Art of Homeschooling Podcast

How Art Anchors Learning at Home

• Jean Miller • Season 1 • Episode 234

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EP234: Art anchors learning at home and can serve as a powerful tool for teaching across all subject areas.

In this episode of the Art of Homeschooling Podcast, Jean is joined by guest Robyn Beaufoy, CEO of Waldorfish. The award-winning Weekly Art Foundations program created by Waldorfish offers a guided path for parents to bring art to their children at home.

Robyn and Jean explore how art makes learning more memorable while also building key skills like focus, perseverance, and problem-solving.

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Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

You're listening to the Art of Homeschooling podcast, where we help parents cultivate creativity and connection at home. I'm your host, jean Miller, and here on this podcast you'll find stories and inspiration to bring you the confidence you need to make homeschooling work for your family. Let's begin. Hello and welcome to the Art of Homeschooling podcast. I'm your host, jean Miller, and today we are talking about how art can truly anchor learning at home. If you've ever wondered how to bring more joy and connection into your homeschool without adding more to your plate, this episode is for you. I'm joined by my dear friend and longtime collaborator, robin Beaufoy of Waldorfish. Hi Robin, hi Jean, thanks so much for joining me today for this conversation about how art anchors learning.

Robyn Beaufoy, Waldorfish:

Thank you for having me. It's one of my favorite topics.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

Yeah, I know I'm really looking forward to this conversation. So Robin and I share a deep love for the arts in education and when we first started talking about this episode, we knew from the beginning that our real goal here is to inspire and equip you, homeschooling parents, to see artistic activities not as extras but as essential tools that really help to ground and deepen your learning at home. Before we get started, I just want to share a little bit about Robin.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

An early career as a park ranger led Waldorfish CEO, robin Beaufoy to her love of illustrating and education. Trained initially as both a public school and Waldorf teacher, she has been involved in art and education for over 25 years, including homeschooling her two children for some of that time. Robin is the keeper of the creative vision held by the Waldorfish team, which serves up modern, waldorf-inspired curriculum resources for homeschooling families and teacher training. Working out of the premise that life is short but sweet, she empowers soul-filled teachers and families to find their joy in teaching and making art. Robin is the author, illustrator of From here to Everywhere, a book for children and their grown-ups about living our best lives and sometimes losing someone we love. Welcome.

Robyn Beaufoy, Waldorfish:

Robin, thank you. It's always so funny to hear someone else read about you, to read your bio.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

It's me. I always have that feeling too when I'm introduced as a speaker. So we're going to start out with why we see art as so essential to learning, how it helps to ground the learning, anchor the learning, and I want to first share this idea that Rudolf Steiner really designed the Waldorf approach around the arts because he wanted an education that would reach the heart and hands as well as the mind and that's something we hear about Waldorf a lot, right, head, heart and hands and he felt like the arts were the thing to go beyond just the academic, intellectual learning. So just a brief little background.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

Listeners, you've heard me talk about this a number of times before, probably, but Steiner set out to organize a school back in 1919 where the lessons were hands-on and engaging rather than abstract. That was his main mission to avoid the abstract. And the quick summary is that when he was asked to design this school, he traveled all over Europe and observed in classrooms in order to come up with his approach, and what he felt like he saw everywhere was the teacher-centered classroom where the teacher was up front giving information, and it really moved him to come up with a hands-on approach that was centered around the arts, like I said. So why the arts? In his words he said that because it helps to bring us joy as human beings and to make the learning more memorable, helps our children remember what they're learning.

Robyn Beaufoy, Waldorfish:

Yeah, I think that he knew that art builds the muscles that we use in learning everything, doesn't matter what subject like. If we are actively, rhythmically, consistently engaging in art, then we are exercising the muscles that we use in learning any subject. So I think he saw it as the logical thread to sort of tie all of the subjects together.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

Oh my gosh, I love that. And just yesterday, in a group coaching call for Inspired at Home we were talking about you know, we can all get stuck into that, like here's the checklist and we have to cover the subject. And I was saying, okay, let's just zoom out for a moment and recognize that, especially in the elementary years, but really all through the learning years, all through our lives as human beings.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

We don't want to cover the subject Right we want to spark interest, we want to help our children create these threads of connection in their brains, like you're describing right. And there is something that I find so honorable, or I'm not sure what the emotion is, but I am very moved by the fact that you described so well that it seemed like Steiner knew he knew that the arts help our brains engage the material. That's so wonderful. Arts help our brains engage the material that's so wonderful. So just a quick little, like your own story when did you do you think you first encountered this principle of art being so essential or anchoring the learning?

Robyn Beaufoy, Waldorfish:

I'm going to speak like based on my own personal experience, and this is something that I continue to relearn every time I face something difficult in my life is that I am reminded of times when I've been working on an art piece painting, charcoal, drawing, whatever where I've hit the panic point where I'm convinced like, oh, this is terrible, there's no coming back from this, it's a disaster, I'm just gonna scrap it. But the need for perseverance in art is then, like I see it, reflected in my daily life. Every time I come up against something that's potentially difficult, I feel like, over the years, I have, through art, been developing like this perseverance, the ability to like show up and face something that's scary or difficult, or complicated, oh my gosh, scary, difficult, complicated.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

It really speaks to what children gain through artistic experiences, through engaging in artistic experiences, and I do really believe that when parents can embrace this idea, it helps us sort of step out of that mode of feeling like we have to learn it first and then we're teaching this skill of some sort to our children. And really it's so much bigger than that. It's about navigating life, and how we come to engage in artistic activity is going to help the learning progress further and also help us develop as human beings.

Robyn Beaufoy, Waldorfish:

Yeah, to help us human better, as my daughter likes to say.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

Yeah, and there really is science that shows. Artistic work builds habits like focus, patience, like you said, perseverance, attention to detail. It also brings out creativity, helps us build confidence, helps our children learn problem solving skills, self-expression, all of those things. So, for those of you listening, if you want to hear more about this, check out episode number 139 on the podcast the Top Five Things Children Gain From Doing Art, for a deeper dive into specifically five benefits of artistic experiences for children, including focus, creativity, perseverance, confidence and problem-solving skills, and we'll put a link to that episode in the show notes for this one, which you can find at artofhomeschoolingcom, slash episode 234.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

Before we move on to talking about art as a learning tool more specifically, I want to share a quote from Rudolf Steiner that I'm going to come back to again at the end because I think after our conversation it will deepen the meaning, I think, of this quote. But Rudolf Steiner said the heart of the Waldorf method is the conviction that education is an art. It must speak to the child's experience. To educate the whole child, His heart must be reached as well as, I'm going to say, her mind. Right, the heart and the mind. So now let's explore that idea that art is really a learning tool, not just an added subject. So do you want to start off Either way? I have some examples, but do you want to give any concrete examples of that?

Robyn Beaufoy, Waldorfish:

Sure, I have a few, and I'm curious to see what you have to say as well. So the first one that pops into my mind is form drawing being tied to handwriting skills. Yep. Another example that came to me pretty quickly is with clay modeling. It builds like fine motor coordination, spatial reasoning or like 3d thinking. Handwork reinforces counting patterns. It's sort of like embodying math, basically in your body. Yeah, illustrating from a story that you've heard or you know, read yourself. You're working on comprehension, sequencing, synthesizing information, making meaning. It just goes on and on and on making meaning.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

It just goes on and on and on. Yeah, what are some ideas you have? So mine are, and this overlaps with some of yours, which is fascinating because of course, it does right.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

I know, so I'm thinking of movement and games or simply verse recitation, like movement passing beanbags can help us memorize a poem. It can also help get the math in our bodies, like for children to actually experience doing some movement while they're skip counting or something like that. And I know I've read and experienced this. But so often a description of the kindergarten years even though with the Waldorf approach we're not doing formal lessons, quote unquote yet but all those movement games and circle time, verse recitations and songs and all that they are actually developing the pre-literacy and pre-math skills that are needed for when kids get a little bit older. They really form that foundation.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

And so one other one I wanted to mention was drama, because it's one of my favorite ones, right, the idea of bringing a story to life through either a full body, like acting it out, experience, or using puppets of some kind, like a puppet show of a fairy tale or something like that. So I have a real fun memory of one of my favorite moments when our oldest Isaac was probably in fourth grade and we were doing Norse myths and he just decided I mean, we had done puppet shows together before, but he just decided he was going to make a whole puppet show of Thor's hammer, thor's hammer and he created the theater. He, he sewed each of the puppets. He, he made the hammer out of cardboard, attached to a string, so he could, you know, dangle it. I mean, it was all so sweet. And then he performed it for his homeschooling friends. I will tell you that to this day, that is one of his favorite, of course, memorable Norse myths. Like he will remember that forever.

Robyn Beaufoy, Waldorfish:

Because he embodied it as he was sewing the puppets and building the stage and practicing his lines and you know it's in him now.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

Yeah, exactly right. He will just remember it forever and it really brought the story to life for him. So to me, that's the most important thing to keep in mind here is that these experiences stick with children so much more than worksheet based or textbook based learning, right, all right, so let's touch on the objection that we both hear from parents often, which is what if I'm not an artist?

Robyn Beaufoy, Waldorfish:

This question lands in our Waldorfish inbox like every week. I want to bring more art to my children, but I am not an artist. I don't know how I can't do this. I have my own fear. You know. I have my own issues with comparison syndrome. So how can I possibly bring this to my children?

Robyn Beaufoy, Waldorfish:

And I always fall back on using the analogies of child or ourselves to pick up a new instrument and play a flawless concerto right out the gate. We would never expect that of ourselves or our children. And yet when we sit down to make art, all sorts of inner demons come to the surface and we feel like we're a failure and we're not an artist and I have no talent and I can't do this. And it's such an interesting. I don't know. It's what our brains do to us. But yeah, we don't expect that kind of perfection in any other area, especially, you know, with sports. As another example, I don't expect to be able to go out my front door and run a marathon without ever having practiced, trained, put the miles in over the months and weeks leading up to it, right?

Robyn Beaufoy, Waldorfish:

I would never expect that of myself, so when I'm talking about this with caregivers, I'd love to use the expression pencil miles, which is something that John Muir Laws coined.

Robyn Beaufoy, Waldorfish:

I don't know if you're familiar with his nature of journaling work but he puts it so well when he refers to pencil miles, which is basically, we need to understand that in order to gain artistic skills and, to quote unquote, get better at something artistic, we have to train for it. We have to put the pencil miles in, or the brush miles or the crayon miles, whatever you know, we have to do the work. We have to put the pencil miles in, or the brush miles or the crayon miles, whatever you know, we have to do the work. We have to show up consistently and practice, and it's so important to model that for our children as well.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

Yeah, I love that quote. Art is a practice, not a performance, Right, because it really is about the practice and actually being vulnerable enough to allow our children to see us practice.

Robyn Beaufoy, Waldorfish:

Yeah, to make mistakes. I mean, if there are any mistakes in art but you know to like have the paint not go where we thought it was going to go, or have the charcoal make this not so great smudge on the side of the page. They need to see us have those moments and then they need to be allowed to watch what we choose to do, what we say, how we meet that moment, how we respond, because as they're watching us, they're also building their own inner voice, the voice that's going to talk to them when they meet these similar experiences in life, but in art as well Making mistakes really does model resilience, and then also creative thinking, like you said, how we're going to respond to those mistakes, what we're going to do next as a result.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

Yeah, so I would love for you to just take a moment to share how Waldorfish helps parents feel more confident by giving the step-by-step guidance that you do so well in each of your courses.

Robyn Beaufoy, Waldorfish:

Sure, so we have built a three-course series. We have Weekly Art Foundations, weekly Art Diving Deeper and Weekly Art Beyond, and that's the sequence of three courses, but they are built around this method that we teach called the art show, which is something we teach families how to do at the end of each lesson to help pull out the positive threads and focus more on those and on the process than on the final product.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

Yeah, and I love the attention or the focus on being descriptive about the process right, describing what it was like to create this piece of art and then just learning from, like, letting it be yes, we're always going to learn something from that, and it's such a gentle approach I think. So inside my Inspired at Home community we talk all the time about all of artistic expression as the lively arts, because it's something that Steiner mentioned in his lectures to those very first teachers. And those arts I'll just mention here storytelling is one of them and that you know. We use stories as bringing new content and material to children when we're doing lessons and then weaving all these other arts in movement, drama, poetry, painting, modeling, drawing they all do help enliven the learning and bring life, like you know, more engagement, I would say, to the lessons themselves. So I think that the key message, the takeaway message here is that you don't need to be an artist right To bring artistic experiences into your homeschool and it's actually better.

Robyn Beaufoy, Waldorfish:

I was just going to say that I think it's better if you're not. I think it's better if you're willing to sit down right next to your child and learn along with them and model that process of growth, mindset, sitting down, having these experiences and these feelings and emotions while you're creating art and how you're choosing to work through it and to meet the moment. You can't do that if you're already an expert at the thing.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

Right, and so that idea of this being a better way. I just think that is. It's beautiful, it's freeing in a lot of ways and it's so. It's not about learning an artistic skill and then teaching that skill to your children.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

And there might be a time and place for that as your kids are older, or they might choose to go learn from someone else, right, certain artistic skills. But it's really for our homeschooling. It's really about weaving these arts the lively arts I like to call them, but weaving all these arts into the lessons in a way that help bring those lessons alive. Yeah, I agree. To me, I think the best way to describe this is that in the Waldorf approach, lessons are taught through the arts. Like the arts aren't an add-on, the arts are really a vehicle for teaching. Whether it's about literature, history, science, even math, the arts are a vehicle for teaching the content.

Robyn Beaufoy, Waldorfish:

Yes, not just a separate subject that you do one time a week, or however. It's like the vehicle, did you say that? That's what's coming to mind? It's the vehicle that we use to teach all these other subjects.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

Yeah, and you can practice art anytime too. That whole practice that we were talking about. It really does help us get more comfortable and our children to have a few ideas that we want to share of how you might bring lessons to life with the arts. There's so many ways to do this, just so many different ways, so I'm just going to start off and then we can maybe go back and forth. But one of them is to learn songs and poems about the stories that you're bringing to your children. So if it's animal fables in second grade, learn some songs and poems about the stories that you're bringing to your children. So if it's animal fables in second grade, learn some songs and poems about animals. That makes it more of a creative and artistic experience. That is something that sort of brings it to life in a new dimension.

Robyn Beaufoy, Waldorfish:

I was thinking of like if you're working on a particular time in history or if you're learning about a particular time in history, you can learn handwork skills from that region, from that time in the world. I always think of finger loop braiding, which is, I think it originated sort of middle ages Europe but used for creating laces and ties and trim for clothing. That's a fantastic way to bring history alive is to find the corresponding handwork project.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

Maybe our conversation will help you view this a new way, but the simple action of that lesson rhythm of presenting a story and drawing or painting a picture of it and then summarizing it to help your child practice reading but also engage with the story in a different way, like I often say, draw or paint a picture of something that you found interesting and what was a moment of interest for you in this story, and then bring that to life in using your own creative powers by creating this picture.

Robyn Beaufoy, Waldorfish:

You mentioned fables, animals, yeah, okay, so I was thinking you could work with modeling beeswax or with clay and you could work on modeling some of the animals that you've been talking about. That would be another way to sort of integrate using your hands and moving and making something.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

Right. Or, like my son did, creating it into a puppet play, right, a myth or any kind of story. You can retell it using characters. Right now, I'm working on a puppet play that we're going to be doing at the Taproot Teacher Training this summer, and we're using a shadow puppet theater. Oh cool, yeah, so we're doing the story of Johnny Appleseed. The puppets themselves are made out of really dark paper so that when the light shines behind it's a silhouette. Oh, so beautiful. Yeah, they are, yeah, and really fun to do. So any other ideas? Do you have some more?

Robyn Beaufoy, Waldorfish:

Well, I always go right to paint something, draw something, you know. So I was trying to come up with examples that were artistic but not automatically involve watercolor painting, but there's always opportunities to paint a part of what you're learning Drawings.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

Yeah, I'm thinking of that phenomenological approach to science, where you set up a demonstration and observe what happens. So recording that by drawing or painting what you see what the effect is, can be really a powerful learning experience.

Robyn Beaufoy, Waldorfish:

Yeah.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

So I think each of these artistic activities is not only the experience of doing art, but it also brings so much learning with it. The word that I used before, was it adds another dimension, I think, to the learning before was it adds another dimension, I think, to the learning, and you know back to Steiner's point about why he wanted to bring the arts, create a method that focused on the arts, is that he felt like it makes the learning more memorable, which I've seen it do over and over again.

Robyn Beaufoy, Waldorfish:

Yeah, because we embody it like it becomes a part of us, like your son with the puppet show, and now he knows that myth until the end of time because it's in him.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

Yeah, and I think this is really the essence of hands-on learning that we are bringing things to life using our bodies, using our powers of creative expression. So I'm going to read that Steiner quote one more time, because I think at this point in the conversation it takes on, it makes it sort of now in color, whereas before it would have been in black and white right.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

Shades of yeah, definitely yeah. So here's what Rudolf Steiner said. He said that the heart of the Waldorf method is the conviction that education is an art. It must speak to the child's experience To educate the whole child. His heart must be reached as well as her mind. I changed the pronouns there. Okay, All right. So we're gonna wrap up with just some really specific ideas about how to make art part of your daily or weekly rhythm. We've given lots of examples and ideas, I think already, but we want to encourage you in the week ahead, or if you are in summer planning mode, when the fall rolls around, to encourage you to weave more artistic activity into your day in a lighter way, in a way that feels like oh, we're just trying this out, let's see what happens in a way that feels like oh, we're just trying this out, let's see what happens.

Robyn Beaufoy, Waldorfish:

Right, it doesn't have to be elaborate, it doesn't need to be this fancy setup, it does not need to be elaborate and you don't need to know everything before.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

You do not need to be the expert Right, so what?

Robyn Beaufoy, Waldorfish:

are some ideas that we want to share here. Well, a fallback for me is always just choosing a single watercolor pigment like you know, the liquid watercolor pigments and just playing with that on a wet piece of watercolor paper for five minutes or 15 minutes, however many minutes it feels like it's useful, but it's very calming and very grounding. Yeah, so simple.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

So simple, so so simple. Another thing that you might do and Robin kind of alluded to this but you could pick one handwork activity like finger knitting or beeswax modeling, and just sit with it, just like do it, no pressure, no outcomes in mind, you could invite your kiddos in or not, you could just sit and start and they might join in or they might watch, or they might not at all, and you're just doing it to explore the artistic expression on your own.

Robyn Beaufoy, Waldorfish:

And the invitation to handwork is also lovely, like during a read aloud or you know that sort of scenario. So if you're reading to your children, they can be engaging their hands with something simple like finger braiding or another project that they're working on. It's a great way to work that in.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

Yeah, and so Robin and I we came up with this little quick list of find ways to weave more artistic experience into your either day or your week, without pressure. So choose any of these ideas that feels light to you and feels like oh, I want to try that. So one idea that Robin had was wet on wet Wednesdays, or handwork after lunch as a relaxing time. Do some handwork after lunch, color before story time, have some beeswax modeling, or something kids can do with their hands while you're telling a story. These can be really calming, have a grounding effect, a calming effect, and when we do these activities regularly, again and again, they're part of our rhythm. They help to anchor our day Right.

Robyn Beaufoy, Waldorfish:

Yeah, they become an anchor in all of the busyness of the world and our homeschooling lives, just our regular lives. Knowing to anticipate these moments really is anchoring, and knowing that the expectation isn't going to be perfection. It's just about showing up, slowing down, maybe being a little bit quieter and sort of regulating our nervous systems together. That makes it so much easier for kids to show up willingly when there's no expectation of any kind of perfection.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

Right, and so I think that we want to mirror that, allow that invitation to be something for us too. Yes, to be really gentle and just have this help to simplify our days, to create a flow, have these little tiny anchors that you just want to try out. Maybe you want to try for the month of September, adding one of these in to your weekly or your daily rhythm.

Robyn Beaufoy, Waldorfish:

Can I add one more that I have loved over the years, something with my kids that I've called drawing the day, which is where they before bedtime after all the bedtime stuff has been taken care of they think about their day, they sort of reflect back on their day, which in itself has a lot of value. They choose one part that was memorable. It could be a favorite or not, maybe it was a moment that wasn't so great and they just are invited to draw it. Nothing elaborate again, like you know, it's not a full blown masterpiece, it can just be a quick little pencil sketch. But that drawing the day ritual before bedtime has been something that my family has enjoyed over the years.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

That is beautiful, oh my gosh. So we had this spark of an idea that it would be fun to invite you listeners to share any of these little creations or moments of flow that you design like add into your day. You could tag Robin and me on social media with your creations.

Robyn Beaufoy, Waldorfish:

We would love to see it. It's so fun to see what everybody's up to.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

It is so much fun, and so we'll put that in the show notes. But, robin, how would they tag you With?

Robyn Beaufoy, Waldorfish:

at Walderfish pretty much everywhere. Facebook, instagram those are the places I check. I think we're probably other places too. I personally am keeping track of Instagram and Facebook.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

Okay, so, and me too, I'm at artofhomeschooling on Instagram and art of homeschooling with Jean on Facebook. We would love to see, like Robin said, it's so fun.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

And I think when we share, we give each other not only permission to practice right, which is what we want to do, an invitation right to try this out, to practice bringing more artistic expression into your lives, but also to give each other ideas, like it'll spark ideas for other people. So please do share. So do you want to mention about your weekly art courses? I would love to hear about that.

Robyn Beaufoy, Waldorfish:

Yeah. So Weekly Art Foundations was developed basically to be an antidote to help families with this comparison syndrome. I can't teach my child art because I'm not an artist mindset, so we put together this series of 34 art lessons, so basically one per week over the stretch of a school year, and they are video basedbased, waldorf-inspired. They're taught by trained Waldorf teachers slash home educators, so you get the valuable perspective of both and no previous experience required. You can show up new with your child. Neither of you needs to know anything. Any skills that are used in the lessons are taught in the lessons. And then we also, like I mentioned earlier, we teach a strategy right from the very beginning that families can use with each lesson, called the art show method, which helps combat the tendency towards comparison and helping focus on the process, always the process versus the finished product.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

Always the process versus the finished product, and've gotten to preview some of those lessons and they're just so gentle and step by step, like we need often when we feel like we're beginners or we're a little nervous about it.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

Right, a lot of scaffolding going on A lot of scaffolding and really creative and fun, yeah, I think, for the whole family. And then I'll also link in the show notes. There are two other podcast episodes one I mentioned, which is the top five things children gain from doing art, and then there's another one called weaving the lively arts into our lessons. So I will link to both of those in the show notes as well. Fantastic, yeah. So I'm just going to wrap up here. So whether it's watercolor painting or drawing a picture from a story, putting on a simple puppet play, whatever it is, the arts really do have the power to anchor the learning and nurture the whole child head, heart and hands, like we talked about. So thank you so much for tuning in today and thank you, robin, for joining me.

Robyn Beaufoy, Waldorfish:

Thank you for having me. As always, I love getting together and chatting with you.

Jean Miller, Art of Homeschooling:

It's really fun. So if this episode sparked some new ideas for you, we'd love to hear about them. Be sure to share your creations and tag us on Instagram and Facebook. And yes, please, yes, please, and don't forget to check out Weekly Art Foundations from Waldorfish. It's a beautiful way to make art doable, joyful and grounding in your homeschool life, and here's to enjoying artistic experiences with our children. I love it. Thanks so much, robin. Thank you, jean. Thanks listeners, we'll see you next time. Bye for now, robin. Thank you, jean. Thanks listeners, we'll see you next time. Bye for now. That's all for today, my friend, but here's what I want you to remember Rather than perfection, let's focus on connection. Thanks so much for listening, and I'll see you on the next episode of the Art of Homeschooling podcast.