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Thank you, Jon."},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":215.07,"endTime":218.34,"body":"Can you tell us"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":215.07,"endTime":218.34,"body":"please: who are you and what do"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":218.34,"endTime":218.73,"body":"you do?"},{"speaker":"Ilgi Gercek","startTime":219.57,"endTime":225.06,"body":"I'm Ilgi Gerek. I"},{"speaker":"Ilgi Gercek","startTime":219.57,"endTime":225.06,"body":"am a Hittitologist /"},{"speaker":"Ilgi Gercek","startTime":225.33,"endTime":230.1,"body":"Assyriologist from Turkey. 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What"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":310.08,"endTime":311.13,"body":"are your goals?"},{"speaker":"Ilgi Gercek","startTime":311.99,"endTime":316.82,"body":"Yes, gladly. Our"},{"speaker":"Ilgi Gercek","startTime":311.99,"endTime":316.82,"body":"project started about a year and"},{"speaker":"Ilgi Gercek","startTime":316.82,"endTime":322.34,"body":"a half ago. 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But most of our"},{"speaker":"Ilgi Gercek","startTime":1117.61,"endTime":1121.48,"body":"work is already on academia."},{"speaker":"Ilgi Gercek","startTime":1121.72,"endTime":1122.32,"body":"Right, Selim?"},{"speaker":"Selim Adali","startTime":1122.71,"endTime":1124.39,"body":"That's correct,"},{"speaker":"Selim Adali","startTime":1122.71,"endTime":1124.39,"body":"yes. 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There are, according to"},{"speaker":"Ilgi Gercek","startTime":1138.55,"endTime":1143.26,"body":"a recent estimation, about"},{"speaker":"Ilgi Gercek","startTime":1143.29,"endTime":1149.17,"body":"120,000 cuneiform tablets"},{"speaker":"Ilgi Gercek","startTime":1143.29,"endTime":1149.17,"body":"distributed across museums and"},{"speaker":"Ilgi Gercek","startTime":1149.17,"endTime":1154.09,"body":"some published private"},{"speaker":"Ilgi Gercek","startTime":1149.17,"endTime":1154.09,"body":"collections in Turkey. 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So ...so the joke"},{"speaker":"Selim Adali","startTime":1407.6,"endTime":1409.49,"body":"went at my school."},{"speaker":"Ilgi Gercek","startTime":1410.24,"endTime":1412.88,"body":"There's a pastry"},{"speaker":"Ilgi Gercek","startTime":1410.24,"endTime":1412.88,"body":"shop on Istiklal Caddesi. This"},{"speaker":"Ilgi Gercek","startTime":1412.88,"endTime":1417.83,"body":"is one of the main pedestrian"},{"speaker":"Ilgi Gercek","startTime":1412.88,"endTime":1417.83,"body":"roads in Istanbul, in the old"},{"speaker":"Ilgi Gercek","startTime":1417.83,"endTime":1421.79,"body":"Pera district in Beyolu. And"},{"speaker":"Ilgi Gercek","startTime":1417.83,"endTime":1421.79,"body":"this pastry shop is called"},{"speaker":"Ilgi Gercek","startTime":1421.79,"endTime":1427.34,"body":"Hammurabi. It is a pun,"},{"speaker":"Ilgi Gercek","startTime":1421.79,"endTime":1427.34,"body":"actually. In Turkish \"hamur\""},{"speaker":"Ilgi Gercek","startTime":1427.34,"endTime":1432.5,"body":"means \"dough\". And \"abi\" is"},{"speaker":"Ilgi Gercek","startTime":1427.34,"endTime":1432.5,"body":"\"brother\". So it's the name"},{"speaker":"Ilgi Gercek","startTime":1432.5,"endTime":1436.43,"body":"Hammurabi \"and brother dough\". I"},{"speaker":"Ilgi Gercek","startTime":1432.5,"endTime":1436.43,"body":"always make a point of sharing"},{"speaker":"Ilgi Gercek","startTime":1436.43,"endTime":1442.19,"body":"that in class. So we have lots"},{"speaker":"Ilgi Gercek","startTime":1436.43,"endTime":1442.19,"body":"of like Hattusha corner shops"},{"speaker":"Ilgi Gercek","startTime":1442.22,"endTime":1448.28,"body":"and Gilgamesh convenience stores"},{"speaker":"Ilgi Gercek","startTime":1442.22,"endTime":1448.28,"body":"and these names exists in our"},{"speaker":"Ilgi Gercek","startTime":1448.31,"endTime":1449.33,"body":"daily repertoire."},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":1450.46,"endTime":1453.43,"body":"Is there a Turkish"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":1450.46,"endTime":1453.43,"body":"translation of Gilgamesh for"},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":1453.43,"endTime":1453.88,"body":"example?"},{"speaker":"Selim Adali","startTime":1454.87,"endTime":1457.84,"body":"That's a good"},{"speaker":"Selim Adali","startTime":1454.87,"endTime":1457.84,"body":"question. There are four"},{"speaker":"Selim Adali","startTime":1458.11,"endTime":1466.06,"body":"translations that I know of. We"},{"speaker":"Selim Adali","startTime":1458.11,"endTime":1466.06,"body":"have a translation 1973 by Sevin"},{"speaker":"Selim Adali","startTime":1466.06,"endTime":1470.86,"body":"Kutlu and Teoman Dural. They"},{"speaker":"Selim Adali","startTime":1466.06,"endTime":1470.86,"body":"translated from Sandars'"},{"speaker":"Selim Adali","startTime":1471.31,"endTime":1478.6,"body":"Gilgamesh. We have a translation"},{"speaker":"Selim Adali","startTime":1471.31,"endTime":1478.6,"body":"of the main segments from 1973,"},{"speaker":"Selim Adali","startTime":1478.81,"endTime":1484.3,"body":"by Muazzez lmiye , who was"},{"speaker":"Selim Adali","startTime":1478.81,"endTime":1484.3,"body":"one of the keepers at the"},{"speaker":"Istanbul Archaeological Museums","startTime":1484.3,"endTime":1489.94,"body":"\"Gilgamesh, the first hero king"},{"speaker":"Istanbul Archaeological Museums","startTime":1489.94,"endTime":1495.55,"body":"in history\", as it is named. So"},{"speaker":"Istanbul Archaeological Museums","startTime":1489.94,"endTime":1495.55,"body":"it also has illustrations; it"},{"speaker":"Istanbul Archaeological Museums","startTime":1495.58,"endTime":1502.33,"body":"aims especially for a young"},{"speaker":"Istanbul Archaeological Museums","startTime":1495.58,"endTime":1502.33,"body":"audience So we have Orhan Suda's"},{"speaker":"Istanbul Archaeological Museums","startTime":1502.36,"endTime":1506.11,"body":"translation of Jean Bottro's"},{"speaker":"Istanbul Archaeological Museums","startTime":1502.36,"endTime":1506.11,"body":"translation of the Gilgamesh"},{"speaker":"Istanbul Archaeological Museums","startTime":1506.14,"endTime":1511.39,"body":"Epic. It is named in Turkish, if"},{"speaker":"Istanbul Archaeological Museums","startTime":1506.14,"endTime":1511.39,"body":"I may translate, as \"the"},{"speaker":"Gilgamesh Epic","startTime":1511.39,"endTime":1518.65,"body":"the great man"},{"speaker":"Gilgamesh Epic","startTime":1511.39,"endTime":1518.65,"body":"who does not want to die\". And"},{"speaker":"Gilgamesh Epic","startTime":1518.71,"endTime":1524.02,"body":"there's a translation by Sait"},{"speaker":"Gilgamesh Epic","startTime":1518.71,"endTime":1524.02,"body":"Maden, named \"Gilgamesh Epic\","},{"speaker":"Gilgamesh Epic","startTime":1524.08,"endTime":1532.66,"body":"and it is dated 2013. Let me"},{"speaker":"Gilgamesh Epic","startTime":1524.08,"endTime":1532.66,"body":"also add Muzaffer Ramazanolu's"},{"speaker":"Gilgamesh Epic","startTime":1532.72,"endTime":1540.43,"body":"translation from 1998 titled,"},{"speaker":"Gilgamesh Epic","startTime":1532.72,"endTime":1540.43,"body":"\"The Gilgamesh Epic\". Jon, there"},{"speaker":"Gilgamesh Epic","startTime":1540.43,"endTime":1543.67,"body":"is also a translation of the"},{"speaker":"Gilgamesh Epic","startTime":1540.43,"endTime":1543.67,"body":"Sumerian stories of Gilgamesh."},{"speaker":"Gilgamesh Epic","startTime":1544.09,"endTime":1547.57,"body":"So, what happened was I"},{"speaker":"Gilgamesh Epic","startTime":1544.09,"endTime":1547.57,"body":"translated the Sumerian stories"},{"speaker":"Gilgamesh Epic","startTime":1547.57,"endTime":1552.19,"body":"of Gilgamesh in 2019. So, that's"},{"speaker":"Gilgamesh Epic","startTime":1547.57,"endTime":1552.19,"body":"been published. It's available"},{"speaker":"Gilgamesh Epic","startTime":1552.19,"endTime":1554.29,"body":"to the Turkish reading public."},{"speaker":"Jon Taylor","startTime":1555.27,"endTime":1556.41,"body":"Thank you very much."},{"speaker":"Ilgi Gercek","startTime":1556.95,"endTime":1559.68,"body":"Thank you, Jon, for"},{"speaker":"Ilgi Gercek","startTime":1556.95,"endTime":1559.68,"body":"the invitation. 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