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But he is the person who"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1343.13,"endTime":1346.67,"body":"he is the parent of the child"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1343.13,"endTime":1346.67,"body":"who was pushed into traffic by"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1346.67,"endTime":1350.93,"body":"Kirk and so they think, and he's"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1346.67,"endTime":1350.93,"body":"also bald, and he also has a"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1350.93,"endTime":1354.89,"body":"robe that I think has kind of a"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1350.93,"endTime":1354.89,"body":"floral print on it. So they're"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1354.89,"endTime":1359.06,"body":"like, oh, maybe he's the person"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1354.89,"endTime":1359.06,"body":"that Kirk thinks is the bald"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1359.06,"endTime":1365.0,"body":"woman who attacked him. Or maybe"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1359.06,"endTime":1365.0,"body":"he was performing CPR on him"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1365.0,"endTime":1369.02,"body":"because he's a doctor. Right? So"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1365.0,"endTime":1369.02,"body":"they get a search warrant for"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1369.02,"endTime":1373.4,"body":"his apartment and in the"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1369.02,"endTime":1373.4,"body":"apartment, they find blood on a"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1373.4,"endTime":1378.14,"body":"pair of slippers. And they are"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1373.4,"endTime":1378.14,"body":"wondering if this is enough"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1378.17,"endTime":1383.12,"body":"information to bring him up on"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1378.17,"endTime":1383.12,"body":"arrest charges. Or arrest him on"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1383.12,"endTime":1388.04,"body":"charges of assault or you know,"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1383.12,"endTime":1388.04,"body":"some other charge but the ADA"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1388.43,"endTime":1390.38,"body":"whose name is"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":1391.58,"endTime":1395.12,"body":"Kincaid Kincaid,"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":1391.58,"endTime":1395.12,"body":"what do you think of the new ADA"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":1395.12,"endTime":1397.31,"body":"and the new Lieutenant?"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1397.73,"endTime":1401.12,"body":"I like the new"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1397.73,"endTime":1401.12,"body":"Lieutenant ADA Kincaid. I I'm"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1401.12,"endTime":1405.47,"body":"reserving judgment on she has a"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1401.12,"endTime":1405.47,"body":"little bit of the remember that"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1405.47,"endTime":1408.53,"body":"first season where like there"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1405.47,"endTime":1408.53,"body":"was a lot of people with just"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1408.56,"endTime":1412.7,"body":"vague theatrical accents. She"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1408.56,"endTime":1412.7,"body":"has a little bit of that going"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1412.7,"endTime":1418.46,"body":"on sometimes. Okay, so, but I"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1412.7,"endTime":1418.46,"body":"liked her. I liked Robinette,"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1418.46,"endTime":1422.66,"body":"though. So yeah, it's too bad to"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1418.46,"endTime":1422.66,"body":"see him. Did he go to anything"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1422.66,"endTime":1425.87,"body":"else? Or did he just quit or"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1422.66,"endTime":1425.87,"body":"like leave law and order?"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":1426.29,"endTime":1428.18,"body":"I think he left"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":1426.29,"endTime":1428.18,"body":"law and order and I think he"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":1428.18,"endTime":1429.83,"body":"just did some other kind of"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":1428.18,"endTime":1429.83,"body":"project."},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1429.949,"endTime":1432.709,"body":"Okay. Okay. 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I"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1493.309,"endTime":1495.949,"body":"was trying to save his life and"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1493.309,"endTime":1495.949,"body":"stone is like but you're a"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1495.949,"endTime":1498.559,"body":"doctor and you just left him"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1495.949,"endTime":1498.559,"body":"there and didn't wait for the"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1498.559,"endTime":1502.579,"body":"paramedics. So We could at least"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1498.559,"endTime":1502.579,"body":"bring you up on failure to"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":1502.579,"endTime":1508.549,"body":"report. 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