Join Pam and Karen, experienced practitioners and teachers of Karuna Reiki®, as they explore this powerful healing practice.
In this podcast, you'll learn about the origins, principles, and techniques of Karuna Reiki® and the transformative effects it can have on the mind, body, and soul. You'll discover the mysteries of compassionate energy and the transformative power of Karuna Reiki® that can help you on your healing journey.
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Karen Caig is an LRMT with the International Center for Reiki Training since 2020. With a passion for helping others find relief from stress and pain, she continues to be guided on her own healing path by Reiki. Karen's mission is to train at least one Reiki Master for every family, to promote deep healing and make the world a better place.
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Pam Allen-LeBlanc is a scientist, a businesswoman, and a Licensed Reiki Master Teacher (LRMT) with the International Center for Reiki Training. She is the author of "The Reiki Business Book" and a co-author of ICRT Animal Reiki training. Pam teaches Reiki, Animal Reiki, and Animal Communication online and in person in Canada, the US, and Australia.
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A special thanks goes out to Music from Pixabay for the intro music and to Nate Miller for the meditation music.
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Join Pam and Karen, experienced practitioners and teachers of Karuna Reiki®, as they explore this powerful healing practice.
In this podcast, you'll learn about the origins, principles, and techniques of Karuna Reiki® and the transformative effects it can have on the mind, body, and soul. You'll discover the mysteries of compassionate energy and the transformative power of Karuna Reiki® that can help you on your healing journey.
Karuna Reiki® is the registered service mark of William Lee Rand.
Karen Caig is an LRMT with the International Center for Reiki Training since 2020. With a passion for helping others find relief from stress and pain, she continues to be guided on her own healing path by Reiki. Karen's mission is to train at least one Reiki Master for every family, to promote deep healing and make the world a better place.
Contact Karen:
Email: karen@arkansasreiki.com
Website: www.Reiki-Institute.com
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ArkansasReikiInstitute
Pam Allen-LeBlanc is a scientist, a businesswoman, and a Licensed Reiki Master Teacher (LRMT) with the International Center for Reiki Training. She is the author of "The Reiki Business Book" and a co-author of ICRT Animal Reiki training. Pam teaches Reiki, Animal Reiki, and Animal Communication online and in person in Canada, the US, and Australia.
Pam's ICRT Classes:
Book a Reiki, Animal Reiki, or Animal Communication session:
Order The Reiki Business Book :
Contact Pam:
Email: pam@reikifromthefarm.com
A special thanks goes out to Music from Pixabay for the intro music and to Nate Miller for the meditation music.
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Hi, and welcome to the Reiki from the Farm Podcast, brought to you by me, Pam Allen Loblaw from Hidden Brook Farm. I am a scientist, a businesswoman, and a licensed Reiki master teacher with the International Center for Reiki. each week in this podcast, you'll be entertained as you learn about a wide variety of relevant Reiki topics helping you become a more knowledgeable and effective Reiki practitioner. We caution you though this podcast may also dramatically improve your life. And we are so happy that you're here. Welcome everyone. On this week's podcast, I'm talking with Karen Keg about Kaurna Reiki. Welcome Karen. Thank you for having me. I'm excited to talk about this topic because our students have a lot of questions about Kaurna Reiki, don't they? Oh my goodness. It's probably the most confusing thing about the classes that we teach.
So it's gonna be really nice to Help people understand what it is, what it can benefit, and let them find out if this is for them. It's not for everybody, but for those that do study Kaurna, Reiki, they get a lot from it. Yeah. tell my students, I said, about half of the students who take Reiki one and two will sign up for Reiki Master. They feel called to go on, go farther, and only about half of those student. Feel the call to come on to Kaurna Reiki. Sometimes it's immediately, six months later when they're eligible for it. And sometimes it's a couple years down the road for me it was. And but it's a special kind of Reiki so I talking about it. Yeah, me too. And maybe more people will might peak their interest cuz I'll tell you what, it is gorgeous and lovely to have. So before we begin though, I just wanna let people know what we have going on at the farm. Of all I'm going to be teaching in Australia in March, both online and in person. If those time zones, if the Australian time zone, I'll be teaching in the Canberra time zone. If that works for you, please join us. I'll be teaching Level one and two and Masters, which would qualify you to become a professional member of the Reiki Membership Association and also Animal Reiki, level one and two. And that should be a lot of fun. I'll be teaching at my friend Mary Merton. Ryan's beautiful. We often are rated on the deck and parrots and beautiful animals join us. It's lovely. Then in April I have a full lineup of classes, level one and two Master. Animal Reiki, level one and two and master. And a little later on I've got a Kaurna Reiki, an animal communication class coming up. Now, the animal communication class is evolving. I'm hearing that there will be symbols soon. I don't know if they'll be there. In time for this class, but certainly there have been attunements added and it's become a lot more powerful as I continue to feel into this evolvement. I'll keep you updated and I will also try to create something, some sort of an upgrade for people who've already studied it with me because it really has become quite advanced lately and. Different energy a little bit more to it. I will be sharing that with people. And in May I wanna let you know that I'll be in Silver Bay, New York at the Northeast Reiki retreat, teaching animal Reiki level one and two. And then I'll also be presenting. In mid May at the retreat itself. So I will put a link in the podcast to the retreat. There are still spots if you'd like to attend. William Rand is also teaching there. Carolyn Musel and Tracy Sullivan. So would love to see you there. And one last little announcement I quite, a lot of you have been telling me that you would. To me to mentor you from a business standpoint. And so what I'm going to do is it's, it may not be until the fall, but I am going to be creating a business mentoring. Course the strong guidance is coming in from that. I don't know what the timing is, but just keep an eye out for that and keep an eye out for our new website. My daughter is a copywriter. She's been helping me put together my new website. It will be live very soon, including an online store where you can order our essential oils. So even though it's winter and it seems quiet, it seems like there's been an awful. Happening. Karen, you've got a lot going on. Do you wanna tell us a little bit about that? Yes I do have in March I do have two a Reiki one and two Reiki master class coming up. And then April, I'm taking off the entire month because I'm moving to. And so I don't have any classes during April, but I will pick up again in May with Animal Reiki classes, June, and I'm gonna alternate between animal Reiki classes and regular Reiki classes. And I have a class coming up in August that I already have people signing up for. And I usually offer Karina a couple of, maybe three times a year. Yeah, me too. So I have one coming up in August and then another one in December. So yeah, it's gonna be an exciting year. I don't, people say, are you going to teach in person in Ecuador? And I'm like, maybe. But probably it's going to be, I'm in the same time zone. I'm just right on the equator So I'm just moved from the Ozark Mountains to the Andes Mountains and so it, yeah, it'll be different. but pretty much the same. That is, I'm so very excited for you and Kaurna Reiki may have been one of the guiding forces that made this possible. Maybe I love Kaurna Reiki. People, my students ask me, I guess we should just dive right in. What is Kaurna? Reiki? Do you wanna go ahead and jump in and start talking about that? Do you know what? Why don't we go into an invocation and while we do Oh yeah. You and I can use the distance symbol and send Kaurna Reiki to the listeners so they can get a feel for it, because it's a very different frequency and vibration than ysu Reiki, isn't it? Yes, it is. It is. To me it's, it seems, feels more, it feels more feminine. Yeah. To me. And softer. Yeah. And yet incredibly powerful. Yeah, let's do that. I'm gonna just invite everybody listening to close your eyes. If you can bring your hands together in Gassho and just take a deep breath, just breathing in the Reiki energy. That surrounds you activating your symbols, and Karen and I are gonna silently chant the Kaurna Reiki symbols directing them to you through the distance symbol. And I'm just going to invite you to feel or and see what you notice in your body. We'll begin with the first symbol, which is like a spiritual anesthetic, and it just is really powerful at releasing all the way into the cellular level. And then we'll chant the second symbol, which brings deep healing. And the third symbol that heals the heart and relationships among other things. The fourth symbol is powerfully grounding, and if you have any energies that need to release right now, you'll notice that they release through the bottoms of your feet effortlessly, thanks to the previous symbols. And this one. And Karen, would you lead us through the next four, the next one? I like to use for clearing my mind, connecting with source for creativity, connecting my higher self with my human self. And the next one I use a lot to connect to. My personal power is one of my favorite symbols. I love this one too. Before I had animal Reiki, I would use this symbol to connect to nature. Into those interdimensional beings I find in nature. And the next one is for peace. I'd like to use this one if I'm feeling fearful about something or panicked. If you're worried about things and you can't fall asleep. It's good for manifesting. Which have been using a lot, manifesting the best results. It's also a good symbol for increasing your clairvoyance and the final Karina symbol. Is also deeply grounding and with combined with the previous symbol, it's powerful in manifesting. I've used this one a lot trying to prepare to move to another country. It's helped me ground. Manifest what I need, prioritize what I need to be working on, and we'll end with Holy Fire. Holy fire. Holy fire. We'll just invite the energy to envelop us and assist us as we listen to the rest of the podcast, essentially giving the listeners, giving you a Kaurna Reiki session. Whenever you feel ready, I invite you to come back. I hope everyone was able to feel that. It's very subtle, the differences between the frequencies, but Oh, there's my other cat but it's kinda neat what it does. I hope everybody could feel it too. So yeah, let's start with what is Kaurna Reiki and where does, so what was that What was that I just experienced and where did it come from? Let's start with that, Karen. Okay. So Karina and maybe this is maybe a place to address where in the I C R T, we have a trademark after Kaurna Reiki, because the word kauna is just a Sanskrit word that means compassionate. Action. And the International Center for Reiki training has not trademarked the energy. That would be ridiculous. Nobody can do that. The reason we have trademarked the name Kaurna Reiki is to distinguish it from some of the other reikis that have there's, what is it? Karina Key, but the word Karina just means compassionate action. And so this specific Reiki that. Through. It was developed by the I C R T, not just through William Rand, but through many of his students kept, they were getting these symbols and they brought them and Lorrell, Shanti, Gaia. This may be a good time to plug her book this the book on Kaurna Reiki by Lorrell Shanti. Gaia is a, is a. A good little resource on what is Kaurna? Reiki and how she worked with it. But she was instrumental in helping bring these energies forward and they worked with these symbols and what is They were I guess when these frequencies, when we're ready, when the. When the student is ready, the teacher appears. And I guess when we are ready the Reiki appears the energy to help us along our evolution. And I think, so this came out in the nineties, this is when this was coming through before Holy fire. And they were working with these symbols like, wow, okay. And then developed it into, in the original, there were two separate classes. There was Karina one and Karina two, and we still refer to the first four symbols as Karina one symbols and the second. For as Karina two symbols, but we teach the class as it's both a practitioner and a masterclass. So you become a Kaurna Reiki practitioner. But also in that three day class you learn how to teach Kaurna Reiki, only Reiki masters from any lineage, any sui lineage can take Reiki. So we require a six month. period between master and Kaurna because you need to work with the energy at the master level. And as I said earlier, only about half of the people who take master. At least in my experience, I dunno, but would've, yeah, no, the same with me. I only teach it about three times a year for the same reason. Like not as many people move on to Kauna, but it's a little bit of a shame, isn't it? And it is. I will mention that just the evolvement. of the energy. That's another reason for the trademark because a lot of people were starting to, energy evolves and it, our Usui Reiki energy began evolving with Usui and the evolvement continued with Hayashi, with taca and with the teachers that came after them as well. And. One of the things that happened, like you said when we're ready, the energy appears, the Kaurna Reiki showed up, but it is such a high. Frequency of energy that it continued to evolve. And so people started teaching very different classes and calling them Kaurna Reiki. And some of the students were disappointed because they wanted the original Kaurna. Reiki, not something different. And so the trademark just allows that integrity to exist. I don't know about you, Karen, but when I went to study Kaurna Reiki, I was guided to. I was really, it is one of the steps in becoming a licensed teacher, but this was long before I was thinking of becoming a licensed teacher. I went to study Kaurna Reiki in 2013, and I very specifically remember thinking that the Reiki master level, Had just healed so many things for me and brought so much beauty into my life. I, I really, I remember specifically, I was on my way down to the class and getting in my car. I was, I drove 12 hours to go take the class from William Rand in 2013 in Glen's Falls, New York. And I remember having this specific thought, life doesn't get any better than. Because once I had my masters, my horses became attuned. We were all doing Reiki all the time. I began teaching Reiki, even though that wasn't the reason that I began teaching Reiki my financial issues sorted out because so many people wanted the classes and I really looked around and said, life doesn't get any better. But I was used to following my guidance or my calling, and my calling was to go and study Kaurna Reiki. And then life did get a whole lot better and I like better than I thought was ever possible and I went, oh, okay. What was your experience in with Kaurna? Reiki? Yeah, no, looking back as you were talking, I thought, oh my gosh, I just had this epiphany. I thought, why did I take Kaurna Reiki at the time I did. And now I think I understand my mother had just been diagnosed with cancer. And I think to me this energy is very mothering and very, Loving and very feminine nurturing, isn't it? It's very nurturing. Compassionate action. And it just dawned on me that, oh, that's why, because I didn't do my master until 2013, but I didn't take Caron until 2016. Okay. And that is, it came in then because I needed it. I needed these symbols and this energy to sustain me through. Being a caregiver for my mother and the transition that was coming in 2017, and I didn't know that at the time, so thank you for that epiphany, But that makes perfect sense. Okay. That's why I waited, I guess I wasn't ready. Yeah. And when it, when I needed this deeper support or from these higher frequencies, these very nurturing and compassionate action, duh. I don't know how, I didn't see this before. What is a caregiver for somebody who has cancer? You have to come from a place of compassionate action, and my mother didn't die until 2017. But yeah, I, this Kaurna came, I don't never put those things together yet, but yeah, that's exactly what happened. So you may feel called to this Kaurna if you're listening to this podcast and you're thinking, huh, what is that Kaurna? It's, for me, I guess it's a very nurturing energy that helps you fill up so that you can go and bring more compassion to the world. What do you love most about it, Karen, while you're, while you're on that line. I, I love all the different symbols. So at first when I took Karina and when I got the book, it's eight more symbols, and I was like, holy moly, that's, that's a lot. And it was overwhelming, but you know what, that's what I love about it the most, is, holy fire, for example. It feels like this glowing golden light or this beautiful mist sort of a feeling. And each one of these symbols, and I don't know if you guys could feel it as we were channeling each one individually at the beginning. I'm so glad you were guided to do that, Pam. But each one of those to me is like a beautiful, colorful thread. Like the. The sessions become almost like weaving a tapestry of healing, and you get like you're the loom and you're channeling. This energy to the client, but then it's ah, needs a little bit of this comes in. And then a little bit of that comes in. And the other thing I love about Karina is we learned to chant and tone, which I could talk about forever. Maybe we'll do that in a minute. But from time. And that, at first I felt weird about it. Yeah. None of nobody ever wants to chanter tone. And my students like we do practice sessions, like when I taught in person, I'd come around and they'd. Come on. Can't hear you. And that's one thing I like about the online Karina is I have them just turn off their sound for Zoom. It's now just let it, let that sound come through. Activate Zno now I want you just to go like Z. Just feel it. That vibration of. Energy through your body and I let'em like mute themselves because it, here's the cool thing though, when you do it as a group over Zoom, it comes in like in waves. Yeah. And it's just this amazing thing. But when I do sessions either in person or I just do distance sessions now on the phone, the clients will say, if I chant and I'm just going with whatever comes through, I'm chanting. Yeah. And it's weird. It's like making like these different. A colorful tapestry. I don't know how else to explain it. It's like a thread of this comes in a thread of that and is so specific to what the client needs. And I'm just of guided to what comes through. And I feel like I'm just like, like in, it really does feel like a, like I'm the loom and those are like the threads of light coming in and you're just a light weaver in a, in a. I love it. And the clients say, I could feel when you were chanting, I was like, and I'll say do you mind if I make some sacred sounds? Because you don't want'em to startle'em off the table. Ah. But they'll say that I felt that in my bones. Like I could feel when p when you said with Rama this may cause some things to drop away, and when you're, as a current practitioner chanting the energy through, the sound waves of your voice, so it's not just coming through the light waves of your hands, it's coming through the sound waves of your voice, and it just, whew. Yeah. It's transformative. I love Kaurna Reiki. I do too. And that was a long answer. It's one of my favorite classes to teach. Whenever I teach Kaurna Reiki, it just, it's so uplifting for the students, for me, for. Everybody involved, but I think the thing that I love about it the most is the additional healing frequencies. And I noticed that there were certain things that, things like sexual abuse and child abuse and things like that, that with Usui Reiki, even at the master level, I was working and working with some wonderful people trying to heal and help them heal some of these issues and. The progress was very slow if it was there at all, and then Kaurna Reiki came in and just pow it, it was so powerful. I had one client explain, when I first came back I contacted all the people I had taught at the master level and said, Hey, I've got this new frequency and I need to learn more about it. Would you like a free session? And they traveled from all over to come for their sessions and shared with me, what they experienced. And I remember one client saying it felt like she could feel things popping off of her body like popcorn. From that first symbol. And I won't say the name, but From that first symbol. And so it just, it was amazing. But the other thing that I noticed was my own life. I thought things had gotten really beautiful and really effortless when I became a Reiki master, but Kaurna, Reiki took that to another level. I can remember thinking, wow, I didn't realize life could get. As effortless and as beautiful as this as it did with Kaurna Reiki. So I love Karina. Yeah, it does. It goes deep. So yes, some of the symbols w help you work on the shadow cell. yeah, a lot of. It was the Kaurna, because I didn't have Holy fire helped a lot with the remnants stuff, it just, yes, you heal in layers. We've probably said this a million times on this podcast, but but it was the Kaurna Reiki that first went deep into the childhood, sexual abuse and sexual assault and this list of things, to start releasing that. And then yeah, it takes you, it helps. Makes it easier. Yeah, I, and I've talked with Karen Harrison. She says, she works with the Holy Fire a lot. She's a a family therapist and the counselor, and she said Reiki can do so much. It goes so deep, so fast, and it's so much faster than, six months of talk therapy. That's what she's mentioned that on my podcast too, that, yeah, she's found that it can really, and they're, I find they're beautiful to use together. But yeah, she has mentioned that it just goes so deep and is so effective. And one of the symbols with Kaurna Reiki, is a spiritual anesthetic. And so what I love about that is not only does it go incredibly deep and loosen up things that might even be ingrained at the cellular level, but it also Can where was I going with that, Karen? I just lost my tongue. Uh, That it's oh, the spiritual anesthetic. You don't necess have to feel it all that you don't have to feel it. So you can release really painful, difficult things without necessarily feeling it. And one of the lovely things about a session with this, is, you don't even have to tell us what you're working on. you can just, we can just know that you're working on something personal for you, something deeply personal, and you don't have to talk about it. And we can still use these symbols to effortlessly help you release that. And I love that. I love that my clients can feel. you know that they don't have to share some of the things that are deeply traumatic for them, and they don't, also don't have to experience them again. You don't have to pull it up and look at it again and feel all that blah. Yeah. And sometimes you feel little but not a, and a lot of times people cry and sometimes they'll say, I don't even know why I'm crying. And I'll say, you're just releasing old stuff. Just let it. And you don't have to tell me what it is. You don't even have to know what it is you exactly. Just be when you're willing to let it go, when and maybe it's your higher self that's, that's okay, it's time to let this go. You've learned this lesson, you've whatever, and it's time and you just let it go. And it frequently is accompanied by crying or Yeah. Sometimes, but yeah, I love that about Karen. One of the things I noticed with Karina is that my self sessions got a lot more subtle and. So much so that I wasn't even always sure there was something happening. And so one of the things that I did was I asked the energy, Hey, can you give me a sign or some way to know that energies are releasing? Because it did, it got more powerful. I think I could tell for my clients, but for my self sessions, I wasn't sure, and so little tears just leak outta my eyes. That's how I know. That things are moving and do I need to know what they are? I absolutely don't. There's even a symbol that helps us move into past lives and, release things that we may not be aware of that might still be encoded in our D n a Yeah. Or be still impacting us. So ancestral trauma, when you said that, so when Pam said earlier. things that are coded in your, at a cellular level, that it can release things at a cellular level. What she's talking about really is the epigenetics, the, which psychologists are looking at it saying, oh, this is like ancestral trauma that's it's flipped epigenetic markers on or off. And so it's healing that stuff. Yeah. You know that passes down. Yeah, go ahead. Sorry. Sorry, Kira. No. I just, I'm fascinated by this has been my obsession of late but really the, I think the Kaurna Reiki started with that, that we're, that there's different kinds of ancestral trauma sometimes. There was a study that they did during the a famine in a Holland, the Dutch famine, and it was people, generations later that had an obesity. The obesity gene flipped on because of this famine. I mean there's that kind of science, so it can heal those sorts of things. But then also just emotional things we would talk about ancestral trauma could be so in the United States, I'm in the United States, it could be the African American population, you know that trauma that their ancestors experience are our Native American wellers too in Canada? Yeah. Native American populations. I'm about to move to Ecuador. They have like Spanish colonialism. It's, we all have ancestral trauma. Yeah. You know that kind of stuff as, and that changes our cellular makeup. That trauma affects it. And then it's passed down through the generations, so it releases that kind of. Flips those markers back off or back on be right. chairs better. So I find that fascinating. I, yeah. You're a scientist, so Yeah, of course I do. But I, and I wish I could understand it with my mind, but but it's beyond. When you were talking earlier about even like Karina, like calling this Kaurna Reiki or calling it this, we're trying to put a name on an energy that is boundless, and it's difficult to speaking to talk about sometimes. Yeah. And speaking of Boundless, I was speaking with Colleen Benelli and she said that she received a message with William at one point. The cab has been lifted from what is possible with Kaurna Reiki, and so that essentially tells us that this. Frequency of energy means nothing is impossible. Everything is possible. And as a matter of fact, one of the things, and I'll put a link to this article in our podcast notes, one of the things we noticed. Through Kaurna Reiki is that during sessions, several L RMTs, licensed Reiki master teachers with the I C R T began to notice that new energies were coming into our sessions, very specific energies, and we realized these were the lights and the lights. Something that Kaurna Reiki brought in and made possible for us. And I know in my own session I was working with someone and the light of self-love came in and it showed that, many people disconnected with self-love around 10 or 12 years old, just from social conditioning and some of the cultural messages. That we receive that, your body should look like this. Your nose should look like that, and your hair should be this color and that style and so on. And around the same time I remember I said, but it looked very different from any of the frequencies I'd seen before. And at the same time, Colleen. Benelli noticed the light of beauty was coming into her sessions. Karen Harrison noticed the light of forgiveness was coming into her sessions. And I think Kathy Menosky had I forget what one, maybe compassion, or maybe that was Jill Teal. And so several and Jay Jackson had the light of truth come in. And so we noticed that basically for every energy. That we need. You can have the light of one time I had the light of career attainment come in for somebody and. for every condition that you need to create, there is a light available. And it's been just the heightened frequencies of Kaurna Reiki that have made this possible. And I wanna just talk for a minute about when I say heightened frequencies, and it doesn't mean that. There is any one type of Reiki that's better than another. What it means is they build on each other. So you know, you sui Reiki at the level one and two, it builds so that you can go to the master level. After you're at the master level for a while and that relationship is developed, you can add Kaurna. And that builds, and there's a synergy when these energies come together. And the same when we add animal Reiki that builds. And so it's just broadening the spectrum of what we can access and what's available. And for me personally, I just really. At that point I was a professional Reiki master. I was seeing clients, and even if I hadn't been, I wouldn't, I would've gone to study Kaurna Reiki, but because I was called to it, but. I just thought, I wanna have everything possible in my toolkit, to work with my friends and family and clients with Reiki, and that was a big, what was the reason I know you realize now that it had to do with your mom, but was there a specific reason that you went to study Kaurna? When. Aside from that? Or was that I just follow my nudges. So like, why are you moving to Ecuador? I don't know, because my gods told me to But no, not a specific reason. More I, except that I think I was ready. I was ready for more. And maybe that's why some people are like, they just they're just hungry for it. They've been maybe on the journey longer than I was. I didn't start my Reiki journey till I was 49. but, and I needed, and I had to heal a little bit, it's like some of the heavy stuff had to drop off before I went. Okay. I guess it's coming out of a chrysalis. You have to shake off this much before you go. Your wings come out and you go, okay, I'm ready for to expand my wings a little more now. And that's how it felt. And I don't, I think, as you were talking about the, it's not a higher, like a better frequency or anything, but it's I'm fascinated by cymatics. I mentioned to you earlier, Pam, that the science of. and you probably guys, if you've seen, maybe go on YouTube and just type in C Y M A T I C s, cymatics is this science of sound. And when you probably will see like some metal plates and they put sand on it and then they attach that to a speaker, and then they play, they change the frequency, so they'll go woo. And it, it creates sacred geometry and the lower frequencies create less complex pattern. and as the frequency, as they turn it up and then the frequency goes higher, the geometric patterns get more complex. I think it doesn't mean that the lower frequencies aren't as good as the higher frequencies. They're just not as complex. And I think that Kaurna, Reiki master, as we're going through this, I think it we're just turning up the frequency and so you get when that, I'm a very visual learner. When it's a high frequency, you have a lot of different lines in those geometric patterns. Just like you get more symbols in the carina, just like these other lights start coming in. That's what I was thinking. These other lights, the frequency is as you are vibrating higher because you, you are the channel of this energy and so yeah, you are channeling like higher frequency. And when you can maintain like this, like All right, gimme some more, you can go a. hold more, a higher frequency. And then I think that's when the, you start getting more lines. Yeah. Am I making any sense? You are, to me. I really like that visual actually, Karen, but I think maybe that's what the lights are. Maybe that's why you've got these other symbols that came in with the Kaurna like eight because it, like I said at the beginning, it's like I hate symbols, but they're really easy to learn and they're very Yeah, it is, aren't they? And they're really specific. So you can really tailor. your healing. You can find, okay, I'm gonna go back to the tuning thing. You can fine tune your healing session. Yeah. It's not just holy or the other names, it's not just like the suey master symbol or it's not just this one. And you do, you have the power symbol, the mental, emotional, the distance symbol. I You have all these other frequencies there. Now you're holding those frequencies. It's more, gimme more. So here's some eight more. And then when you work with those for a while, maybe that's why the lights are coming in, Pam, I think so you're already holding this many and then higher. It's always there. You're just, it's up here and we're down on this lower frequency and you have to rise up to it and then you, maybe that's what William meant, the Heki, the cap's. The caps off and I think what that means is anything is possible. Before my husband studied Kaurna Reiki with me, he was confused. And I get this question a lot. I wonder if you do too, Karen. He said, I'm already a Reiki master. Why would I take Kauna? And this was the beginning of Covid. We were just teaching, it was my first online class, my first solo online class, I had just become licensed. Or maybe even, it was, I think it might have been my last class I needed to teach to become licensed at the Kaurna Reiki master level. And I said, you don't have to, but some people are guided to. And he said I'm gonna be home anyway cuz we were all, maybe I might as well take it. And you know what's really funny is it's his favorite. He identifies with it. He says he even identifies with it more than he identifies with yasui. And we'll talk about chanting and toning next because he said if you had told me a couple of months ago, or a couple a year ago that I would be blocking through the woods chanting and toning symbols. To trees I and the forest. I would've said You were crazy. There was no way that was gonna happen. But we do that almost every day. We love using our voice with the symbols, and that's one of the techniques, chanting and toning that we learn with Kaurna Reiki. And I know you love to talk about that, so I'm gonna pass that over to you, I do. If anybody's watched me on your podcast, I like to talk, I like to make sounds. but some people don't. And when I was a child, nobody believes this, but I was terribly shy. I had no self-esteem. I was very shy too. Yeah, just I had long hair that I could sit on and if I looked down, it would just completely cover my face and like I didn't exist and don't look at me, but. So I have students like that sometimes they're like, I don't wanna make sounds. I'm an introvert, I don't wanna make sounds. When I first learned this, I said, I'm not using that technique. No way. People are gonna think I'm crazy. I use that technique in every session now, every I do too. And it's usually their favorite part. Because it really, we are in a physical body and, we're healing things that are sometimes out here in the mental emotional, sp out in the energetic body, but, Sound, sound, it penetrates like all the energy bodies and then you feel it even in your physical body, the sa So there's that aspect when I am chanting. Okay, so first of all, chanting is usually faster. I chant a lot of times I'm imbuing the energy field with the energy of those particular symbols. And it's. So I chant out loud. So Pam, you're not saying the names of the symbols? No, but okay. Okay. I could say holy fire probably, right? Yeah. So I could say so if I chanted holy fire, it would just be my different I the rhythm of it and everything, maybe I'm giving it in a session and I'm feeling, holy fire. Maybe I'm. Holy fire. Holy fire. Holy fire. Holy fire. Holy fire. Maybe I'm feeling like that that it's coming through, but that's changing. You feel a great big holy fire. Uhhuh. Yeah. And some people think like it's Oh, I can't sing. It's that's all right. In fact, sometimes, and I can carry a tune, but sometimes I'm chanting and it comes out holy fire. It'll just go and I'm like, what was that? But it goes to the something that people need. It goes, so it's not about being pretty or anything like that. It's just, and it is part of It's about being effective. It's about being effective, right? So you're not performing like, nobody cares about that. You're just you're, you are, you're giving another dimension. This energy, to me is very interdimensional also, when I am making sound letting that energy come through and manifest through sound waves, it takes on a whole other, seriously, a dimens. to the healing frequently. I feel like I'm in some sort of a sound healing temple. Wow. I had, I don't think I've said that out loud anywhere, I feel like I'm not in the room anymore. I don't know how to explain it. I f I feel more interdimensional and it has something to do with it. That shift that happens, like their body, my body, the energy. It's just. Oh, I guess I just become, that must be what quantum, what it feels like to be quantum Yeah, oh, I'm just vibrating. Everything is vibrating. I become distinctly aware that everything is a vibration when I'm chanting, or Tony, and maybe that's why chanting is part of so many religious traditions. Even Christianity had the Gregorian chance or Yeah. Chanting and Buddhism, Hinduism, the hymns, even the hymns and the songs. The hymns and psalms. Yeah. Yeah. So there's something to the, to that, and I encourage my students to like, just let a rip, just do it. Let that sound come through you. You are not performing. You are letting. the energy come through you and manifest as that sound. And then toning. So chanting will put it more in the room evenly. Like in the energy room, in the room around the client. Yeah. Yeah. And then toning. I'll use when it's really good to Ooh, it's like a laser beam. It will just like woo and just vibrate. In two pieces and with toning we're specific. Like we place it, if there's a specific image we're aware of on our client's body or in their aura we direct it to that and yeah. Yeah. And it's just we know how powerful sound is. Yeah. God loves the American military has weaponized it. We know how powerful it is. Okay. You. No, it is, it's, I don't know if you know that, you know the American military? No. Yeah. They take like big, horrible, like hard rock music and it's just really loud and just blast it. Cause it drives people nuts. Yeah. It would drive me nuts. I like quiet. Yeah. Or people can go, oh, particular note, break glass. And we know the sound can levitate things. We're beginning to really. the power of sound. And so that, that's one thing I love about the Kaurna class is, it's only three days and we only get, maybe a good day of practicing with the chanting. Yeah. But from, for many students, they haven't heard of cymatics, they haven't even considered it, they haven't thought about it. Gives another dimension. There's that word again, to healing like, huh. And I think that's what taking a Kaurna class is about. You're a Reiki master and maybe that's great. but then you work with the energy, oh, I froze again. you work with the energy a little bit and then you think, I think there's more. I'm ready for more. And that more is Karina, because that's gonna go, ah, I can do even more with this. I agree. And let's talk about who, if Kaurna Reiki can be learned by anyone. Do you need prior Reiki experience? So yes, you do have to have a masterclass, a sui masterclass before taking kauna. But you can take Kaurna Reiki from any lineage, and some people find that's an expedient way to get holy. And so some people will come to my Kaurna Reiki class from another lineage and say they'd like to learn holy fire, and they might as well learn kauna at the same time. It is a big shift, but it does seem to work really well for people. And of course, if you're already a holy fire, Yesi Holy Fire Reiki master for at least six months. You can then move on and that's, you do need to be at the teacher level though, the master teacher level with Yasui from any lineage. And then you can move on to Kauna. Do you have anything else to add there, Karen? No, that's and I tell, oh, in fact, My favorite students from the uk, he was drawn to Kauna and he was drawn to holy fire at the same time. And of course, I'm always all about saving money, so I'm like you could take Holy Fire, Kauna, and you would be attuned to both and you can then teach. And you can teach all of your classes is fully fire. And I, I used to think that too, and I, but I've noticed that some of my teacher or my students say, yeah, I think I'm ready for that accelerated learning. And others say, no, I think I'd like to take it slower. He did. So that's, that was my recommendation. I said, you could do this, because he had been a Reiki master teacher for 20 years. And I said, I think you would be fine doing this. But you know what he said? No. Oh, this is my terrible British accent. No. See, cause I'm going to teach Holy Fire, so I'm gonna go back. I'm gonna take the Holy Fire Master Fest. A lot of people that do take Kauna, they wind up going back and taking, that's what he did master anyway. Yeah. So usually I'll say look, go ahead and take the master Holy Fire Master, and then the Kaurna, and we talk a little about the Holy fire again in the Kaurna Master, just because they could be coming from other lineages. And so for students who have had Holy Fire Master already, it gives them, I frequently talk about that spiral of learning. You've already learned this, but now you're going through it again from a higher perspective and you go, oh yeah, I hadn't, I didn't catch that first time around. Or, you have a different perspective on it. It's a really nice review, isn't it? Yeah. What do you think some of the benefits are of being a Holy Fire Kaurna Reiki practitioner? you can offer your clients faster, deeper healing. Yeah. That's all I can say. Faster, deeper, healing yourself, because it's very specific. Yeah. You're now carrying eight more frequencies around in your energy field that you can channel into your session. Yeah. As needed, depending on the client. and it shifts your awareness. I think it made me more effective also. But Pam said, you don't have to be aware of everything that the client's going through. It made me more effective because I just, I'm more sensitive to energy and I think the more energy you're attuned to the more sensitive you are. and I found that it just like I, I'm gonna mention again, it brought an effortlessness into my life. So there was a lot of personal healing that happened with Karina that I don't even think I was aware I needed. And it just it just, Really helped with my spiritual growth. Like really helped with my spiritual growth. Yeah. Would you say the same thing, Karen? Yeah, me too. I'm gonna go back to that. That butterfly and the chrysalis sort of thing. It, the master breaks you outta that chrysalis, but that Kuna really helps you spread your wings out and dry'em so you can fly. I like that. I really like that analogy. Karen, I don't know, is there anything else that we need to let people know about Kauna? I, we could mention She is one of the ascended masters who is sometimes associated with Kaurna Reiki. If you already have Kaurna Reiki, there's a wonderful exercise that Lorrell Shanti Gaia suggests in her book on Kaurna Reiki, which is to just Spend a week with each symbol and get to know it better. I really love that exercise and I encourage a lot of my students to do it. And the other thing maybe that I would mention is how lovely the classes are. My husband would always come home and after teaching level one or two or masters there. They're wonderful days, but you could be a little tired by the end of the day and after teaching Kaurna Reiki I'm just usually, buoyant and energized, and he says, he noticed it. He remarked on it and he said, I think it's because you're teaching experts. But I noticed that the students are that way too. Like the students really bond with each other and they seem to connect at a much higher level. Again. And so are there any things like that, that you notice about it? Yeah, I think especially, yeah, the bonding that takes place between the students in the classes. I think. Maybe it's almost like a meetup. I dunno. I wonder sometimes I've had this thought in particular classes did we just all agree before we came into this life? Okay, we're gonna meet up at this Kaurna where Karina class? Yeah. What date? Yeah. What date? Yeah. Yeah. The people get along. The healing is so beautiful and effortless. It's, yeah, it's just an incredible class to teach, isn't it? And I in a couple of classes and I, it's usually the Kaurna and this sounds weird to talk about, but I won't go ahead anyway. Cuz this is, come to Pam's podcast to talk about weird things. We were this one specific Kaurna class. There were so many, or. That were flying. And it wasn't just here, but it was distracting, cause I'd be talking about something and this little ball of light would go, ping and the stairs would go, oh, there went another one. And then sometimes I'd see'em around them too. I don't, I still don't know exactly. what that was. But it, but I haven't noted, cuz that's the, probably the academician in me. I'm like isn't that interesting that happens during this time and the other time? But it seems like it happens more in Kaurna class. I don't know what that is exactly. This, there is something, there's an elevation that really occurs with coronary. It's more inter, I just wanna say it's more interdimensional. There's something interdimensional about. Yeah, it's a lovely energy. So if you've been giving it any thought hopefully this podcast just might illuminate you clear up some things about it so that you can really consider whether or not it is for you. But I know we both have some Kaurna classes coming up. Karen yours is up to, and we have both have a. We both have a complimentary session. I think, questions. If you hear this podcast and you have questions about a Karina class, you can schedule a complimentary session to chat with us about. A A quick Tell me this about Kuna, do you think it would help with that? What do you think this is? And Yes. Yeah, absolutely. Or posting the comments, if this is on YouTube or, definitely, yeah. And so Karen, I don't know. I didn't actually have anything prepared to, for a meditation, I think that we did it to at the beginning. I thought that was, yeah, I thought that was really interesting. So hopefully you all could feel that Karina energy that we were sending through the invocation. Because even chanting and toning silently actually yeah, you'll feel it just as powerfully as with, a loud voice. Let's just end with just you and I, just without saying the symbols names, let's just chant and tone for another few minutes so that the listeners can go out with a nice, beautiful burst of Kaurna, Reiki and Maybe they can just give some thought as to whether this is for them. I know one of the things that I've done for my masterclass is I provide four monthly payments so that it makes it a little easier, but I will mention that. When you are supposed to do a class, as soon as you decide to do it, the finances, the teacher, the timing, it usually all lines up. Yep. Go ahead and give that some thought if you feel Karina is something you'd like to add to your toolkit and if it's right for you. So let's just bring our hands in Gassho again, and Karen and I are just gonna silently chant and tone the symbols to you. And we'd just like to take a moment to thank you for joining us here today, and we hope you have enjoyed this burst of Kaurna Reiki energy. that we shared. If you'd like to learn more, by all means reach out. Thank you. Thank you for having me, Pam. Thank you for being here, Karen. I.