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But he's held the entire"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3468.18,"endTime":3472.83,"body":"time pending to other charges."},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3472.83,"endTime":3477.24,"body":"So he's first tried for the"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3472.83,"endTime":3477.24,"body":"murder of many admins, the 46"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3477.24,"endTime":3481.95,"body":"year old, it ends up in a hung"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3477.24,"endTime":3481.95,"body":"trial. They just get deadlocked"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3482.01,"endTime":3485.64,"body":"and so they just missed. Then"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3482.01,"endTime":3485.64,"body":"he's tried for the assault and"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3485.64,"endTime":3489.09,"body":"attempted rape of elbow"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3485.64,"endTime":3489.09,"body":"Barreiro. The first trial ends"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3489.09,"endTime":3492.81,"body":"up getting thrown out for lawyer"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3489.09,"endTime":3492.81,"body":"misconduct. Everything is"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3492.81,"endTime":3495.3,"body":"reassigned and then the second"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3492.81,"endTime":3495.3,"body":"trial is set for March"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3495.3,"endTime":3501.42,"body":"21st 1966. And Georgia is found"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3495.3,"endTime":3501.42,"body":"guilty actually. Okay. They"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3501.42,"endTime":3504.84,"body":"appeal the decision, of course,"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3501.42,"endTime":3504.84,"body":"and it would be this case that"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3504.84,"endTime":3509.97,"body":"would help get the landmark June"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3504.84,"endTime":3509.97,"body":"13 1966 decision on Miranda"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3509.97,"endTime":3514.89,"body":"versus Arizona, that would"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3509.97,"endTime":3514.89,"body":"create the Miranda laws. In the"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3514.89,"endTime":3518.1,"body":"Miranda decision is referenced"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3514.89,"endTime":3518.1,"body":"in the following footnote,"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3518.1,"endTime":3522.27,"body":"quote, this isn't the end of the"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3518.1,"endTime":3522.27,"body":"Miranda loss. Okay."},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3522.69,"endTime":3526.05,"body":"Interrogation procedures may"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3522.69,"endTime":3526.05,"body":"even give rise to false"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3526.05,"endTime":3529.92,"body":"confession. 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So"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3557.79,"endTime":3561.75,"body":"George would be cleared a month"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3561.75,"endTime":3566.82,"body":"later after this Miranda"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3561.75,"endTime":3566.82,"body":"decision on July 13 1966. And"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3566.82,"endTime":3571.29,"body":"he's released on bond until the"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3566.82,"endTime":3571.29,"body":"bond is revoked in 1972. Six"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3571.29,"endTime":3574.29,"body":"years later, it's not clear why"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3571.29,"endTime":3574.29,"body":"I think if that's just kind of"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3574.29,"endTime":3578.04,"body":"how it worked, but he returns to"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3574.29,"endTime":3578.04,"body":"prison until he's exonerated"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3578.04,"endTime":3582.54,"body":"officially on April 10 1973. So"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3578.04,"endTime":3582.54,"body":"he returned to prison for it"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3582.54,"endTime":3587.1,"body":"looks like about a year, a"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3582.54,"endTime":3587.1,"body":"little less than a year. He"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3587.1,"endTime":3590.04,"body":"moves back to Wildwood New"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3587.1,"endTime":3590.04,"body":"Jersey and lives out his days"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3590.04,"endTime":3595.08,"body":"there. He's awarded $500,000"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3590.04,"endTime":3595.08,"body":"from the city of New York, and"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3595.44,"endTime":3599.97,"body":"he ends up passing away at a"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3595.44,"endTime":3599.97,"body":"nursing home on October 8 2012."},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3600.24,"endTime":3606.21,"body":"He was survived by six children."},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3600.24,"endTime":3606.21,"body":"He was 68 years old. So that's"},{"speaker":"Matt Molinaro","startTime":3606.21,"endTime":3609.78,"body":"the end of his story. 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