MAKING UX WORK: The Joe Natoli Podcast
Welcome to real talk about the invisible work behind a UX career — work that is by turns extremely difficult and deeply personal. This isn’t the interview show it once was. It’s just me now, talking honestly about the stuff that rarely makes it into UX conference talks — dealing with impostor syndrome, setting boundaries, navigating politics, surviving bad managers, and growing into the designer you want to be.
If you’ve ever wondered if it’s just you... it’s not.
And if you've ever wondered if things can change...here's the proof that they can.
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PLEASE NOTE: I no longer interview guests.
Agents, please do not send me requests to have someone you're representing on the show. The answer is always going to be no.
MAKING UX WORK: The Joe Natoli Podcast
Your Way Is the RIGHT Way.
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There’s more than one way to push back — and not all of them look like confrontation.
In this episode, Joe talks about different styles of influence, why “going along to get along” quietly erodes confidence and how asking better questions can shift power. He builds on the idea that influence doesn’t require force.
You’ll hear how pulling people forward — instead of pushing back — can lower resistance, surface fear, and change the dynamic in the room without escalating conflict. Without triggering defensiveness.
This is about finding your way of asserting yourself — and trusting that it’s valid, even if it doesn’t look like anyone else’s.
It's about asserting yourself without becoming someone you’re not — and learning how to move situations forward in a way that feels honest and sustainable. And once you stop trying to do things the “right” way, something interesting happens:
You start doing them a LOT more effectively.
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Special thanks to the incomparable Lisa Baskett for her amazing late-night-DJ-smoother-than-silk voiceover ;-)
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Each episode explores the human side of UX and product careers — confidence, power, impostor syndrome, boundaries and the challenges that never show up in books or conference talks.
No hype. No platitudes. Just honest perspective, earned the hard way.