666
but not at a huge price or
00:34:09.726 --> 00:34:11.286
no price at all, really, frankly.
00:34:11.467 --> 00:34:12.307
So that's sort of, I think,
00:34:12.347 --> 00:34:13.168
what we're looking for.
00:34:13.188 --> 00:34:16.030
A stamp of approval from
00:34:16.230 --> 00:34:17.831
somebody so that it can be
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put out there in the world.
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Right, right.
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I'm reminded that the
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National Council of Social
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Studies is having its
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annual meeting actually in
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Boston this November,
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and that might be a good opportunity to,
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there'll be 5,000 history
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social studies teachers coming to Boston.
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And I'm thinking of two things.
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One, how do we get it out there?
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And then B,
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how to make sure that someone
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doesn't get it and change it.
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So, yeah.
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Good.
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So I know I'd love to hear another song,
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but I know you both have,
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we don't want to give the
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whole thing away.
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We want people to hear it.
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Is there more we should talk
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about with this before we
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let you go and go back to
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writing your next musical?
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I just I want to thank you
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Bob for I felt kind of like
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nobody has heard about this
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and I know that they're
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celebrating the anniversary
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certainly anniversary of
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the Boston Tea Party and I
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saw your name and I was
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like oh I gotta email that
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man and and when I finally
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got around to doing it I
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just was so delighted about
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your positive response so
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it made it made my whole
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day so thank you so much
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Well, it's a great project.
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I really give you both great credit,
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Ruth Ann Paulson and Deb Poti,
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who have collaborated on Oh,
00:35:33.385 --> 00:35:34.326
That Dreadful Tea,
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a musical about the Boston Tea Party,
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really aimed at kids to perform,
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to produce,
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and to learn more about the revolution.
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And I think they will
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remember it more than if
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they hear me lecture or if they,
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you know,
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And thinking about using it along with,
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say,
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Robert Lawson's Mr. Revere and I
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would be a great thing.
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So you've done a lot to
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address a lot of the things
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we browse about with the
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education that kids need to
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do more theater and need to
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do more singing and also
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need to learn more history.
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So thank you for pushing this along.
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And Ruthann,
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I'm sorry I'm not in
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Gloucester to go hear you at the library.
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Oh, yes.
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That would be fun.
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Give you a maraca.
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And, you know,
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we do actually have a pretty
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good listenership,
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both in Massachusetts and beyond.
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And every week I thank
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people who are listening regularly.
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And if you're in one of
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these places and want to
00:36:33.985 --> 00:36:34.945
get in touch with us,
00:36:35.844 --> 00:36:37.244
send Jonathan Lane an email,
00:36:37.284 --> 00:36:39.666
jlane at revolution250.org.
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And they'll send you some of
00:36:40.606 --> 00:36:43.367
our Rev 250 swag, playing cards,
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refrigerator magnets, other things.
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And so this week,
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if you folks in Boston and in Long Beach,
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California,
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Omaha, Nebraska, and Lafayette, Indiana,
00:36:53.847 --> 00:36:57.889
and Lagos, Nigeria, and Rio de Janeiro,
00:36:57.969 --> 00:36:59.610
and all places between and beyond.
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Thanks for joining us.
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And now we will be piped out
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our final musical selection,
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On the Road to Boston.