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My"},{"speaker":"Michele Baci","startTime":26.57,"endTime":30.65,"body":"name is Michele Baci. I am your"},{"speaker":"Michele Baci","startTime":26.57,"endTime":30.65,"body":"host. And I want to thank you so"},{"speaker":"Michele Baci","startTime":30.65,"endTime":33.8,"body":"much for being here and"},{"speaker":"Michele Baci","startTime":30.65,"endTime":33.8,"body":"listening. 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And I want to"},{"speaker":"Michele Baci","startTime":101.81,"endTime":105.26,"body":"say thank you to my friend"},{"speaker":"Michele Baci","startTime":105.26,"endTime":108.5,"body":"Kelly, who was on the first"},{"speaker":"Michele Baci","startTime":105.26,"endTime":108.5,"body":"episode of Therapy Roulette,"},{"speaker":"Michele Baci","startTime":108.5,"endTime":111.11,"body":"couldn't have done it without a"},{"speaker":"Michele Baci","startTime":108.5,"endTime":111.11,"body":"willing guests. I want to say"},{"speaker":"Michele Baci","startTime":111.11,"endTime":115.58,"body":"thank you to Joseph who has put"},{"speaker":"Michele Baci","startTime":111.11,"endTime":115.58,"body":"up with all of my technical"},{"speaker":"Michele Baci","startTime":115.61,"endTime":120.41,"body":"questions and production"},{"speaker":"Michele Baci","startTime":115.61,"endTime":120.41,"body":"assistance. He's been great. 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