S7 E2 - Draft Recap - Reese Falls Into Giants Laps!

Scott, Giant Mike, Cardone and Novak discuss the draft results and our impressions on how well each team filled holes. We also discuss the excitement of the draft, how every team gets good grades and how every prospect has the world in their hands for one weekend. Then we vent our Pet Peeves and then finish up with listener questions.  

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SPEAKER_04 0:00

For listening to season seven of the Angry Football Fans Podcast, where your hosts Scott, Giant Mike, Cardone, and Novak rant about the future displays of their teams, grumble about the shenanigans in the NFL, and gripe about everything else in between. We also list our pet peeves and take listener questions. Download our podcast wherever you get yours and subscribe to our YouTube channel. We have a blast doing this, and hope you enjoy as well. So that is the announcement of Arville Reese at number five being the Giants pick. He fell to number five. Very excited about possibly having the best, at least, uh player on paper in the draft, uh, by some people's uh thoughts. So we are the the Angry Giant, or we are the Angry Football Fans Podcast with your host Scott, Giant Mike Cardone, and Angry Jets fan Novak. Mike's back in the fold. And boys, we got two good drafts to talk about. Uh, of course, we're gonna be doing the the ins and outs of all of our sixth and seventh rounders because those guys we know everything about their quick twitches and and their hips that move and everything else. But uh it's good to it's good to have a recap. Came on before the draft. Now we're recapping it off and uh good start to the season so far, offseason.

SPEAKER_00 1:34

Yeah, man. It's uh it feels like um, you know, it feels like football again. As soon as you have the draft, um, it immediately feels like football season. So now uh we get a little get to know a little bit about these guys that we we picked up. Reese at number five. That was uh, as you said, Scott, it wasn't expected to be there. So when he fell, I think we'll and we'll talk about all these, you know, the maybe a lot of the the first round picks. I was surprised what Tennessee did at number four, right? Taking Carnell Tate. I thought Reese was going there. Um I figured Novak, uh, you know, uh Novak's Jets would take Bailey at two. We knew about number one, and then um was it Love, I think went to uh Arizona number three there. Uh but you know Tennessee's pick was a little surprising. So Reese, I'm thrilled with the guy. I'm thrilled with him being being there at five and and getting him with our with our first pick. So uh we'll we'll break it down. Um so we'll we'll just let's let's get it going.

SPEAKER_01 2:26

I feel like you know, you have a couple months off. It's football's out of sight, out of mind, right? You don't think about it, you get involved with other things, and then the draft comes around, and I'm like, you know what? I'm ready for it to come back. Let's go. Let's let's I'm ready to start it again. It gets me excited for this upcoming season. So we've still got a few months, but I uh it was great to think about football again, personally.

SPEAKER_02 2:51

Yep, no doubt, no doubt. I I agree with uh with Cardone, with Reese. I know we'll get more into it, but he's not a guy I ever saw the Giants land in any sort of uh mock draft or anything. It's because I I never saw him fall to five anywhere. So didn't do much research on the guy, didn't know a lot about him, just thought he was a really good player who was off of our radar, and turns out he's a giant today. So excited to see him.

SPEAKER_04 3:17

So uh we're glad to have Giant Mike back. I don't think we've ever got a podcast with two of us missing two in a row, or one of us missing two in a row. So that's uh we've kept the streak going. Um, but let's give a shout out. We had uh a lot of new listeners uh this past week. Uh so hello decalb, Illinois. And I actually have a hat with de Kalb on it. If you can see the video, so I got that at a farm show. Uh it's population 4,000 or 40,200, named for French war hero, if any of them exist, Johan de Kalb. And uh it's known for manufacturing barbed wire and hence the the tie to agriculture because they they fenced in a lot of the the livestock pens and things like that with the barbed wire. It also is the home of Cyndy Crawford and former Giants tackle Carl Nelson. Cyndy Crawford the model? Cyndi Crawford the model. Oh the cob. Who knew? I don't know. Barb Girls.

SPEAKER_01 4:22

Is that far from Chicago?

SPEAKER_04 4:24

It's it's it's it's not near Chicago. It's it's in northern Illinois, but uh it's it's it it is in farmland. It's in the plains.

SPEAKER_01 4:32

Because Scott hates Chicago and all things bears.

SPEAKER_04 4:37

I think the Bears. I don't buy Chicago, Chicago's a great town. Well, you hate Chicago.

SPEAKER_01 4:42

You hate uh Ben Johnson and you hate Kelly Williams and all things that relate to the Chicago Bears.

SPEAKER_02 4:47

So if you hated Justin Fields when he was there, did I wonder how you get to be a French war hero. Uh Scott kind of touched on it there a little bit. I'm not sure. But is he just like the last to surrender, or did he invent surrendering? I don't know. I don't know. I kid the French because I love them.

SPEAKER_04 5:12

I like the bread. So uh we we will recap the draft in this episode. Uh I gotta I gotta give kudos to Novak. Novak called uh the Jets picks. Uh not exactly, but but almost he he called out the scenario. So he called them them, you know, picking bally. He said he wouldn't mind if they got Sadiq. And then he's like, well, you know, if that if they can't get any of the top receivers, watch them trading back in to get Cooper. And they did all of those things. And then they went and they they trade up and got Klubnick to even make them more happy.

SPEAKER_02 5:48

So it was they were on such a roll.

SPEAKER_01 5:52

Yeah, couldn't let me just have my happiness and you just had to kick me in the nuts with uh the Klubnik thing. But you guys get into your Giants picks first. I'm I'm I'm back up here, so let's talk about the Giants.

SPEAKER_04 6:04

Yeah, we'll talk about the Giants. I just wanted to give you kudos because you really didn't called it out. You did a very a very good opening show in terms of of calling things out.

SPEAKER_01 6:13

So uh let's let's let the Jets know I need to be in the war room next year. Yeah, so let me in. Like, what can it hurt? One more guy in that fucking room filled with like 30 people? Would it hurt if I was sitting in the corner? There were kids. Just saying. For the Giants.

SPEAKER_00 6:33

You can't just but you can't just sit there, you you know, you have to be over uh overly egregiously excited every time because the war room, they know the camera's on them. So every single one of these guys, the high fiving, the hugging, first of all, the hugging, we've got it stop, we've got to scale this back. We've gotta stop. It's it's it's it's it's over the top. Yes. But but now it's going on in the war room as well. I mean, I I love back in the day with the fucking the helmet phone, you know, that with the um and the cigarette with the ashtrays and the cigarette smoke and the full of smoke. The guys are like sweating bullets in there, and everyone looks nervous and panicked. These guys, they look way too happy, everyone's in agreement. Like nobody's pissed off, other than we could talk about Sean McVay, maybe in Tommy Simpson.

SPEAKER_04 7:15

Yeah, yeah, that was my that's gonna be one of my points.

SPEAKER_00 7:18

I just want to see one of these guys in the war room, like in the back of the in the room, kind of like just like like Costanza when he's trying to look busy and he's all pissed off. Like, I don't know, man. It's picked, it's I don't I don't think I like this pick.

SPEAKER_04 7:27

Novak even even nailed that because he was gonna be pissed off if the Jets drafted Ty Simpson. So uh we'll we will talk about that in a minute. Um by the way, you know, Novak's pet peeve last week was about kids in in breweries and bars, and yes, the amount of kids I saw in the draft room, they're like kids like spinning in chairs while things are going on. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 7:49

Kids are taking over the taking over the world, it's insane.

SPEAKER_04 7:53

So getting into our team's picks. Um, we just talked about Arvell Reese going uh in the first round, number five, linebacker out of Ohio State University. Uh, we all knew we were gonna get an Ohio State player. We weren't sure if it was gonna be him, we weren't sure if we're gonna get two, three of them. Um, and actually, I think that uh, you know, we got who is considered on many boards to be the best player in the draft. And then later in the first round, pick number 10, we got uh Francis, and you can call him Francis Mayoga. He's uh offensive tackle who will project a guard from University of Miami. In the second round, we got the other Tennessee quarterback that wasn't injured as much. You know, a lot of people going into the to the season last year, McCoy was a hot prospect, but Colton Colton Hood ended up being the pick um from University of Tennessee, which hopefully he's better than our last pick from the University of Tennessee, which was Jalen Hyatt. Round three, we traded back in and actually gave up. I wouldn't say we gave up a lot. If you look at what they gave up, it it's commensurate of what people usually give up moving back to the third round. But they lost their fifth round pick, fourth round pick, and a fourth round pick next year. Um, but they got Malachi Fields, um wide receiver from Notre Dame who came via Virginia, so he used to be a Wahoo. And whenever I think of the word Malachi, I just think of children of the corn, which leads me to think about you shit at my house, Kenneth. There's a lot of layers there.

SPEAKER_02 9:28

Um first thing that came to my mind.

SPEAKER_04 9:30

And then we had three sixth rounders. Bobby Jamison Travis, defensive tackle out of Auburn, was our first pick. And then JC Davis, an offensive tackle out of uh Illinois, was our second sixth rounder, and our third one was Jack Kelly, linebacker from BYU, who's probably here for special teams. Uh, he was projected to be an undrafted free agent, but he's very athletic. So um that's the Giants picks. Jets picks, David Bailey, first round linebacker from Texas Tech. Then they went to what Novak was talking about. They got Kenyon Sadiq, the tight end from Oregon. Very athletic. Uh, I think that's a great pick for them. And then they also traded back up to get Omar Cooper, wide receiver from Indiana, and then to keep things going in the second round, they went D'Angelo Pons, a cornerback from Indiana, and then staying in the uh the Big Ten. They went Daryl Jackson, a defensive tackle. Oh no, uh, Florida State. So he's he's the ACC. And then they went another ACC player, traded back up, Cade Klubnick, quarterback from Clemson. Um, and then sixth round, they got Inez Cooper, guard from University of Miami. And then in the seventh round, they got who I had called out as being one of the sleeper picks in the pre the pre-pod that I was on with the uh sports night guys, VJ Payne, a safety out of Kansas State. So overall, I think both of our teams did well. I I know that that that uh Peacock approved. We have a question for Peacock a little bit later about our drafts, uh, but he was very happy. He was actually messaging me during the draft talking about how you know how we got a steal and getting Reese. Um and and we'll talk about this, guys. I mean, but my take on Reese, and I I said it in the last podcast, is that I think he's gonna be a bust. And I, you know, I've I've sort of walked that back a little bit because he's now a giant, and I'm behind him, of course. It's a little hoborism here, but I do think he's either a boom or bust potential guy. I I think he has to be utilized correctly. And from what I've heard, the Giants are gonna utilize him at linebacker first, um, which I think is a good a good fit for his skill set because if he were to line up at edge, he would be the smallest edge from a physical standpoint in the league. Overall, what did you guys think of the draft?

SPEAKER_00 11:52

Uh, you know, well, picks one through all you know, the first four picks, right? It's a little bit, again, the lesser-known guys in the later rounds. Um, so I'll I'll I'll kind of just give a you know quick breakdown on each. We we mentioned Reese, you know, coming to us at five. I you know, a guy coming from Ohio State. You know Ohio State just produces NFL machinery, right? So I I like just the fact that he's coming from a major program. The guy was touted. Well, I mean, what you know, I don't know, I don't know enough watch enough of this guy, these schools to to know exactly how dominant this guy can be, or or if or if he can be a bus scot. But obviously we want this guy to pan out and be uh you know a formidable, you know, and make an immediate impact. And I think, you know, one thing I always hear about the Giants front four is like it's the it's the most feared in all of the NFL. I'm like, I'm so I'm kind of tired, sick and tired of hearing that is that the giant front four, this is not OC uh Tuck and Strahan. They talk about it like this giant front four is just absolute menacing, but it's it's got a at least we have some pieces now. We got a new deep defensive coordinator and in uh you know, uh obviously under you know Harbaugh's regime. So you know, I I love that pick. The one I was a little bit um absolutely, you know, because I can never be at happy and and comp completely at peace was I when but when when we came around at 10, I thought I was waiting to hear Goodell say Caleb Downs. And that's the one that really I know you can go offensive tackle there and and was it Mawagoa? How do you say the guy's name? Mauit. Um I think it's you know he was still sitting there and he was he was rated as one or two, you know, top tackle, top offensive linemen in the in the in the draft. So fine, he was sitting there, but I was really thinking go defense, defense, and just go go with two guys that are were top best, you know, considered best players at their position uh going to the draft. So I was disappointed actually at number 10. I wanted to go Caleb Downs, and I'm I'm hoping that doesn't come back to Burn us, and especially the fact that Dallas traded up to get and ended up nabbing him. So I can already see the guy interception. The first time we face him, I could already see Darth throwing one down the middle of the field and downs coming down with a with about a 27-yard return to return it, get us back, get them in field goal position on the in the first time we see those see the the cowboys this year. So and then Hood, I gotta admit, don't know a ton about this guy from Tennessee. We needed we needed a secondary, a guy from the secondary. So a corner there is is is good. And then um trading back into round three, Scott, as you mentioned, to get Malachi Fields. Uh, I think it was Mike had a funny text during the draft. He's like, I hope this doesn't end up being another fields that we end up despising. So sorry, Mike, I had to steal your thunder on that one, but just to give you the credit on that, um, which is hilarious. And uh the what the thing about him, you know, I'm reading up on his uh some of his combine stuff. 4-6-1 for a receiver, that's not exactly lightning fast. Um, you know, but they say he's got uh you know great uh hands and you know uh route running capabilities. So um good pick there at wide receiver, and then the rest of the guys um you know, filling some spots that we need, just positions. Uh don't know the guys from round six, obviously. So overall, I saw the the grades for the Giants. I think they overall they got like an A-minus, but what does any of that bullshit mean? It means nothing. Every you know, those those stupid grades. Um I I was pretty happy. The only thing was I'd rather have downs at 10 than than than Maragoa. That's the only thing I would say.

SPEAKER_04 15:20

I I agree with you on that. And and just to add some more context on Fields, um, he did apparently shine at the senior bowl. And one of the things that they talked about was that his his 40 time probably dropped him down further than he should have gone, which is why the Giants were able to trade up and get him because he was still available. Um he reminds many people of of um uh Pittman, Michael Pittman from the Colts. So I mean if we get a if we get a comp to Michael Kipp Pittman, I'd be fine with that. And the you know, I mean he's a third round player.

SPEAKER_00 15:53

So well, I also like that the dude is 6'4, so he can go up and get a ball too. So uh he's gonna, you know, uh that height and that size will certainly give him an advantage also. So um no, I'm I'm happy there with the with uh with Fields in the third round for sure.

SPEAKER_02 16:11

Yeah, I agree. And and I'll start there because you know everything I know about these guys is from watching college football. I don't pay much attention to the pre-draft stuff, but I I will say good and bad on Fields. Uh from what I saw is I don't I didn't watch very much Notre Dame this year, but when I did, he stood out. He was a player who was perpetually open, and that kind of scares you in college because that was the story with Jalen Hyatt as well. It's just he could get open, and in college that's not that hard. In the NFL, you've got to make your own open, right? So we'll see how this guy does. He's got really good hands from what I've seen. So um just happy to give Dart another weapon there. Um to go to the first round, uh, kind of what I opened with was you know, have no I I know of Reese. Obviously, he's an Ohio State player. Um, I watched a good bit of Ohio State, and I will say when I watched Ohio State games, Caleb Downs was the player that stood out on defense to me. He just seemed to be in on every tackle when when Ohio State needed him to be in the backfield causing the passer trouble. He was back there, he was knocking down passes, intercepting passes. Um so yeah, you know, obviously I didn't think there was any way we come out of this draft without Caleb Downs being on the Giants. I just thought we'd get him at one of the two spots, and that would be automatic. Um but you know, I'm not going to complain much, which won't surprise you guys about the number 10 pick. Um love that guy uh from what I've seen of him. And it's another name I didn't look a lot into pre-draft, but I've done it quite a bit since. And man, he he just looks like a big active tackle. And and I heard a lot of people compare him to oh, I can't remember who that the Giants drafted a few years ago at tackle was an absolute stiff. But I I don't know this, you know, we've had a lot of linemen there who had the body to be good and just weren't good. And the word that I would use to describe those guys is stiffs, you know, they they just out there and they just they're big and they take up a lot of space, but anyone can can get around them and through them. I don't see that in this guy. This guy's super athletic, he's not just a big body. Um, several plays I saw with him running downfield. Uh there was even a pass to him. I don't know if you guys saw a little like a screen dump off thing where he scored a touchdown on it. So he's a very athletic guy, and I'm excited. I have a theory about the first round. I I think the Giants were going to take a defensive player at five, and I think they had their eye on Maanoa the whole time at 10. And they were surprised when Reese fell to him. And I can imagine a conversation in that room where you know it happened like, okay, we didn't expect Reese to be here. So if Downs is there at 10, do we take downs or do we kind of stick to the plan? And I think they decided to stick to the plan um there. And as Cardone said, you know, if the next pick had been Pittsburgh and they took downs, I wouldn't even care. Um, but Dallas group, you know, we gotta see this guy now. Uh Styles going to the Redskins didn't make me super happy either, but um, there's nothing we could have done about that. We weren't taking him at five, and he was gone before 10. So that's just how that ends up, right? Um, and then again, the the corner um hadn't seen a lot of him, hadn't heard a lot of his name. Uh however, since I've been on since they drafted him, I've been looking and people seem really, really high on this guy. Could have been first round uh type material. So overall, I'm happy, and I'm sure we'll talk about the Giants fans who aren't happy because there's several of them, and I have some theories about that as well, but I'll leave that for a little later.

SPEAKER_04 19:50

You know, you know what's funny about Hood is one of the negatives about Hood is that he's too aggressive, he's he's too physical. And I'm like, really? A corner being too aggressive or too physical, I'm fine with that. You know, just I don't want him mauling guys and getting flags, uh, but but you don't want them being passive at all. I mean, to me, Deunt Deontay Banks, his biggest weakness is that the guy doesn't want to he doesn't want to engage people, he moves away from contact. I want a guy who wants to get in there.

SPEAKER_00 20:17

I read that too, Scott. One of the first write-ups I saw was that he could be too overly aggressive, and I right away I was thinking like, oh, there's the illegal contact on third and five, there's the PI that ends the season in week one. You know, by the way, Mike, you wouldn't have been thinking about Eric Flowers maybe as one of the tackles that was uh Eric Flowers.

SPEAKER_02 20:35

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 20:35

I mean Evan Neal, Eric Flowers. I saw because you know I was laughing because I saw Flowers' name come up and I had forgot about that chop like a while back, and then I got like I I started twitching again when I heard his name. I'm like, oh damn it, I forgot about Flowers.

SPEAKER_04 20:48

That's how that's how you know they they make that connection only because he went to Miami. Fair.

SPEAKER_02 20:53

He was uh Flowers was the definition of a stiff though.

SPEAKER_04 20:56

Oh, he was, he was terrified. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 20:58

I think people were talking about you guys remember Will Campbell?

SPEAKER_01 21:01

Yeah, was it Will Campbell who was Patriots, right?

SPEAKER_02 21:04

It was a there was a guy they're comparing this Maonoa to who I don't know if he was a giant, my but just an absolute stiff. I thought it was Campbell, but maybe not.

SPEAKER_01 21:16

Stiff. Well Campbell was a patriot. The guy that yeah, he has short arms, was his uh knock.

SPEAKER_04 21:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:23

But I don't know. Yeah. Or short arms. Sorry. Did I say short hands or short arms?

SPEAKER_00 21:32

No, you did. I I threw in the hands uh comment. Okay, you no, you you said it right. I was just thinking, you made me think of Austin Powers when he was describing Carney's. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:42

So uh Novak, thoughts on the Jets.

SPEAKER_01 21:46

Look, it was uh very different from what I'm used to, which is a very professional draft. Right? The Jets always uh find a way to you know bet get mocked or do something stupid, whether it's Jeff. Logaman or Kyle Brady or Blair Thomas or Ken O'Brien, like somewhere along the line they're just gonna make get made fun of for doing something stupid. But I I I hope and I pray and I feel like maybe this regime is just a little different. Not Aaron Glenn, just the uh the the uh the GM I really have just I'm just a big fan of. I I feel like he has he's doing all he can to give the Jets the right players at the right time, whether it's through trade, free agency, and now the draft. Um I thought they did a really nice job. I love um more than anything, I love the Kenyan Sadiq pick. As you know, I talked about it on the the the pod last week. Um you know, and i i I don't know if you guys know this, but every Jet fan is apparently a uh on the side as a GM because they like to uh kill every uh pick the Jets ever make. And I get so frustrated because they're like, oh, why do we need another tight end? I I felt like saying, have you ever heard of a two tight end set? Because that happens, that's like the new wave of the NFL. This is what that people do. And then they're killing the Jets for taking a 5'8 corner in ponds. I'm like, they're like, well, how how can he cover uh Devontae Adams who's 6'5? I'm like, he doesn't need to because you don't you don't he doesn't have to cover the 6'6 guy. He's a spot corner, he's gonna take the guy that's six foot, he's five nine. So what? Like it's not that hard. So there was that I I I I I don't know. I love what they did. I the only one that I have a problem with in all of it is Kay Klubnick. Uh I do not like K. Klubnick. I was not a fan of that. But then again, who the hell am I? I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. Frank Reich is a uh a coordinator who knows what he's doing, he's been around forever, he must know something. Um so I'm gonna have to give him the trust that he knows what he's doing, and he's not gonna be our future quarterback. So all these Jet fans are all this f you know flying off the handle about he's not our future. No, he's not. He's a developmental quarterback that is a set he's our backup quarterback, hopefully for the future. And maybe this is an eight-game season, right? The Jets go one and seven, they'll throw him in there. If he's great, great. We've lightly in a bottle, we don't need to get a quarterback next year. If he stinks, who cares?

SPEAKER_02 24:20

So I was just gonna say, Novak, I don't mean to interrupt, but Claude Kate Klubnick sounds like a guy to me who in week eight, when the Jets are one and seven, will be the let's throw him in there and see what he got. See what he has got.

SPEAKER_01 24:32

Of course that's what he is, Mike. Just like Brady Cook, it was the same thing the last time. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 24:38

Now I will say this because I did watch a fair amount of Clemson games, and Klubnick has the he has the tools. And I and I mentioned this on the podcast last week. I think he to me, I would take him over Drew Aller only because when they talk about Aller having all the elements of having a strong arm and all of that, Klubnick did too. Plus, Klubnick's very fast. Um Klubnick's biggest, I think his biggest weakness is that he was overthrowing some receivers, but he was under constant pressure because the Clemson offensive line like didn't produce as well as they should have. Um, but I but I I mean had he had he declared in his junior year, he probably would have gone higher than he did this year, just like Nussmeyer would have, and you know, some of these guys. And that's one of the things, you know. We heard how much last year about uh Sador Sanders falling. You didn't hear a whole controversy this year about Nussmeyer falling, you didn't hear a whole controversy about Diego Paiva not even getting drafted. You know, last year I think everyone wanted to make a thing out of Sanders, but there are guys that fall out of drafts all the time. Drafts fall down. Yeah. You could pick you could probably pick five, six guys in this draft that that slipped.

SPEAKER_01 25:55

No, I mean look for Klubnik, I I read one thing that said he has decent tools, and if if he has to play four games, he's not gonna hurt you. Which is the actual perfect scenario for a backup quarterback. Backup quarterback, yeah. Exactly. And if that's what he turns into, it's a great fourth round pick. So whatever. We'll see how it goes.

SPEAKER_00 26:16

It's like that late round fantasy backup draft. It's almost the same thing. You're not expecting it, you know the guy's not gonna play. You may have you're just when do you plug him in? Oh, yeah, it yeah. So I see your your your from your perspective, Novak, but at the same time, you know, I would I don't know if I was thrilled with that pick either for the Jets, you know, but at the same time, it's like it's it's not the worst pick either, you know. It's just it's another quarterback on the roster that just is there, you know, like you said, developmental player. And if the guy turns out to be pretty good or better than expected, then then it's just a bonus, you know. But it's again when you're when you're drafting a guy that's not uh you're not you know throwing in there, you know, even in the first month of the season, uh, you know, it's not that what's what's the big deal almost?

SPEAKER_01 27:02

Once you get to the fourth, fifth round of the do do we do we know what we're talking about? No. Let's be honest. The four of us have no clue how any of these guys are gonna pan out. We have no idea. And you know, and every everyone's a GM, apparently. Everyone knows everything about every player. We there could be a seventh round guy that doesn't that could be a stud, and a seventh round guy that's never gonna make sniff the final roster. We don't know.

SPEAKER_02 27:27

No, the giant when you get down that far, the GMs don't even know.

SPEAKER_01 27:31

No, they don't, of course not.

SPEAKER_02 27:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 27:34

Yeah, the Giants apparently signed an undrafted free agent kicker who is like 10 for 11 from 50 plus yards kicking, and they already, you know, they signed a decent kicker in the offseason. They have a guy from uh some school that that that apparently is their their all-time kickoff return leader. I mean, they you just take flyers on guys and hope they pan out.

SPEAKER_01 27:56

I I do agree with you guys though. If if I were a Giant fan, I would be a little frustrated by not taking downs.

SPEAKER_04 28:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:03

I really do. Just because he's gonna you're gonna see him twice a year. And everyone has said by their position, he was the best player in the draft. Yeah. And to and I thought they were might have taken him at five. And you had a chance to take him at ten and passed. Um look, we don't know. Maybe he's gonna turn out to be a dud, but I don't think so. I I mean, that guy is a player.

SPEAKER_04 28:30

Well, and you know, Peacock was was messaging me during the draft saying, All right, Downs is your pick here. You guys are are you know set up for for years, and then we didn't get them, and then he got them, and he was like, I can't believe we just got down. So I mean, uh kudos to Dallas. And and this is one of those times I I mentioned in the last pod that you know Jerry's gonna make a move. Jerry just doesn't sit back, he's gonna make a move. He made a move, and for one time he made a good move. Yeah, you know, I think I think that was the absolute best moves.

SPEAKER_00 29:01

Unless, again, if if if don't call me Francis, I mean, if this guy, you know, like we always talk about offensive linemen, you can never have enough of them, you can never be too deep on the line. So we've had we're we've we're chronically injured at the at uh at the O-line, it seems like every year. So I want to just feel good about the pick, you know, but like Downs just seemed like that one like freaking special player that like holy shit, I can't believe we had him and then we didn't take him. Um if as long as you know Francis uh you know is shores up uh the line and um you know and and adds that uh you know as a solid player there, then you you won't even think about it, you know. Like when we're um you know with darts having an extra half a second to throw the ball and scatterbo has an extra you know yard or two before contact, then then we'll be uh we'll we'll be thanking whatever that that uh we got this guy. So that's all you could do. Like like we like Novak, you were just saying, we don't know. You don't know. So just as like you could be like, I I hate to feel even I don't want to go one way or the other, like, oh my god, I'm I'm I'm jacked up. This is the best draft ever. I also want to be like, you know, I don't want to be pissed off either. You know, I I want to be just like, okay, we got I like the guys we got, so this is my team now, this is who we got. I'm not gonna worry about downs now. I have to get him out of my head and just be like, don't I can't worry about him. He's not on my team.

SPEAKER_04 30:17

But by the way, I looked at the Yahoo! draft grades, more than half of the league had a B or better rating.

SPEAKER_02 30:26

Yeah, it's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_01 30:29

You know, it's like I mean it wasn't it's not made pet peeve, but I I swear to God, I I didn't sit there and watch the whole thing. Who did, right? But every time I checked in, I would sit down and watch it for 15-20 minutes here and there. Everyone was a great value at that at the place in which they drafted. Every single one.

SPEAKER_02 30:48

There's no criticism anymore.

SPEAKER_04 30:50

No, remember they struggle to find film on a guy, so they don't really have a play and they're just talking about. Oh, this guy's he's got a lot of intangibles, he's got a lot of strikes, but they're not showing any video because they don't know who the guy from Sam F. Off Austin is doing.

SPEAKER_02 31:06

Remember the word reach? Remember, they used to say that oh a reach. You don't hear that anymore. Nobody ever they stay away from that. They they went to reach one time, I think, in the first round with Minnesota. I think I heard him drop the reach bomb.

SPEAKER_04 31:19

Oh, yeah. So but uh so I I do think we ended up with eight eight trades in the first round. Uh many in the back.

SPEAKER_01 31:26

You were right then, Scott.

SPEAKER_04 31:27

Yeah, I think I was.

SPEAKER_01 31:28

Um, yeah, you said eight trades in the first round on your on that podcast.

SPEAKER_04 31:32

I did, yeah. But I think if you go around the league, I think what started the dominoes, so you know, the um yeah, obviously the Raiders took Mendoza, which wasn't a uh a surprise at all, and then the Jets took Bailey. I think when Love went to the to Arizona, it started a lot of people thinking, oh well no, what's going on? Because I don't think many people had love going to Arizona. There were some draft mocks that did, but I think that that shifted everything, and that that was one of the reasons Reese fell to five. Um and I think after that, you you saw a lot of trades in the back half of it. Uh downs to Dallas. I again big move in the first round. Things from around the league you you guys had other than the stuff we've talked about.

SPEAKER_02 32:17

You know, I'll I'll say this from around the league. They should just let the Raiders pick first every year. Because you know, Scott, you were like, you were like, you know, no surprise there. But because it was the Raiders, I was like, are they gonna are they gonna do something funny here? Like, are the Raiders gonna come out here and like pick Reese and just throw this whole draft upside down? You know, I it's the right no, all there's almost no other team I would have even thought that that might be a possibility. But with the Raiders sitting there, you're like, I don't know, they're the Raiders. They could do something wild here.

SPEAKER_04 32:50

At least it felt bad about little drums because then the little kid at the Mendoza house that's in a suit, he would have been like crying.

SPEAKER_02 33:02

It's the Raiders, man.

SPEAKER_00 33:04

Well, I I gotta make mention of the uh the Eagles, right? They it seems like they always get what they want, and if like I don't want to say falls in their lap because they make things happen and it just always works out for them. So you guys heard the story about how the Steelers were on the phone with Lemon saying they were gonna take him at uh at what at 20 at uh what was it, 21? Yeah, at 21, because the Steelers were sitting there at 21. So the Eagles were at 23, and you heard the story, right, guys? I mean, Lemon was, you know, he was when he then all of a sudden the Eagles move up to 20, right? And and swap out with uh who do they um who's I forget whose pick that was though now. Was that Dallas? No. It was Dallas, it was Dallas. Dallas, Dallas. It was Dallas's.

SPEAKER_04 33:48

We have a question about that a little bit later.

SPEAKER_00 33:50

Okay. So yeah, and so they uh, you know, they they know they're gonna we know about AJ Brown, we know he's gonna be shipped off, right? And then and they get the guy they wanted. Uh they get Lemon. And Scott, I know you were saying on the on you know on our thread, like, uh, you know, I'm not worried about Lemness Nat. I I am only because um he reminds me of like Devontae Smith. Uh it because the same way they got Devontae Smith you know a few years back. Remember they moved up one spot to grab him, I forget who they jumped over on that in that draft. It it just reminds me of that so much where they moved up like one spot here, they moved up three spots, and they get a guy. They desperately, you know, they they targeted him, they knew they were gonna get rid of Brown, and they get their guy, and it just pisses me off. It just pisses me off that it had to work out for them, especially when the Steelers are on the phone with this guy. And like, why was Pittsburgh sleeping? I feel like Pittsburgh, like they didn't think, you know, if they like they didn't think that someone could move ahead of them, or maybe Philly, especially being two spots back, they couldn't think, like, holy shit, man, we gotta maybe we gotta make a move here because um we we know this the Browns situation. You gotta be thinking about what the other guy's gonna do. You can't only be thinking about what what your war room is doing. You always gotta be thinking about all those teams, right, especially right in those picks right behind you. Because that's and I felt like you know, like Steelers, like, what are you doing, man? You were you were completely you know caught sleeping, and now um they get it just it just pisses me off because it always seems like things go their way, and it just I I don't know, man. It's just yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:19

You always uh a lot of people, I see it, I see it in text threads, I see it in other things, where when a team moves up one spot to draft somebody, yep. Like what you just gave away picks for free, and it's like, no, it's what Cardone said. I'm not taking the chance. I know Dallas doesn't need a receiver, but I'm not taking the chance that someone, a receiver hungry team right behind me, isn't gonna trade with Dallas. I'm gonna trade with Dallas, I'm gonna secure that spot. And the Steelers fell asleep at the wheel. There's no question.

SPEAKER_01 35:50

The the one the ones that I I I was I don't really care because I'm not a fan, but I I I'm always intrigued by does does Buffalo just just bend over and take it at this point? What are you doing trading with the Patriots? But they they traded with the E uh the Chiefs twice now, and now this year they're like, oh, we'll just take it from the the Patriots. And the Patriots got up and got their guy in Buffalo trades with them. Why? If someone from your division or your biggest rival calls you, like I said last year on this pod, same exact time, don't answer the phone. Just stay with what you're doing. And they did it again. Like, what are they doing?

SPEAKER_02 36:31

Why are you trading picks with Kansas City and New Year's?

SPEAKER_01 36:35

Sorry, Devin Tear, but what the hell are the Bills doing? Don't trade with the team that just beat you in the division last year.

SPEAKER_00 36:43

By the way, it was nice to see Devin Teer make a pick for the Panthers last time. I thought that was cool.

SPEAKER_04 36:47

I was just gonna mention that. He does look exactly like Devin Tier, the doppel the Doppelganger effect. Yeah, Jake the Loeb. So the the other part about that too is is with the trades that are going on, I we we probably got screwed in the in the second round when when uh I think it was San Diego or Los Angeles jumped in front of us and got Caden McDonald, the defensive tackle from Ohio State. But in the end, we still got a decent pick in the in the second round in Colton Hood. So, you know, uh you can complain all you want about this, but you're still getting a guy in that top third round, you know, those top three rounds that you need.

SPEAKER_02 37:34

And and as Tanovak's point earlier, and throw those guys in a hat and pick them out to which ones are gonna be great. You don't know. Nobody knows. But one of the in we were talking about grades on draft night. I think Cardone started this. You guys know what one of the worst grades on draft night a team has ever gotten was. I just was ran across this when I was prepared preparing for the episode. In 2012, the Seattle Seahawks got like an F for their draft. Right? Let me tell you who they drafted. First round, Bruce Urban, second round, Bobby Wagner, third round, Russell Wilson. That draft got an F on the on the night of the draft.

SPEAKER_03 38:15

There you go.

SPEAKER_02 38:17

So you know, yeah, and by the way, the next pick was Robert Turbin, who actually absolutely helped them uh a great deal as well.

SPEAKER_04 38:24

So um that's a that's a hell of a draft.

SPEAKER_02 38:27

You know, yeah, that's a that's a super bowl. That's when you change a franchise, and that draft got an F for that.

SPEAKER_04 38:33

You know, you know who gets bad bad draft grade grades in a draft? The guys that don't pick until the third round, they're like, ah, these guys they you know, they didn't have any first two round picks. Even if they kill it on the rest of those picks, they they get mauled by the by the ratings.

SPEAKER_02 38:50

Yeah, because they don't know. The the draft grades are how close did this team do to what I said they were gonna do in my mock draft? That's how the that's how they come up with the draft grade.

SPEAKER_01 39:01

I I want to know how are the Browns drafting another quarterback? What what is going on over there in Cleveland? How do they have what do they have? Seven quarterbacks in the roster now?

SPEAKER_00 39:15

Why can't they figure that out?

SPEAKER_04 39:17

I I just but by the way, guys, what is going on with with uh Deshaun Watson? Is he ever gonna play again? He's coming back this year.

SPEAKER_01 39:24

I know, so what's gonna happen? So they got Watson and Gabriel and Sanders and this new guy and someone else. Like they got like five guys. What is going on?

SPEAKER_02 39:38

They should just stop. They should stop drafting quarterbacks, they really should. They should and Mel Tiber.

SPEAKER_01 39:45

He has got to stop with this Shadow Sanders thing. Like, he won't give it up, this guy. Whatever.

SPEAKER_04 39:55

The the the guys on that sports night podcast who were Brown fans, they did make a valid point about Shadur Sanders. And they said, look, if we used a draft pick or we traded up or we picked a guy late who's a fifth rounder, and he ended up starting meaningful games for us, he's a good draft pick. I agree with that in in principle, but the problem with that is that he's not a long-term solution. So you you've used him as your starter, you have him as your starter now. You have Deshaun Watson coming back, you have Dylan Gabriel in the in the fold. You really all you're doing is calling causing chaos in the quarterback. So I don't see it as a good thing, you know.

SPEAKER_02 40:37

I yeah, I agree with that. But also, I think the Browns are in a in a win-win with Sanders. They I think they took him at the exact right time.

SPEAKER_03 40:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:47

I don't it's not, you know, it's if Chedur Sanders fails, no one's gonna blame the Browns. He's a fifth-round pick. Who cares? You know, that I think that was now they've got more invested in Gabriel, who looks like an absolute dud. Um, but you know, I I think Shader is just gonna be whatever his career is gonna be, and the Browns have the very enviable position of Santa Claus. We spent a fifth round pick. Lots of fifth round picks failed.

SPEAKER_04 41:18

You guys got anything else we're on the league?

SPEAKER_02 41:22

You mentioned you mentioned the kicker for the Giants side. That was Michigan's kicker. I do have some intel on this guy.

SPEAKER_04 41:29

Uh up until very strong leg.

SPEAKER_02 41:32

Yeah, up until last year, he was unbelievable. Uh he never missed. He had some misses this year. I don't know, but he still was pounding, you know. Yeah, I think he had like a 56 yarder. He's a couple huge kicks.

SPEAKER_04 41:46

Career-wise, he's 10 of 11 from over 50 yards, yeah. Which is um, you know, really good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:54

I don't know if he'll beat out Jason Sanders. Right.

SPEAKER_00 41:58

I got one more comment, Scott. Just a bit uh and it and it it comes again with the Philadelphia Eagles. Did you guys see that they they drafted some Nigerian guy, Uar Bernard, never play has never played a single snap of American football. I can see this guy being a terror. I really can. The guy's a physical, uh just free. What position? Uh defensive, I guess he's defensive tackle or defensive, yeah. He's I think he's DT or something. So I don't know. The guy, he has no, there's no sheet on the guy, right? He's never played a snap of American football. I can already see him in our backfield, like just blowing up, passing crazy.

SPEAKER_01 42:33

Yeah. Why do you have to draft him?

SPEAKER_00 42:37

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 42:38

I can't can't you just sign a guy? Like name is right.

SPEAKER_00 42:42

Can't you just invite him to like uh you know an off-season workout and say, you're on the team. Give it the like what's his name at uh you know, major league when Omar, uh what is it? What was the guy uh when uh I'm forgetting the freak um Willie Mays Hayes? Oh, Willie Mays Hayes when he was running the 40 in his robe and pajamas because and they're like, get that guy a uniform, right? That's this guy. Just have the guy show up and just like get him a uniform. Why do you gotta draft a guy?

SPEAKER_04 43:09

Well, what cracks me up is you're right, it'll probably work out for them. Like, it's not like when the Knicks signed Frederick Weiss. Yeah, it was like a play. Not Weiss, but this will work out. Did the Giants sign some wide receiver from France a few years ago that never even saw anything?

SPEAKER_02 43:26

It was like didn't we have an Austrian running back for in preseason for a couple of years?

SPEAKER_04 43:31

Plotshammer?

unknown 43:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:34

So so I honestly I really don't know the answer to this. You have to draft people even if they have never played college. Who knows? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 43:42

Like maybe they were afraid someone else had a line on the guy.

SPEAKER_01 43:46

So apparently the four of us could be drafted. Is that what you were telling me?

SPEAKER_00 43:52

I mean what film is on this guy?

SPEAKER_04 43:55

Doing what? Exactly. This guy's a 57. year old rookie all right i'll get it a pet peeve so i'll i'll since you missed last week mike i'll put you on the spot and make you do pet peeve early well i used i used two parts of my pet peeve just naturally in the discussion but my pet peeve and i'm glad i'm going first because i feel like this could be everywhere is i i am just tired of lay people not criticizing a draft that's why they do it they do it live that's what it's for but these like you know scott was mentioning a guy or something who said I had him shooting up my draft boards it's like do you have draft boards like like what are you doing man right these these guys who you know they they get like angry there's one guy just for he said he's put up about four tweets every day since the draft just killing the Giants so I I follow the guy and I start looking around and he had he had like three mock drafts posted in the two or three nights before the draft he had Reese going second to the Jets in two of the three and now he's mad that the Giants got I'm like wait wait a minute like you're you're mad because this didn't match up with your mock draft and and I do think people are it's not with who we drafted I think this year people are mad because like me they saw no scenario in which Caleb Downs wasn't on this roster come come Saturday morning.

SPEAKER_02 45:29

And it happened and so that's what they're really pissed about you know I if if the Giants had passed on Reese for Downs they'd have been questioned for that too but not as much because I think people people like Downs that much. But I I just really get tired of people just immediately bashing a draft or saying another team has had a great draft to be honest with you. Like I just part of my pet peeve was going to be to bring up this these 2012 Seattle Seahawks which I think was um Pete Carroll's first year there I believe and because someone made the comment you know and they were quoted that Pete Carroll's first stint in the NFL didn't work out and this draft shows you why I mean that was a comment um about that draft we we do not know nobody knows the the best player in this draft could could be from the top 10 could be from the third round we we do not know and I just year after year after year I keep waiting for that to like stick for people to realize but I guess if you do that you're just saying hey our our three night coverage of this worthless event is uh doesn't really mean anything because I guess you don't want to do that. Cardone and to close it out was it you who mentioned there was a like a sky shot of the draft and you could see all the people mashed in there and someone I was texting with or something said that looks like an absolute fucking nightmare to me.

SPEAKER_00 47:07

So it wasn't me that said that on that but I I made reference to that. Yeah yes but not uh maybe not direct directly on the thread or whatever but I was just making as I was watching the draft sing I was thinking the same thing like um but just being in the middle of that I always think about that like Times Square on New Year's Eve. That's one of the yeah these are the last places I want to be on earth is like you know because I I'm gonna end up like just like just taking a leak right in the middle like I'm gonna I'm gonna urinate on some guy's leg because where are you gonna go? You're just trapped in the middle of a sea of people. So like you're just stuck there.

SPEAKER_02 47:40

Miserable for all that time when you could be home and I don't know about you guys but like I don't sit there and watch the draft like lean forward who's the next team going to pick like I'm doing other shit like it's checking on it.

SPEAKER_04 47:52

Yeah see when the Giants or Jets are going to pick yeah hey the Giants are up in three picks I need to wrap this up so I can go watch that you know that kind of thing so it it just it's funny to me that people who don't get paid like have draft boards and get upset when a team doesn't follow their their board Mike who was it that was the Seattle quarterback that came over from Green Bay without having any experience before they drafted Russell Wilson do you remember oh it was um I can't think of his name I want one of the hassle backs was it no I want to say Brady Quinn I know that's not right I can't think of his name now but uh but anyway he you know that draft happened and I remember Russell Wilson getting criticized as a pick because they had just invested all this money in this guy coming over from Green Bay who by the way never played he never started a game I don't think for him I think I think Russell Wilson started day one yeah it you know I do think that that's Flynn Flynn yeah Flynn that is one of the things people don't realize is you know everyone's like oh well we got enough offensive linemen well I think Novak mentioned it earlier like how do Giants fans we've had entire seasons grenaded by the offensive line we've had seasons where every other group position on the team has been maybe not playoff good but pretty good and we can't do shit because we couldn't block anybody I mean we had defenses that were holding us in games for as long as they could before they finally broke down because the offense could not get a first down and people now are bitching by getting the number one offensive lineman in a draft because it didn't match up with their mock like get out of here tired of the mock drafts so I'll go I'll go next uh because we touched upon this too I uh Cardone was was sort of complaining about this in the beginning but my pet peeve is this ridiculous you know you you take the camera pan after every pick and you go to the draft room and guys are high fiving and chest bumping and and man hugging and you know the worst part about this is the very first pick of the draft that the Raiders they went to their draft room and you these guys are all like coming together they're they're they're all giving the bro hugs the high fives I'm like you've had four months to make this pick you knew who you were picking shouldn't that have happened like three months ago it should have been like just yeah right we got we got Mendoza we got him we got him that's it and and just there's so much about the draft that that that ticks me off. You know they changed the rule now from 10 minutes to a pick to eight minutes to the pick in the first round and yet three and a half minutes is taken up from these guys walking from the room down this giant ass corridor slapping logos and shit and going and putting a hat on and then going out and seeing seeing goodall so you know you're doing this that how how long does that take it it takes a couple minutes just to do that.

SPEAKER_00 51:13

Do you see the guy from Miami walk down there and just snatch the hat off the It's funny because of course I made mention of that too I'm like where are these guys walking from where's the screen room like why why they just get on a fucking like shuttle bus and come across like like what are we doing?

SPEAKER_04 51:31

No it seems like they're walking forever like they're walking down this you you have to have at least 32 logos so how big is is is a is a hall with 32 logos I mean the spectacle of it has it's just so frustrating every year and it gets worse and worse and worse every single year.

SPEAKER_01 51:52

Like you're right like the the the the you know a thousand yard you know hallway they got to walk through was not a thing last year but the little thing where they got to go and put their fit hat on and then walk out and everything and then that overly aggressive bro hug they do with Goodell is so annoying.

SPEAKER_00 52:11

Like someone's got to stop that. Just stop it. Just stop I I mean Goodell's gonna have to be the one to stop it like we're done with this. Like we're just we're not doing this anymore. We're just not doing it.

SPEAKER_04 52:22

Well and I and I think all of us commented on this peacock did too and and I actually had to do some digging on it. But you know when they do the second round and and they bring a former player out to announce the pick and OC Umanura came out and he was flanked by Godal and Goodell made the pick for the Giants and everyone's like what's going on with OC and he he looked ridiculously thin the guy had a a very serious medical emergency apparently where he was in a coma in January so why trot this guy down and and just have him stand there next to Godell you got Pat McAfee acting like an absolute buffoon doing the the you know the the uh Colts picks and I don't know if you guys saw I used to like this guy Mark Ripon came out for the commanders and he took up so much time because he was talking about next year's draft being in Washington and thank you for passing the torch to me and he went out for like five minutes before he announced the guy. And then if you guys saw the Panthers pick in like the fourth round there was some guy there like I don't even know who it was he was rambling on. He he he looked like he was drunk you get these guys coming out there just just announce the fucking pick. I I don't know if you guys saw Kevin Booth made a bunch of picks for for people because he's a he's in the the NFL office Kevin Booth used to be an offensive line of the the Giants he was the stiff there was a guy for the Broncos that went out and said the the whatever pick in the 2016 NFL drawback.

SPEAKER_01 53:53

What?

SPEAKER_00 53:54

Yeah right is that not true and then he said something yeah he said 55th pick or something like that. Did you hear that? Is it with the 55th pick in the 2016 I'm like wait a minute I go what's guy and then I I I quickly stop like kind of making fun of it because I'm like oh my god this guy might be seriously ill or have it be me or I don't know if there was something yeah I I I kind of check myself thinking like oh this guy's got to have some kind of serious problem with him or something like a health issue or something. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 54:20

Just have Goodell make the first round every just have him do every pick and then the second round do the deputy commissioner like the NBA does and just move on with this stupid stuff. I'm dancing on my pet peeve now.

SPEAKER_00 54:32

I love too like I mean even like on day two um you know I watch like first second round and then like you you're now like the third fourth round and you got some jack yo what's up Pittsburgh like what what nothing's up it's the same thing that's been up for the last three days like what like just to get through it what do you mean? What's up Pittsburgh? Nothing what do you want to hear? I mean we've been up we're all standing we've been awake for 48 straight hours where like everyone's just like let's go make the pick. What do you want to hear?

SPEAKER_04 55:04

Yeah the the giraffe shenanigans are are are you know like they're they're a pet peeve in in itself.

SPEAKER_01 55:11

Let's just go back to the days when it was on a Saturday at noon and it started and you you got all excited and it was none of the the the shirts and the Goodell and the commissioner and you just you made the pick you talked about it you move on to the next one. And then Sunday I think was like highlights of the guy. Yeah exactly like you show some highlights you get all excited on to the next and then Sunday it was like five six and seven but like Saturday it was like one two three and four. Like that was great. It was all day long get banged up you watch the whole thing you get excited move on to the next day none of this bullshit that went around it and I didn't really have a second pet peeve until just now when I looked up so the uh the Tampa Bay Lightning came back from a 2-0 deficit to beat Montreal tonight.

SPEAKER_04 56:00

So it's I think that series tied two to two which Canadian teams have not done well in the NHL. But what is my pet peeve is I was with a bunch of guys yesterday playing poker and I said NHL hockey to me is one of the best events in all sports and they said fuck you hockey sucks and they were all talking about the NBA I thought to myself the NBA playoffs to me used to be a spectacle now it's a bunch of three pointers and pushing the ball into a big guy it's it's not exciting.

SPEAKER_02 56:37

Playoff hockey to me is is still the pinnacle of excitement it in in postseason even beats even beats even beats the NFL even beats game seven hockey yeah yeah yeah yeah no it's NHL playoffs are are awesome yep yeah hands down just awesome I just thought I was crazy because I was the lone wolf there I'm like really you guys paid high I mean to me you can you're when you're watching an NHL playoff game especially as it get later and later in the series you can tell you're watching hockey playoffs like you can you can see it in the NBA third quarter of just about any game it all looks the same you know the game is going to be decided in the last four minutes it's nothing that happens before it matters you get an eight point run you get an 11 point run and an answer it just it goes back and forth and then it's decided in the last four minutes by free throw I I mean that's most that's most of the NBA and it doesn't change it doesn't really change in the playoffs to me and this is coming from a guy who you know in the 90s I was about as big an NBA fan as as a football fan.

SPEAKER_01 57:52

Same Novak pet peeve yeah so um I got a little bit of negative feedback from my pet peeve from last week I got a some texts like uh I get a lot of support from you I saw a lot of support for that I got a lot of support but I also got a lot of negative was like what are we gonna do? Where are we supposed to go? Like we we want to bring our kids why do we have to stay at home and I'm like it's not what I meant. Let me just clarify here. First of all, don't go to bars like you want to go to a restaurant and bring your kids out totally understandable like that I get that you got to get out of the house you got to do something but a bar that is like a a sports bar or a like brewery or something like that don't bring your freaking kids there. I just want to clarify what I was talking about. Like there are there are adult places and there are places you bring your kids those types of bars don't bring your friggin' kids and if you want some other options Applebee's eating good in the neighborhood go there. Plenty they got a great bar you get an IPA you get all the stuff you're good if you want a little something spicier go to Chili's Chili's got a bar they got a whole thing going on like there are other places to go you're fine you got plenty of places to go out to just don't go to a regular bar. So I want to clarify that but my real pet peeve is um from the draft this uh weekend the one that bothered me the most was this international crap that the NFL had to trot out there like enough like these guys worked their whole lives to get their name called and be up there and I gotta get like some guy who can barely speak English but Mrs. I better understand what he's saying. I can't understand his name like these guys stop it. I'd rather them not call the name than have someone butcher the name like stop on half of the name to call that on the and it was like I get it we're trying to sell the NFL worldwide but I don't care that you're trying to sell the NFL to Brazil and Mexico and France and everything else we've got a the the international fan of the year from each team is the stupidest thing I've ever seen. So if you want to do that in round six and seven knock yourself out.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:13

But it was in like round three stop it's had enough in round two they brought out a guy and and and a little kid and I think it was like a big brother little brother program.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:24

And I don't know if you remember they they the guy was announcing the pick and then goodell picked the kid up to put him to and the last guy his name was Roush the last name and he goes they go Charles he completely butchered the name well Scott it's funny because when they put the guy's name up on the on the the screen I'm like holy shit did they call like is that the right guy like he said in his house like did I did I get called what happened I'm like this poor kid like the little kid right he butchered his name so bad I'm like how do you know that's the guy exactly I mean and and like 90% of these guys that are getting drafted I can't pronounce their names and you're gonna give to an international person who can barely speak English yeah like a six year old we doing yeah you know there there's a there's a big focus on international and the other big focus that you saw flag football.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:22

Oh yes flag football's all over the place now and it's like Jesus we give it a rest you know well you say Jesus can and can one more person say glory to God I mean enough.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:34

Yep like we really do hate the draft don't we?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:38

Oh I don't think we hate the draft I think we hate what it's become yeah well we love the stuff we love I mean it's it's all season it's all yeah I have to tell the story every year about when I was in high school I would always skip on draft day because it was on a Wednesday afternoon and I would skip it in the early days of ESPN and lay on my floor with a legal notepad and write down all the picks for for my friends who were fans of other teams and stuff. So um that to me is one of like a core growing up memory and everyone knew like you know Mike's home today he's he's transcribing the draft for us and you know they'd come over who did us get who did you know I'd I'd be flipping through my notepad yeah that's awesome. Love stuff like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:30

Yeah two two quick ones from draft day um the first one stop with the Goodell booing people just stop just stop booing this it's it's old it's stale it's boring it's lame you're a loser you're an asshole stop because I would love to go up to these people and pick any one of them what exactly are you booing? There's no one you know they're not gonna have an answer because I I tell you what when the camera comes around and they show these people when their team is drafting they're doing this they're like so like and then I guess when so then when goodell comes out like that's when they're on the clock and then you know when the chargers are on the clock yeah they're pointing into the camera and then a second later goodell comes out boo like what are you what are you booing the league your team the the like what exactly are you booing? Okay it was we we kind of we've been doing this for how many years now so it's one of these things where it's just people think they it's just they just do it because like this is what we're supposed to do. So I guess we're just gonna boo Roger Goodell for what for what you're there on draft day you took the trip there you obviously are a fan of the league the whole thing the four of us were everyone's a fan what exactly are you booing Roger Goodell about? You know like what stop it it's just I mean I I may not be the guy's biggest fan either but I might like it's just it's enough we've done it enough and then the second quick one we we just alluded to a little bit I kind of just added this one as we're talking um these guys what have you ever seen a a guy take longer to put on a freaking baseball cap? I mean as far as the adjusting and and the the the my freaking microphone fell off here so I'm trying to talk to the microphone which fell I've never did you see Reese the driver it took him like two minutes I'm thinking like whoever you know Kansas City's on the clock they're probably like well you want to move it dude we're on the like our pick is in and we're gonna lose it because you're trying to put on a fucking hat putting on a hat is the stupidest thing of of all of it. Get rid of just get rid of it. Get rid of the hat that you got the jersey when you come out stop with it forget the hat okay because I'm tired of looking at the watching these guys trying to put a baseball hat on their head it's so dumb.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:50

Just get rid of it with the stupid mirror and halfway through that long ass hallway.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:55

It's the dumbest idea that's another reason I like what Ruben Bain did I think he see I think he thinks it's as dumb as we do.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:03

He just he just like stormed through that tunnel and just didn't even look at the mirror just grabbed the hat off of the I'd actually rather see I'd actually rather see a helmet just put a freaking helmet on that would be better it'd be quicker you know just put a helmet instead of get rid of the hat put a helmet on I love the jersey jersey tradition that's there's nothing like that's that's classic that's you know like so you got keep that you we we we do the jersey get rid of the hat we don't need the hat stop all the all the jerseys are number one yeah well they need to they need to put on the helmet and then have good wear a helmet and give God C T E headbutt him every time every give every headbutt out I I I I I kind of thought about Novak on this when he was talking about his his you know draft thing in the last pod but Arvel Reese was actually asked in one of the press conferences about what

SPEAKER_04 1:06:00

He thought about how is he going to participate with the disabled veterans? And I think it was like developmentally challenged youth. And he was like, um, can you repeat the question? And they repeated the question. He said, Well, I don't think I can answer that at this time. It's like, how does he know how he's gonna interact with the community? He's taking shit for it, but it's like you you you trout out so many of these groups during the draft, and then you force these guys to answer questions about that. They're like, I I I play football. The fuck? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:38

Well, they they trot they trot out the same phrases, right? Get to work, glory to God. Like the same, it's like so frustrating. Get to work, and you know, they they gotta interview all the moms of all these players. It's uh enough.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:56

And then of course, if you were you know, if your family even just like didn't make median income to like growing up as poor as you did, is this well how to tell me how this feels now? It feels great. I'm rich now.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:13

After after the NIL money that I had the last three years, that that's$7 million. I'm fine.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:19

Yeah, trust me, mom's fine. Uh, we're all by the time I'm getting drafted these days, I'm already all set.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:27

All right, we got plenty of questions this week. Uh Peacock asks, one move that our teams didn't make that we wish we did. And um, I I think I speak for at least Cardone on this. I I wish we had picked downs.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:43

That's mine. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:44

If if for no other reason, just to qu shut people up, uh I wish we had picked downs so we didn't have to be talking about all this. But I am fine with the draft the way it was.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:55

I was fine with the draft the way it was. The only thing that the Jets did not do was address the linebacker situate situation. So we did not take a linebacker, which I was frustrated by, but um other than that, I have no complaints. I think we addressed a lot of needs and we got a lot better as a team.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:15

I I don't know if I support this line of questioning, but we do take all questions. So it's bang, Mary, or kill, Diana Rossini, Laura Rutledge, or Aaron Andrews.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:30

Bang Mary and Kill.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:32

I can go first on this because I'll tell you, I like at this moment in time, I know he's catching a lot of heat, but I don't blame Mike Vrabel. Like she I think I would go bang and marry on her and then kill Aaron Andrews. I don't let the other girl go. I don't even know her.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:56

Yeah, Laura Rutledge is kind of nondescript. It would be like you know, throwing in Pam Oliver in this discussion, which you know, at least we know who she is. I I I'd probably uh well, I wouldn't marry her or bang her, so that I guess at least only one option. So I'm with you, Mike. I think same thing. Rossini, pretty hot. Yeah. I don't know. I I'll just but hey, anyone that's gonna make out with me in a bar and uh go to go tropical places?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:28

I'm gonna I tell you, I'm gonna I'm gonna really switch it up, I think. I'm actually I'm I'm gonna take I'm banging Erin Andrews. What the hell? Why not? I mean and just and then one it's a one-time thing, right? And isn't that and then just because she'd be high mainness of shit, so you're not marrying her. Um I don't think I'm just I'm banging Erin Andrews just for just because of her, you know, longevity, whatever it is. She's been around forever. I'm like, yeah, I'll take that one. Um I'll probably marry Laura Rutledge because she seems harmless. Right? Harmless little thing. She's she's gonna like she'll let you put your you know, she'll she'll she'll let you drink as many beers as you want, have the guys over, watch the games, this and that, and I mean, without giving you any trouble. Like, you're gonna clean this mess up as next, she's not gonna do any of that, you know. And I guess that has to by default, I guess I'm killing Rustini, I guess. I don't know, because that's you know, by default, I don't have a good reason, I guess, to kill her because she seems like you know, like a lot of fun, whatever, but that's my uh I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:21

I want to clarification on this. Did didn't Aaron Andrews also get in a situation where she was dating someone, or is that uh am I wrong?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:28

No, she was the one that sued someone for like peeping or something.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:32

Oh yeah, no, she had to that's right, that's right. There was pee yeah, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:37

55 million or she was she was awarded something like that for the colour.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:40

And I always think there were some rumors that she was like what the people she were interviewing with. I I always thought there were rumors that she might have been involved.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:47

But Laura Rutledge seems like a nice enough person. I'd marry her, and I'm I I I don't like Deanna Rossini because of what she did to the Jets, so I would absolutely kill her. So by default, you know, that's what I would do with uh Aaron Andrews, who I don't like either, because I she's the most overrated person on the planet is is uh what's her name? Aaron Andrews.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:10

Oh, she's uh mate high maintenance, the whole thing. Like she'd be yeah, but you know, just just to like ruin her for one night there, that'd be fun. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:21

So I think I think Peacock got his enjoyment out of that segment already.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:26

We all answered it, so yeah, gun to our head, we had to answer it, and we did.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:30

So uh he also asks, you know, way too early playoff predictions here. Based on the draft, is it enough for us to get excited about playoffs? I'll say this. Look, I mean guys, the way things have gone the last you know seven, eight years, this is our Super Bowl. The draft is our Super Bowl. And for me, I'm happy. I'm I'm I'm excited. Uh all I can do is go up from here because once the game starts, we get thrashed down to reality.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:03

Usually. Yeah. I don't excited. I don't think this draft did anything one way or the other to change my playoff outlook. Not that I like I've said a bunch, not that I think it was a bad draft. That is don't think anything happened over this weekend that made me say, whoop, there it is. That's you know, that's the magic. Um, and that would have gone if we gotten downs as well.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:25

Uh, so I don't I mean this sounds like a maybe a lame answer, but I I we have a chance. I think we at least have a chance to make the playoffs this year. So I think a lot of it's gonna come down to we'll we'll be back on here talking about the schedule. If we can get, God forbid, we get a favorable schedule at least in the first month or two and we get off to a good start. That might be, you know, like so. I think that that'll have a lot to do with it. Um so uh it listen, we got we have a chance to make the playoffs this year. I still don't think I think we're a year away from that still. I don't know that we're gonna make that big a leap, because it is a big leap when you've won seven games in the last two years combined to all of a sudden be in be in the playoffs. But I think the Giants will at least uh still have meaningful games uh this year. We always say by Halloween uh they're already gone. I think they'll still be around at least uh by you know come November. So uh but I don't think they're making I don't think they're I still don't think they're making the playoffs this year. I still think they're at least a year away.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:21

That's usually our yearly goal is is be relevant at Halloween. Gotta be skeptical. I love that. Be relevant in Halloween. Can't make it. I think out of the out of the seven years we've done this pod, I think five of them we've not been relevant in Halloween. In all honesty, seriously. No, I think that I think that's been the case.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:40

I I I'm not gonna give you know season predictions yet, but I think the Giants are making the playoffs this year, and I think you might win the division. I mean, that the Giants are a talented group when you think about Carter and now um what's his face? The the guy you just drafted. Reese.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:57

Reese.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:58

Reese, Carter and Reese, and Burns, and you know, um neighbors and Dart and Scataboo and a good offensive line and you Isaiah Likely and Jim Harbaugh or John Harbaugh. I think the Giants are a really good team, and I I I think the Giants are making the playoffs this year. I really do. Now for the Jets, um we're not making the playoffs. There's no chance in hell we're doing that. But I think we've gotten a lot better. I would like to think we'll at least not be a laughing stock. That's my that's my that's my goal. Not a laughing stock. Are we a six-win, seven-win team this year? I think so. And next year, we have four picks in the top probably 35. You don't want you know what I know. With a great quarterback class coming out, good quarterback. And a huge cap number. We have no high-paid players on this roster. None. Not one. So yeah, I think finally, and I'm hoping, and yes, it's the offseason, but I think the Jets are finally uh starting to look like a team that might have a future.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:03

You know what I don't like, you know, Novak, is that it's another year for Garrett Wilson. It's another year for your two running backs. You know, how do you how do you balance that? That that's the hard part is that you end up getting into that situation now where these guys have to get into second contracts. Well, I I agree with you. I think I think you're on the path, especially if you hit on next year's draft. I just hate that they that you basically waste a year.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:29

Well, Derek Wilson did sign a second contract, and I think they're gonna sign Brees Hall to his second contract in the next month or two. So those guys are gonna be signed, and then you've got Sadiq and you've got you know Cooper and everything else. Here's one thing I'll say. Don't rule out the fact the Jets have three first-round draft choices next year. Everyone says they're gonna draft a rookie. I don't know that that's true. If just keep an eye on it, if the Eagles or the the Bengals, for example, had really bad years, they might want to retool and start over. Joe Burrow and Jalen Hurts could be bought for a couple, two or three draft choices. First round draft choices. So I'll I'm not saying it's going to happen, but I'm sure as hell going to be rooting for those two teams to be bad. And I don't love Jalen Hurts, but I could absolutely see the Jets trying to do something with Joe Burrow, who's clearly not happy there in Cincinnati. And there's no team in the NFL, not one, that has the draft capital that the Jets do that could potentially tell the the the Bengals, you can start over, you got three number one draft choices, get Joe Burrow over here with all of these rookies and all these young players that we have, and all of a sudden the Jets are a factor.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:38

Hey, you got Kate Klubnick, you're okay. Kate Klubnick. So my friend Mike asks a question, and I don't know if you guys saw neighbors' comments after the draft or during the draft. And you know, he was that guy needs to shut up. Yeah, yeah. So he's asking, i are his comments part of his his immaturity, or is he kind, you know, is he is he an asshole? And uh I I really don't know how to answer this. I mean, I mean, basically what what Malik Neighbors was saying is that if you draft a wide receiver in the first you know round, you're gonna pay him cost control, then you're gonna cut me or trade me and in and you know when it comes time to pay me. Um I for me, I think I think a lot of these wide receivers are divas. I think they're it's immaturity at first, but a lot of these guys are assholes too. So I I I really don't know how to answer this.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:38

Clearly immature. I mean, just I I don't know enough about Malik Neighbors to make that call. I I just why has it always got to be the receivers, right, Cardin? Why is it always why is it gotta be the receivers? Just the good ones. It's like just shut up, man. You didn't even draft a wide receiver.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:01

Neighbors, you haven't earned enough in this league to be yapping, dude. Nothing. You haven't, man. So just you know what? You're just a player, dude. You're an employee on the team. Let the GM, let the head coach, let the front office handle the draft. You just go and get fucking your knee healthy and get back to, you know, and just play some good football, come uh, you know, game uh the September asshole. Don't worry about what the who the team is drafting. Just just worry about your own position, worry about yourself. That's it.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:29

I used to get mad enough at Beckham, and Beckham was a great player, but he would always step into areas that he didn't need to be.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:35

Beckham at least, but but he came on and was an immediate like game changer. I neighbors hasn't quite done that yet. So that's why I gave OBJ as uh I gave him a lot of slack because uh he he produced immediately. You know, neighbors hasn't quite neighbors is not obj. He's not right, not yet. So, you know, um he could be, he might be. I would want him to be. Um, so just these guys, man, they just can't. I I don't know, man. They it's just it's again, it's today's social media, it's today's there's a camera everywhere, something's being recorded everywhere, and these guys don't know how to stay out of it. They don't start, they just don't know how to stay out of it.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:16

Neighbors strikes me as like AJ Brown.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:19

Yeah, take his shirt off.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:22

I don't like yeah, he he just needs to pipe down. He really does. Just stop it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:30

So Mike also asks, with our new offensive linemen that we have now, are Neil and Azudu gone? And I think I for me, it all comes down to camp. I think in camp, Harbaugh and the team will make decisions on offensive linemen, all personnel, to be honest with you. I mean, we got a lot of kickers in in in camp too. I I think Neil might might stick around in the Zudu both as as depth, but I I have no idea right now. I mean, I it really depends on what their evaluations are of these players.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:04

I can't believe Neil's still here, so yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:07

I can't either.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:08

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:10

I think I think Neil being here too is a black mark. It could be a black mark on Shane, but it's also a black mark on Dables because Harbaugh might be saying, Hey, I see some promise in the sky. But again, we have to see how that how that pans out in and I think the next few months in work and everything else.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:30

Neil, and you said is is he do, right, Scott? Yeah, yeah. Is it do? Uh, these guys are fourth on the depth chart. Fourth. Uh so uh, you know, they're at this point, they're just expendable. You know, just is uh Neil, I want gone. I just want him gone. And then you know, these are guys that are just buried on the depth chart. Uh, in my opinion, they're not a factor on this team.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:49

So you know, I'll go back. We were talking about flowers earlier in the podcast. If you remember, Flowers left us and went to the the commanders, and they they said he had a great couple years as a guard, which he didn't want to move to a guard as as the Giants, but then again, after those two years, he was supposedly great, he's out of the league.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:09

So you know, Bull Azutu he is out of the league, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:13

Yeah, I haven't I don't think flowers has been around for the last two years now. But Azudu and and Neil, I mean, if Neil can be moved to guard and he's accepting of that and he tries it, maybe we find something, maybe he's a backup. I I don't know. The guy came out of college with such a good pedigree. I I you know it's really tough.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:34

Another point, though, about you know, drafting, we don't know. Like a lot of these teams who will later be picked on for the picks. Like I saw today that this is uh Reese's second coming of the Thibodeau Neal draft, right? I'm like, but every every one, every media person, fan, and everything gave that draft an A. I mean, getting Thibodeau, I I was when that draft when we got Thibodeau and Neil, I thought that was a franchise altering draft. And and so did everyone else. It's not like people are like, oh, they're gonna regret this Neil pick. No one was saying that. He was an absolute no-brainer pick. It just you don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:20

Well, and and what do you guys mentioned earlier? I mean, you think about it. We have now we have Thibodeau still, we have Burns, we have uh Carter, and we have uh Reese. And you think about those four guys being as rushers, as long as we can shore up the back end, we can get to the quarterback. You know, so so I we don't necessarily have the whole NASCAR package that we had before, but we have something similar where we should have a formidable you know pass rush. Now, yeah, you need to have a that that's why I would have loved to have downs because you have a safety back there that can hold things down and and a couple cornerbacks and defensive backs and things like that. But guys, I I I see the plan, I see it coming together.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:13

Well, that and you know, Thibodeau, the only reason Thibodeau gets as much hate as he does is because where he was drafted. Yeah, because he's a pretty solid linebacker, he's not what people thought he was gonna be, he's not constantly in the backfield, he's not, you know, just the gonna be a perennial all pro and go to the hall of fame. But he's the one thing about him, I'll say, is he's really smart. Like he doesn't get beat outside much. He's you know, he's a smart player, he's just not a splash player. And so I always think that people are like, oh, we drafted this guy so we can cut Thibodeau now. No, like why don't maybe this will help Thibodeau? Like, why do we always have to immediately when we sign a player at a position, does that mean someone else is expendable? I mean, teams win Super Bowls because they have depth.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:01

Tibbs made a hell of a play on a tush push last year that was not allowed. That's right. He broke the touch card.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:10

Scott, I want to make mention of one move that I was happy about. Uh, we did uh get uh cut ties with uh Hudson, the offensive lineman. Yeah, if any Giant fans remember week two when we that devastating loss at Dallas. Hudson was the guy who we didn't even know who he was, and he was doing side to the head punches. He had this is the guy who had three offensive like holdings and offsides on one fucking drive. If you guys remember that drive where it cost us four points because we had a touchdown and it was called back, and we ended up only kicking a field goal on that drive. And Hudson was the guy who was punching people in the side of the head, if you guys remember that. I didn't even know. Remember, like we were texting Dortmund like, like, who is this guy? Why is Livington ruining my life right now?

SPEAKER_04 1:24:58

Remember that we were talking like Yeah, Jabe Hudson, James Hudson had like five penalties on one drive. One drive. I didn't know who he was.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:07

I I would one thing I would add is that the greatest of all time, I think we'd all agree, offensive lineman bust of all time is Tony Manderich, right?

unknown 1:25:16

Right?

SPEAKER_01 1:25:17

Pretty much universally everyone says.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:19

You know what's funny about that though? Tony Manderich lasted like eight years in the league. He did.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:23

He played with the Colts for a couple of years. Yeah, but because of the expectation level, he is the greatest of all time bust from an offensive lineman standpoint. You could make the argument Evan Neal is close to number two. Definitely. Because I am not a a Giants fan, but I remember watching Evan Neal, and he would basically just stand there and like let people run right by him to go destroy Daniel Jones. He was a guy who was always on the f on the ground, and he he seemingly lost all ability to block anyone and anything when he went to the NFL. Yeah, like nothing I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:05

Who's the guy from the from the Raiders? Uh Robert Gallery. Gallery. He was pretty bad too.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:13

Neil had like this unbelievable record at Alabama where he gave up like one quarterback pressure in four seasons or something. And he comes to the NFL, and that happens like six times on his first drive in the NFL.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:30

So Mike asked one last question, and it's one I I I really don't know how we'll answer, but he said one rookie on each side of the ball to make an impact. Um, based on what we've seen in the draft, I mean, all I could say is I'm I'm I'm hoping Reese makes an impact on the defensive side and and Maliwa makes an impact on the offensive side. Maybe maybe you could make a uh an argument for Fields, but it's I mean I mean, based on what we have, I uh you know we only have eight guys to pull from or six guys to pull from.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:05

Yeah. If he's talking about the whole draft, I mean to me the two biggest guys who could come in and change your entire offense or defense in this draft were uh uh Downs and uh the running back from Notre Dame.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:21

A love.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:22

Yeah, Jeremy.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:24

Who by the way, the uh the the other uh Notre Dame running back did get drafted at the end of the first round by Seattle. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:32

But yeah, the Giants uh you know for the Giants, I just think it's they just went depth in this draft. They just went best player available, and I you know, I if the number one guy in your draft board is there when you pick at five, you change the plan. That's just you know, for people who you know got their heart set on downs, it was what the Giants felt a better player. Available when they got there, you know. I I get it. But you know, like I said, I don't know if these two picks are splash picks.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:10

You know what's funny about the draft? Like you only have um you get greedy, right? You get you want everybody. And obviously, uh it's it's obviously uh it can't happen, but it's like you want every guy. And you know, after we got Reese, then I was looking, I was looking at J uh Jordan Tyson, right? The receiver ASU, and I was thinking like, oh man, I really want him. And then uh, you know, it's the New Orleans was sitting there and grabbed him. So I wanted I was I had my eyes on him because I was thinking receiver, receiver. That was before because I thought maybe Downs wouldn't be there. And then when he was so you know how like maybe that happens in the war, I would love to be in one of these war rooms just once. Imagine that experience and just being there, you know. Um I tell you, uh, but uh to answer the question for the Giants, I don't know. I like you said, who knows? I mean, we it's a small group of guys. I mean, maybe it's Fields, maybe you know, he maybe he's you know a third-round guy coming from Notre Dame. Maybe he um you know hits the ground, uh, you know, explosive, uh, you know, maybe he just comes out and he becomes darts. Well, you know, maybe a lot of attention goes to neighbors, maybe Isaiah likely, and maybe Fields just find himself, you know, uh getting a lot of targets and picking up a lot of key you know catches on three. Who knows? Um we don't know. But if I had to say offensively, um I'll go with Fields just you know to be an impact player right away.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:25

For the Jets, I would say um you would think Bailey would be my answer on defense, but I'm gonna say that uh Pons, who's uh a slot corner, is gonna have our first interception uh in uh two years.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:39

So you know he's looking he's a 5'9 guy, sure, but apparently he's got a knack for the ball, and I think he's gonna get our first interception. And then the offensive side, I I love Sadiq. I think this guy is gonna be a game changer. Um so I think he's gonna be an offensive stud. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:58

I love tight ends too, and and and tight ends rarely pan out the way I think they're going to, which kind of sucks.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:04

When you're you you're a 6'5 guy there, 6'4 tight end that can run a 4-3, 40.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:10

I hey, I love I love Theo Johnson. Theo Johnson drops a lot of balls. You know, I thought Theo Johnson would be great. He and he he did play well as a rookie. He just, you know, he was inconsistent. Um, by the way, I have to give kudos to Mike because he did um simmer sauce with pork chops in it, meatballs, and sausage, he said. So he's got that simmering for for this Sunday. So we were talking about Sunday sauce. No, no, my my friend Mike. Mike Hesman. No, no, we were talking Mike last last time we had a question about Sunday sauce or Sunday gravy.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:48

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:48

And and Cardone and I both said, no, it's it's it's Sunday sauce. And and and Mike agreed, and he he's made Sunday sauce, not Sunday gravy, because gravy goes on mashed potatoes. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:02

I like how Scott said, no, no, no, not you, my friend Mike. I didn't hear anything after that. I didn't that's all I heard before I shut it down.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:16

Yeah, sorry about that. You guys got anything else to think?

SPEAKER_02 1:31:22

We we didn't talk about the uh some of the unhappiness that happened in this draft, which from Sean McVay.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:30

Oh, yeah, that's right. We were gonna talk about that in the round of the NFL.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:35

He has trouble hiding his emotions, doesn't he? Did you hear him on the phone with the guy?

SPEAKER_04 1:31:42

Well, the funniest thing about this is that Novak was adamant about you know not drafting Ty Simpson. And I think Sean McVay was adamant about drafting Ty Simpson. And I don't think he was the worst thing about this to me is what's going on in LA that he's not consulted about who they draft.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:02

And he could get that mad. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:04

Yeah. I mean, do you blame him? No, that team does that team should be a player or two away from winning a Super Bowl championship. And you're gonna draft a borderline, maybe a starter in two years from now with your 13th pick, when you could have had a lockdown corner, a edge rusher, a wide receiver. I mean, there was a ton of players on the board that could have helped push that team over the uh over the edge, so to speak. I if I were McVeigh, I'd be pissed too. But but I think what he's more pissed about is that he's not in the same position that Harbaugh is with Coffee Boy because Coffee Boy would not be able to dictate who they're drafting.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:53

Right? He just he just brings the paper from what Harbaugh wants to the person that makes the call to you know to draft the player.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:02

That coffee boy is front and center when they're doing the bro hugs and the high fives and all that. Oh, of course.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:08

He does a really good job of writing down the name on a card and handing it in or typing it in an email. One of the two is really good at it. Love the name Coffee Boy. I do think that's a sorry. I'm gonna say it every week, and I'm gonna find a way to crowbar that in there because this loser with his backpack and his coffee.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:30

That is a point, guys, though. Think about that structure with LA. Well, yeah, it yeah, it's LA. Um I don't think I don't think McVeigh knows what's what's being put forth for the draft. Like he's not involved with that.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:47

I think he's out after this year after after watching that. I really do think so.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:52

We we already know he's been I'm sure that's exactly what he's thinking is dude, I'm not gonna be here in four years when this dude might play. This player has nothing to do with me.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:03

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:04

This player has I will never coach this player in a game.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:08

I can you imagine making that call to Matt Stafford? Yeah, who's probably in his last year? Hey, we're gonna take your replacement with our 13th pick. If I were Matt Stafford, I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? Yeah. Really?

SPEAKER_04 1:34:23

Can you at least make it someone good? Come on, guys. Yes, yeah, it's a prime.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:32

I mean, they could have they could have taken a that would have made more sense.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:39

Actually, I'm joking, but that that would have been the the the play. Put a guy like Klubnik Nussmeyer in there later in the rounds. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:49

Yeah, it it's that was the funniest thing of the whole draft was watching him in that press conference.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:56

Did you see the I forget who it was, what player it was, but he's a lifelong Cleveland fan, and he got drafted by the Steelers and he didn't want to put the hat on. Did you see that guy?

SPEAKER_03 1:35:05

No, I did not see that.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:07

They showed him at home, and his whole family's like these Browns fans, and they they announce the pick, and he just starts laughing, and he puts his head down, and his family's like smacking him, and he's got the hat, and he's looking at it like uh sit on.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:21

I I will say this. I I was watching the draft every time they went to a Georgia player that wasn't at the draft, and and Georgia's known for having like disciplinary problems, guys that get arrested and stuff like that. Every one of those guys would stand up and act like they are the fucking shit. They they they I I was like, these guys are such fucking thugs. What's going on here?

SPEAKER_01 1:35:49

Didn't their their kicker last name Smack get drafted too? Wasn't that a thing? I don't know. I don't know. There was a there probably there was a kicker that got drafted. His last name was Smack, and I was like, why couldn't that be my kicker?

SPEAKER_02 1:36:05

Smack it.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:09

Trey Smack Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:10

Yeah, Tracy trade up to take kicker Trey Smack. They traded up.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:15

Oh that was he was Florida, sorry, it wasn't Georgia. But nonetheless, there was a guy, Trey Smack, got drafted. He's a kicker. That sounds about right.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:23

What round?

SPEAKER_01 1:36:25

It was like fifth or sixth or something.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:27

Yeah, I'm looking. I'm trying to do that.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:28

That's as funny as the guy last guy that got kicker that was his last name was what? Suck up. Suck up, Ryan Suck Up.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:34

He used to he was Mr. Irrelevant, right? Didn't we? He was Mr. Irrelevant, you're right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:40

Well, there's a guy that he's a kicker for the Browns, Andre Schmidt. But it Schmidt is like S Z Y M T H or something like that. It's like he he was a kicker for for Syracuse. So you guys got anything else tonight? All right, so to to uh Cardone's point, we got about a month. It's it's it's April 26th. I think probably almost a month from now, we'll get the the schedule release. And that's when we'll be back. Um it it's very odd for us to do two two pods in a row in this in this time frame, but uh we did the draft preview, the draft recap, and I think we'll be back when the schedule's release so we can plot out uh where our wins and losses are.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:31

I mean, I'm I'm not gonna lie. I am praying the Giants have a bad schedule because I love to watch Cardone go off on the uh my favorite time of the year. It's like the the best rant that he ever has is when they they just Giants just get screwed every single year with the the league doesn't it fails to never fails to disappoint us.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:51

So uh they'll they'll they'll come out with uh the the worst possible schedule September. Make sure that the Giants are are are are you know one and five again. So have at it.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:59

We you we called it back in in May of last year. We have to play back-to-back opening games against divisional foes, and it screwed us. We we got off to an 0-2 start.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:13

Here we go. Uh for I I heard what Scotty was talking about earlier, too, that there's some scuttle butt about Giants at what Seattle week one or something at Seattle, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:25

So uh that I'm telling you if that happens, uh man. We'll we'll have a lot to talk about that night.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:31

So just what AFC division do you have this year?

SPEAKER_00 1:38:34

AFC? We have the South. South. So so we're not fighting each other, you get to play. I was gonna say eventually that they'll have to play you know uh the Giants at uh occasionally they the Colts can't play the Titans every single week and and the Jags and Texans. So they're we're we'll have to slip in the NFC East will slip in there.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:55

No way we we have to play the AFC South. You can't give us Giants against Houston week one.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:02

Oh, Houston's actually good. I yeah, but I mean give us something like that, you know? Yeah, give you the Jags at home on week one or something.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:09

Jags at home, Jags will be in the Cardinals at home.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:14

Titans at home. That's the last time we won an opener, right? Titans?

SPEAKER_01 1:39:17

Oh, the Titans, that would be a good one. Actually, oh, because Dayball, yes, actually they uh guys. Get Dayball back in. Uh we would have a Stala day at most, week one. Give us that. Please give us that. Come on. NFL gods, do us a solid we've called a solid.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:38

You got Dayball coming back to MetLife. So, like that's a great storyline for the NFL. You want to go week one, Tennessee at Giants? You could do it. They could easily do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:47

And didn't they like sign like 30 Giants in the offseason, too? Exactly. They did.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:52

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:52

Ooh, that could be it. Dayball coming back to Met Death on week one. I could see it.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:59

If that outweighs Seattle, I'll take it in a heartbeat. Of course. All right, guys. Um, I think that's it. By the way, just uh house cleaning. Uh, we were on last week. Uh, we did not have video, so we were not on YouTube. We might have video as a lost archive at some point, but uh we'll we'll we'll try and retrieve that.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:24

I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:25

We will try to retrieve that, but we had a lot of downloads on audio, so we were happy for that. Um, this week we are on video, so we'll be back. Well, yeah, hopefully. So we'll be back um again, probably in another three, four weeks when the schedule release happens. It's in May. I'm not sure exactly when. It just says May right now.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:51

But things will start leaking out. Oh, yeah. Up until then, we pretty much know the first week.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:58

Guys, that's kind of a pet peeve. I I would I was on a couple draft calls, like watching the Giants, and the amount of time I heard the Giants pick before they actually announced it, it really ruined a lot of things, you know. Like, I I I was letting Novak know who was being picked. He's like, Don't let me know.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:17

Stop letting me know.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:18

Yeah, yeah, you were you're killing the draft for me. You're telling me who's going. I was like, although I did text a bunch of people who the Jets had drafted, and they were like blown away that I got it right. Yeah, they're like it was Sadiq or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:30

Scott's a Scott's an NFL insider. They're like, My God, Scott's got all the intel.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:35

But with with all the tweets and stuff going on now, I think there's so many leaks. You know, it's crazy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:41

Yeah, you don't have to look very hard to find them if you're looking for them.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:46

So all right. Well we'll be back uh probably at the end of May. Uh, but until then, guys, we love we love the participation so far. We love being back for season seven. We are the angry football fans, and uh we will see you soon.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:03

All right.