{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":13.95,"endTime":16.62,"body":"Hello, and welcome"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":13.95,"endTime":16.62,"body":"to the Thin End of the Wedge,"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":16.83,"endTime":19.74,"body":"the podcast where experts from"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":16.83,"endTime":19.74,"body":"around the world share new and"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":19.74,"endTime":23.85,"body":"interesting stories about life"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":19.74,"endTime":23.85,"body":"in the ancient Middle East. My"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":23.85,"endTime":27.66,"body":"name is Jon. Each episode I talk"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":23.85,"endTime":27.66,"body":"to friends and colleagues, and"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":27.66,"endTime":31.02,"body":"get them to explain their work"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":27.66,"endTime":31.02,"body":"in a way we can all understand."},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":31.09,"endTime":36.16,"body":"I’m fascinated by hearing"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":31.09,"endTime":36.16,"body":"people’s academic journeys. And"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":36.16,"endTime":39.25,"body":"their life stories more"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":36.16,"endTime":39.25,"body":"generally, because academic life"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":39.28,"endTime":44.38,"body":"is so heavily shaped by"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":39.28,"endTime":44.38,"body":"historical circumstances. This"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":44.41,"endTime":48.76,"body":"episode is another in the series"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":44.41,"endTime":48.76,"body":"of retrospectives, and one which"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":48.79,"endTime":50.92,"body":"illustrates the point very"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":48.79,"endTime":50.92,"body":"clearly."},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":52.3,"endTime":55.81,"body":"I speak to someone who has been"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":52.3,"endTime":55.81,"body":"a major figure in Iraqi"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":55.81,"endTime":60.67,"body":"Assyriology over the last few"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":55.81,"endTime":60.67,"body":"decades. He is inextricably"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":60.67,"endTime":64.27,"body":"linked with the University of"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":60.67,"endTime":64.27,"body":"Mosul. He has played a crucial"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":64.27,"endTime":67.99,"body":"role in developing assyriology"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":64.27,"endTime":67.99,"body":"and archaeology there, and has"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":67.99,"endTime":71.38,"body":"created valuable resources to"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":67.99,"endTime":71.38,"body":"help the next generation of"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":71.38,"endTime":73.03,"body":"Iraqi scholars flourish."},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":74.29,"endTime":77.53,"body":"As always, these are stories"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":74.29,"endTime":77.53,"body":"based around one person’s"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":77.56,"endTime":81.97,"body":"journey, and their thoughts on"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":77.56,"endTime":81.97,"body":"life’s twists and turns. I’m"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":82.0,"endTime":85.51,"body":"very grateful for our guests’"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":82.0,"endTime":85.51,"body":"generosity in sharing their"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":85.51,"endTime":89.5,"body":"memories. So get yourself a cup"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":85.51,"endTime":89.5,"body":"of tea, make yourself"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":89.5,"endTime":92.65,"body":"comfortable, and let's meet"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":89.5,"endTime":92.65,"body":"today's guest."},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":100.88,"endTime":103.73,"body":"Hello, and welcome to Thin End"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":100.88,"endTime":103.73,"body":"of the Wedge. Thank you for"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":103.73,"endTime":107.84,"body":"joining us. Can you tell us"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":103.73,"endTime":107.84,"body":"please: who are you, and what do"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":107.84,"endTime":108.47,"body":"you do?"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":108.9,"endTime":111.39,"body":"My name is"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":108.9,"endTime":111.39,"body":"Professor Ali al-Juboori. I'm"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":111.39,"endTime":115.86,"body":"now retired from ... you know"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":111.39,"endTime":115.86,"body":"... my job at Mosul University."},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":116.94,"endTime":119.58,"body":"Let's start at the"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":116.94,"endTime":119.58,"body":"beginning then: how does your"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":119.58,"endTime":121.11,"body":"academic journey start?"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":121.54,"endTime":124.72,"body":"Well, start is"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":121.54,"endTime":124.72,"body":"if I think I have to go back to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":124.72,"endTime":130.93,"body":"the '50s, from '55 to '60, when"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":124.72,"endTime":130.93,"body":"my primary school. 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I have"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":139.51,"endTime":145.0,"body":"to walk daily, from my village"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":145.0,"endTime":148.3,"body":"to the other village, go there"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":145.0,"endTime":148.3,"body":"and then come back; during"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":148.3,"endTime":153.88,"body":"winter and summer, whether rain,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":148.3,"endTime":153.88,"body":"heat, everything. Anyway, then I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":153.88,"endTime":160.96,"body":"finished my school, well, by"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":153.88,"endTime":160.96,"body":"'60/'61. And then I moved to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":160.99,"endTime":164.71,"body":"Mosul to the town, because there"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":160.99,"endTime":164.71,"body":"is no intermediate school there."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":165.76,"endTime":170.05,"body":"And luckily, I have another"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":165.76,"endTime":170.05,"body":"brother--elder brother--who work"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":170.11,"endTime":176.05,"body":"in the town. 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You didn't"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":386.93,"endTime":390.86,"body":"know about Hammurabi or Babylon,"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":390.86,"endTime":391.19,"body":"say?"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":392.06,"endTime":395.06,"body":"It's absolutely"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":392.06,"endTime":395.06,"body":"new. I mean, it's come Hammurabi"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":395.06,"endTime":398.9,"body":"in our textbook in school. But I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":395.06,"endTime":398.9,"body":"don't know who is Hammurabi."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":398.99,"endTime":402.5,"body":"Nothing. They just mentioned"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":398.99,"endTime":402.5,"body":"name. 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We continued in the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":475.22,"endTime":480.08,"body":"department for four years."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":480.11,"endTime":482.93,"body":"I was very interested in"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":480.11,"endTime":482.93,"body":"cuneiform, I mean, the Akkadian"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":482.93,"endTime":488.69,"body":"language mainly. And we had"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":482.93,"endTime":488.69,"body":"Islamic archaeology, numismatic,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":488.81,"endTime":493.7,"body":"Islamic history, and then"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":488.81,"endTime":493.7,"body":"ancient history of Iraq. And"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":493.7,"endTime":498.95,"body":"then Akkadian language, plus"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":493.7,"endTime":498.95,"body":"survey--somebody from college of"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":498.95,"endTime":503.45,"body":"engineers to teach us. Other"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":498.95,"endTime":503.45,"body":"thing is museum activities,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":503.48,"endTime":508.49,"body":"something like that. I was so"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":503.48,"endTime":508.49,"body":"very interested in Akkadian. And"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":508.49,"endTime":512.42,"body":"I used to draw the cuneiform,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":508.49,"endTime":512.42,"body":"you know, everybody has to start"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":512.42,"endTime":517.52,"body":"with Hammurabi's laws. And then"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":512.42,"endTime":517.52,"body":"Professor Amir Sulaiman, he gave"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":517.52,"endTime":522.08,"body":"me the text of the Code of"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":517.52,"endTime":522.08,"body":"Hammurabi. So I copy each"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":522.11,"endTime":526.07,"body":"subject on the board with the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":522.11,"endTime":526.07,"body":"cuneiform and they leave a gap"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":526.07,"endTime":529.73,"body":"for the transliteration of ..."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":526.07,"endTime":529.73,"body":"you know, the Akkadian in Latin."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":530.15,"endTime":533.69,"body":"So he will ask people, \"What"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":530.15,"endTime":533.69,"body":"this sign is? What does that"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":533.69,"endTime":536.84,"body":"sign mean?\" Something like that."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":533.69,"endTime":536.84,"body":"And then by the end, we"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":536.84,"endTime":540.8,"body":"translated into Arabic or"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":536.84,"endTime":540.8,"body":"something. So this is the first"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":540.8,"endTime":545.9,"body":"one and then after that, you"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":540.8,"endTime":545.9,"body":"start with Sennacherib. His"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":545.9,"endTime":550.67,"body":"campaign to Babylon, and"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":545.9,"endTime":550.67,"body":"Marduk-apla-iddina. We did some"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":550.67,"endTime":555.26,"body":"of Eshnunna as well ... Eshnunna"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":550.67,"endTime":555.26,"body":"law. But we didn't do any"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":555.26,"endTime":559.97,"body":"letters or deeds in a document,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":555.26,"endTime":559.97,"body":"I mean, sale or something. We"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":559.97,"endTime":563.18,"body":"... this is lack in our"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":559.97,"endTime":563.18,"body":"background. Mainly the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":563.33,"endTime":566.42,"body":"historical texts. I mean, law"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":563.33,"endTime":566.42,"body":"and historical texts."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":567.56,"endTime":572.69,"body":"We are 16 students only. And we"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":567.56,"endTime":572.69,"body":"continue at Mosul university"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":572.69,"endTime":577.52,"body":"until we finish. And luckily, me"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":572.69,"endTime":577.52,"body":"and the other two friends, we"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":577.52,"endTime":581.3,"body":"got the upper grades, you know,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":577.52,"endTime":581.3,"body":"1, 2, 3 to the college and the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":581.3,"endTime":587.54,"body":"department. That year, the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":581.3,"endTime":587.54,"body":"government issued that every"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":587.54,"endTime":590.27,"body":"student who graduated from"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":587.54,"endTime":590.27,"body":"university has to go to the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":590.27,"endTime":593.93,"body":"military service, which is"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":590.27,"endTime":593.93,"body":"compulsory military service for"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":593.96,"endTime":599.66,"body":"12 months. And then I joined the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":593.96,"endTime":599.66,"body":"army, and they sent me to a camp"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":599.66,"endTime":604.34,"body":"in Mosul, with hundreds from"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":599.66,"endTime":604.34,"body":"other colleges. Every graduated"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":604.34,"endTime":608.0,"body":"student has to join. We spent"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":604.34,"endTime":608.0,"body":"two months."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":608.45,"endTime":612.8,"body":"But before that, I did apply to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":608.45,"endTime":612.8,"body":"the Department of Archaeology in"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":612.8,"endTime":617.45,"body":"Baghdad to study ancient"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":612.8,"endTime":617.45,"body":"archaeology. They studied"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":617.48,"endTime":622.01,"body":"Islamic archaeology and ancient"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":617.48,"endTime":622.01,"body":"archaeology. So I did, I applied"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":622.04,"endTime":627.38,"body":"and everything is okay. While"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":622.04,"endTime":627.38,"body":"I'm in the military, the same"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":627.38,"endTime":630.41,"body":"friend who advised me to join"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":627.38,"endTime":630.41,"body":"the university, he said to me,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":630.68,"endTime":633.8,"body":"\"I saw your name on the board of"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":630.68,"endTime":633.8,"body":"the Department of Archaeology."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":633.8,"endTime":638.12,"body":"You have been accepted there for"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":633.8,"endTime":638.12,"body":"to study MA. If you go there,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":638.33,"endTime":641.21,"body":"then you will be released from"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":638.33,"endTime":641.21,"body":"the army.\" So I said, \"Okay,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":641.21,"endTime":645.23,"body":"well, that's a good chance.\" And"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":641.21,"endTime":645.23,"body":"then I went to Baghdad. I met"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":645.26,"endTime":649.16,"body":"the head of the department and"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":645.26,"endTime":649.16,"body":"he said, \"Well, unfortunately,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":649.16,"endTime":653.36,"body":"we accept the other friend. You"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":649.16,"endTime":653.36,"body":"have another friend from Mosul,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":653.69,"endTime":659.03,"body":"who applied. So we accepted in"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":653.69,"endTime":659.03,"body":"the ancient department. And we"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":659.03,"endTime":661.13,"body":"put you in the Islamic"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":659.03,"endTime":661.13,"body":"department, because you have"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":661.13,"endTime":664.4,"body":"very good degrees in this.\" I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":661.13,"endTime":664.4,"body":"said, \"But I don't want. I did"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":664.4,"endTime":668.09,"body":"apply for ancient archaeology. I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":664.4,"endTime":668.09,"body":"don't want Islamic archaeology.\""},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":668.66,"endTime":671.24,"body":"And he said, \"Well, that's what"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":668.66,"endTime":671.24,"body":"we have. This is the offer,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":671.24,"endTime":672.14,"body":"which we could give you.\""},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":672.57,"endTime":677.1,"body":"So I went to continue my"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":672.57,"endTime":677.1,"body":"military. The graduation was"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":677.1,"endTime":682.77,"body":"'73. And that October '73, the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":677.1,"endTime":682.77,"body":"war started between Israel and"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":682.77,"endTime":689.19,"body":"Arab. So they decided to send"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":682.77,"endTime":689.19,"body":"every soldier. Luckily, my name"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":689.19,"endTime":694.23,"body":"is still as being accepted for"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":689.19,"endTime":694.23,"body":"MA. They said, \"Okay, you can't,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":694.23,"endTime":699.21,"body":"you don't go. Wait until see the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":694.23,"endTime":699.21,"body":"results.\" I think for the whole"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":699.21,"endTime":703.44,"body":"camp, there's only 30 or 40"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":699.21,"endTime":703.44,"body":"soldiers, you know, with other"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":703.44,"endTime":708.72,"body":"ranking officers. A month later,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":703.44,"endTime":708.72,"body":"they said, \"Okay, you have been"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":708.81,"endTime":713.22,"body":"moved to the Ministry of Defense"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":708.81,"endTime":713.22,"body":"in Baghdad.\" So I said, \"What?"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":713.22,"endTime":715.95,"body":"What should I do with the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":713.22,"endTime":715.95,"body":"Ministry of Defense? I mean, I'm"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":715.95,"endTime":719.1,"body":"an archaeologist.\" Anyway, so I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":715.95,"endTime":719.1,"body":"went there. They said to me,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":719.67,"endTime":723.48,"body":"\"Okay, you have to go and work"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":719.67,"endTime":723.48,"body":"on the Department of Electric"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":723.51,"endTime":728.28,"body":"and Mechanic.\" Can you imagine"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":723.51,"endTime":728.28,"body":"that? So I went, I went to this"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":728.28,"endTime":733.53,"body":"department and stayed there"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":728.28,"endTime":733.53,"body":"another 10 months, working with"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":733.53,"endTime":738.42,"body":"contractors, mainly contractors"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":733.53,"endTime":738.42,"body":"who set up electricity or air"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":738.42,"endTime":743.58,"body":"conditioning, or, you know, in"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":738.42,"endTime":743.58,"body":"the whole Iraq, in Diyala, or"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":743.61,"endTime":748.95,"body":"Najaf, or in Basra or in Mosul."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":743.61,"endTime":748.95,"body":"So those contractor has to come"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":748.98,"endTime":751.98,"body":"to the Ministry of Defense. And"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":748.98,"endTime":751.98,"body":"before they go there, they have"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":751.98,"endTime":756.12,"body":"to come to our office. And then"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":751.98,"endTime":756.12,"body":"they everybody has a file. So we"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":756.12,"endTime":759.09,"body":"have to open file and see where"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":756.12,"endTime":759.09,"body":"he is and what he wants."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":759.63,"endTime":764.04,"body":"Then suddenly, one, you know,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":759.63,"endTime":764.04,"body":"the person who is in charge of"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":764.04,"endTime":768.03,"body":"this department called me and"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":764.04,"endTime":768.03,"body":"then he said, \"Okay, well, you"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":768.03,"endTime":771.81,"body":"are lucky.\" I said, \"What?\" He"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":768.03,"endTime":771.81,"body":"said, \"We are going to release"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":771.81,"endTime":775.83,"body":"you from the military service,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":771.81,"endTime":775.83,"body":"because the government said"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":775.86,"endTime":779.76,"body":"those who have upper grade in"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":775.86,"endTime":779.76,"body":"the university should be"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":779.76,"endTime":783.06,"body":"appointed as a research"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":779.76,"endTime":783.06,"body":"assistant in their universities."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":784.08,"endTime":787.59,"body":"So that's it. So they released"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":784.08,"endTime":787.59,"body":"me from the army. I went to the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":787.59,"endTime":791.97,"body":"Minister of Higher Education,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":787.59,"endTime":791.97,"body":"and they gave me a document to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":792.0,"endTime":795.99,"body":"Mosul University. So I went"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":792.0,"endTime":795.99,"body":"there. They said, \"Okay, you are"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":795.99,"endTime":800.61,"body":"lucky, because we open something"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":795.99,"endTime":800.61,"body":"is called Center for"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":800.61,"endTime":805.26,"body":"Archaeological and Research"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":800.61,"endTime":805.26,"body":"Studies. So you will be"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":805.26,"endTime":809.49,"body":"appointed there.\" Okay. So I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":805.26,"endTime":809.49,"body":"went there, there is no budget,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":809.52,"endTime":812.64,"body":"what shall I do? I don't know."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":809.52,"endTime":812.64,"body":"There is nothing, there is no"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":812.64,"endTime":814.86,"body":"information about it. There is"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":812.64,"endTime":814.86,"body":"nothing."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":815.76,"endTime":821.73,"body":"I think a year later, my friend"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":815.76,"endTime":821.73,"body":"who finished his MA came, and"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":821.73,"endTime":826.05,"body":"then another people appointed"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":821.73,"endTime":826.05,"body":"from other colleges and from"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":826.05,"endTime":833.61,"body":"Baghdad. And that was until"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":826.05,"endTime":833.61,"body":"1977. The university gave us a"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":833.61,"endTime":838.5,"body":"grant to excavate one of the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":833.61,"endTime":838.5,"body":"sites it's going to be covered"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":838.5,"endTime":843.96,"body":"by the dam, north of Mosul. And"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":838.5,"endTime":843.96,"body":"we choose a site called Tell Abu"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":843.96,"endTime":850.56,"body":"Dhahir. So we start the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":843.96,"endTime":850.56,"body":"excavations from February until"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":850.59,"endTime":857.19,"body":"May. And then we have to stop"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":850.59,"endTime":857.19,"body":"until autumn. So by that time, I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":857.19,"endTime":859.92,"body":"went to the dean of the college"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":857.19,"endTime":859.92,"body":"and said to him, \"I've been"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":859.92,"endTime":865.86,"body":"working here now from 1974, now"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":859.92,"endTime":865.86,"body":"'73; three years. I need a grant"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":865.86,"endTime":870.87,"body":"to do my MA study abroad.\" And"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":865.86,"endTime":870.87,"body":"they refused. They said, \"No.\""},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":871.23,"endTime":874.53,"body":"You know, there is two things."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":871.23,"endTime":874.53,"body":"Number one, I don't know the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":874.53,"endTime":878.7,"body":"people there. Number two, that"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":874.53,"endTime":878.7,"body":"by that time everybody has to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":878.7,"endTime":882.15,"body":"join the Baath party. And I'm"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":878.7,"endTime":882.15,"body":"not. I said, \"No\"."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":882.99,"endTime":892.41,"body":"So by July '77 ... by the way,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":882.99,"endTime":892.41,"body":"1975 I get married, and then I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":892.41,"endTime":898.62,"body":"have my first daughter next year"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":892.41,"endTime":898.62,"body":"'76 by September, and I called"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":898.62,"endTime":905.43,"body":"her Ishtar. So, everybody, they"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":898.62,"endTime":905.43,"body":"know nothing about Ishtar. They,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":905.58,"endTime":909.09,"body":"I mean, they just heard the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":905.58,"endTime":909.09,"body":"name, but it's very strange for"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":909.09,"endTime":915.36,"body":"them. By '77, I talked to my"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":909.09,"endTime":915.36,"body":"wife. I said, \"Okay, I have no"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":915.36,"endTime":920.28,"body":"chance to get scholarship. I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":915.36,"endTime":920.28,"body":"decided to resign and to go"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":920.31,"endTime":924.78,"body":"study abroad from my own"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":920.31,"endTime":924.78,"body":"expenses. I need your support to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":924.78,"endTime":928.53,"body":"help me to do this.\" As she"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":924.78,"endTime":928.53,"body":"said, \"Okay, I have no"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":928.53,"endTime":931.47,"body":"objection.\" I said to her, \"But"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":928.53,"endTime":931.47,"body":"you cannot come with me. I'm ..."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":931.8,"endTime":934.71,"body":"I'm going to study from my"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":931.8,"endTime":934.71,"body":"expense. I cannot spend money"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":934.71,"endTime":938.16,"body":"for family. She said, \"No, I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":934.71,"endTime":938.16,"body":"will stay here. I'm ...\" ..."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":938.19,"endTime":942.45,"body":"she's working as a health"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":938.19,"endTime":942.45,"body":"visitor. And my brothers support"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":942.45,"endTime":945.6,"body":"me. They said, \"Okay, go ahead."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":942.45,"endTime":945.6,"body":"We will look after your family"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":945.6,"endTime":947.79,"body":"and send you some money when you"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":945.6,"endTime":947.79,"body":"need.\""},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":948.87,"endTime":950.58,"body":"How was your time in"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":948.87,"endTime":950.58,"body":"the UK?"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":951.32,"endTime":957.29,"body":"July 9th, I was"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":951.32,"endTime":957.29,"body":"in London. And then there's a"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":957.29,"endTime":961.46,"body":"hotel, there's running by a"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":957.29,"endTime":961.46,"body":"Greek person, his name I think"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":961.46,"endTime":966.05,"body":"Costa or something. So I asked"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":961.46,"endTime":966.05,"body":"him, \"How can I find a school to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":966.05,"endTime":969.17,"body":"learn English?\" And he said,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":966.05,"endTime":969.17,"body":"\"Well, go to the British"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":969.2,"endTime":972.29,"body":"Academy.\" And he gave me the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":969.2,"endTime":972.29,"body":"day. So I took a taxi and then"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":972.29,"endTime":975.5,"body":"there is a lady. She said to me,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":972.29,"endTime":975.5,"body":"\"Where do you want to study?\" I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":975.5,"endTime":978.41,"body":"said, \"Well, I prefer in London."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":975.5,"endTime":978.41,"body":"They told me there is schools"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":978.41,"endTime":982.07,"body":"called Davies's schools.\" She"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":978.41,"endTime":982.07,"body":"said, \"Is full up.\" So she said,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":982.13,"endTime":986.54,"body":"\"There is Scotland and there is"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":982.13,"endTime":986.54,"body":"other place in Brighton. And if"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":986.54,"endTime":990.29,"body":"you want to go you could go to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":986.54,"endTime":990.29,"body":"Brighton.\" So I took the train"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":990.29,"endTime":995.72,"body":"from Victoria to Brighton. And I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":990.29,"endTime":995.72,"body":"found a school not far from the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":995.78,"endTime":1000.67,"body":"train station. And they said,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":995.78,"endTime":1000.67,"body":"\"Okay, we can accept you, but"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1000.7,"endTime":1003.91,"body":"you are late, you know, one"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1000.7,"endTime":1003.91,"body":"week.\" I said, \"Okay, no"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1003.91,"endTime":1007.93,"body":"problem.\" But I said ... told"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1003.91,"endTime":1007.93,"body":"them, \"I need an English family"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1007.93,"endTime":1012.61,"body":"to live with them.\" So they sent"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1007.93,"endTime":1012.61,"body":"me to a couple there, they are"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1012.64,"endTime":1017.23,"body":"very nice people. And that's how"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1012.64,"endTime":1017.23,"body":"I learned my English. It's not"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1017.23,"endTime":1022.72,"body":"from school, nor from Iraq. From"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1017.23,"endTime":1022.72,"body":"the family themselves, because"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1022.78,"endTime":1025.69,"body":"they are very nice people. They"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1022.78,"endTime":1025.69,"body":"helped me and they ... they"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1025.69,"endTime":1028.24,"body":"answer any question which I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1025.69,"endTime":1028.24,"body":"really asked."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1030.28,"endTime":1034.9,"body":"The term will be finished by"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1030.28,"endTime":1034.9,"body":"September. I said, \"Okay, I will"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1035.2,"endTime":1040.54,"body":"look for a scholar who could"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1035.2,"endTime":1040.54,"body":"accept me to study postgraduate"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1040.54,"endTime":1046.39,"body":"student. You know, an MA or a"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1040.54,"endTime":1046.39,"body":"PhD. I knew Professor Saggs. He"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1046.39,"endTime":1050.92,"body":"was in Mosul University in the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1046.39,"endTime":1050.92,"body":"'70s. When we were students, he"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1050.92,"endTime":1056.11,"body":"came and taught Dr. Farouk"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1050.92,"endTime":1056.11,"body":"al-Rawi and other person at"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1056.11,"endTime":1060.67,"body":"Mosul University. I took the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1056.11,"endTime":1060.67,"body":"train, went to London and then"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1060.67,"endTime":1065.92,"body":"to Cardiff. And I asked for"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1060.67,"endTime":1065.92,"body":"Farouk. And he came, and then I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1065.92,"endTime":1069.1,"body":"said to him, \"I want to see"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1065.92,"endTime":1069.1,"body":"Professor Saggs. If he could"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1069.22,"endTime":1073.03,"body":"accept me for MA, or whatever"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1069.22,"endTime":1073.03,"body":"degree he would like to do it.\""},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1073.54,"endTime":1078.1,"body":"So they set appointment. The"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1073.54,"endTime":1078.1,"body":"next day, I met Professor Saggs"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1078.1,"endTime":1080.35,"body":"and I spoke to him like when I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1078.1,"endTime":1080.35,"body":"am talking to you. And he said,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1080.74,"endTime":1085.96,"body":"\"Okay, I prefer if you will"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1080.74,"endTime":1085.96,"body":"study historical geography of"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1086.11,"endTime":1092.83,"body":"north of Iraq, i.e., mainly the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1086.11,"endTime":1092.83,"body":"Assyrian military campaign.\" So"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1092.83,"endTime":1096.37,"body":"I said to him, \"I could do this,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1092.83,"endTime":1096.37,"body":"but only within the Iraqis"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1096.37,"endTime":1101.02,"body":"border. I cannot cross to Syria."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1096.37,"endTime":1101.02,"body":"And we have problem with the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1101.02,"endTime":1104.65,"body":"Kurds. I may go to Suleimaniyah."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1101.02,"endTime":1104.65,"body":"But beyond Suleimaniyah I cannot"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1104.65,"endTime":1109.21,"body":"go there.\" He said, \"Okay, well,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1104.65,"endTime":1109.21,"body":"let's put this title for your"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1109.21,"endTime":1114.07,"body":"MPhil. And then we will see how"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1109.21,"endTime":1114.07,"body":"far you could go.\" He asked his"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1114.07,"endTime":1116.23,"body":"secretary and they gave me"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1114.07,"endTime":1116.23,"body":"admission."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1117.41,"endTime":1123.08,"body":"I went back to London. In my"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1117.41,"endTime":1123.08,"body":"mind, I know Professor Wiseman."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1124.13,"endTime":1128.99,"body":"I went to the SOAS and asked for"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1124.13,"endTime":1128.99,"body":"Professor Wiseman. \"No, it is"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1128.99,"endTime":1134.0,"body":"holiday and we cannot give you"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1128.99,"endTime":1134.0,"body":"his phone number.\" So I have to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1134.0,"endTime":1138.32,"body":"do it in Iraqis' way. So I went"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1134.0,"endTime":1138.32,"body":"to the Institute of Archaeology."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1139.52,"endTime":1144.2,"body":"I know Dr. Jaabar was there. So"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1139.52,"endTime":1144.2,"body":"I thought probably Dr. Jaabar"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1144.2,"endTime":1149.81,"body":"may have his phone number or if"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1144.2,"endTime":1149.81,"body":"not, David Oates is there. So I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1149.81,"endTime":1152.93,"body":"went there and they said, \"Dr."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1149.81,"endTime":1152.93,"body":"Jaabar is doing fieldwork in"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1152.93,"endTime":1158.54,"body":"Iraq.\" And the Secretary said,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1152.93,"endTime":1158.54,"body":"\"Okay, Professor David Oates is"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1158.54,"endTime":1161.75,"body":"there if you want to see him.\" I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1158.54,"endTime":1161.75,"body":"said, \"Okay.\" So I went to see"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1161.75,"endTime":1165.26,"body":"him and he said, \"Oh, oh, you're"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1161.75,"endTime":1165.26,"body":"from Iraq? You are from Mosul?\""},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1165.26,"endTime":1167.9,"body":"\"Yes, yes.\" He said ... and he"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1165.26,"endTime":1167.9,"body":"start to talk about Nimrud. And"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1168.47,"endTime":1172.07,"body":"I say to him, \"Well, I want to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1168.47,"endTime":1172.07,"body":"be, you know, accepted at London"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1172.07,"endTime":1177.98,"body":"university to do my, you know,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1172.07,"endTime":1177.98,"body":"MA.\" I mean, in my mind is to do"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1177.98,"endTime":1181.67,"body":"cuneiform study with nothing to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1177.98,"endTime":1181.67,"body":"do with archaeology in general."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1182.63,"endTime":1185.27,"body":"And he said to me, \"Well,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1182.63,"endTime":1185.27,"body":"unfortunately, we cannot accept"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1185.27,"endTime":1190.97,"body":"you to do Akkadian. That's what"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1185.27,"endTime":1190.97,"body":"I'm looking for. And he said,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1190.97,"endTime":1193.64,"body":"\"If you want I give you"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1190.97,"endTime":1193.64,"body":"Professor Wiseman's phone"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1193.64,"endTime":1197.48,"body":"number, and then give him a"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1193.64,"endTime":1197.48,"body":"ring. And then he will be very"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1197.51,"endTime":1200.48,"body":"nice person, and he will meet"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1197.51,"endTime":1200.48,"body":"you and you could go to.\" I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1200.6,"endTime":1202.67,"body":"said, \"Okay, fine, fine. Very"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1200.6,"endTime":1202.67,"body":"good.\""},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1202.7,"endTime":1206.75,"body":"So he gave me his phone number."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1202.7,"endTime":1206.75,"body":"I went to, you know, this"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1207.05,"endTime":1211.43,"body":"telephone in the street, the red"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1207.05,"endTime":1211.43,"body":"one. And I rang Professor"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1211.43,"endTime":1214.34,"body":"Wiseman, and he said, \"Okay.\" I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1211.43,"endTime":1214.34,"body":"told him, I said I'm from Iraq."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1214.34,"endTime":1217.64,"body":"You know, my name is so-and-so."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1214.34,"endTime":1217.64,"body":"And I want to study Akkadian. He"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1217.64,"endTime":1221.06,"body":"said, \"Oh, okay. I will see you"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1217.64,"endTime":1221.06,"body":"tomorrow at 11 o'clock. I say,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1221.3,"endTime":1224.27,"body":"\"Okay, that's good.\" I met"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1221.3,"endTime":1224.27,"body":"Professor Wiseman, we sat for"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1224.27,"endTime":1228.74,"body":"almost an hour. He asked me, you"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1224.27,"endTime":1228.74,"body":"know, about my background and"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1228.74,"endTime":1232.34,"body":"things like that. And then we"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1228.74,"endTime":1232.34,"body":"went down to the Administrative"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1232.34,"endTime":1236.57,"body":"Office, and they gave me another"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1232.34,"endTime":1236.57,"body":"acceptance from London"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1236.57,"endTime":1239.36,"body":"University. So I have two"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1236.57,"endTime":1239.36,"body":"choices: either to go to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1239.36,"endTime":1243.02,"body":"Cardiff, or to stay in London."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1239.36,"endTime":1243.02,"body":"So I prefer to stay in London,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1243.02,"endTime":1247.49,"body":"because I was thinking of the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1243.02,"endTime":1247.49,"body":"British Museum and the tablets."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1249.32,"endTime":1251.78,"body":"So I thought this will be"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1249.32,"endTime":1251.78,"body":"easier, because the British"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1251.78,"endTime":1256.73,"body":"Museum is not far away. I will"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1251.78,"endTime":1256.73,"body":"stay in London. And that's it."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1257.12,"endTime":1260.09,"body":"So I went back to Iraq, resigned"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1257.12,"endTime":1260.09,"body":"from my office."},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":1261.14,"endTime":1262.76,"body":"What did you do at"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":1261.14,"endTime":1262.76,"body":"SOAS?"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1263.95,"endTime":1267.04,"body":"Well, they said"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1263.95,"endTime":1267.04,"body":"to me, \"You have to do a"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1267.04,"endTime":1271.9,"body":"course.\" The course is mainly"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1267.04,"endTime":1271.9,"body":"three scholars. Professor"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1271.9,"endTime":1276.52,"body":"Wiseman, I did Hammurabi's laws"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1271.9,"endTime":1276.52,"body":"with him, and Eshnunna laws."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1276.58,"endTime":1280.75,"body":"Then other topic. I did some"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1276.58,"endTime":1280.75,"body":"lines from the Epic of"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1280.75,"endTime":1285.43,"body":"Gilgamesh. I mean, this is for"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1280.75,"endTime":1285.43,"body":"the first year. And the same"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1285.43,"endTime":1290.08,"body":"time Professor Hawkins, David"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1285.43,"endTime":1290.08,"body":"Hawkins, he gave us Assyrian"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1290.08,"endTime":1294.61,"body":"letters and documents from the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1290.08,"endTime":1294.61,"body":"neo-Assyrian, and from the Old"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1294.61,"endTime":1299.68,"body":"Babylonian. And then there is a"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1294.61,"endTime":1299.68,"body":"lady called Miss Farber. She"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1299.68,"endTime":1303.1,"body":"gave us a text about"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1299.68,"endTime":1303.1,"body":"Sennacherib, one of his"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1303.13,"endTime":1306.85,"body":"campaigns. And that is mainly"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1303.13,"endTime":1306.85,"body":"what we did."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1306.88,"endTime":1310.72,"body":"And then by the end of the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1306.88,"endTime":1310.72,"body":"course, we have they call it a"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1310.72,"endTime":1317.08,"body":"comprehensive exam. And then"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1310.72,"endTime":1317.08,"body":"they gave me a set of questions."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1317.29,"endTime":1322.57,"body":"Some of it is Akkadian to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1317.29,"endTime":1322.57,"body":"translate, and some to parse"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1322.57,"endTime":1326.05,"body":"some of the verbs, some of the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1322.57,"endTime":1326.05,"body":"words, and then one of the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1326.05,"endTime":1329.35,"body":"question about Mesopotamian"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1326.05,"endTime":1329.35,"body":"civilisation. You know, I mean,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1329.35,"endTime":1332.89,"body":"what's the most important things"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1329.35,"endTime":1332.89,"body":"in the Mesopotamian"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1332.89,"endTime":1337.42,"body":"civilisation? Professor Wiseman"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1332.89,"endTime":1337.42,"body":"told me, \"You passed the exam,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1337.66,"endTime":1341.62,"body":"but unfortunately, there is some"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1337.66,"endTime":1341.62,"body":"mistakes in your English,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1342.04,"endTime":1346.36,"body":"especially the grammar.\" And"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1342.04,"endTime":1346.36,"body":"then I went to the British"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1347.23,"endTime":1352.78,"body":"Institute or English Institute."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1347.23,"endTime":1352.78,"body":"So I used to go at night. I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1352.78,"endTime":1357.07,"body":"stayed with him about three"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1352.78,"endTime":1357.07,"body":"months. They said, \"It's enough."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1357.1,"endTime":1361.15,"body":"It's okay. Your English is fine."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1357.1,"endTime":1361.15,"body":"You don't need any more to come"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1361.15,"endTime":1361.51,"body":"back."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1362.77,"endTime":1365.56,"body":"And then after that, they said,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1362.77,"endTime":1365.56,"body":"\"Okay, you have to choose a"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1365.59,"endTime":1369.52,"body":"topic. What are you going to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1365.59,"endTime":1369.52,"body":"write about?\" So I told"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1369.55,"endTime":1373.33,"body":"Professor Wiseman I'm interested"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1369.55,"endTime":1373.33,"body":"in the Assyrian period, mainly"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1373.33,"endTime":1376.63,"body":"neo-Assyrian period. And then he"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1373.33,"endTime":1376.63,"body":"said, \"Why don't we write"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1376.63,"endTime":1380.32,"body":"something about one of the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1376.63,"endTime":1380.32,"body":"provincial governors. You have"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1380.32,"endTime":1383.35,"body":"to write it very carefully,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1380.32,"endTime":1383.35,"body":"because this is going to be put"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1383.35,"endTime":1388.06,"body":"to the board of the department."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1383.35,"endTime":1388.06,"body":"If they accept your paper, then"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1388.06,"endTime":1393.31,"body":"you will be transferred to the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1388.06,"endTime":1393.31,"body":"PhD. This is really very hard to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1393.31,"endTime":1398.59,"body":"me. I have to do it anyways. So"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1393.31,"endTime":1398.59,"body":"I spent about three months just"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1398.59,"endTime":1403.21,"body":"writing a paper about one of the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1398.59,"endTime":1403.21,"body":"Assyrian governors called bel"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1403.3,"endTime":1408.94,"body":"pihati, the provincial governor."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1403.3,"endTime":1408.94,"body":"Then later on, I have this not"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1408.94,"endTime":1412.51,"body":"exam, but it's look like an"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1408.94,"endTime":1412.51,"body":"interview. I have to submit the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1412.51,"endTime":1415.69,"body":"paper, and they have to listen."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1412.51,"endTime":1415.69,"body":"And then by the end, they ask"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1415.69,"endTime":1419.89,"body":"you some questions. A week"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1415.69,"endTime":1419.89,"body":"later, I have a letter from the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1419.89,"endTime":1423.04,"body":"administrative department. They"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1419.89,"endTime":1423.04,"body":"said, \"Congratulations, your"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1423.1,"endTime":1427.9,"body":"registration is now for PhD and"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1423.1,"endTime":1427.9,"body":"backdated to the beginning of"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1427.9,"endTime":1431.74,"body":"your registration.\" And this is"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1427.9,"endTime":1431.74,"body":"very odd here in Iraq, because"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1431.74,"endTime":1436.27,"body":"there is no system in Iraq like"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1431.74,"endTime":1436.27,"body":"this. They have only MA and PhD."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1436.27,"endTime":1439.99,"body":"You have to do MA and then to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1436.27,"endTime":1439.99,"body":"start again for PhD."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1440.99,"endTime":1448.64,"body":"I finished 1984. In fact, I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1440.99,"endTime":1448.64,"body":"finished my research by '82. And"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1448.64,"endTime":1452.69,"body":"my wife, she came to London, and"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1448.64,"endTime":1452.69,"body":"then we discussed the situation."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1452.69,"endTime":1456.2,"body":"She said, \"I do not prefer you"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1452.69,"endTime":1456.2,"body":"coming back. They will send you"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1456.2,"endTime":1461.36,"body":"to the frontier because we have"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1456.2,"endTime":1461.36,"body":"Iraqi-Iranian war.\" So she said,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1461.66,"endTime":1466.28,"body":"\"Well, if you can stay there in"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1461.66,"endTime":1466.28,"body":"London, why not? I mean.\" So I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1466.28,"endTime":1469.07,"body":"talked to Professor Wiseman, and"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1466.28,"endTime":1469.07,"body":"he said, \"Okay, no problem. You"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1469.07,"endTime":1473.42,"body":"can stay. We will see and give"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1469.07,"endTime":1473.42,"body":"you another year.\" And my wife"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1473.45,"endTime":1478.94,"body":"went back and luckily I found a"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1473.45,"endTime":1478.94,"body":"job. They call it a proctor, you"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1478.94,"endTime":1485.0,"body":"know, is just to oversee a"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1478.94,"endTime":1485.0,"body":"student hall at night. And they"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1485.0,"endTime":1488.48,"body":"gave me accommodation free, give"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1485.0,"endTime":1488.48,"body":"me a room and then I have"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1488.63,"endTime":1494.99,"body":"everything including breakfast"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1488.63,"endTime":1494.99,"body":"plus 100 pounds per month. And"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1494.99,"endTime":1500.06,"body":"that was very good. So I do not"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1494.99,"endTime":1500.06,"body":"need any money from my family"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1500.06,"endTime":1506.45,"body":"anymore. I spent '82 and then"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1500.06,"endTime":1506.45,"body":"'83 until '84, and then I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1506.45,"endTime":1510.74,"body":"decided to ... I said, \"Okay, I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1506.45,"endTime":1510.74,"body":"will go up, whether they send me"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1510.74,"endTime":1515.36,"body":"to the frontier or not. I don't"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1510.74,"endTime":1515.36,"body":"care anymore.\" So I applied and"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1515.39,"endTime":1520.31,"body":"finished my exam. And a month"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1515.39,"endTime":1520.31,"body":"later, I came back here to Iraq."},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":1521.5,"endTime":1524.8,"body":"Okay, so you're back"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":1521.5,"endTime":1524.8,"body":"in Iraq now. What did you do"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":1524.8,"endTime":1525.64,"body":"next?"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1526.23,"endTime":1529.92,"body":"After less than"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1526.23,"endTime":1529.92,"body":"a week, I was at home, you know,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1530.01,"endTime":1534.48,"body":"very tired and, and then one of"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1530.01,"endTime":1534.48,"body":"my relatives said, \"Have you"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1534.48,"endTime":1538.8,"body":"gone to the military office in"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1534.48,"endTime":1538.8,"body":"Mosul?\" I said, \"No.\" He said,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1538.8,"endTime":1543.09,"body":"\"You should go, because there is"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1538.8,"endTime":1543.09,"body":"something new.\" I'd been told"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1543.09,"endTime":1546.42,"body":"that everybody with PhD you will"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1543.09,"endTime":1546.42,"body":"not join the army. He said,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1546.42,"endTime":1550.11,"body":"\"Yes, but go there and check.\""},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1546.42,"endTime":1550.11,"body":"So I went there, and they said,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1550.44,"endTime":1555.6,"body":"\"Oh, you have been absent for"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1550.44,"endTime":1555.6,"body":"one week.\" I said, \"I just"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1555.72,"endTime":1561.18,"body":"arrived. And now I was here on"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1555.72,"endTime":1561.18,"body":"November 23rd and now is"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1561.54,"endTime":1565.89,"body":"December 1st. It's only seven"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1561.54,"endTime":1565.89,"body":"days. He said, \"No. Today, we"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1565.89,"endTime":1569.13,"body":"will give you a document. You"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1565.89,"endTime":1569.13,"body":"have to go to Babylon--Hillah,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1569.16,"endTime":1573.72,"body":"where is the military service"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1569.16,"endTime":1573.72,"body":"there. So I have to take car and"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1573.72,"endTime":1578.82,"body":"go there to Hillah, where the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1573.72,"endTime":1578.82,"body":"military camp. And I stayed"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1578.85,"endTime":1582.93,"body":"three months there. And then"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1578.85,"endTime":1582.93,"body":"they sent me back to the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1582.93,"endTime":1586.68,"body":"Ministry of Defense. They have a"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1582.93,"endTime":1586.68,"body":"new department is called"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1587.01,"endTime":1589.14,"body":"Military History"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1587.01,"endTime":1589.14,"body":"Department--something like"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1589.41,"endTime":1594.15,"body":"that--where they recorded all"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1589.41,"endTime":1594.15,"body":"the, you know, the martyrs, the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1594.15,"endTime":1598.5,"body":"soldiers, the dead people, I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1594.15,"endTime":1598.5,"body":"think like that. This service it"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1598.5,"endTime":1603.75,"body":"should be six months. And then"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1598.5,"endTime":1603.75,"body":"we will be released from the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1603.75,"endTime":1606.27,"body":"army. They said the reserved"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1603.75,"endTime":1606.27,"body":"army."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1607.2,"endTime":1611.07,"body":"So I spent three months in the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1607.2,"endTime":1611.07,"body":"military camp, and then two"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1611.07,"endTime":1614.7,"body":"months in the Ministry of"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1611.07,"endTime":1614.7,"body":"Defense. And they give you a"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1614.73,"endTime":1618.63,"body":"permit to leave for one week"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1614.73,"endTime":1618.63,"body":"every month. So I went to stay"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1618.63,"endTime":1621.72,"body":"with my family. And somebody"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1618.63,"endTime":1621.72,"body":"came to me, he said, \"Okay,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1621.99,"endTime":1626.52,"body":"there is a call for you to go"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1621.99,"endTime":1626.52,"body":"back immediately.\" So I took"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1626.52,"endTime":1630.24,"body":"taxi, went to Baghdad. They say"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1626.52,"endTime":1630.24,"body":"to you, \"You have to go to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1630.45,"endTime":1634.95,"body":"Kirkuk, and then from Kirkuk,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1630.45,"endTime":1634.95,"body":"they will tell you where to go.\""},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1635.58,"endTime":1639.87,"body":"Okay, then I went to Kirkuk."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1635.58,"endTime":1639.87,"body":"They told me is to go to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1639.9,"endTime":1643.68,"body":"Suleimaniyah. And then I went to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1639.9,"endTime":1643.68,"body":"Suleimaniyah. And then they"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1643.68,"endTime":1647.19,"body":"said, \"Okay, you will go to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1643.68,"endTime":1647.19,"body":"Darbandikhan, where is the dam."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1647.76,"endTime":1651.12,"body":"And there there is a camp and"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1647.76,"endTime":1651.12,"body":"they will tell you what to do.\""},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1651.99,"endTime":1656.55,"body":"And then I came there, I saw the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1651.99,"endTime":1656.55,"body":"general there. And he said, \"You"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1656.58,"endTime":1660.69,"body":"have to go up to the mountain."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1656.58,"endTime":1660.69,"body":"They call it hushik, the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1660.69,"endTime":1664.77,"body":"mountain. You have to climb"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1660.69,"endTime":1664.77,"body":"three hours until you reach to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1664.77,"endTime":1670.71,"body":"the top. And so I spent in this"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1664.77,"endTime":1670.71,"body":"month in the top of the mountain"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1671.04,"endTime":1676.2,"body":"doing my military service. It's"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1671.04,"endTime":1676.2,"body":"in the high mountains. And then"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1676.23,"endTime":1681.48,"body":"sometimes we get shelling from"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1676.23,"endTime":1681.48,"body":"the Iranian army. And then by"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1681.48,"endTime":1684.78,"body":"the end of this month and went"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1681.48,"endTime":1684.78,"body":"back and then they released me"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1684.78,"endTime":1686.94,"body":"from the army so I went back to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1684.78,"endTime":1686.94,"body":"university."},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":1687.96,"endTime":1690.12,"body":"What was your first"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":1687.96,"endTime":1690.12,"body":"academic job?"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1690.51,"endTime":1693.48,"body":"I was appointed"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1690.51,"endTime":1693.48,"body":"at the College of Education to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1693.48,"endTime":1698.7,"body":"teach ancient Iraqi history and"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1693.48,"endTime":1698.7,"body":"civilisation. I stayed there"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1698.73,"endTime":1705.39,"body":"from '85 until '94, i.e. nine"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1698.73,"endTime":1705.39,"body":"years teaching the subject. And"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1705.39,"endTime":1710.07,"body":"including some information given"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1705.39,"endTime":1710.07,"body":"to the students for cuneiform,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1710.4,"endTime":1714.87,"body":"the Mesopotamian literature, and"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1710.4,"endTime":1714.87,"body":"history, of course the law and"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1715.08,"endTime":1721.29,"body":"some of the military campaigns."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1715.08,"endTime":1721.29,"body":"1994, the president of Mosul"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1721.29,"endTime":1724.41,"body":"University sent for me, and so I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1721.29,"endTime":1724.41,"body":"went there. And he said, \"Okay,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1724.8,"endTime":1728.37,"body":"we open a Department of"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1724.8,"endTime":1728.37,"body":"Archaeology, and you're"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1728.37,"endTime":1731.34,"body":"appointed the head of the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1728.37,"endTime":1731.34,"body":"department. And you have to go"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1731.34,"endTime":1736.14,"body":"to College of Arts.\" So I went"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1731.34,"endTime":1736.14,"body":"there, there is nobody at all."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1736.17,"endTime":1738.84,"body":"There is no office, there is"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1736.17,"endTime":1738.84,"body":"nothing, no classroom. There is"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1738.84,"endTime":1743.85,"body":"no students yet. So we have to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1738.84,"endTime":1743.85,"body":"start from the beginning. From"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1743.85,"endTime":1744.3,"body":"nothing."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1744.99,"endTime":1748.86,"body":"I have Professor Sulaiman whom I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1744.99,"endTime":1748.86,"body":"mentioned before. And then we"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1748.86,"endTime":1751.65,"body":"have another two scholars in"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1748.86,"endTime":1751.65,"body":"Islamic archaeology. One is"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1751.65,"endTime":1754.68,"body":"called Adil Najim Abo, and he"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1751.65,"endTime":1754.68,"body":"graduated from Edinburgh. And"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1754.68,"endTime":1757.56,"body":"then Professor Ahmed Qasim"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1754.68,"endTime":1757.56,"body":"Aljum'a. He graduated from"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1757.56,"endTime":1765.27,"body":"Cairo. Anyway, I got a room in"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1757.56,"endTime":1765.27,"body":"the department of French and my"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1765.27,"endTime":1769.86,"body":"office there in the same floor."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1765.27,"endTime":1769.86,"body":"So students, they start to come,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1769.86,"endTime":1774.0,"body":"because it's a new department."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1769.86,"endTime":1774.0,"body":"We have 40 students for the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1774.0,"endTime":1778.83,"body":"first year. Me and Professor"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1774.0,"endTime":1778.83,"body":"Amir Sulaiman, we have to teach"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1778.86,"endTime":1782.55,"body":"each of us three or four"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1778.86,"endTime":1782.55,"body":"subjects, because there is a"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1782.55,"endTime":1789.51,"body":"lack of scholars. And that is"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1782.55,"endTime":1789.51,"body":"continue until 1999. That they"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1789.51,"endTime":1792.93,"body":"supposed to be the first"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1789.51,"endTime":1792.93,"body":"graduated students from the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1792.93,"endTime":1793.44,"body":"department."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1794.49,"endTime":1798.0,"body":"I went to the president of Mosul"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1794.49,"endTime":1798.0,"body":"University. \"Okay, this year we"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1798.0,"endTime":1801.6,"body":"will have graduate students and"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1798.0,"endTime":1801.6,"body":"I need to open an higher"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1801.6,"endTime":1806.13,"body":"education MA, because we have no"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1801.6,"endTime":1806.13,"body":"scholars. So if we need to have"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1806.13,"endTime":1809.67,"body":"this good department, we need to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1806.13,"endTime":1809.67,"body":"develop scholars not only just"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1809.7,"endTime":1813.81,"body":"graduate students from the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1809.7,"endTime":1813.81,"body":"street.\" And he said, \"Okay.\""},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1813.9,"endTime":1817.92,"body":"Then he should document that the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1813.9,"endTime":1817.92,"body":"first group who will graduate in"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1817.92,"endTime":1821.16,"body":"the Department of Archaeology,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1817.92,"endTime":1821.16,"body":"any of them who want to come you"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1821.16,"endTime":1826.35,"body":"know to study MA, he will be"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1821.16,"endTime":1826.35,"body":"accepted. We accept about eight"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1826.35,"endTime":1831.69,"body":"students. And in the same year,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1826.35,"endTime":1831.69,"body":"I applied to the University to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1831.69,"endTime":1835.32,"body":"open new department called"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1831.69,"endTime":1835.32,"body":"cuneiform department ..."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1835.32,"endTime":1840.54,"body":"cuneiform studies. And then they"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1835.32,"endTime":1840.54,"body":"agree, so I ran both of them for"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1840.54,"endTime":1843.96,"body":"one year. And then the second"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1840.54,"endTime":1843.96,"body":"year, somebody else took the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1843.96,"endTime":1846.54,"body":"archaeology department and I was"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1843.96,"endTime":1846.54,"body":"in charge for the cuneiform"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1846.54,"endTime":1846.93,"body":"department."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1847.98,"endTime":1854.01,"body":"And then those two departments"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1847.98,"endTime":1854.01,"body":"running side by side, we have at"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1854.01,"endTime":1863.19,"body":"least about 15 MA students from"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1854.01,"endTime":1863.19,"body":"1999 until 2003, where the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1863.19,"endTime":1868.71,"body":"invasion ... 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I met"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1976.23,"endTime":1980.7,"body":"one person who is from Iraq."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1981.36,"endTime":1984.21,"body":"He's the friend of Dr. Jaabar,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1981.36,"endTime":1984.21,"body":"but he lived in Canada and"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1984.21,"endTime":1988.08,"body":"worked in the United Arab"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1984.21,"endTime":1988.08,"body":"Emirates. His name Yassin"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1988.08,"endTime":1991.65,"body":"something. He asked me what I'm"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1988.08,"endTime":1991.65,"body":"doing. I told him, \"I've nearly"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":1991.65,"endTime":1994.05,"body":"finished my book. 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It's of Shamshi-Adad I."},{"speaker":"timetable","startTime":2214.56,"endTime":2220.44,"body":"This piece of stone is found on"},{"speaker":"timetable","startTime":2214.56,"endTime":2220.44,"body":"the neo-Assyrian level. Can you"},{"speaker":"timetable","startTime":2220.44,"endTime":2224.7,"body":"imagine? Well, I think it's"},{"speaker":"timetable","startTime":2220.44,"endTime":2224.7,"body":"coming from Nabu Temple. Because"},{"speaker":"timetable","startTime":2224.73,"endTime":2228.84,"body":"what the late excavators, what"},{"speaker":"timetable","startTime":2224.73,"endTime":2228.84,"body":"they do, they dig and through"},{"speaker":"timetable","startTime":2228.84,"endTime":2232.14,"body":"the dump, the next where, you"},{"speaker":"timetable","startTime":2228.84,"endTime":2232.14,"body":"know, where is the hole, or"},{"speaker":"timetable","startTime":2232.14,"endTime":2235.98,"body":"anything like that. So one of"},{"speaker":"timetable","startTime":2232.14,"endTime":2235.98,"body":"the labourers saw this stone. He"},{"speaker":"timetable","startTime":2235.98,"endTime":2240.24,"body":"don't know cuneiform by that"},{"speaker":"timetable","startTime":2235.98,"endTime":2240.24,"body":"time, so he threw it away. And"},{"speaker":"timetable","startTime":2240.24,"endTime":2243.06,"body":"it came to the level of the"},{"speaker":"timetable","startTime":2240.24,"endTime":2243.06,"body":"Assyrian level when we"},{"speaker":"timetable","startTime":2243.06,"endTime":2248.19,"body":"excavated. So we have other"},{"speaker":"timetable","startTime":2243.06,"endTime":2248.19,"body":"reliefs and pieces, a lot of"},{"speaker":"timetable","startTime":2248.19,"endTime":2253.71,"body":"pottery, and some jars mainly. A"},{"speaker":"timetable","startTime":2248.19,"endTime":2253.71,"body":"beautiful Parthian period jar,"},{"speaker":"timetable","startTime":2253.95,"endTime":2258.54,"body":"huge jars. We sent it to the"},{"speaker":"timetable","startTime":2253.95,"endTime":2258.54,"body":"Department of Archaeology in"},{"speaker":"timetable","startTime":2258.54,"endTime":2265.47,"body":"Baghdad. We have three seasons"},{"speaker":"timetable","startTime":2258.54,"endTime":2265.47,"body":"excavating there. By May 2014,"},{"speaker":"timetable","startTime":2265.5,"endTime":2270.57,"body":"everything stopped. And then"},{"speaker":"timetable","startTime":2265.5,"endTime":2270.57,"body":"ISIL came in. And we get into"},{"speaker":"timetable","startTime":2270.57,"endTime":2274.53,"body":"another dark time or dark period"},{"speaker":"timetable","startTime":2270.57,"endTime":2274.53,"body":"in Mosul especially."},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":2275.25,"endTime":2276.57,"body":"What did you do"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":2275.25,"endTime":2276.57,"body":"then?"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2277.47,"endTime":2279.72,"body":"During this"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2277.47,"endTime":2279.72,"body":"period when the ISIL came in,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2279.72,"endTime":2283.38,"body":"and occupied the town, I have"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2279.72,"endTime":2283.38,"body":"another friend, you know,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2283.41,"endTime":2287.73,"body":"American two friends who work in"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2283.41,"endTime":2287.73,"body":"Erbil. One is Professor Danti"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2287.73,"endTime":2292.41,"body":"and Dr. Richard Zettler. They"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2287.73,"endTime":2292.41,"body":"wrote to me and said, \"Okay, can"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2292.41,"endTime":2296.1,"body":"you come to Erbil, and then we"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2292.41,"endTime":2296.1,"body":"will arrange to take us to come"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2296.13,"endTime":2297.48,"body":"with us to the [United] States"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2296.13,"endTime":2297.48,"body":"[of America].\" I said, \"I'm"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2297.51,"endTime":2301.17,"body":"sorry, I cannot come to Erbil.\""},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2297.51,"endTime":2301.17,"body":"Because the Kurds closed the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2301.17,"endTime":2305.94,"body":"border and nobody could get in."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2301.17,"endTime":2305.94,"body":"And they said, \"Find a way and"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2305.97,"endTime":2311.79,"body":"try to come. Just get out from"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2305.97,"endTime":2311.79,"body":"Mosul by any means.\" So the only"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2311.79,"endTime":2316.44,"body":"thing I could do, because I was"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2311.79,"endTime":2316.44,"body":"dean of the college, I cannot"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2316.47,"endTime":2317.31,"body":"leave the college."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2317.97,"endTime":2323.07,"body":"So I again apply for sabbatical"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2317.97,"endTime":2323.07,"body":"year. And I get it. It was in"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2323.07,"endTime":2329.01,"body":"December 2014. I have the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2323.07,"endTime":2329.01,"body":"sabbatical year. So I with my"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2329.01,"endTime":2333.15,"body":"wife, we gave a taxi driver ..."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2329.01,"endTime":2333.15,"body":"you know, there's two routes to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2333.15,"endTime":2337.41,"body":"go to Baghdad. One you go to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2333.15,"endTime":2337.41,"body":"Sinjar to where is the Syrian"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2337.41,"endTime":2342.54,"body":"border, and there is a road"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2337.41,"endTime":2342.54,"body":"leading to Al-Bukamal or Qa'im."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2342.87,"endTime":2345.75,"body":"And then you go down to Anbar."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2342.87,"endTime":2345.75,"body":"But before Anbar you have to go"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2345.75,"endTime":2349.2,"body":"down to the old road where they"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2345.75,"endTime":2349.2,"body":"used to go to Brighlim, you"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2349.2,"endTime":2354.21,"body":"know, the Hajj, from Iraq, they"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2349.2,"endTime":2354.21,"body":"go on horses; this road. So we"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2354.21,"endTime":2357.24,"body":"have to take this road, because"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2354.21,"endTime":2357.24,"body":"ISIL in Anbar. We cannot go to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2357.24,"endTime":2361.89,"body":"Anbar. And there is another"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2357.24,"endTime":2361.89,"body":"route. He said to me, \"We could"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2361.89,"endTime":2365.7,"body":"go to Hatra, and from Hatra"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2361.89,"endTime":2365.7,"body":"across the desert. And then to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2365.7,"endTime":2370.83,"body":"Rawa--where is Farouk al-Rawi's"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2365.7,"endTime":2370.83,"body":"family background--and then from"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2370.83,"endTime":2375.18,"body":"there, we have to go up again to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2370.83,"endTime":2375.18,"body":"al-Qa'im or Al-Bukamal to the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2375.24,"endTime":2379.47,"body":"west, to the Syrian border, and"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2375.24,"endTime":2379.47,"body":"then come back with the highway"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2379.83,"endTime":2384.96,"body":"leading before Anbar and then go"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2379.83,"endTime":2384.96,"body":"to this old road leading to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2385.05,"endTime":2392.07,"body":"Brighlim. Is going to Karbala"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2385.05,"endTime":2392.07,"body":"south of Anbar. Well, he said,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2392.07,"endTime":2395.64,"body":"\"If you were lucky, they did not"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2392.07,"endTime":2395.64,"body":"caught us, you know, the ISIL,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2395.64,"endTime":2398.64,"body":"because they have a lot of"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2395.64,"endTime":2398.64,"body":"people in the desert. I said,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2398.94,"endTime":2401.07,"body":"\"Okay, we will try and see what"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2398.94,"endTime":2401.07,"body":"happens.\""},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2401.57,"endTime":2406.82,"body":"So we escaped at night. We left"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2401.57,"endTime":2406.82,"body":"Mosul at two o'clock, and then"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2406.82,"endTime":2411.74,"body":"we went to Hatra. And then from"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2406.82,"endTime":2411.74,"body":"Hatra to Rawa, and then to Qa'im"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2411.74,"endTime":2415.04,"body":"and then back to Anbar and then"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2411.74,"endTime":2415.04,"body":"go to area called al-Nukhayb,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2415.1,"endTime":2419.57,"body":"where is the checkpoint there."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2415.1,"endTime":2419.57,"body":"Anyway, we were there about"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2419.66,"endTime":2424.85,"body":"evening, next day. And then"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2419.66,"endTime":2424.85,"body":"after that we have to stay,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2424.85,"endTime":2430.07,"body":"because this checkpoint do not"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2424.85,"endTime":2430.07,"body":"allow a taxi driver from Mosul"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2430.07,"endTime":2434.6,"body":"to go alone. They have to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2430.07,"endTime":2434.6,"body":"collect 10 for instance 10 cars."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2435.59,"endTime":2439.61,"body":"They make it like a truck and"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2435.59,"endTime":2439.61,"body":"you know, they, then you have a"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2439.61,"endTime":2443.48,"body":"Hummer [a Humvee] in front and a"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2439.61,"endTime":2443.48,"body":"Hummer behind until you go to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2443.48,"endTime":2447.11,"body":"the highway to Baghdad, and then"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2443.48,"endTime":2447.11,"body":"they give you back your ID and"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2447.11,"endTime":2450.35,"body":"things like that. And then you"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2447.11,"endTime":2450.35,"body":"will be free to go to Baghdad."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2450.68,"endTime":2455.63,"body":"So we did. We reached Baghdad by"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2450.68,"endTime":2455.63,"body":"midnight. We left at two o'clock"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2455.66,"endTime":2459.35,"body":"in Mosul and we are in Baghdad"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2455.66,"endTime":2459.35,"body":"the next day at 12 o'clock."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2460.59,"endTime":2464.64,"body":"I wrote to Michael [Danti] and I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2460.59,"endTime":2464.64,"body":"said to him, \"Okay, now I'm in"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2464.64,"endTime":2467.88,"body":"Baghdad.\" So they said, \"Can you"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2464.64,"endTime":2467.88,"body":"go to the Green Zone to go to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2467.88,"endTime":2473.76,"body":"the American Embassy?\" I said,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2467.88,"endTime":2473.76,"body":"\"If I am a bird, I cannot fly"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2473.76,"endTime":2479.61,"body":"there! I cannot go there. We"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2473.76,"endTime":2479.61,"body":"have to find another way.\" We"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2479.64,"endTime":2483.72,"body":"decided to actually go to Turkey"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2479.64,"endTime":2483.72,"body":"to Ankara. I am going to Ankara"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2483.72,"endTime":2487.41,"body":"and then apply for a visa. And"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2483.72,"endTime":2487.41,"body":"they gave me they call it"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2487.44,"endTime":2492.75,"body":"Scholar Rescue Fund from the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2487.44,"endTime":2492.75,"body":"Department of State there. We"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2492.75,"endTime":2495.57,"body":"went there and we stay in"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2492.75,"endTime":2495.57,"body":"Philadelphia at the University"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2495.57,"endTime":2499.98,"body":"of Pennsylvania, where I wrote"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2495.57,"endTime":2499.98,"body":"my second dictionary--is the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2499.98,"endTime":2502.83,"body":"Sumerian-Akkadian-Arabic"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2499.98,"endTime":2502.83,"body":"dictionary."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2504.0,"endTime":2507.0,"body":"By the end of this sabbatical"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2504.0,"endTime":2507.0,"body":"year, I had to go back to the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2507.0,"endTime":2510.45,"body":"university. By that time the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2507.0,"endTime":2510.45,"body":"university has located in"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2510.45,"endTime":2516.39,"body":"substitute place in Dohuk and in"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2510.45,"endTime":2516.39,"body":"Kirkuk. So I went to Erbil, and"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2516.39,"endTime":2520.41,"body":"stayed in Erbil more than a year"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2516.39,"endTime":2520.41,"body":"and a half, where I finished my"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2520.41,"endTime":2523.83,"body":"dictionary, and I wrote back to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2520.41,"endTime":2523.83,"body":"them, Abu Dhabi, if they would"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2523.83,"endTime":2527.16,"body":"like to publish it. They said,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2523.83,"endTime":2527.16,"body":"\"Yes.\" So I sent them and they"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2527.16,"endTime":2534.27,"body":"did publish it. By the end of"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2527.16,"endTime":2534.27,"body":"the 2017 Mosul liberated and we"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2534.3,"endTime":2539.25,"body":"came back here to Mosul. And I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2534.3,"endTime":2539.25,"body":"don't know how to explain to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2539.25,"endTime":2542.94,"body":"you. I don't know. Probably"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2539.25,"endTime":2542.94,"body":"you've seen some images of the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2542.94,"endTime":2546.3,"body":"Second World War, they called"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2542.94,"endTime":2546.3,"body":"Berlin, you know, how it's been"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2546.3,"endTime":2549.39,"body":"destroyed. So west of Mosul"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2546.3,"endTime":2549.39,"body":"exactly like that."},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":2550.35,"endTime":2553.35,"body":"Were you able to"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":2550.35,"endTime":2553.35,"body":"resume university life after the"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":2553.35,"endTime":2554.19,"body":"liberation?"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2555.95,"endTime":2558.08,"body":"With the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2555.95,"endTime":2558.08,"body":"president of Mosul university,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2558.5,"endTime":2561.86,"body":"we decided that what shall I do?"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2558.5,"endTime":2561.86,"body":"I said, \"Okay, I'm not the Dean"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2561.89,"endTime":2566.42,"body":"of College anymore.\" He said,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2561.89,"endTime":2566.42,"body":"\"Well, why? What do you want?\""},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2566.42,"endTime":2569.81,"body":"He said, \"Okay, why don't we"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2566.42,"endTime":2569.81,"body":"start establishing something"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2569.81,"endTime":2573.35,"body":"called Center for Assyrian"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2569.81,"endTime":2573.35,"body":"Studies?\" And he said, \"Well,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2573.38,"endTime":2577.07,"body":"that's a good idea. But what are"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2573.38,"endTime":2577.07,"body":"you going to do?\" I said, \"Okay,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2577.1,"endTime":2581.6,"body":"well, we will do some"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2577.1,"endTime":2581.6,"body":"documentation, i.e. digital"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2581.6,"endTime":2586.82,"body":"documentation of this horrible"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2581.6,"endTime":2586.82,"body":"damage to the cultural heritage"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2586.85,"endTime":2591.17,"body":"of west of Mosul.\" Are they"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2586.85,"endTime":2591.17,"body":"said, \"Good idea\". With Michael"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2591.17,"endTime":2594.65,"body":"and Richard, they bought new"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2591.17,"endTime":2594.65,"body":"cameras and computers and things"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2594.65,"endTime":2597.35,"body":"like that. So we established the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2594.65,"endTime":2597.35,"body":"Centre."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2597.98,"endTime":2601.82,"body":"And then we took the camera,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2597.98,"endTime":2601.82,"body":"went to west of Mosul, and then"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2601.82,"endTime":2606.44,"body":"the police just did not allow it"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2601.82,"endTime":2606.44,"body":"to get in. They said, \"No, you"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2606.44,"endTime":2611.15,"body":"cannot do anything. This is it's"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2606.44,"endTime":2611.15,"body":"absolutely prohibited.\" Because"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2611.15,"endTime":2615.11,"body":"the bodies, some of the bodies,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2611.15,"endTime":2615.11,"body":"still you could visible, you"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2615.11,"endTime":2618.26,"body":"could see their clothes. 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I don't know"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2631.88,"endTime":2632.39,"body":"what to do."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2632.39,"endTime":2637.49,"body":"And then by chance, there was an"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2632.39,"endTime":2637.49,"body":"Italian who came because, you"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2637.49,"endTime":2642.38,"body":"know, ISIL burned the library of"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2637.49,"endTime":2642.38,"body":"Mosul, the University of Mosul."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2643.01,"endTime":2646.85,"body":"I went to them with the Italians"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2643.01,"endTime":2646.85,"body":"and then they show me a room and"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2646.85,"endTime":2651.77,"body":"the room is full of hardcover,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2646.85,"endTime":2651.77,"body":"files, something like that. The"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2651.77,"endTime":2654.62,"body":"whole room is full of them. So I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2651.77,"endTime":2654.62,"body":"opened some of them. It's a"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2654.62,"endTime":2658.19,"body":"newspaper. I checked those"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2654.62,"endTime":2658.19,"body":"newspapers, some of them in the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2658.22,"endTime":2662.15,"body":"'30s and the '40s. So I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2658.22,"endTime":2662.15,"body":"immediately went to the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2662.15,"endTime":2665.84,"body":"president of Mosul. I said,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2662.15,"endTime":2665.84,"body":"\"Okay, I find my treasure.\" And"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2665.84,"endTime":2668.27,"body":"he said, \"Okay, what do you"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2665.84,"endTime":2668.27,"body":"want?\" I said, \"Well, I want to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2668.27,"endTime":2672.47,"body":"document ... make the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2668.27,"endTime":2672.47,"body":"documentation. I digitalise all"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2672.47,"endTime":2676.4,"body":"these newspapers. He said,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2672.47,"endTime":2676.4,"body":"\"Okay.\" I said, \"Okay, give me a"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2676.43,"endTime":2680.72,"body":"letter to the librarians to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2676.43,"endTime":2680.72,"body":"allow us to do it.\" So with the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2680.72,"endTime":2685.91,"body":"help of six scholars from, I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2680.72,"endTime":2685.91,"body":"mean, my previous students, whom"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2685.91,"endTime":2691.28,"body":"I taught in BA and MA, PhD, they"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2685.91,"endTime":2691.28,"body":"helped me with this. We"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2691.28,"endTime":2695.81,"body":"digitalised all the newspapers"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2691.28,"endTime":2695.81,"body":"and other books, the old books."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2696.08,"endTime":2700.1,"body":"We came about half a million"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2696.08,"endTime":2700.1,"body":"images of this whole archive."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2701.06,"endTime":2707.3,"body":"And then by the end of 2019, I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2701.06,"endTime":2707.3,"body":"decided to retire. Because I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2707.3,"endTime":2712.01,"body":"thought it's not really worth to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2707.3,"endTime":2712.01,"body":"carry on. I could see the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2712.01,"endTime":2718.37,"body":"decline of education, decline of"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2712.01,"endTime":2718.37,"body":"student interest. I mean, in the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2718.37,"endTime":2721.31,"body":"past, I could see the students"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2718.37,"endTime":2721.31,"body":"are interested in the subject."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2721.82,"endTime":2725.21,"body":"They follow, they obeyed. And"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2721.82,"endTime":2725.21,"body":"the thing is now, the students,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2725.21,"endTime":2729.62,"body":"they are really ... I don't"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2725.21,"endTime":2729.62,"body":"blame them, because they have"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2729.62,"endTime":2735.02,"body":"this very bad time during ISIL."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2729.62,"endTime":2735.02,"body":"And now, they came to the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2735.02,"endTime":2738.92,"body":"university and it's a different"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2735.02,"endTime":2738.92,"body":"life. And now you ask him to do"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2738.92,"endTime":2742.79,"body":"something, which is really far"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2738.92,"endTime":2742.79,"body":"away from their mind. You know,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2742.82,"endTime":2746.78,"body":"some of them lost his brother or"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2742.82,"endTime":2746.78,"body":"his father or his relative, or"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2747.44,"endTime":2751.88,"body":"he has been imprisoned or has"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2747.44,"endTime":2751.88,"body":"been taken by ISIL, something"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2751.91,"endTime":2757.01,"body":"like that. So the students"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2751.91,"endTime":2757.01,"body":"really not really completely are"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2757.16,"endTime":2761.78,"body":"interested in the subject. And I"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2757.16,"endTime":2761.78,"body":"thought it is for myself is"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2761.78,"endTime":2765.89,"body":"waste my time to teach people"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2761.78,"endTime":2765.89,"body":"who are not interested in the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2765.89,"endTime":2772.82,"body":"subject. That's why I applied to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2765.89,"endTime":2772.82,"body":"early retirement. And I retired"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2773.12,"endTime":2775.91,"body":"by December 2019."},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":2776.96,"endTime":2779.24,"body":"What are you doing"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":2776.96,"endTime":2779.24,"body":"now that you've retired?"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2781.49,"endTime":2786.89,"body":"And then we have"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2781.49,"endTime":2786.89,"body":"the problem with COVID-19. And"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2786.89,"endTime":2790.88,"body":"everybody was imprisoned in his"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2786.89,"endTime":2790.88,"body":"home. So what shall I do? Well,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2791.15,"endTime":2795.44,"body":"okay, I thought, well, I thought"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2791.15,"endTime":2795.44,"body":"it's good that the students now"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2795.44,"endTime":2799.37,"body":"they have an Assyrian dictionary"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2795.44,"endTime":2799.37,"body":"in Arabic. And they have"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2799.37,"endTime":2804.68,"body":"Sumerian dictionary in Arabic."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2799.37,"endTime":2804.68,"body":"They do not need CAD or AHw. Not"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2804.68,"endTime":2809.75,"body":"anymore. What should I do? Okay,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2804.68,"endTime":2809.75,"body":"well, I picked up from those two"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2809.75,"endTime":2812.93,"body":"dictionaries, and I wrote"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2809.75,"endTime":2812.93,"body":"another one, it's called"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2813.41,"endTime":2818.6,"body":"Sumerian loanwords into Akkadian"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2813.41,"endTime":2818.6,"body":"and Arabic, and other Akkadian"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2818.6,"endTime":2823.7,"body":"in Arabic. And this is published"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2818.6,"endTime":2823.7,"body":"in Cairo in Alexandria library"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2823.85,"endTime":2828.95,"body":"in Egypt. Then when I finished,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2823.85,"endTime":2828.95,"body":"I said, \"Okay, well, now they"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2828.95,"endTime":2833.78,"body":"have dictionaries, but they do"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2828.95,"endTime":2833.78,"body":"not have grammars. So currently,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2833.78,"endTime":2838.13,"body":"I just finished a few months"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2833.78,"endTime":2838.13,"body":"ago, Akkadian grammar for the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2838.13,"endTime":2842.69,"body":"students. And I send it back to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2838.13,"endTime":2842.69,"body":"Cairo. And it's now in the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2842.69,"endTime":2846.11,"body":"processing, I don't know. They"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2842.69,"endTime":2846.11,"body":"have to send for review or"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2846.11,"endTime":2849.23,"body":"something like that. They will"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2846.11,"endTime":2849.23,"body":"let me know when it will be"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2849.23,"endTime":2855.41,"body":"published. So that is the end of"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2849.23,"endTime":2855.41,"body":"my academic to help the future"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2855.41,"endTime":2857.75,"body":"students if they are interested"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2855.41,"endTime":2857.75,"body":"to carry on."},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":2859.37,"endTime":2861.98,"body":"I can barely imagine"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":2859.37,"endTime":2861.98,"body":"how much harder it must have"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":2861.98,"endTime":2865.37,"body":"been for students without"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":2861.98,"endTime":2865.37,"body":"dictionaries in Arabic. It must"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":2865.37,"endTime":2866.96,"body":"have made such a big difference."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2867.56,"endTime":2870.23,"body":"Yeah, it's"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2867.56,"endTime":2870.23,"body":"really difficult. The thing"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2870.23,"endTime":2873.59,"body":"which it really encouraged me to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2870.23,"endTime":2873.59,"body":"do it, is because I could see"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2873.59,"endTime":2877.58,"body":"students are handicapped. They"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2873.59,"endTime":2877.58,"body":"don't know English, they don't"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2877.58,"endTime":2882.41,"body":"know German. And this is the two"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2877.58,"endTime":2882.41,"body":"languages is the main languages"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2882.41,"endTime":2888.02,"body":"for anybody who studies Akkadian"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2882.41,"endTime":2888.02,"body":"or Sumerian. Most of the time,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2888.05,"endTime":2890.54,"body":"you know, the postgraduate"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2888.05,"endTime":2890.54,"body":"students, sometimes they came to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2890.54,"endTime":2895.34,"body":"me, I mean, I gave them the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2890.54,"endTime":2895.34,"body":"dictionaries, the CAD and AHw,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2895.7,"endTime":2900.02,"body":"but they don't know how to use"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2895.7,"endTime":2900.02,"body":"it. And then we have to teach"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2900.02,"endTime":2904.13,"body":"them how to use them and how to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2900.02,"endTime":2904.13,"body":"get the letter and I mean, the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2904.37,"endTime":2908.57,"body":"item or the word. They have to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2904.37,"endTime":2908.57,"body":"check with it's Babylonian or"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2908.57,"endTime":2912.41,"body":"Assyrian or something like that."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2908.57,"endTime":2912.41,"body":"So we gave them an idea about"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2912.41,"endTime":2914.15,"body":"it, but they don't know the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2912.41,"endTime":2914.15,"body":"English."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2914.96,"endTime":2919.31,"body":"So that's what I thought is the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2914.96,"endTime":2919.31,"body":"best before I will retire. Now"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2919.31,"endTime":2923.6,"body":"to complete those three"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2919.31,"endTime":2923.6,"body":"dictionaries. I mean, the third"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2923.6,"endTime":2926.84,"body":"one is for scientific research."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2923.6,"endTime":2926.84,"body":"It's really for people who are"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2926.84,"endTime":2929.66,"body":"interested, especially the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2926.84,"endTime":2929.66,"body":"Arabic department they will get"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2929.66,"endTime":2933.05,"body":"benefited from this dictionary,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2929.66,"endTime":2933.05,"body":"because they ... they have 1000s"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2933.05,"endTime":2937.28,"body":"and 1000s of items or words in"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2933.05,"endTime":2937.28,"body":"Sumerian, you could find it in"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2937.28,"endTime":2940.82,"body":"Arabic, and you could find"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2937.28,"endTime":2940.82,"body":"Sumerian in Akkadian and then"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2941.24,"endTime":2944.96,"body":"some Akkadian you find in Arabic"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2941.24,"endTime":2944.96,"body":"as well. And it's up to today."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2944.96,"endTime":2949.73,"body":"Some of them is really used"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2944.96,"endTime":2949.73,"body":"daily, now, we use them. The"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2949.73,"endTime":2953.06,"body":"Arabic department, they are very"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2949.73,"endTime":2953.06,"body":"interested in this dictionary,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2953.06,"endTime":2957.29,"body":"and they are doing some research"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2953.06,"endTime":2957.29,"body":"on that.  They go to trace the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2957.35,"endTime":2960.53,"body":"Arabic word. They have some"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2957.35,"endTime":2960.53,"body":"Arabic words they found what to"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2960.53,"endTime":2964.22,"body":"look at. Instead of saying it's"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2960.53,"endTime":2964.22,"body":"unknown or something, now they"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2964.25,"endTime":2967.55,"body":"know whether it's Akkadian or"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2964.25,"endTime":2967.55,"body":"it's come from the Sumerian"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2967.85,"endTime":2968.54,"body":"language."},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":2969.33,"endTime":2971.52,"body":"Can you give the"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":2969.33,"endTime":2971.52,"body":"listeners an example of one of"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":2971.52,"endTime":2973.98,"body":"these loanwords in daily use in"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":2971.52,"endTime":2973.98,"body":"Arabic please?"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2974.28,"endTime":2978.57,"body":"Well, dishpu."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2974.28,"endTime":2978.57,"body":"Dishpu--in Arabic dibs. This"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2979.95,"endTime":2984.66,"body":"this ... this is very simple"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2979.95,"endTime":2984.66,"body":"word. I mean, nadanu--antanu bil"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2984.72,"endTime":2989.79,"body":"'Arabiy ... in Arabic."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2984.72,"endTime":2989.79,"body":"Nadanu--in Arabic intanu. So you"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2989.79,"endTime":2994.89,"body":"see, even the pronounciation is"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2989.79,"endTime":2994.89,"body":"very close to each other. And"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2994.89,"endTime":3000.86,"body":"then sharaqu--in Arabic saraqa"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":2994.89,"endTime":3000.86,"body":"... saraq. And so forth. Until"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":3000.86,"endTime":3006.44,"body":"now, I think I fulfilled my"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":3000.86,"endTime":3006.44,"body":"career. And I'm happy that I did"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":3006.44,"endTime":3008.84,"body":"something for the future"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":3006.44,"endTime":3008.84,"body":"generation."},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":3009.68,"endTime":3012.44,"body":"Thank you very much"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":3009.68,"endTime":3012.44,"body":"indeed for sharing your memories"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":3012.44,"endTime":3012.83,"body":"today."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":3013.25,"endTime":3016.1,"body":"Alright. Not at"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":3013.25,"endTime":3016.1,"body":"all. You're welcome anytime."},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":3016.85,"endTime":3021.68,"body":"It's a good, great opportunity"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":3016.85,"endTime":3021.68,"body":"for me to put forward my life"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":3022.04,"endTime":3027.02,"body":"from childhood until now. And"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":3022.04,"endTime":3027.02,"body":"then people will have to see,"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":3027.08,"endTime":3031.52,"body":"for the Europeans and for the"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":3027.08,"endTime":3031.52,"body":"others, how difficult we lived"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":3031.52,"endTime":3035.24,"body":"in this period. I mean, I have"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":3031.52,"endTime":3035.24,"body":"lived during my student life"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":3035.45,"endTime":3041.63,"body":"with four revolutions. {LAUGHS}"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":3035.45,"endTime":3041.63,"body":"And yeah, and then finally, we"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":3041.63,"endTime":3046.43,"body":"have this ISIL which is really"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":3041.63,"endTime":3046.43,"body":"is the horrible things in"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":3046.43,"endTime":3051.86,"body":"history of the Nineveh and Mosul"},{"speaker":"Ali al-Juboori","startTime":3046.43,"endTime":3051.86,"body":"well. 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