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Let me just look it up"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":2219.129,"endTime":2219.849,"body":"really quickly."},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":2220.089,"endTime":2222.309,"body":"was on like"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":2220.089,"endTime":2222.309,"body":"Netflix or something?"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":2222.759,"endTime":2226.149,"body":"No, I had to sign up"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":2222.759,"endTime":2226.149,"body":"for a service called like, epics"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":2226.329,"endTime":2232.359,"body":"epi x to watch it. Oh, okay."},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":2226.329,"endTime":2232.359,"body":"Okay. Oh, yeah. So it was 2020."},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":2232.389,"endTime":2237.009,"body":"And it's got like a seven out of"},{"speaker":"Enn Burke","startTime":2232.389,"endTime":2237.009,"body":"10 on IMDb. 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