Why This Graphic Designer Walked Away From Logos...and Never Looked Back

Most graphic designers think success means landing bigger clients, charging higher rates, or becoming known for logos and branding.

Anton Duong took a completely different path.

What started as a hobby printing stickers turned into a thriving business serving artists, designers, and even major brands like Pop-Tarts and Cheez-It. 

In this episode of the Angry Designer podcast, Anton shares how he discovered an overlooked niche, why taking a 30-day chance changed everything, and how finding the right community helped build a business he never expected.

If you've ever wondered whether there's another path to success in design, this conversation might completely change how you think about your career.

In this episode, you'll discover:
• Why niche businesses often beat crowded design services
• How a simple 30-day experiment became a successful creative business
• Why community, relationships, and showing up matter more than you think
• How stickers became one of the most powerful branding tools 
• The mindset every designer needs before walking away from the industry

Whether you're a freelance graphic designer, agency owner, or creative looking for your next opportunity, this episode is proof that sometimes the best design career isn't the one everyone else is chasing.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Mostly everything that you see on our Instagram feed, like last year, we were able to work with Pop Tarts, Cheez Its, and uh yeah, they're real cool. It's just so crazy that, you know, we get to work with one of my favorite breakfast treats in the party.

SPEAKER_01 0:21

There's one thing that all designers like obsessed over, and I'm and I'm realizing, you know, it's replaced the business card. And that is the sticker. Okay, everybody goes crazy over stickers. This is like such, it's become such a cool thing in our space. And so in hanging out with everybody here, I have met and made a new friend. State your name, please.

SPEAKER_03 0:42

Hi, my name is Anton Duong, and I run a sticker company called Sticker Print Go.

SPEAKER_01 0:47

Dude, and this isn't just stickers like regular stickers. I mean, the stuff that you were showing us, and we'll talk more about that after, but like it's so cool. Because I mean it's just not flat stickers. No. You know, and it's not like the glittery stickers. Like, we're talking experimenting with like types and it's got fabric and it feels like campus, it's so so texture-like. Yeah. But we'll get into that. We'll get into that. Okay. Your story is awesome. Yes. Okay. And I think it's a great story that people need to hear. So let's start right from the beginning.

SPEAKER_03 1:14

So I have been in a lot of different uh businesses in the past, and uh stickers was kind of like a passion, you know, like something that you kind of love crafting. Someone always finds something that they like to do, and this is probably one of the things that I made as a hobby.

SPEAKER_00 1:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:34

Um now I'm gonna go way back. Way way back. That's okay, that's okay. So uh I have a sister who's nine years older than me, and the thing about her is she lived in a time where a lot of people were living through pop culture. Oh so they collected anything that was toys all the way to stickers, books, comic books. Right. So my sister was collecting stickers. So she had all these amazing, like Lisa Frank uh artwork that she would go through, and if she liked something, she would peel it off and stick it into a sticker uh album. Yep, I remember the sticker album. So sticker albums was kind of like a big thing. Um yeah, and over the years, you know, we we we keep these things and we look through them, and it's such a a novelty. Totally. So over the years, like for me, um I would stick stickers on anything. I collect stickers as well. And then when I got into middle school, I was actually hustling stickers. Yeah, that's and what I mean by that is uh I had a friend who who had a plotting shop where they would do like t-shirts and stuff as well. Uh, and they would cut these decals that usually go on cars. And then uh being in middle school, I had a lot of different classes and had a lot of different friends. So I had this little catalog inside of my folder that would pass around, and they would look through the catalog and see which stickers that they want. So they would order a sticker from me. Awesome. I would take a cut, my buddy would take a cut, and it would take three days to turn around. So I'm in, you know, middle school walking around like all these uh kids, I'm delivering stickers and I'm collecting money. It's just so crazy. And I would buy a lot of video games and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, but that's one of the stories uh about how you know stickers has always been around in my life.

SPEAKER_01 3:19

But this is so cool though, right? Like you're right, I never they're so tied to memories, and this is an incredible one. Yeah, it's it's a memory, it meant something to everybody else, and then for you, it's like this is like an early, early entrepreneurial venture. Yes, okay, okay, okay. This is so cool.

SPEAKER_03 3:34

So we're gonna fast forward a little bit. Um, so I was in the beauty industry for over 10 years. I used to do a lot of packaging for uh a lot of different brands that we work with. Yeah, uh the distribution center that I was working at, we were private labeling a lot of stuff for different brands. Um, stuff that you would see at like Walmart or like Target and stuff in the beauty section. So over the years I would make a lot of different prototypes. I need some type of printer to print these amazing uh detailed stuff. Yep. Because usually when you um high high-end produce all of these things across the ocean, uh they need these things to be approved ahead of time. So I need something that that people could see and then they approve on it. Yeah. So when I left out beauty industry, I started uh just doing stickers for fun because I had that machine. Lo and behold, I met this guy who is a marketing guy who saw what I was doing, and he said, Hey, what do you think about turning this into a business? And his name is Chris Lau. And I barely knew this guy for about a week.

SPEAKER_01 4:35

And then wait, weren't you going to just about like can your your print equipment get out of the stick? That's a huge important part. You can't miss, you can't leave that out. Oh, of course, of course.

SPEAKER_03 4:45

Yeah, we're getting there. The sauce! Yeah, so so I barely met this guy, and I'm telling this guy, I was like, hey, um, to tell you the truth, I don't really want to do stickers anymore. Because I'm a graphic design guy, I I'm a creative. I want to go that route to where I can work with brands. I want to do branding, I want to do logo design. And I even had a call with James Martin. We're calling, we're dropping names here. So I had a I had a call with uh James Martin, and we were on a one-on-one, and he told me if you want to do branding and logo design, don't do stickers anymore. You know, just focus on branding. Because if you're focusing on one thing, people will always know you as the branding guy, the logo guy. Yep. They wouldn't know you as the sticker guy. So going back to the guy that I just met, I I just got a call a call with James, and then I'm going back to this guy. I said, let me think about it. I thought about it for two days. And then my wife said, you know, sometimes you just gotta have take risks. Yep. So I said, you know what? We'll try it for 30 days. So I went up to this guy, I said, Hey, you know what? We only know each other for like seven days. Let's go ahead and try this for 30 days. What do you think?

SPEAKER_01 6:04

Your equipment at that point was what?

SPEAKER_03 6:06

Uh it was a rolling um BN uh printer, and we were printing some pretty good stuff on it.

SPEAKER_01 6:14

So um And it was like it would print on a roll, they'd be like it would cut as well, right? So you were actually, so this is not like uh what a lot of people see. Flat little printers right now are sticker cards. This is full roll.

SPEAKER_03 6:26

Yeah, we're talking about professional machines that you know is eight, nine thousand dollars. Yep, you know, just like any professional camera that you you would want to check.

SPEAKER_01 6:35

You already had it because you were using it for something else.

SPEAKER_03 6:37

Yeah, so I was using it for a lot of like packaging and stuff like that. So definitely like uh it was a game changer for me as a as a graphic designer, a creator for like a lot of different brands. They see something that they like, they approve it, and we're ready to you know go on to the next project. So so yeah, really amazing stuff. And uh during that time I was learning a lot about different materials. I would go overseas to learn like you know how boxes and stuff uh uh work for a lot of those companies. So I had a lot of experience with like you know sourcing materials and stuff. So uh thankfully because of that I had the skills to do that.

SPEAKER_01 7:14

Um you and you and this guy decided to give it how many days to see if it works? We gave ourselves uh maybe like two, three weeks.

SPEAKER_03 7:24

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:25

And and it was like, okay, I'm gonna quit, yeah, but I'm gonna try this for like you know two, three weeks to see if it's worthwhile.

SPEAKER_00 7:32

One last stab at it.

SPEAKER_01 7:33

One last stab and a really tight timeline.

SPEAKER_03 7:36

Very much very much. We actually designed and launched the site within seven days. Awesome. And we only had four products on the site. That's awesome. Yeah, and what'd you use to design it? I use uh Shopify.

SPEAKER_00 7:48

Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_03 7:49

Um, and then I I took one of the templates that they had and I gutted everything out. I have a lot of experience doing like WordPress and stuff, so of course, like you know, you like to go in and customize things and make it look like not Shopify. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, we just launched that in a week, and then uh my good buddy Chris just started doing his thing. We put a couple ads out there, and then he targeted certain things on on a lot of the social media, and then boom, we started getting orders coming, one after the other. And we're like, wow, this this might work. And then we're like, okay, we'll go another month, see how it goes. Keeps going, keeps building. Yeah, and then one thing led to another, like we're like, okay, what's next? We're gonna keep building this thing. And on on top of that, we live in Orlando, there's a lot of creatives there, and a lot of people in Orlando order stickers. Yeah, cool. So we started meeting people and they come to us, they're like, oh, we didn't you guys exist? Where are you guys been? Oh, we just started. Oh, cool, awesome. It's amazing because like we live in a time where you know uh people buy stuff on Amazon, they get stuff like the same day or like second day. And a lot of times when you order stickers, it takes two weeks to even get to you. Even though they say like three to four day turnaround time. Yeah, you're right. We actually overdeliver. Yeah. We actually like let's say an order comes in today, within a day or two, we s we send out a message. If you're if you're local, you can come back to our office and pick it up. Jeez, that's it really blows our mind. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:21

Yeah. Now you're obviously not not just a local sticker shop. That's yeah, right? Yeah. And you continue to keep going and then you keep evolving. So let's say because I mean it's been now three years, I think, since we've got a lot of people. Three years, yeah. Yeah, three years. And what does that look like the past three years? What's growth look like?

SPEAKER_03 9:35

Oh man. Uh we're we're really surprised on how many big corporate companies reach out to us. Uh maybe it's someone that we printed for before that is a designer as well, and then they know that we can deliver. Yeah. So I guess that word of mouth really helps us drive more business.

SPEAKER_01 9:52

So you guys are are using paid ads, you're using organic, using SEO, social. Talk to us about your whole plan.

SPEAKER_03 10:00

Yeah, so we hit a lot of the local markets, farmers market, uh, artist market. We would go to any type of event locally just to kind of put our name out there. Yep. And at this point in Orlando, if you always ask someone like, oh, hey, do you know any sticker place? They're gonna high, highly recommend us because we are pretty much the only sticker shop in Orlando. Yeah. Not only. There's a couple other guys too. Yeah, yeah. Full respect for them. Um, but yeah, like organic traffic is actually very important. And I think like, you know, hitting at a local level, everybody likes to support local. Yes. And by being there and by providing services for other people and they know that they can rely on you, that's more powerful.

SPEAKER_01 10:43

Yeah, fair. Yeah. Now, what about um outside of Orlando? How are you? Because I mean, again, I thought it's brilliant that you're here at Creative South. Yes, you know, for this audience. Again, you're are you are you you're not just focusing on graphic designers, are you?

SPEAKER_03 10:57

No, I'm I'm not focusing on that only. Like for me, I I my real job is I I I'm an instructor. I I teach at the Los Angeles film school. Very cool. So um really props to Los Angeles, L A F S.

SPEAKER_01 11:10

Um, we're gonna have to end this now since I found out you're a prof. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03 11:15

Yeah, so you know We're the good ones, though.

SPEAKER_00 11:17

Yes, of course. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:20

Um yeah, so you know, like I I I think that you know by going outside of just being local, we ship national. Um we kind of build that connection with other people, other artists that by doing like social media posts and then letting other people know about us. And uh when they do find that, you know, they find reviews online, recommendations of other people. Uh I mean there's a couple of companies out there that are sticker companies that kind of went the other route of like you know supporting different things. So when that happened, uh it brought a lot of business to us. And uh they found someone that they that they can trust.

SPEAKER_01 11:57

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:58

So I think building trust with the company, a sticker company would be very important.

SPEAKER_01 12:02

What's the appeal for designers to to I mean, because your stuff's always it's hilarious. I love the stuff that you guys are doing. So are you connecting with graphic designers based on the stuff you're putting out? Because we've seen all kinds of sticker companies, and you're right, a lot of them are just really boring corporate stuff.

SPEAKER_03 12:16

Yeah, because the thing, I I think with stickers is you know, you you can order anywhere, disprint, whatever. Um, but you don't really get the whole fun factor when you get to customize things, things that are new.

SPEAKER_01 12:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:30

Um so people who we work with that are local artists and national artists, they always say, hey, is there anything new, something fun that we can work with? And we always like try to go to like trade shows and we're always sourcing different materials to see if we can make a sticker out of it. Yeah, yeah, because if it sticks, and then you can paint, uh you can print over it, it could be a sticker. So why not like try some?

SPEAKER_01 12:54

Well, here grab the pack, the pack's right there, right? Like, dude, like check this one out. It's like it's it's the canvas material. Yeah, I've just seen that steward. It's just unbelievable.

SPEAKER_00 13:05

How did you get it out of there? Yeah, like feel that, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:08

So we always like working with like different manufacturers that like to go uh the extra mile of doing something different. Like this uh canvas material, it's still vinyl, but it's textured in a way where it has that feel like a canvas. Yeah, yeah. So if you're printing like you know, artwork or anything like that, that is like a painting. Oh yeah, here's another thing people love going to these art galleries, and a lot of times they don't have money to buy any of these artwork. Oh good. They're spending like I mean, the the price tag on these things are like $200, $500, $2,000. And they don't it breaks the bank, right? Yeah. But a lot of times if you can turn it into a sticker of like $5, anyone can afford a sticker. Yeah. Anyone can afford art.

SPEAKER_01 13:53

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 13:54

Yeah, and they get to bring something home that they admire.

SPEAKER_01 13:57

So I I I mean, I love this. And I mean everybody keeps collecting them. You know, now I put them on my skateboards, I've got a skateboard. I mean, that's the challenge. Yeah. Where do we put them? Yeah. So I've I've like adorned a sticker or uh all my stickers from last year on a skateboard that now hangs on my wall. And I put lights on it. It kind of acts like a you know a wall lamp. It's kind of art. And I think that's gonna be an annual thing. Yeah. Because at least it gives purpose for these. But again, it's like every one of these have a meaning. They they have a connection. It's like, oh, I know the guy who did this. Yes. Or I know the designer who did this. I I like the artist who did this. Yeah. So it is, it's it's a fun way to get connected with, I guess. Well, with designers and artists.

SPEAKER_03 14:37

So going back to what you were saying, like uh if if you're going to like these events, you know, uh as a designer or a creative, you always give business cards, right? And this creative south has become a place where people use stickers as a currency of meeting each other, meeting new people.

SPEAKER_02 14:55

That's so true.

SPEAKER_03 14:56

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I I I don't find stickers uh just only for that. Yes. I think stickers are kind of like the best way to market something, yeah, market a brand for a very low price. Yeah. Because you pay thousands of hundreds and thousands of dollars just for like billboard ads, right? You get it, they get a lot of eyes. Yeah, but the great thing about stickers is if you order like a hundred of them, you can scatter it everywhere. They go on laptops, they go on skateboards, they go on like water bottles, and it becomes like a walking billboard. Yeah, it's so guerrilla marketing kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00 15:30

It really is, right?

SPEAKER_01 15:31

Yeah, people stick it on poles and yeah, just leave it out. We do that too. What um so now again, your market's competitive, saturated. There are some big players out there. How are you guys competing against these big brand names?

SPEAKER_03 15:45

A lot of these big brands used to do a lot of marketing where they they would have sales and stuff, but a lot of them actually kind of draw themselves away from doing that. Um, and I think it's mainly because they're big enough to where they have enough clientele.

SPEAKER_01 16:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:01

Um, I'm guessing. But we like to be able to uh have people be able to afford stickers, so we're always continuing to put deals out there so that way, you know, as a creative or someone who's vending, they have a chance to buy something that is cheap enough where they can make a profit off of it. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:21

Yeah, make a living off of it. Oh, that's nice, actually. That's actually really cool. Um, what does the future of your business look like?

SPEAKER_03 16:29

It can only go up from here. Stick around, yeah. Stick around. Uh we're all I just got that. Yeah. And I I guess the only thing is, you know, we're gonna continue finding new products to add to our arsenal. And you know, when we source different things, it just becomes uh a new product that you can add to your business, whether it's food and beverage. So we started doing labels last year because every every person that uh we print stickers that are vinyl uh for usually asks us, oh, do you guys do labels as well? So we're like, okay, we'll do labels. Yeah, it's not on our website. We we don't advertise that on our website mainly because we have so much people ordering labels. So our label printers are printing all day. Yeah, yeah. Wow. But it will eventually be on our website. But if you do need labels, we do offer it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:26

But all custom. Do you um this is just me thinking out loud here, but do you display some of the brands or the logos or the cool stuff that you guys do on your site? Like you have galleries and shit like that.

SPEAKER_03 17:38

We do have a couple of galleries, but mostly everything that you see on our Instagram feed, if anything is that is cool that we work with, like last year, uh, we were able to work with Pop Tarts, really great people, Cheez It's um and uh yeah, they're really cool, really cool people. And uh you can find that on our feed. So every now and then you're gonna see a lot of really very recognizable brands. Yeah. Um, and uh it's just so crazy that you know we get to work with my one of my favorite breakfast uh you know treats in the morning.

SPEAKER_02 18:10

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 18:10

It's poison, and that's so stickerable too. Like you know what I mean. Yeah, so then yeah, that's actually a really good question. Do certain brands lend themselves better to to just stickers, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:20

Yeah, a lot of them are actually very open to to that. Um and some are very a little conservative, but um, I mean we we respect them either way. Yeah, to be honest.

SPEAKER_00 18:31

So they're they're all great brands out there. What's what's the craziest thing you've made a sticker out of?

SPEAKER_03 18:37

Oh, craziest thing that we've made stickers out of. Oh man. Um we do, I mean, I we don't we don't like paper. I mean, it does it last that long, but we always have people asking for paper, and uh there's this person that was doing um uh like I guess wine labels. Like they have this wine labels that are expensive. Yes, they're very expensive. Oh my god, like uh they have uh estate paper, yeah, and we were making like um uh I guess this real estate company where they just want to peel off all the wine labels and then just stick on it. Put their own thing on it, yeah. Right, right. We're like, oh okay, that's uh that's a weird request. Okay, cool. And then uh yeah, you have to peel everything off and then stick new labels on. So yeah. Um but we would they want us to do it for them, so we were just soaking all of the bottles, the wine bottles into like you know, these buckets, and then you would peel everything. Peeling it off. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:33

Well, I mean it's a marketing tool. There's so many things that you could do with stickers, right? Like from exactly that, you know, taking a wine and just making it your own for a promotion to you know just handing it out as business cards. I think you're only kind of limited to I guess I guess your creativity, your imagination for this kind of stuff, right? I love the sticker packs. Everybody's doing sticker packs now, which is insane. Yeah. Do you guys even get into like the the the foiling and and and packaging it all up and such?

SPEAKER_03 19:58

Yeah, so we have a couple of clients that require like uh us to do like the full fulfillment. So we would print the backing paper, we would print the tents, so depending on what type of style that you want to package stickers, we have the staff to do that.

SPEAKER_01 20:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:13

Yeah, but it's of course all custom and stuff. So it's always cool to you know see and work with artists, and that's the thing that that a lot of people don't do at uh a lot of print shops is all they do is just hit print. They don't really work a whole lot with like, oh, maybe we can use these type of materials for this. Oh, you come up with like all different ideas to like you know build a sticker pack. Yes. Because not only like is it like holographic stuff, yeah, I know canvas material, um, but some people only stick to one type of material.

SPEAKER_01 20:45

Right. Some of them that's kind of cool. That's awesome. So as as an as a graphic designer who uh pivoted uh into sticker production, what kind of advice do you have to people who are uh frustrated right now, who are you know frustrated in their space, the competition, maybe they're they're debating on leaving. And we always recommend pivot, don't leave. Yeah, yes, you know, you've got experience, stick in our space and just find something else. You did it and you did it quite successfully. Yes. What kind of advice do you have for them?

SPEAKER_03 21:13

Uh just continue. Take risks. You never know who you're gonna meet, when you're gonna meet him. Uh there's always a right time, right place for something. Yeah. And when it does happen, you might go, uh, how did we get here? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And always putting yourself out there is always important because if I didn't put myself out there, I wouldn't meet you guys. Yeah, I would meet Mike who runs Creative South. Um and I guess like during the time when I was working in the beauty industry, I was very conserved. I I was very I was in my own bubble. Right.

SPEAKER_02 21:44

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 21:44

I didn't really go out there and meet other designers or anything because I'm working in the morning, I go home, eat, and then start the next day over again. So I until I left business, I was like, Oh, what what is out there? Oh, these are my people. Yeah. Yeah, right. Oh I found my people, you know.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

Right. And it is the cool thing is that it's such a cool group of people. Why would you want to leave this space? I mean, I don't think that designers actually step out and meet other designers, hang out, you know, kind of do this kind of community stuff. Because once you start getting into these circles, you know, like it's three years now I've known you, right? I just found out about the whole drifting thing and the protocols are. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 22:24

Yeah, I have a whole thing. Hopefully, like if you guys do come out next year and I'm doing the talk, I'm gonna be sharing a lot of really cool stuff.

SPEAKER_01 22:30

So that's great, right? This is awesome.

SPEAKER_03 22:32

Oh, one more thing I'd like to share. Um so we're talking about community, right? It's always great to be out there. Um I started this thing in Orlando called the stick and slap sticker show. So this is gonna be our third year doing it. For the last two years, we had uh we our first year was 60 people, yes, 60 artists, second year was 80 artists, this year we're gonna go up to 100 artists. So it's all local in Florida. Maybe someday we'll open it up. And we put all of these stickers that are themed to a specific theme. We put in the gallery where everybody can come and see and also buy a sticker. And going back to like, you know, uh, if you wanted to buy posters at a poster show, it's like twenty to twenty five dollars a poster. Right. And uh thanks to Jason Craig for you know helping me kind of think about all the logistics of this because he he's an amazing person. He puts on really amazing poster shows, so uh props to him on that. Um but yeah, like uh all these amazing people would come. And last time we had it, we had over 500 people show up.

SPEAKER_00 23:36

Holy shit.

SPEAKER_03 23:37

Yeah, it was so many people there that I was like, whoa, what what is going on? A lot of people sold lots of stickers, and there was even some people that were um working for different companies that were looking for artists, they were there jottning down names and then reaching out to these artists.

SPEAKER_01 23:53

Yeah, holy crazy idea too. Yeah, so if you're ever in Orlando at the right time, come out and check it out. Well you gotta put that stuff online so we can see it on. I mean, again, I don't know if I'm gonna come up with When's the next one?

SPEAKER_03 24:07

Uh it's gonna be uh in September, October. It's gonna be at a gallery called uh City Arts. Okay. Yeah, we we we're not we haven't announced a theme yet because uh uh in that space there's a lot of different exhibitions. Yeah. And usually they kind of coincide with like uh uh the same theme. Yeah. So I kind of want to follow that tradition and basically meld that together. So whatever theme it is, uh we're gonna represent it. We're gonna represent it really well with the community.

SPEAKER_01 24:34

Are are those artists gonna be on your Instagram?

SPEAKER_03 24:36

Uh yes. Or is it a different Instagram? Uh it's it's a uh different uh Instagram handle. It is um at stick and slap orlando.

SPEAKER_01 24:43

Stick and slap orlando. Stick and slap orlando. All right, well that we're gonna check.

SPEAKER_03 24:48

And then how are people gonna find you? Uh they can find me at Anton Duong on the socials, and also you can find my business at stickerprint go. Stickerprint go.

SPEAKER_01 24:58

Dude, I love this talk. This is so fun. This is so cool to hear about the stories about how people are gonna get up and stay in the industry, not leave the industry.

SPEAKER_00 25:06

And it's and especially putting a timeline on it. Yeah. This is the day. We're going to this point, and if it doesn't work, screw it. That's brilliant. That's crazy that. Because you don't know until you do it. Yeah, but that's all yeah, that's that's our gutsy, man. Like that's really.

SPEAKER_01 25:20

And giving yourself a timeline. So many people, I mean, again, you know, you got your your uh challenges, you know, I'm gonna get your logo challenge, your 90-day poster challenge. Yeah, you know, giving yourself a timeline almost forces you to commit just a small amount of time and look what come out of it. Like a whole flipping business. Amazing stuff. Yeah. So keep doing it. Yeah, keep doing it. Hope you guys got a lot out of this. Um, again, I love these these conversations. They're totally inspirational for me anyway. But again, I think the message here is, of course, you know, don't leave. Pivot. Because I mean, God knows what you can find in this place. That's right. All right, Angry Designers. My name's Massimo. My name is Sean. You are? Anton Duan. Stay creative, and stay angry.