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All"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":1664.16,"endTime":1669.86,"body":"right. So I decided to pick a"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":1669.86,"endTime":1675.59,"body":"crime myself. Okay, great. So I"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":1669.86,"endTime":1675.59,"body":"will be telling the story of the"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":1675.62,"endTime":1677.6,"body":"Kaufman county murders."},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1678.47,"endTime":1681.26,"body":"I don't think this"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1678.47,"endTime":1681.26,"body":"doesn't ring any bells."},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":1681.32,"endTime":1683.78,"body":"Okay. It's a"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":1681.32,"endTime":1683.78,"body":"recent one. I was not on board"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":1683.78,"endTime":1688.73,"body":"with it. But okay. All right. 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