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Crash Out Culture: How Gang Mentalities Are Destroying Our Youth
The devastating reality of youth violence takes center stage as we examine recent cases of teens involved in fatal shootings. A 14-year-old boy engaged in a shootout with Newark police resulting in an officer's death, while a 16-year-old in North Carolina faces adult prison for murder under the state's "Raise the Age" law. These troubling incidents reveal a dangerous shift in youth behavior that demands our attention.
"Crashing out" has become normalized among young people who disregard consequences or innocent bystanders. Unlike previous generations where conflicts had unspoken rules—no shooting where children play, respecting elders—today's youth violence happens anywhere, anytime, with no moral boundaries. We explore how this evolution reflects a broader societal failure.
Brothers and sisters, Welcome to the Only One Mic Podcast. Paul Jerrod, Brooklyn Dre Just Me is back in the building, J-Rob is off. How y'all doing? Hello, hello, hello.
Speaker 3:Didja be back yeah.
Speaker 2:All right, so listen y'all. Good to have the band back together.
Speaker 3:I know Jay is not here tonight, so you know Y'all can never kick me out the group. I'm in the group. Y'all ain't nothing without David Ruffin Crazy.
Speaker 2:But no, it is good to have you back on. You know we haven't really put out any like brand brand new shows since our last interview and you know everybody's schedule was a little wonky at the time or whatever, but right now we're trying to get it back together.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:So, in the absence of doing the show, I know we missed a lot of different stories or whatever, but one thing that's always going to constantly be a constant, it seems like, is these doggone kids man yeah they mine out here in these streets and so, um, if you like, watch the news.
Speaker 2:You know, you heard about, you know, the 14 year old boy you know shot it out with the cops. He ended up getting shot. Then you have the other little boy from North Carolina who killed his friend oh, I don't want to say friend, because I don't know if they were friends or not, apparently you know. But anyway, he ended up murdering another boy, 16 years old, years old, and now he's being charged as an adult in the what they call the right to age act or something. Raise the age law, what they have in North Carolina.
Speaker 2:So now he's going to adult prison. We all saw the video of him crying and everything like that.
Speaker 3:So can we comment on that one first?
Speaker 4:and then the other one.
Speaker 2:They don't play that down, no they're not playing that down and apparently I mean, if this is a, if this is a north carolina thing, I mean, who's to say with the current administration in the building if this is not going to be across the board eventually?
Speaker 2:right so just to give you a little background, right? Uh, the 16 year old's name was is sean simpson of north carolina and he was charged with first-degree murder as an adult for killing 16-year-old Zequavius Dawkins I hope I'm saying that, right, zequavius Dawkins. Now the video of Simpson. Like I said, we all saw him breaking down in tears and calling for his mother after the judge read the charges and gave him the sentencing. So, um, this particular incident occurred on january 26 when dawkins, who was walking to the store to buy his buy items for his disabled grandmother I'm sorry, disabled mother, part begging your partner, disabled mother was allegedly shot by simpson from inside a black tesla. So apparently he was in the back of the tesla or whatever and you know, just shot the kid. Apparently, you know, dawkins and simpson had some disputes in the past exactly, and this is what happened.
Speaker 2:As a result of that, and now, with the raise, the age law that they have in north carolina it allows 16 and 17 year olds to be tried as adults for certain felonies, including murder yeah, well in contrast to that, you have the 14 year old boy who, uh, was arrested for allegedly and I say allegedly because he's still alive and hasn't been charged or anything allegedly killing a cop out in newark, new jersey.
Speaker 2:Uh, the detective name was joseph, and I hope I'm pronouncing this right as kona, and the shooting took place on Friday, on Friday evening I guess that was like last week Friday, I don't have the date on hand Near a busy intersection in the North Ward of Newark, new Jersey, detective Escona and another officer had approached a group of people believing they were carrying legal guns and they just started dumping on the police officers. Now, one of the people that was dumping was this alleged 14 year old boy. Detective is kona was struck and died hours later at the hospital and another officer that was with him was injured. So the 14 year old boy was injured also and now he's being charged with a murder, attempted murder and possessing illegal weapons and, you know, really touched the community and all, and at the time, uh, mayor barack of newark acknowledged that the gun violence, especially among teenagers, is an urgent issue that needs to be addressed collectively now according to the so-called crime statistics and you know, amongst juven they claim it was on a decline since like 2000 and 24.
Speaker 2:They said the highest numbers was back in the 90s. I don't personally believe that. Me either. And the reason being is because, you see now, with the influence that a lot of these kids have, you know, in terms of the music and everything like that, the kind of applause and stuff like the drill rap and all the stuff like that, I personally, personally think and anybody that's listening can correct me if I'm wrong I think that those numbers are a little bit fudged, if you ask me. I agree.
Speaker 4:I think the 90s was terrible though.
Speaker 2:Well, the 90s was terrible, but I'm talking about like right now. They claim that juvenile crime is on the decline.
Speaker 4:You know what I think it is in the 90s though I could be wrong, but it might sound silly when I say this. I think that people have more direction in the shooting, or something like that. You know what I mean. I could be wrong by saying that, but it looks like they were actually trying to hit somebody that they had a problem with. It's like these kids are open, open, open fire in a doggone mall. They don't care where it happened at.
Speaker 4:You know what I mean. I'm not saying none of it, none of it's good.
Speaker 2:None of it's good. But when you talk about juvenile violence and I'm glad you brought that up, because if you go on you know X or Twitter or whatever you want to call it, or countless videos you've seen on TikTok the reality is a lot of them videos are showing young people beating up teachers, beating up each other, beating up random people in the street. You know what I mean and I don't understand how they claim that it's on a decline.
Speaker 3:Well, I don't, I don't. I think that. Well, I think a number of things I will say in regards to them saying it's on a decline. I don't agree with that. I'm, you know, I'm here in New York and all the time a teenager is getting shot in the Bronx, which is the closest borough to where I live. I can only imagine what's going on in Brooklyn, because Brooklyn is a much larger borough, but I'm not right there. You know, the media has a way of scaring people that are in, you know, in the, in the neighborhood, so they scare you about your surrounding area, and the Bronx is actually the borough I could walk to the Bronx. That's how close I am to the Bronx, and there's always something going on in the Bronx. And I feel like the reason why they're saying and I know this is a harsh statement that I'm about to make, but I feel as though the reason why they're saying that it's on a decline is because they really don't care about the people who are like migrants that are here, because there there's a lot of shootings going on every single day. Birthday, like, doesn't matter, middle of the night, it doesn't matter it.
Speaker 3:Back in the 90s it seemed like things went down at night, you know what I'm saying. Or when you woke up, you wanted to talk about a good fight that you missed. You know a fist fight, you know. Or if it was a shooter and somebody got shot, you know, a lot of people came out tomorrow and they wasn't shooting at the, the, the, the visuals and all of that. Now they shooting like they, shooting wherever you at out here, there's no regards, there's no, I think. I think we can all agree that back in the day, when, when crime took place, people had a little bit more respect, back in the day, like Andre said, you actually was shooting at the person you was aiming for. You wasn't trying to hit nobody else.
Speaker 4:Not to say, kids didn't get, innocent bystanders didn't get hit back then, they got hit back then too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, of course they did, but it was a. It was a. It was a certain standard that you stood by. You don't shoot old women, you don't shoot little kids. You know if the block is flooded with kids, the fight wasn't going to break out then because people, or somebody's mothers, was on the block. People have more respect Like yo. I'm going to get you later. Now there's no whole bar, everybody's just going crazy.
Speaker 2:And ain't nobody got no aim and ain't nobody got no aim. You have morals and principles in the midst of the foolishness.
Speaker 3:Exactly, and you see more kids.
Speaker 4:And I think it goes both ways too, because when you have these gang members and people involved in street stuff, like you know, you should know better than to drive around with your kid or something like that. You know, knowing that you're in the midst of some foolishness, you know what. I mean Right. You know knowing that you're in the midst of some foolishness. You know what I mean right and uh, just like uh, what they had a rapper a couple of days ago, that ended up getting shot, yeah, and uh, his five-year-old daughter got killed or something like that, yeah, yeah
Speaker 3:where was this I?
Speaker 2:want to say it was in somewhere in texas, if I'm correct.
Speaker 4:I'm not completely sure, I think his name was little ronnie or little ronnie or something like that, I don't know, his music, but they were saying his five-year-old daughter got killed in the crossfire, or whatever the case may be Terrible.
Speaker 4:And I'm saying they don't, like you said, in our generation I think people spared children and spared old people and stuff like that. What a term they use crash out Right, yeah, out right. And then when they say crash out like, I'm starting to think that means it's like wherever you at, no matter what it is, just go ahead and lose it all right there, you know I mean, that's what it sounds.
Speaker 4:I've seen videos of kids open fire in broad daylight. You know I mean no mask on, not to say no shooting is good. You know I mean, but you know I think again, you know also too, the the shootings are. You know people are. You know children of a younger age, 12, 15, you know, between the ages of some, some go as low as 10. Well, I don't want to, I don't mean to cut you up.
Speaker 3:I just want to touch on the young boy uh, I believe you said his name is Aquavius in North Carolina that passed. My concerns with this are, you know, again, we hear what the media feeds us and then that's all we have to go by. But there is a serious issue outside of the gun laws that are in this country and that issue is bullying. If they've had an exchange for quite some time, you know, you don't know if this boy was being bullied or not and unfortunately, you know it's sad.
Speaker 3:You know that we don't have a lot of parents out there like the John Witherspoon and Friday, like Craig, put the gun down, craig put the gun down.
Speaker 3:We don't have a lot of that now because kids, kids had kids and we grew up with our kids and, at the end of the day, we're not being the parents that our parents were, who we looked at as being so much older and even though they were learning as we went along, we weren't growing like up, up with them. You know we, they, we still looked at them as an authoritative figure and and the bullying, the bullying is out of control, you know. Rest in peace to the young 13 year old girl that committed suicide out here in Mount Vernon a couple of weeks ago. I don't know if that was a case of bullying, but I do know that you know it's a lot to handle when you're trying to grow up and grow into yourself and find out who you are and then you have people knocking your. You know something that might be your weakness. You know something that you're self-conscious about and bullying you just being disrespected online.
Speaker 4:You know a lot of exactly you might have did something crazy as a little young girl and put a picture out there or something. And now these little boys and put your your naked picture online you know um you might have got beat up online and you know all kinds of stuff like that. And again, you know you can't accept that. You know I mean it's like yo, I gotta go all the way out.
Speaker 3:You know, I mean, and it's a lot, you're embarrassed and you don't know how to handle your emotions. Like you don't know how to handle your emotions, and that's a lot being a teenager. To begin with, it's an awkward space. I don't know if you remember being a teenager, because I'm much younger than you all and it was a long time ago for the both of you. I'm just joking.
Speaker 2:I'm just joking. My birthday is tomorrow.
Speaker 3:I'm old as dirt, but I'm just saying, like you know, at the end of the day it was an awkward time for it's an awkward time for everybody, because you're not quite an adult yet, but you're not a little kid, Like you know. So sometimes you could be in a room where your voice is heard, and other times you're not even looked at because of the age that you are, and then you go to school and then the kids just treat you like garbage. You know, I remember some of the things I got teached for. I remember some of the jokes that were made about me and I'm I've been out of school for a very long time now, you know but no, it's not not just the bullying too.
Speaker 4:That's, that's the tough part about it, you know. But um, it's also like we always talk about these, the diet that these, these children have. I mean the tv shows. Tv shows you're watching. You watch Power, you watch all the and again we watch Snowfall. We watch all of these shows. I mean I've enjoyed them too. But you know, with the children, you know it's different man, they're entertainment, they're sucking it in. And then the music. You know, the music is like horror music.
Speaker 4:No-transcript using the word ops which is a horrible word because it might have been somebody that just something did light to you, but now he's considered your ops.
Speaker 3:And 95% of the kids don't even know what ops stands for. I don't know what it means.
Speaker 2:You mentioned the 1090Jakes and all of that man. What's the other kid? Adam 22? Adam 22.
Speaker 2:I mean, my goodness, man, like you watch Adam 22. It's like you know what I mean. It's like Gang Sustaining Street up there or something Like you got. It's just like you invite all these to do what they do and he's making more probably, I'm quite sure, more money off it than they will ever probably see. But it's just like the new black exploitation, if you ask me, and I don't see why more people like the NAACP and them don't step up to say these guys aren't here, they're doing X, y and Z. You know, young kids watch this. They're very impressionable man. They're very impressionable man man and ray running and I'm can't process this like an adult, can't so when they're watching this, these are the new heroes, you know. I mean these are the new heroes that they they have.
Speaker 4:That's telling them to crash out and do stuff like that. Not to mention you got real gang members there. Yeah, so a lot of people don't understand. Like you know, like la culture is different from a lot of other cultures. Yeah, you know, I mean Like they're in LA and everybody's touchable. So it's like when you're sitting there watching like it might be two grown men from you know different gang sections. That's having a discussion and it gets rough and they're disrespecting these gangs and cultures, each other's gang or whatever the case may be. But there's children in them, gangs they got to go to school.
Speaker 4:That's going back and forth. All they know is I'm a rolling 60 Crip. You know what I mean. And now, according to the big homie, you know what I mean. This is how they say. You know we got problems with these cats over here. You know what I mean. And they're really doing the shootings. These kids ain't playing around. You know these most of them cats that sit up on these platforms or whatever like that don't live in the neighborhood or they're going to, they're going to go back to their nice house or whatever the case may be, and some of them I look at and I'm like y'all don't even promote this culture to your own children. I seen Jim Jones one time and I'm watching a show with him or something Just happened to be watching it.
Speaker 3:Just be careful what you say about Jimmy. Thank you.
Speaker 4:I don't care about that.
Speaker 3:I love him.
Speaker 4:Here's what I'm saying. It's like you're on the show and you know the way I look at his son. His son looked like a square and that's a good thing. You know the way he's raising his son. His son look like a square, go to school. You know, look like he got a good family life or whatever like that. But when you get on these records and you get on this platform and you promoting gang violence and honestly necessarily promoting gang violence, but gang culture, you know what I mean Then what happens is the kid that's in Harlem don't have the opportunities that your son has.
Speaker 2:In fact, I want you to hear what he said recently on the Breakfast Club, maybe about a week ago or something like that, but it was something along the lines of what you're talking about and when asked about the blood culture in New York. All right, all right, so check this out. End up if you're doing crime. Yeah.
Speaker 1:You heard. It's not a crime to be a blood. It's not a crime to be a family. It's not a crime. It's not a crime to be a fraternity member. It's not a crime to be a sorority member, it's all the same thing. It's a crime if you do crime while being that and that turns into other things, and if it's more than one of y'all doing crime while being.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that doesn't make any sense, man, because he's doing, you know, fraternity. Don't get me wrong. You know, just like any organization you can, you can have a church, have an organization and a bunch of them church members might be in jail. You know what I mean. But it doesn't mean that you know a gang and a fraternity are the same thing, or a gang in the church is the same thing. You know, and I don't like you know the gang or I'm not a big fan of fraternities, masonic or you know any kind of foolish organization.
Speaker 3:Me, find me, baby Me find me. And I went to a black college, hbcu, right here. Don't stay Me find me.
Speaker 4:But I'm just saying I'm not a big fan. The only thing I could join is a church. But I'm just saying I'm not a big fan. The only thing I can join is the church. But you know, that's all I'm into.
Speaker 3:I don't think he was saying that, though, andre. I think what he was saying was just because you're a part of something, it doesn't mean that you're necessarily doing something illegal If you're a part of a gang and you're repping a gang it doesn't mean that you're out there doing something illegal.
Speaker 2:He said I'm a businessman illegal. He said I'm a businessman. I'm just going by what he said, what he does right. What he's saying is he's a businessman, right, what he's saying is.
Speaker 3:What he's saying is it makes him and when you do something, you know just because you're okay. So that's like me saying, all right, I'm a part of us, like, whatever our fraternity is, the three of us right, we all, we could be doing things for the community. You could be a businessman, you could be doing something else until one of us right, we could be doing things for the community. You could be a businessman, you could be doing something else Until one of us do something illegal. Everybody shouldn't be labeled as a gangbanger.
Speaker 4:That's what I thought somebody was saying it sounds nice, but his problem is that there's a gang task force in New York, just like the same thing that they got caught up in in his gang, whereas I'm quite sure that 99.9% of them cats. That's in that organization that he claims and he reps that got locked up on that charge, probably never even sold a cookie in the park, probably never made a dime off the organization, but because of the RICO laws and things like that, they're all going to jail. He was the only person able to escape that situation. Why, who knows, but everybody else went to jail except him. So you can't compare fraternities and what's wonderful organization. It's what it started, as you know.
Speaker 3:I mean, it's what the history of it starts, as you can't make that into something you can't turn, you know you can't necessarily say that, because then if we look let's look at our Black Panthers, okay, um, and I say that because I believe in my former life I probably would have been right there along with all the Black Panthers you know what I'm saying. But the thing is they started off something good, yeah, but that know what?
Speaker 4:I'm saying but the thing is, they started off something good. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. The blood organization is not something that started off good. Now what they try to do is they try to give it some sort of sweet start with the Crips and all the other stuff like that and they swing it back into it. But we know the history of that. So the Black Panthers and the history of the Black Panthers was something that started as a social movement to help Black people.
Speaker 4:So even if Huey, newton and them is all wrong, even if they do corruptible things, if somebody comes along right now and righteously want to take the name of the Black Panthers and do something right, then you can do that. But you can't take the history of the blood and the Crips and make it into something wonderful, man. It doesn't happen. Man, I don't care what you do in life. When you have a corruptible, when you start something corrupt, you can't now turn around and say it's a nice thing. You know what I mean. It's just not the way it works in life, man. You know what I mean. It doesn't come, you can't get what they say in the scripture you can't get sweet.
Speaker 4:And what is it? Sweet and better water from the same fountain.
Speaker 3:You can't do it I'm not saying I wouldn't. I wouldn't necessarily say that you can't change, because you definitely can change, and I don't think that that again, I don't think that's the point he was trying to make. I think he was just trying to say, like, at the end of the day, okay, I'm in this right here, but that doesn't mean I'm doing everything that we've been labeled to do.
Speaker 4:But you can't make that sweet and fair seeming, because here's the problem with that. Like how you're saying it, a child is listening to that, like that.
Speaker 3:No, that's what he's saying. I'm just telling you what he said.
Speaker 4:No, I understand All right. So bottom line is how you're trying to make that argument or say what he's saying, or present what he's saying to me. I understand it, but the problem is a child looks at that and says there's a child on 125th Street right now. That's looking at that clip, you say, yeah, jimmy right, yeah, jimmy right. But the problem is is when he joins up with 30 other dudes, he may never do nothing. He might go to work everything and, like you said, he might be a square, never do nothing, but when he puts that tattoo on his arm he becomes a blood. Whatever he wants to be a part of same tattoo as him. Get arrested and indicted. The whole gang is getting indicted. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4:So you to sell that to them kids is is ridiculous, man. It don't make no sense. Man, he's, he's, he's a grown man and he's trying. He's trying to sell something that it doesn't make any sense. Man, he's going to, he's going to, he's this, this. There's children that's going to lose a future. Is his kid running around yelling blood?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, and the thing with that is is that, like you said to your point, a person can change A person, but not people. Like you know, a group of people, everybody's got the same mindset.
Speaker 2:Now, in the sense of what he's saying is, if you listen to this interview later on he spoke about Leo Cohen and Leo I, I guess, was on the breakfast club at one point and he basically I'm just based, you know, putting it on the basics. He said that pretty much he's making money off of this, like his family got to eat, people got to eat or whatever the case is, and when they asked jim jones about it, he basically agreed with it. So these guys are openly fine with selling death and murder to your community because, at the end of the day, their family got to eat. Their family ain't living in Harlem with you. You know what I mean. Things of that nature.
Speaker 2:So the thing that I look at with him is like you could have took this thing and did a little bit something better than just get on here and promote this. If anything, you're not telling anybody how to get out of it. Whack 100 and all of them do the same stuff, you know. I mean it's like you're using it for them. This is cannon fodder. They get money off it because they can promote it. There's no different than snooping all of them and you got serena crip walking on the dog on super bowl and stuff like that at the end oh, you had a problem with that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, actually I do, I'm gonna be honest and I'm glad you said what was your problem with? That my problem with that is that, at the end of the day, you're still promoting some type of gang violence on national television, because she crip walked yeah.
Speaker 4:Here's the problem with that. I'm going to tell you why I say so.
Speaker 2:I'm not cool with the fact that you crip walking on national television.
Speaker 4:Serena Williams is not going to go in LA. She's not going in LA. We know she's born and raised there. Whatever the case may be, I think she's from Compton. But here's the problem is that Serena is going to go off into her nice house. She's not going to be responsible for Crip walking. You know what I mean? There's a little kid that's somewhere in Compton, somewhere that wants to dance and do the same thing she's doing. That's a problem in Compton. You can get your head knocked off in Compton for quick walking. Quick walking in the wrong place.
Speaker 2:Maybe this is just me thinking differently.
Speaker 4:I just think at this point in life, man, you know, if you're 50 years old and you still represent gang culture, there's something wrong with you. This is my personal opinion.
Speaker 3:Well, that's because they're not in a gang and when they join the gang, they're in it for life. So a 50 year old that joined the game because that's the only culture that they know, they have to go through that for the rest of their life. If they true to what they join, you never joined the gang culture. So you, you know, like it's very rare that you find these stories of people who say hey, hey, I was once in a gang, but now I'm out and this is what I'm doing now with my life.
Speaker 2:We interviewed a gentleman that did do that. Yeah, but it's very rare. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:The percentage of people that got out is much less than the percentage of people that bang out until they die. You know what?
Speaker 4:I disagree with that. I'm going to tell you what I believe. I you know what I disagree with that. I'm going to tell you what I believe. I believe it's just like my neighborhood you know where I grew up in Brooklyn different family members and stuff like that. I believe that there's a large portion of dudes that you know grow old and move out of different areas or not subscribe to that. The problem that I have is is that on these platforms is there a lot of old people and I'm not saying it ain't a lot of old people still doing it, but there's old people on these platforms promoting this. You know what I mean and I think they're getting money off of it, you know, and that's the reason why they're promoting it. But the problem is like I grew up in Brooklyn. We didn't have Bloods and Crips growing up, but I know now that there's old people in different neighborhoods and family members that I grow up that's 30 and better that's claiming blood and crip. That was chumps or wasn't even. You know real live dudes in the neighborhood when we was, when we was coming up, but now this is what they claim. It's. It's kind of like stupid, it's hustling backwards. You know what I mean and I was telling, um, I was telling, uh, uh, my brother earlier. I said yo listen, man, man, I remember watching a documentary on the Black Spades and there was one member on the Black Spades that started it and he's telling the story of the Black Spades.
Speaker 4:They started as kids. They were children starting this. So he was saying that they was asked because, you know, the Black Spades claim that they had a big to do with the beginning of hip hop and everything like that. So I think he said he got to like 20 years old or something like that, and he said that you know, we didn't really promote hip hop like that. He said because. He said because we didn't think it was going to be around long and most of us got to be 20 years old and then we got jobs, we stopped gangbanging because they got jobs.
Speaker 4:That's the point.
Speaker 2:You got to get old so what you say about that just?
Speaker 3:uh, I don't know, it's a lot right there. He, you know, andre always gives you a lot, and then that what I wanted to touch on I done forgot because I'm older, my birthday is tomorrow. But uh, you know, like I, I get what. I get what he's saying. I wanted to go back to the um. I wanted to stay on topic. We was talking about the young boy and I did say about the bullying. Like, we don't know the history between those two boys. It's unfortunate that they can enforce a law saying that a 16 year old can be tried as an adult and go to jail. The laws in this country have been around for so long and they haven't been looked over. We just keep following the same laws and everything else has evolved, except for the laws.
Speaker 2:Well, you know once upon a time. Just touch on your point. You do know that that's how it was right back in the day when you talk about. That's what I'm saying, nothing has really changed like you, go back to you know nothing has really changed.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm saying like. This country has evolved in different ways and there are certain laws that have stayed in place. Now, instead of them doing these laws about when you're 16, you should be tried as an adult first of all. I personally believe every case should be tried differently. Um, it shouldn't be just because it's similar to a particular case. We have different parties involved and they should be tried differently. The motives are all different, whatever, even if the outcome is the same. So I think that each case should be tried differently, but what I will say is nobody's looking at the gun laws.
Speaker 3:Nobody, nobody's looking at the gun laws, yeah they won't look at that and that's a big thing, that's a major thing, like we're not looking at the gun laws. They won't, yeah, they won't look at that and that's a big thing, that's a major thing, like we're not looking at the gun laws. You know what I'm saying and the way that we live, the way that we live. Look at how we live and look at our country as a whole. The East Coast right, they don't have. Well, not the East Coast. I'll say Northern East Coast doesn't have gun laws like Southern East Coast and Southern East Coast doesn't have gun laws like Southern East Coast and Southern East Coast doesn't have gun laws like Texas.
Speaker 4:But you know what an NRA member would say to you.
Speaker 3:Let's go guns. That's what they would say.
Speaker 4:Well, they would say, let's go guns. But also they would say that guns that are killing people are not guns that are purchased people, are not guns that are from elite, they're not guns that's purchased out of a store. They're guns that are bought illegally or they're trafficked illegally so so I.
Speaker 3:So how are those guns getting into our community?
Speaker 4:I'll be honest with you. My history of understanding this normally through gun shows and people buying things out of state illegally.
Speaker 3:Getting into urban communities.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you buy guns out of state illegally at gun shows and you normally can go somewhere and buy. This is what I'm telling you. Back in the day, people go to gun shows and they will buy a lot of guns you know what I mean and they will buy them under the table and then they will come back up top and sell them. That's how it normally happens in gun shows, or if you buy it at a gun shop or something like that. That's how it normally happens, I mean so.
Speaker 3:I find it crazy that when I move I'm just going to make this statement I find it crazy that when I moved to Delaware and I moved to Delaware, I believe, in 98, permanently Right I find it crazy that by the time 2006 hit, I moved there in 98. By the time 2006 hit and I bought my house in the city of Wilmington, I find it crazy that it was easier for me to get access to a firearm than it was for me to get a dime bag of weed. There's something wrong with that. It's really something wrong with that.
Speaker 3:It's something wrong with that because and I feel like you know, honestly speaking that's because the government knows that we can't really kill, you can't kill us off. So why have so much of it in our community? But more of what is going to kill us off? These liquor stores. I could walk to the liquor store from the house I bought and then what's crazy is you got five churches in my area, around my block, that I could walk to five churches, but then you got mad liquor stores and I have access to guns, but I couldn't even get a dime bag a week let me ask you a question, and I know the gun laws are important and things of that nature, but do you think of changing the gun law?
Speaker 2:was going to change the fact that this kid shot and killed somebody?
Speaker 3:no, I feel like what is so sad is that bullying is I'm not saying that he was bullied, but I'm I'm saying if he was, it's something that's not really addressed is after the kid dies. Then we say, oh, that's so sad. The kid is gone and you know, no, like the way we're bringing people up. Like why did that boy think to look to a gun instead of beating this dude up? Like beating this dude up, none of these kids out here are beating anybody up Some. Yo, when we got back to school after summer, that was the first thing we talked about. Yo, you remember when so-and-so got knocked out by such-and-such?
Speaker 2:The difference is now is that again no morals and no principles in that regard. You're thinking in terms of just two people shooting a fair one, but that's not happening.
Speaker 4:The problem is that they're desensitized to murder.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean.
Speaker 4:The society? It's not. I remember one time or another to see somebody get shot. You were like, oh, now it's on Facebook, you can watch somebody get their head popped off. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2:Or watch it on Twitter and that X you can watch full blown murder and they do commentary on it like it's a joke.
Speaker 4:So I think that's the problem. The problem is not necessarily and don't get me wrong, I don't think guns should be here either, but the problem is not I don't believe guns, I believe the problem is guns and a whole other host of things that make it a big issue. You know what I mean as far as like what they consume, as far as television, what they consume, as far as, like you know gangs, you know what they consume, as far as you know just the music entertainment, everything, man. So I think all of that plays a part in you know what they consume, as far as you know you know just the music entertainment, everything. So I think all of that plays a part. And you know these kids making bad decisions.
Speaker 2:And again, we're not just saying our people, because this happens across the board. It's just the fact that we as a people are more publicized in regards to the violence and everything like that.
Speaker 3:But again, if you go on any of these platforms that show all types of different videos and things like that, it's not just black folks and you know it's not folks, it's not a lot of white people that start, they're getting busy and things like that it's the same thing like with welfare not to cut you off, but remember how for so long it was such a stigma and such a thing where all these black people are on welfare and if you check, there's more people non-people of color than people of color on welfare yeah, and I mean, and I'll be honest with you guys, I know we can go deeper into this thing, but time you know yes permits that we have to kind of stop right now.
Speaker 2:But, um, I just want to leave you with this. We are the only culture that's on adam 22s and the j1090s and all of that, that's promoting our gang violence and things of that nature.
Speaker 3:Well, the gang violence wake up, people wake up.
Speaker 2:However, you don't see any of our brown brothers on there promoting nothing that they doing in terms of that. Not that I see, and I will tell you this like I was discussing with my brother and it don't even matter, man.
Speaker 4:I mean, I think they, I think they do have a couple of brown brothers in there, but still it don't even matter, man, brown brothers, black brothers. I mean even if you got white brothers, nobody should be on there promoting gang violence, and that's what I was about to get at.
Speaker 2:I was about to get at is because, like we had that discussion before and if you watch the, you know President Trump's congressional address, President Trump's congressional address, he already classified MS-13 as a terrorist organization. So a foreign terrorist organization.
Speaker 2:However, there are a lot of MS-13 members here in the United States, so the discussion that we were having offline was basically how long do you think it's going to take before that train rolls over? To the Bloods and Crips and whatever organization, if you want to call it an organization, because at the end of the day, when that violence gets out of control and, as he said, he's going to crack down on violence in every major city what do you think is happening? You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:I know what's happening.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and like we talked about this law here, the raise the age law, how long do you think that takes? Like I was just telling my brother, man, it's going to be one murder away for them to say across the board, this is what we're going to do.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean and I just want to say that 14, you said boy in Newark right, new Jersey. Let me tell you something about that little 14-year-old boy. God spared his life because, realistically speaking and technically speaking, the way things have been going, he wasn't supposed to make it out.
Speaker 2:Initially I thought they killed him.
Speaker 3:So I hope, I hope that the prison system or whatever he's not going to prison, but whatever system he gets in, I hope it works for him. I hope that the prison system or whatever he's not going to prison, but whatever system he gets in, I hope it works for him. I hope when he goes in there it doesn't have the adverse effect like it does for so many.
Speaker 4:I thought very seriously he'd be in prison, but he's going to do something.
Speaker 3:He's not going to do prison? Yeah, they probably put him in a little juvie hall.
Speaker 2:Well, he's going to be in juvie until he age out pretty much.
Speaker 3:Right, right. And my thing is God forbid he got to fight off any bullies in there. You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Well, y'all do know also one of Trump's stipulations now was that any cop that get killed, that's an automatic death penalty. That's what he's trying to propose you understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:So God forbid he get in any trouble. And they say, well, guess what? He caused problems the whole time. He was in here not realizing because Trump would never make it in a juvie hall, nor would he make it in a prison. And at the end of the day, if that little boy could get out and he got a fight for survival in there because I'm not saying what he did is right, but if he got a fight for survival and he act up quote, unquote, act up and they feel as though he acted up, he's going to prison and if he goes to prison, there go the death penalty right there for him.
Speaker 2:So that's another little boy that we lost, so we lose him one way or another. It ain't going to be an easy ride. It ain't going to be an easy ride.
Speaker 4:I wouldn't be surprised if he don't go to jail. I don't think he's going to probably end up going to jail because the liberal laws between New Jersey and New York probably won't put him in jail forever.
Speaker 2:But going to put him in jail forever. But then again this administration is different. They're not going to try him as an adult. They said that's not going to happen.
Speaker 3:But he's going to be put in a situation where he's going to have to fight and he's going to do something to defend himself and then he's going to have to go to prison because he had to do that. And then he's going to be tried as an adult and they're going to say you had repeated offenses.
Speaker 2:We don't know that. We don't know if he had repeated offenses.
Speaker 3:I'm trying to tell you he's screwed.
Speaker 4:either way I wouldn't disagree with you on that.
Speaker 3:Thank you for finally not disagreeing with me, andre. It's been great being back you guys.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we came to a common goal with you two.
Speaker 3:I'm very happy about that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, finally came to common ground Today. What do you call it? What did I call you before?
Speaker 3:Oh, here we go. Don't talk about it, let's just end the show you know what I'm saying Just end the show End it on a high note.
Speaker 4:Yeah, end it on a high note, end it on a high note. She's a safe haven for black people. Man, I am too man, but she's a safe haven where it's like you know, you meet them people that no matter what somebody do wrong, you've been trying to find the bright side to it, or whatever, like that man. So I think that's one of her things man Well you know what God bless me with that quality.
Speaker 3:I'm going to own that. I'm going to receive that. I ain't trying to find the right side to everybody. I'll give you love when you deserve love, but I ain't finding the right side to it, and that's why you balance, that's why we balance each other out, because I respect that as well bye, everybody, until the next ride.
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