Love is a battlefield, y'all! Come through, as Aaron and Tamu discuss love in all its rare forms! From that trifflin' ass boy that put your favorite song on the dead to me playlist to the bull shittery happening on the Not-Blackchelor, come on through! In this week's throwback, we let the love, heartbreak and rainbow flags fly - Deborah Cox's "One Day You Will" and "Things Just Ain't The Same." Y'all will want to dance after this one...come thru, family!
Love is a battlefield, y'all! Come through, as Aaron and Tamu discuss love in all its rare forms! From that trifflin' ass boy that put your favorite song on the dead to me playlist to the bull shittery happening on the Not-Blackchelor, come on through! In this week's throwback, we let the love, heartbreak and rainbow flags fly - Deborah Cox's "One Day You Will" and "Things Just Ain't The Same." Y'all will want to dance after this one...come thru, family!
Aaron: [00:00:00] [00:00:00]
Hmm. All right, let's do this shit.
Tamu: [00:00:41] Welcome to when the bill comes due. I'm Tamu.
Aaron: [00:00:45] Hey guys. I'm Aaron. Thanks for joining.
Tamu: [00:00:47] it's Galentine's day, which is day before Valentine's day for us gals who don't have pals or gals or just gals, gal pals.
Aaron: [00:00:56] I,
[00:01:00] I never heard the phrase Galentine's day until you said goodbye to me yesterday. And I was like, Oh, that's different.
Tamu: [00:01:08] You're going to learn things hanging out with me.
Aaron: [00:01:10] I'm so happy. Galentine's day. Are you doing anything special?
Tamu: [00:01:14] Well, I'm talking to you,
Aaron: [00:01:16] Very special. Indeed. You are absolutely right.
Tamu: [00:01:18] when we did get sushi today and, uh, had sushi for Galentine's day.
Aaron: [00:01:24] Well, that's great.
Tamu: [00:01:25] Yeah, it was nice. It was nice. it's a special treat, very expensive. But Hey, what else are we doing? Supporting a small business and supporting someone driving in negative three degrees.
Aaron: [00:01:36] Yeah. It's really summer like around the world. Cheers.
Tamu: [00:01:39] Cheers.
Aaron: [00:01:40] We're not doing anything actually I have not planned very well for Valentine's day or any holiday, frankly, this year, maybe Christmas. I don't know what we're going to do.
I normally get a cookie cake for the kids. and then, I don't know, maybe I'll make a steak or something. I just hadn't planned that far, but we'll see tomorrow.
Tamu: [00:01:58] Well, you all who [00:02:00] have special loves in your life, enjoy your day.
Aaron: [00:02:02] you know, I think Valentine's day is really commercial.
Tamu: [00:02:06] it's a commercial holiday yes it is
Aaron: [00:02:08] Somebody was asking me this just the other day. And I was just like, for me, the only reason we do it is for the kids, but I think rich and I don't really, go crazy because I don't need just like February 14th for him to know that I fucks with him.
You know what I'm saying?
Tamu: [00:02:23] Ooh.
Aaron: [00:02:30] I told my twin sons the other day, I was like, I fucks with your daddy. And they're like, no, you may not. Don't don't don't don't talk to us like that. Like on fleek, all of the above, they're like, no. The other day. Oh, I tell my kid the other day, I was like, why are you acting sus son? And my teenager looked at me like, did you really just say that?
Like, I'm so shocked. You actually knew that. I was like, yeah, I'm a cool ass dad. Oh yeah.
Tamu: [00:02:54] When you have to announce that you're a cool ass dad. You're not,
Aaron: [00:02:58] I'm a cool ass dad. Fuck [00:03:00] it. All.
Tamu: [00:03:03] it's not a moniker that you give yourself.
Aaron: [00:03:06] That's true. I mean, I'd like to say that, as parents, we speak for our children at times. And so I just really gathered from, their speechlessness that I'm a cool-ass dad. So point blank in the period.
Tamu: [00:03:20] Yep. You can have that one till we bring them on there and ask them directly.
Aaron: [00:03:24] Thanks. I have a separate therapy account We're going to need that.
Tamu: [00:03:33] I'd like to say that on this special occasion of the Galentine's Day, I'm drinking a lovely sparkling Rose brut from the McBride Sisters, the ladies who make Black Girl Magic Wines.
Aaron: [00:03:46] cheers sis I'm not drinking that, but I've had it before.
Tamu: [00:03:50] That's a real glass bitch.
Aaron: [00:03:52] is a real glass. This is not, this is, um, ever tell you about these glasses. my sister Nerissa got married in October [00:04:00] and this was the party favor, these cute little wine glasses and I'm obsessed with them. of course my twins got them, from the wedding. So they're mine. Um, so I have a whole set now.
Tamu: [00:04:11] No, you have to set a three, not four.
Aaron: [00:04:12] Yep. I have a set of three, but this is my bad call to my sister. That when, whenever we're free bitch, bring the leftovers up here. Love you.
Tamu: [00:04:21] Wow. Does she listen to your podcast?
Aaron: [00:04:23] She says he does.
Tamu: [00:04:24] Hey, Narissa, it'd be nice to meet you. One of these fine days,
Aaron: [00:04:30] I've known you forever and you've not yet met my sister. It's crazy.
Tamu: [00:04:33] trying to keep me your back ass secret.
Aaron: [00:04:35] I guess so.
Tamu: [00:04:36] Not the first time some man has kept me their secret.
Aaron: [00:04:39] Oh my, is there tea to tell on this Valentine's Eve? Okay. That sounded like a scandal
Tamu: [00:04:46] You already know that story.
Aaron: [00:04:48] Moving on.
Tamu: [00:04:49] more heartbreaking news today, but not really a surprise. What happened with our government today.
Aaron: [00:04:56] Really? Got to talk about this. Huh?
Tamu: [00:04:57] It happened today.
Aaron: [00:04:59] It did [00:05:00] happen today and like, yep. Everything was confirmed. Okay. Onward.
Tamu: [00:05:05] It's so funny. I was talking to my grandmother today and I said, can I go back to our ancestral lands of Barbados? Do you think it'd be happy there if I expatriated there, because I don't want to stay here because clearly this country's fucked. So I'm going to start to create a map of places that are black accepting and you know, anybody listening.
If you have any ideas, please send them our way
Aaron: [00:05:28] Hmm.
Tamu: [00:05:30] DM us @whenthebillcomesdue on the Gram or email us at [email protected], because, uh, we need to know, I'm sorry. I need to know Aaron had six kids. He ain't going nowhere.
Aaron: [00:05:44] Um, no, we're, we're, we're going to exit some at some point, probably not, but it's a sad day in America. Go ahead.
Tamu: [00:05:51] we were talking yesterday when rich and I were talking, he was trying to get me to move to Maine, which is very sweet, but [00:06:00] Newfoundland is not far from where you live and that's not America. I had a professor who is from there and was like, it's great. Like it's not super, super cold. And they seem to be like a decent country. Maybe they'll be accepting of a Negress. I'm not sure. I'll have to look into that piece.
Aaron: [00:06:22] Negress. I don't think there are any black people up there are there.
Tamu: [00:06:27] You know, I think I probably looked at, uh, when I, when he was talking about it back in, I want to say 2016, 2015, right before the world started to turn dark.
Aaron: [00:06:36] I'm always intrigued by Canada, but I don't know if I could live in new Newfoundland
Tamu: [00:06:41] you live in fucking Maine. What difference does it make?
Aaron: [00:06:46] Do you think there are black people up there?
Tamu: [00:06:47] Are there black people in Maine five? Wait, how many kids you got?
Aaron: [00:06:53] Wow. Okay. On my block, perhaps, but in the city [00:07:00] we do not make up the numbers. There are many.
Tamu: [00:07:03] Let me Google it.
Here we go. Ethnic diversity, demographics of Newfoundland and Labrador. That's right. Labrador.
Aaron: [00:07:10] English reporting.
Tamu: [00:07:14] Okay, I'm still going. I'm assuming there's Americans Jewish, Filipino, Russian black Africans, 180 Jamaicans, regular black, one 20 South Africans. That's sort of black.
Caribbeans that's all right. I'm Caribbean too.
Aaron: [00:07:29] Do it.
Tamu: [00:07:29] Look at the pie chart. See that it's just white and then like a few colors. I don't know. I was trying to find a place to go because this is not a safe Haven any longer.
Aaron: [00:07:41] I was watching some of it today and I said something out loud and rich was like, well, why are you watching it? And I was like, you know what, you're absolutely right. We knew this was going to happen. Right.
Tamu: [00:07:53] But then they like added the extra twists in the beginning of like, weren't going to have witnesses. And then it was like, they're having [00:08:00] witnesses and then they didn't have witnesses and then they may have witnesses and then they were like, we're just going to add this lady's thing into the record, but we're not going to have witnesses and we're going to vote.
Aaron: [00:08:13] There's just so many things about the trial and it's really honestly, the politics of it all, including Biden, not weighing in and not being forceful everybody clearly wanting to move along, which I completely get, but. This man has done something wrong.
Right? And like we're sitting here expecting our lawmakers. I mean, I wasn't expecting obviously
Tamu: [00:08:38] Yours.
Aaron: [00:08:40] yes, she did. I was proud of
Tamu: [00:08:41] finally stepped up and realized she should have fucking done it last year.
Aaron: [00:08:45] What's really sad too, is that people just really protect this person and protect that party. Which is why I hate politics anyway. Just look at the fact that everybody's moving on from this. Right. And they're all just [00:09:00] kinda like, well, you know, blah, blah, blah.
And Joe, Biden's worried about his hundred days. And I don't know, I guess Democrats are worried about their political future or whatever, it's just a game. And I'm like, Oh, when will it be ever end I'll say over and over again, and we just need to vote out the old blood get rid of the party system too, but that's probably not going to happen.
Tamu: [00:09:21] So this was a good tweet. From, Dr. Jason Johnson. He's a professor somewhere, but he's also on MSNBC quite a lot. He's on Joy's show a lot. So he says, this is why I'm neither a Democrat nor a Republican one side is a front business for a white nationalist terrorist organization.
And the other doesn't feel threatened enough by white nationalists to actually. Wield power to make our multicultural democracy sustainable and there you have it. They will come back to us in 2022 when they need us for votes again, but ain't shit chaning and ain't nothing going to be different.
Aaron: [00:09:55] It's true. The game continues.
Tamu: [00:09:57] With the same players, because literally the same [00:10:00] people from before we were born.
Aaron: [00:10:02] That it's true. Oh my God. I've moved on from this whole impeachment thing and probably moved on when we knew what was happening in the first place, because we knew how it was going to end,
Tamu: [00:10:09] Can I ask you a question though? I know you weren't a hundred percent following it, I want to say it was probably what day two that was when our girl Stacy. Was doing her thing. I know you didn't watch a lot of that, but I'm sure you heard about it. Did you, from what you were hearing, feel that maybe that could have actually propel people to make a change and think differently about it?
Aaron: [00:10:29] Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. I saw some highlights of her and she was really, really good. I think that, they did a really good job. Of recapping that. And that was part of the emotion too. I remember watching one of the days where they were showing some of the videos and, it was really, really emotional, but honestly, how did that not change your mind?
Your life was in danger, your life. While I was watching that too, I just thought. You motherfuckers look how fast they get somebody up in trial, when they've been wronged. Right. [00:11:00] And here we came and get COVID bills, healthcare, anything
Tamu: [00:11:04] The minimum wage of $15, which is really supposed to be probably actually $21 at this point in time, they're trying to spread that out across six years to get to 15.
Aaron: [00:11:15] Oh, my God.
Tamu: [00:11:16] Joe just wants to drag it out across. So it's not even going to immediately be 15.
It's going to be What nine, and then it's going to go up into 2026 or some bullshit, then be 15 and then be nothing still cause $15. Ain't shit either. It's not a living wage.
We're being gaslighted as usual. I think that we just need to realize that we are being gaslighted so I'll see you in Newfoundland and Labrador. my accent's almost there.
Aaron: [00:11:44] It's true. You didn't have, you could just fit right in,
Tamu: [00:11:50] so in other fun and exciting news in great achievements in black America, Tessica Brown. Some of, you [00:12:00] may know her as the woman who put gorilla glue spray in her hair,
Aaron: [00:12:04] Free.
Tamu: [00:12:05] the journey has finally ended and she is now free from the bonds of polyurethane.
Aaron: [00:12:14] Stop stop
Tamu: [00:12:16] I still stand by my original statement of the fact that she is trying to adhere to European beauty standards. However, she did still put glue spray in her hair. We found out she's 40 and she's also a teacher of children. So.
Aaron: [00:12:31] Well, at least we helped a teacher. I mean,
Tamu: [00:12:37] It's black excellence all around because a black man from Ghana, lovely plastic surgeon offered to remove that for free. That procedure is normally $12,500. Tessica flew to California and had it removed this man who was also a chemist, figured out the chemical breakdown for the [00:13:00] polyurethane.
That's like the primary ingredient in gorilla glue and created a solvent to remove it from her hair.
Aaron: [00:13:06] Now,
Tamu: [00:13:07] That's amazing.
Aaron: [00:13:08] Isit amazing because Tessica's hair could fall out next week.
Tamu: [00:13:13] well, I mean, it could fall out, but it came out
Aaron: [00:13:16] At what cost.
Tamu: [00:13:17] free. He, I'm sure he's getting free advertising for doing this.
Aaron: [00:13:21] And when her scalp burns up and shrivels
Tamu: [00:13:25] That's a different story altogether. That is not what he wanted to do.
Aaron: [00:13:29] that's right. You know what? We should be celebrating Tess. Yeah.
Tamu: [00:13:32] The saddest part is unfortunately for me was when she was coming out of her mild she said, Oh man, I wish I hadn't cut my braid out.
Aaron: [00:13:42] I heard that I saw a video that today
Tamu: [00:13:44] It's like, we didn't learn anything from this experience then. Right. Girl. It's like, Oh, I have hair. I got my hair on my head. I hope she can keep it, but I feel like that's a big chop ready to happen. She'll be wearing one of these.
Aaron: [00:13:57] Right. [00:14:00] YASSS I was watching TMZ and some of the videos of her I go back to my original sort of devil's advocate, was this publicity , you do this on purpose because she's just, I don't know. I've seen her interactions in videos and stuff and I'm just like, Hmm.
Tamu: [00:14:16] Okay. So I went down your conspiracy theory route, and I thought, what if she was working with this plastic surgeon and she did this, knowing that he would be able to get rid of it I still just can't believe that a black woman would do that to her hair.
Aaron: [00:14:32] I agree. It is a lot to think that, but she came to Tik Tok to get help, which I guess that's
Tamu: [00:14:39] she got help.
Aaron: [00:14:40] right?
Tamu: [00:14:41] I also got 22, almost $23,000 from her. GoFund me.
Aaron: [00:14:46] I don't know. Good luck to Tessica right girl. Now, don't do it again. Although something tells me you haven't learned your lesson, but you know what Tess, you beautiful.
Tamu: [00:14:55] She's got the blue check, the blue star on Instagram, she's [00:15:00] verified. And she has a $22,000 and she has a public relations person now and a manager. So she's securing her bag and her 15 minutes.
Aaron: [00:15:11] Do it and do it right though, Tess. There's no way to do it right. No way to do it. Right. She sold her soul.
Tamu: [00:15:19] If that's what happened, I'm going with the fact that as a black woman who has had tragic things happen to her own hair, I can't imagine you. Fucking up your crowning glory regardless.
Aaron: [00:15:32] Never say never.
Tamu: [00:15:33] I know, I know people out here trying to get the gram success and it's COVID times and nobody wants to work for real, but based on her Instagram, It seems like she does a lot, like for the kids and she has a dance team or she's helping a dance team or she's teaching, a dance team of kids.
And I think maybe this could be a lesson for the ladies in the dance team that you don't have to slick it, lay it down. you can just have your hair be [00:16:00] okay. Like it's okay.
Aaron: [00:16:01] Sadly, I think there is going to be no lesson,
Tamu: [00:16:03] I was talking to one of my friends Kelly. I said, watch this chick come in with like a full set of braids. Okay.
Aaron: [00:16:10] Mm. Hmm. Oh, you know, she going to get laid, you know, that already. I'm just waiting for the Re-up.
Tamu: [00:16:17] That is so bad for her at this point in time. So I'm hoping that she'll get some good hair health help.
Aaron: [00:16:24] There's nothing wrong with the wig Tess.
Tamu: [00:16:26] There is nothing wrong with it.
Aaron: [00:16:27] Just throw it on and go.
Tamu: [00:16:29] you could get fun colors. You could be a sponsor for many different black wig shops.
Aaron: [00:16:35] Dark and lovely.
Tamu: [00:16:36] The world is your oyster, not dark and lovely. The world is your oyster.
Aaron: [00:16:40] Well, I mean, she could put a nice wig on and do a dark and lovely model session. My that's where I was going with it.
Tamu: [00:16:47] not too dark and lovely. We want to try to help small black business grow, not white businesses fronting as black business. Okay.
Aaron: [00:16:55] It's true. Lovely. Just came to mind.
Tamu: [00:16:59] Just [00:17:00] embrace your naturalness. It's all good. We're all beautiful inside and outside of whatever the fuck sprouts out of the top of our heads.
Aaron: [00:17:06] Whatever makes you feel beautiful.
Tamu: [00:17:08] speaking of hair, that was interesting. I finally, since I was off on Friday, able to catch up on some of my black history month TV, because I haven't been able to, because I've been actually working
Aaron: [00:17:20] It's been tough.
Tamu: [00:17:20] fucking work don't they know what month it is anyway. I finally watched Josephine Baker's documentary and she had her hair gelled down just like Tessica. at one point in time, she was so famous. She had a hair gel line. She was the first black, like celebrity celebrity. So she, , capitalized on it. She had a skin darkening line
Aaron: [00:17:47] Skin darkening
Tamu: [00:17:48] yes, because granted the pictures make her look very light, but apparently she was a Brown skin woman.
Aaron: [00:17:55] When you said Josephine Baker, I thought you were talking about the HBO movie. You like, we're watching [00:18:00] a real documentary.
Tamu: [00:18:00] Yeah. Real documentary.
Aaron: [00:18:02] Oh, that's interesting.
Tamu: [00:18:03] I love black history month because that's when I can finally get some history, documentaries.
Aaron: [00:18:08] And we'll definitely get some real ones now.
Tamu: [00:18:10] I don't know what year this was, but there are a couple of them they're obviously replaying that are older. I'd never seen it before. And I thought it was very interesting in, as we're talking about Valentine's day Galentine's day love and all of those sorts of things. They're combining together for Josephine Baker. She was always looking for someone to love and had lots of lovers, but it never necessarily materialized into marriage because no one wanted to marry the black woman, regardless of how famous she was.
Aaron: [00:18:40] She lived in France too. Escaped to try and get away from racism.
Tamu: [00:18:44] No, this was in France.
Aaron: [00:18:46] Really.
Tamu: [00:18:46] When she was in France, she had people who were lovers, but never marry her. Then there was one man, very rich man who ended up actually marrying her. Then she miscarried and she liked to do things and she didn't want to be a wife per se.
[00:19:00] So they got divorced. But, she was still always trying to find someone who would really just accept her for her. And I don't know if that a hundred percent materialized in her lifetime.
Aaron: [00:19:09] Hmm. I, only know of the Josephine Baker story from the HBO movie. And the scene that, um, always remember is them breaking into her house. I guess, taking her kids or taking her house. Do you remember that part?
I was like, Aw, sad life.
Tamu: [00:19:26] She wanted to have this rainbow tribe of kids. And, how Nelson Mandela actually. Took a part of that theory and he wanted to create a rainbow nation.
I didn't know, she was part of the resistance in the war. She's a war hero. She was the only black woman to speak at the March on Washington. Yeah, she is really quite a prolific lady.
Aaron: [00:19:49] More than just the dance with bananas. That's for sure.
Tamu: [00:19:52] More than just a banana lady. And I did have problems with that not the banana so much. And I know that there's a contingency of people [00:20:00] who want to take back certain things. But for me, when she was starting out and becoming famous I felt like she had to cross her eyes and make herself look like, , a monkey or do whatever kind of like, I wish that she didn't have to do that for herself, but at the end of the day, as her career progressed. And as she progressed in terms of who she is as a woman, that changed quite a bit, which was great, but I was just like, Ooh, do we have to do this?
Aaron: [00:20:24] I always bring up Richard Pryor, The Toy but for Probably centuries people have been playing this dance for acceptance, right. Instead of just being who you naturally are, like the, movie Viola Davis, just took part
Tamu: [00:20:37] Ma Rainey's Black Bottom.
Aaron: [00:20:39] black bottom.
That's a same thing. But still I'm sure there's a level of. Submissiveness that comes with being black in those times.
Tamu: [00:20:47] The part that was interesting was, she was a huge star in Europe. When she came. Back to America for the first time she came to New York and they wouldn't even give her a room in a hotel. They kept on telling her that she, no you're mistaken. You don't, [00:21:00] you're not getting a room in our hotel.
The first time she came back was in the thirties. And then back after the war, like number of times that happened. finally she had learned her lesson and she said, listen, I'm not coming back to America unless. Everybody can come see my show. And that includes black people.
So she started to integrate places that were not integrated in the past. she performed in Florida, you know, Florida. so that was like the first time black people were able to go and see a show like that with white people and be in the audience and the fifties. So she did quite a lot.
Aaron: [00:21:35] People, their advocacy is different, right? There's the one part, oh you have to play this game and be this whatever. Throughout history people have chipped away at the status quo, right? People chipped away at the norm to say, no, this is not right.
I always liked those messages too. People think entertainers and athletes are there to, entertain and sing and blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Nowadays, that's mostly it, right. And endorsement deals and blah, blah, blah. [00:22:00] But back then they were actually fighting for something.
You know what I mean? They were actually fighting for their rights. It meant something more to them that we take quite frankly for granted today.
Tamu: [00:22:11] HAshtag Not All
Aaron: [00:22:13] Obviously not all. Yes. But I'm saying
Tamu: [00:22:16] She realized at a certain point, I think she had decided that she was going to go back down South after the war. So like in the forties, fifties timeframe. She realize that her privilege allowed her to do a little bit more than other black people were able to do because she was a famous person.
Aaron: [00:22:35] you use your celebrity for? Good.
Tamu: [00:22:37] I don't know who it was for. Good, but she just realized like, Oh, Oh, so you're letting me buy the sandwich at your whites only station because I'm Josephine Baker.
Aaron: [00:22:47] I always thought that dynamic was interesting to you during that time period. How, really famous people navigated, Just touring, going to different cities and how they were treated at one place versus the other. It's [00:23:00] always interesting to me. I don't know it would break my spirit, honestly.
I don't know that I could have gone through what some of these folks have gone through. Just, it would just break my spirit.
Tamu: [00:23:09] It leads me to another thing. All of these things are intertwining together, so I've finished Roots.
Aaron: [00:23:15] how are you?
You don't have a machete or something on, on express delivery to you.
Tamu: [00:23:20] I have finished roots. It was interesting. I didn't know how it ends because clearly I'd never seen Roots before. And I finally asked my grandmother today. I said, why didn't you ever show us roots when we were in school? Because she showed us the story of Ms. Jane Pittman that we watched that movie we watched, I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings, like we watched all kinds of black movies when we were in her school and in her summer camp but Roots she's like, I didn't even think about Roots. I made you guys watch Eyes on the Prize. And I said, yeah, I was curious as to why we never learned it in school, being that we had a separate black American history book.
We had all kinds of different experiences as a result [00:24:00] of her and her experience. Anyway, in the end of Roots, after the civil war with the beginning of the clan and, they had white friends, the one guy, George.
It was a white man and his wife that they were living with at this point in time on the plantation. And they had all become really good friends, but once things started to get a little sideways, some of the blacks on the plantation didn't trust George anymore because he's white. And so they shunned him.
Plantation got sold and bought by a very terrible person who was buying up all the land. This was when the sharecropping was starting. They were trying to figure out how do we still keep black subordinate over, whites? George ended up getting a job.
Overseer over his friends or former friends at this point because he didn't feel safe around these people anymore because he thought they were going to kill him because they didn't trust him except for, Tom was a nice one who embraced him even after he got his ass beat for George [00:25:00] stealing food in the first place.
Turns out the clan comes around, they started burning crops. They start saying, you owe us money for this land and the crops that you worked, even though they burned the crops. They're indebted to their share owners, or the plantation owners for like $200 or something crazy like that.
Tom figured out that all of these people were part of the clan. He was a blacksmith. He took everybody's horseshoes and put a Mark on it so that they knew any time that these people were riding in and burning down things and trying to destroy things, they could figure out whose horses they were.
He went to the cops because he figured that the law is for everybody and he needed to go do that. Despite everybody on the plantation saying, what are you doing? Don't do this. You gone dead. The sheriff is friends with all of these Klansmen. And so he tells them, listen, I have this information, and then we're going to have to turn it over to the constable that's coming in a week and a [00:26:00] half or whatever it is, you do what you need to do. Tom told me, then they go and they string Tom up and they're whipping him. George and his wife are looking from their window. And his wife is like, what are you fucking doing? And he's like, I'm not their kin. And white stays with white. So finally he decides to get the courage up, to go run out and try to help. And so he decides that he's going to whip Tom. As opposed to Lloyd bridges, who is the head Klansman of this town. So he's whipping him and he's feeling awful. he's whipping his friend.
They're saying, you keep whipping him you keep whipping him and we don't care if he dies. And so they start to ride off and then they pan back to George and George is whipping the ground. Cause he like whipped him like twice and then he started whipping the ground once they started to walk away and he saves Tom. Yeah. Then everybody's happy. Even in roots.
Aaron: [00:26:57] So this is a struggle, right? Because [00:27:00] in some ways I think we have to understand how that turning point happened. I don't think it happened, in the roots theory of, Tom saves, blah, blah, blah. Maybe it did happen that way. As soon as you started saying that about, Tom.
I immediately thought white savior, George. Sorry. That's most of every movie you could possibly think of the help than whatever, I struggled because part of that perspective, Is interesting, right? Because not all white people hated black people.
Right, right. But there's complexities there because that's the only story that's ever told is that we were saved by white people, or someone needs to save us versus I think of a Harriet Tubman, you know I haven't seen that movie, but I'm sure there's a white savior in there as well, but I don't know that that exists.
It's really complex for me because I like to hear this stories of people that sorta came to their senses and sorta helped. But I think [00:28:00] also that's the only story we hear, you know what I'm saying? We don't get to hear our black heroes that, did it on their own or whatever.
I don't even know if that story exists. I'm sure it does. You know what I'm saying?
Tamu: [00:28:11] Yeah, this one is a weird one I don't know if it's just like black capacity for forgiveness in a way, when they met, George was stealing food and Tom got his ribs broken as a result because no one believed that a white man was stealing food from this place.
George and his wife were starving and they came and asked for food and these black people gave him and his wife and his, she was pregnant at the time, his baby food to help them survive. So is that displaying our capacity for forgiveness. Because they could have said, fuck you get the fuck out, but they didn't.
It was weird at the end of it. Was nice to see, obviously as someone who lives in a white place deals with white people on a regular basis, consider some family. I totally can understand that piece of it, but I also can [00:29:00] understand not trusting either, until they prove themselves and, George proved himself and ended up saving Tom.
Aaron: [00:29:06] It's complex.
Tamu: [00:29:07] It's very complicated. That piece of it, where that piece of storytelling in 1977, what are they trying to get at here? Are you trying to just make white people feel happy at the end? Were these white people really a part of Alex Haley's family's back history or did they add them to the story to make white people feel like, yes, not all white people are bad.
Aaron: [00:29:28] Right, right. You're okay. You weren't all evil,
Tamu: [00:29:32] Right. Like, there's a mythical part of the South where there weren't slaves where George came from.
Aaron: [00:29:40] I agree with you there. Anything that's depicted on TV, I would say, especially that era. I think now there's probably a more, I wouldn't say now there's a more realistic, but it depends on what you're watching, but, definitely there's always like this.
Silver lining a golden parachute that drops in at the end. Right. [00:30:00] That tells mythical, but we all got along and life was beautiful. And I'm thinking no it's horrible. Nothing changed.
Tamu: [00:30:09] Yeah. Right.
Aaron: [00:30:10] That's always really murky for me to reconcile , It's nice to hear.
Don't get me wrong. It's beautiful to hear the stories, right. It's beautiful to hear, because I truly believe that there were people that helped black people helped slaves escape. There were good people. And so I always love hearing those stories because just tells you they're humans that actually give a shit and don't want you to die and blah, blah, blah. On the other side of that, there's also people that do want you to die
I love those stories. I love the messages behind them and it's important to tell those stories too, but it's also important that it's a realistic story that it's not to protect someone else's.
Feeling about something they couldn't control either. I think that's how we all get wrapped up in it. Everybody's trying to protect everybody else's feelings and emotions and whatever. And instead of just saying, it fucking happened right.
[00:31:00] Tamu: [00:31:00] Everybody else's feelings whose feelings.
Aaron: [00:31:02] You know what I'm saying? That's true. Cause they just tell our story. It doesn't matter.
Tamu: [00:31:06] you have to get the buy-in right. Who's going to sit up there and watch Roots for 10 hours.
Aaron: [00:31:09] It's true. Could you imagine a trailer's look at how the slaves lived? Kente? What a hero. I have no idea. It's the tale as old as time. White savior
I mean, now that I'm thinking about this, is my husband a white savior. He's not
Tamu: [00:31:28] very nice, man.
Aaron: [00:31:30] I still fucks with him. You understand?
Tamu: [00:31:32] Speaking of people, fucking white people, The Bachelor. I know you wanted to talk about this, especially on the Valentine's day episode.
Aaron: [00:31:41] Yup. Yup. Yup. I don't know. Tams. I'm losing hope in humankind when I watch The Bachelor.
Tamu: [00:31:51] Why.
Aaron: [00:31:51] It's nothing but drama. It's really sad for me we put women against other women. It's really sad to watch this because again, it's a tale [00:32:00] as old as time, you know? Here, women are competing for this ugly man. I mean, he's not, maybe he has a donkey Dick.
He's a good looking guy.
Tamu: [00:32:08] I was talking to my friend about this Hey, Tiki, she was telling me her daughters were saying that he looks like Squidward. And I had seen that meme on the internet that he looks like Squidward. From sponge Bob square pants. Yeah,
Aaron: [00:32:22] I blocked it out. Yep. Got it now.
Tamu: [00:32:25] I don't think so. Am I wrong?
Aaron: [00:32:32] Um, I could see where there's, you're getting that from. Absolutely.
Tamu: [00:32:36] I don't see it.
Aaron: [00:32:37] I do like I could see it totally bless his heart. It's clearly delicious and trashy but the more you look at it too, it's really quite scripted in commercial and just.
Like, nah, there's nothing real about this experience for me.
Tamu: [00:32:53] You're not vying for some young man's heart.
Aaron: [00:32:56] still I'm on the outside looking in and this is some [00:33:00] bullshit. I still like it though.
Tamu: [00:33:01] Victoria was on the show still when we left off previously, she is no longer on the show because a lovely lady named Katie, the lady with the dildo in the first episode.
Aaron: [00:33:13] It's my bitch.
Tamu: [00:33:14] Came out and said, listen, Matt, there's some toxic shit happened in the house. You need to check on these ladies, they bugging. And he was like, bugging what's that mean? Anyway,
Aaron: [00:33:34] Yeah, they were bugging. What's her name? Jesenia or Yesenia.
Tamu: [00:33:38] Yeah,
Aaron: [00:33:38] I think she's kind of a shitster too a little bit.
Tamu: [00:33:41] I think she told the truth. And I honestly don't think that Katie was
Aaron: [00:33:45] Oh no, no, no.
Tamu: [00:33:46] stirring anything either. I think that they both just told the truth.
Aaron: [00:33:51] MJ,
Tamu: [00:33:51] What a disappointment in her, they ended up letting her go.
I'm sorry. He ended up letting her go. It was like this whole big drama where she was like, I'm going to [00:34:00] show everybody who I am fluffing up her hair and fluffing up, her hair, fluffing up her hair it's just like, what are you doing?
She basically attacked Yesenia for telling the truth and denied the fact that she was in the wrong then cried and cried and cried and cried and cried and cried. And Jessenia was like, listen, It's not just me, a bunch of other girls believe the same thing as saw you do these things. You are a part of the group of mean women who were doing these crazy things and treating people like crap and you lied
Aaron: [00:34:32] Yep. She had literally lied in his face. I was like, girl, what are you doing? You know, the world is watching you. Right. I don't know what she was planning to do. It's like my seven year old that, stole a piece of candy and they're like, no, I didn't do it.
And I'm like, listen, it's all over your face. We can see it. just own it.
Tamu: [00:34:51] I think it's a white girl tactic, especially the tears, especially the crying, especially the freaking out. And it's actually the blaming. I know that we all get into [00:35:00] these situations where we feel attacked and we know we're wrong, but we try to make excuses and try to do these things.
But sometimes you just have to own that shit, boo. You screwed up.
Aaron: [00:35:11] I didn't understand that. I was like, really girl, this is not worth it. If you're just going to be a mean girl, let's say, I said what I said, move on. Be done.
Tamu: [00:35:19] I actually was surprised that Matt picked Jessenia's side, because for the first two times he picked the white girl side.
Aaron: [00:35:24] True.
You couldn't really tell what he was thinking either when he has these little meetings and like what the fuck ? is this your CEO interview reel or something? It's insane.
Tamu: [00:35:35] Hey, Aaron. I could see my future with you. Do you want to make out now?
Aaron: [00:35:40] What was that about? Do you feel better?
Tamu: [00:35:45] I can see a future with you.
Aaron: [00:35:49] Yes. And can we just talk a little bit about the fact that this kid does not know how to kiss [00:36:00] at all? And if he ever came at me with that mouth of his, I would probably punch him because he does not ease into it at all. I'd have to say too, ABC is incredibly irresponsible because I don't care that they've been sequestered and blah, blah, blah. I'm sure not everybody. I don't know how things work there, but I'm sure not everybody's staying at that compound 24 seven.
Tamu: [00:36:26] yeah,
Aaron: [00:36:26] And here he is like one after the other
Tamu: [00:36:31] all quarantined. Like that's it.
Aaron: [00:36:34] Oh.
Tamu: [00:36:34] They basically took over Nemacolin Woodlands
Aaron: [00:36:37] So everybody that's, Sarah stays there and never leaves, I guess that's fine, I guess. But so like,
Tamu: [00:36:43] they brought in for three days with quarantined for three days,
Aaron: [00:36:47] Okay. Yeah. So yeah. I'm glad you brought that up. What's that heifer's name. I forgot her
Tamu: [00:36:52] Heather.
Aaron: [00:36:53] That sounds about right. I was so annoyed with that and it was so fake. I don't know anything about [00:37:00] her. I don't care, but I was just like, why do you need to bring in this blonde haired blue eyed, pretty white girl.
Tamu: [00:37:06] can I just say again that they keep throwing women into this season and not allowing this man? To figure out who he might actually like, because it keeps throwing things at him and I don't find it to be fair. They don't do this any other the bachelor seasons, but the black bachelor seasons are like, okay, Hey, will you want to meet him?
Hey, Hey, Aaron, do you want to meet him? Okay. I feel like I could have probably had a chance to fucking meet him at this point.
Aaron: [00:37:36] It's true. It's really true. If you compare this Bachelor to the first Bachelor, there was such a preservance of, I dunno, the sacredness of the process. Right. And it was. I'll say genuine and air quotes. Right. now it's just we're just going to throw a wrench in it and make it really salacious and disgusting and gross.
Tamu: [00:37:56] But why his season,
Aaron: [00:37:59] That's the point, [00:38:00] right? Why his season? That's that's my question.
Tamu: [00:38:03] because he's blackish.
Aaron: [00:38:04] It'll be very interesting to see how this season weathers,
Tamu: [00:38:08] Right now they're now mired in all of this racism, scandals.
Aaron: [00:38:12] It's going to be a hard 10 years. We're going to have lots of these things, you know that right.
Tamu: [00:38:17] For this particular season of the bachelor, there's a contest. What do they call them? Lady testants, a lady testant who in 2018 there are pictures of her dressed in, antebellum clothes like
Ms. Scarlett. Chris Harrison, the host of the bachelor went on, the podcast that Rachel Lindsay, who is the first black bachelorette and defended this other woman, her name also is Rachel.
Aaron: [00:38:48] That was confusing when I was reading the article.
Tamu: [00:38:51] Chris Harrison was like, well, I don't see the problem, because this was in 2018. And in 2018 back in Oh, far away, [00:39:00] 2018, we didn't care about these things back.
Aaron: [00:39:05] You didn't care about these things.
Tamu: [00:39:06] We cared about these things, Black face conspiracies were coming up in 2012 so you're late to the game.
Aaron: [00:39:14] He got some pictures out there.
Tamu: [00:39:15] It became a huge deal. And now Chris Harrison, from what Aaron sent me today is apparently stepping away from The Bachelor to go to racism, rehab, whatever that means.
Aaron: [00:39:25] So collecting a check, it's still collecting a check,
Tamu: [00:39:28] But he was so arrogant and nasty about it. when you heard some of his comments on Rachel's podcast.
Aaron: [00:39:35] I don't know that he would have taken this same stance if it were the black bachelorette or, other black woman contestant that, have been in the same situation, because he was just really like, you know, I forgot the words he said, take care.
Or use caution, coming to a defense. And I can't say that the same. Would have been reciprocated to a black woman that did the same thing, now we're supposed to, understand, that, you know, they've [00:40:00] changed or they've learned things about it.
There's always a justification for it, but if we do it, complete cancel, it's complete, cancel, ruin your life.
Tamu: [00:40:08] Rachel was on it, different podcasts talking about her experience with Chris Harrison. And she said, I'm out, once my contract is done, I feel I'm contractually obligated to do certain things with the bachelor franchise. Once that's done, I'm done I am done with this bullshit because she's like, they are racist.
They have a lot of Racist tendencies. They're not learning anything and I'm not going to be part of this anymore. Basically. I think she said she can't take it anymore.
Aaron: [00:40:38] I believe that.
Tamu: [00:40:39] I think 25 women from this bachelor season who identify as BiPOC wrote a letter saying that they stand with Rachel,
Aaron: [00:40:48] Oh, okay.
Tamu: [00:40:48] Not plantation Rachel, but.
Rachel Lindsay, in what she's saying, and they agree with her 100%.
Aaron: [00:40:55] That's great.
Tamu: [00:40:56] And as you said, they're going to blame black people for ruining. Yeah,
[00:41:00] Aaron: [00:41:00] That's true. We're going to be the reason why their franchise went down. Cause they let a black bachelor in and all this drama.
Tamu: [00:41:07] no, no. they're making a senior bachelor.
Aaron: [00:41:09] Are they really? Hmm. Watched silver. Daddy is Anderson Cooper going to be on that?
Tamu: [00:41:16] Senior citizens.
Aaron: [00:41:18] He's a senior citizen.
Tamu: [00:41:19] Are you a senior citizen
Aaron: [00:41:21] not,
Tamu: [00:41:22] then? Anderson? Cooper's not a senior
Aaron: [00:41:24] but he's older than us.
Tamu: [00:41:26] Google his age.
Aaron: [00:41:27] Uh, he's in his fifties, like 55, something like that. He's still fucking hot.
Tamu: [00:41:31] Friday Kelli and I were going on their website to see what it entails to be a senior citizen bachelor.
We still don't know exactly what the age limit is. Like what the age beginning is. I'm assuming 65,
Aaron: [00:41:45] yeah, I think they're looking for that 50, 60 range
Tamu: [00:41:50] 65 is a golden years person, but they didn't quite give the age bracket, which they should have, but they didn't, but I'm sure that's [00:42:00] probably because of ageism.
Aaron: [00:42:01] Actually, I'd watch that.
Tamu: [00:42:04] I'd rather see people our age. It always happens where it's younger people or older people and nobody in the middle.
Aaron: [00:42:11] We're boring.
Tamu: [00:42:12] What are you talking about? It is 11:37 slash 12:37. Hey AM, your time and you were in your laundry room and I'm in the corner of my bedroom and we are recording an amazing
Aaron: [00:42:23] It's true.
Tamu: [00:42:25] We are living the glamorous life like Sheila E.
Aaron: [00:42:31] Okay. That's my shit like that Bango part at the end, I used to play the fuck out of that part. I didn't care anything about that song except for the very last part. Oh, that was my shit. Cause you know, you listen to the radio, then you buy the album version. Like, Oh my God, there's a whole other 18 minutes of this
Tamu: [00:42:53] Shit. It's forever long.
You wanted to talk about Brittany.
Aaron: [00:42:57] I did. And I [00:43:00] honestly, it's really not about Britney. It's more about Justin Timberlake, but I don't know. Have you seen the documentary?
Tamu: [00:43:07] I watched it today.
Aaron: [00:43:08] Okay. I have not seen the documentary, but as I understand things, Justin Timberlake is on, uh, I'm sorry tour to protect his assets. Um,
Tamu: [00:43:19] much so.
Aaron: [00:43:19] Because he's finally apologized to Britney Spears for whatever, and Janet Jackson for the whole nipple gate back in the day, which basically he profited off of her career and quite frankly, black culture with his music for decades, 20 years to be exact.
And now he wants to apologize.
Tamu: [00:43:43] So it was reading an article in the root about. This apology and in the comments, a lot of people were like, yeah. Okay, Justin, we don't give a shit. It was really Les Moonves from CBS who really took it upon himself to [00:44:00] try to ruin Janet Jackson's career and life afterwards. What JT could have done was stand up beside Janet
Aaron: [00:44:09] Yep.
Tamu: [00:44:10] Or at all.
Cause I don't think he did at all. It was an accident. It was a mistake. I remember that Superbowl. I watched that. I was like, Oh, was that part of the show? Like, it wasn't a big deal for me. I'm like, okay, because these crazy people who are now probably QAnon moms lost thier mind to see a black nipple. It was the big deal.
Aaron: [00:44:31] The biggest issue I have with Justin Timberlake, I didn't really care about him in Brittany, you know, whatever, but what I hated the most was exactly what you said, like Justin Timberlake walked away from that with a better career. This is a story that's told over and over again, as much as I hate him, I shouldn't say I hate him.
I just dislike his antics, Kanye West Taylor Swift, same thing. Same thing happened. Taylor Swift her career benefited from the Kanye West thing. The [00:45:00] same is true for nipple gate.
Tamu: [00:45:01] Taylor Swift's career benefits off of every relationship she has.
Aaron: [00:45:06] It's very true. I can't deal with her right now, but anyway, I remember that whole thing happening and I think CBS wanted both of them to go on, live on the Grammy's would let them perform or whatever, unless they apologized and he won a Grammy and he apologized right on national TV.
Janet did not. I take major issue with the fact that he exploited. That woman, her career at that point was amazing. Right? And like, she was blacklisted, Janet Jackson was blacklisted and he said nothing.
And he made a profit off of all of this, off of all of this, for what I mean, obviously for his career, but I mean, but what, at the end of the day, what do you, what have you saved? Like what are you telling your sons, sons? I think he just had another baby. What are you telling [00:46:00] them now?
This happens all the time. He's got a great voice, he's very soulful. But never in his career, have I ever heard him acknowledged, who his influence are and the fact that he has basically robbed black music, and made millions off of it? It was nice to hear his apology, but I was just kind of like, fuck you. Why at this point, does it even fucking matter your shit's out there now. You want to like step up and apologize and be a man and blah, blah, blah, shut up.
Go, go spend your millions and shut the fuck up.
Tamu: [00:46:32] it falls hollow at this point in time, you could have done a lot of, he could have done it during me too. He could have done it, before now.
Aaron: [00:46:41] Right,
Tamu: [00:46:41] He could have stood up for Britney A. Long time ago. He didn't do that. I liked Juston Timberlake.
I'm not gonna sit up here and pretend that it wasn't a stand for him. I was, but I didn't give a shit about like his relationship with Britney Spears or any of that other stuff. I liked the music and, I like a blue-eyed [00:47:00] soul white guy.
Aaron: [00:47:01] Same.
Tamu: [00:47:01] for me like the breakup stuff, wasn't a big deal, the documentary, didn't really touch on it that much, Twitter and the social media took that on and made it bigger than the documentary.
The documentary didn't touch on that very much at all. What the documentary does show is basically the misogyny in. Our culture at that time, the way the documentary explains it, Brittany was coming up through the same time as boy bands and boy bands were the prevalent, pop music at the time.
she was running this dichotomy of being virginal, but sexy and running that whole like Madonna whore sort of thing when she had kids, the first thing people glomed onto was making her out to be a bad mom, the, about the fact that she might be going through postpartum depression.
She had two kids within a year. Back-to-back that can fuck you up. And that can cause your hormones to go wonky, wonky do. But that was the same time the [00:48:00] Paris. Hilton's the Nicole Richie's Lindsay Lohan's, you know, all those ladies fire crotch, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Right. And they were all hanging out together and doing all this kind of stuff.
At that time, I honestly didn't give a shit. Like I was just like, okay, white girls doing the white girl, shit. It wasn't a thing to me. I didn't think about it in those regards and again, these are the things when we talk about When the bill comes due and this is it. We ignored the piece of her mental illness, right. I didn't think that she was a bad mom. I didn't even think about that at all, but that's what the media ended up portraying. And then the documentary, they interview some of the paparazzi that were following her all of the time and they.
Pretended to be like, well we didn't know that she was having problem. She didn't say anything to us. What is she supposed to do, guys? I'm having a really hard time right [00:49:00] now. Can you kind of back off? No, like they were just like in her face 24, seven, seven days a week. And they could profit off of it.
So they didn't give a shit about her and her life and her well-being her personal wellbeing. They just give a shit about getting the shot and make and the money. that was a part to me that was sad about the Britney piece was honestly she probably was just going through PPD. And literally that was it, but her whole life got taken away and that's unfair. In this documentary they say it's really difficult to extricate yourself from a conservatorship period. So she has a long way to go before she can become free.
Aaron: [00:49:40] Do you think she's okay though. I've seen her video posts sometimes and she doesn't seem checked in to reality sometimes.
Tamu: [00:49:50] I don't watch a video post, so I can't pick that assessment based off of what I just saw in that documentary, I believe she's been in. A rehab [00:50:00] facility. I'm using quotes since January
Aaron: [00:50:02] Oh yeah. I remember when she put that, cause her dad was sick or something
Tamu: [00:50:06] but that was not true.
Aaron: [00:50:08] really.
Tamu: [00:50:09] What's coming out is that she was forced to go into a facility. And that she basically, she has no relationship with her dad at all has had no relationship with her dad until she kind of started to go a little bit sideways. And then he became the person who was in charge of her money. The one thing she stipulated, even when this was all happening and they were going to put her stuff into a temporary conservatorship was that she didn't want her dad to be. In charge of it at all. And then that's what happened. So she's fighting to get away from her dad because she is afraid of him, period.
Aaron: [00:50:43] that's crazy.
Tamu: [00:50:44] It goes back to what we were talking about with Wendy Williams too, when her husband and what he was doing with her. In that in her biopic and in her documentary at the same thing he had control over her brand, her name, her identity, her [00:51:00] life.
And she had to finally try and take that back, but she didn't get as far down as a conservative for Britney. It's a tougher situation. And I really do hope that she gets out of it. The song Overprotected. It makes more sense when you think about it in terms of what she's really going through in terms of her life.
Aaron: [00:51:16] It's very sad. These people are human and navigating all this mental illness and all blah in front of the world.
Tamu: [00:51:24] The fame and media and people putting so much on you, how hard is that? Nobody thought to provide her with any therapy. It was early 2000s mid to late 2000s. That wasn't a thing yet. so the thing to do was to say you're a bad mom, take your kids away.
How devastating would that have been for her to know she was losing her kids?
Aaron: [00:51:48] I've always loved Britney Spears. And I remember when this happened in like 2008, I want to say it was 2008 ish. When all this happened, just like, glued to the TV. I don't believe this is [00:52:00] happening.
Is she okay. I always felt like she's being propped up. You know, like she's being held up every time I saw her. It's just sad. This is what the industry does to people. You know, it's what it does. Tale is oldest time. I think I said that at least three times in this podcast, but man, our society has a way of, to, and people up and spitting them out.
Tamu: [00:52:20] it's just it's women.
Aaron: [00:52:22] Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely.
Tamu: [00:52:25] The Justin piece of this, which is, he also, took advantage of the situation. His PR team really took advantage of the situation and made her to be the . The cheater. She's. The slutty one, he was getting high-fives and dApps from people because he took her virginity or whatever.
It was like, he was all here, like doing that kind of shit, and he was able to become a success as a result of it because apparently his career wasn't like his, first album wasn't really jumping off until he decided to them. [00:53:00] Britney has said jumping off point as quote unquote as a jump off.
Aaron: [00:53:05] I believe every last word of it. I believe it.
Tamu: [00:53:08] And I believe it too, like I said, I loved Justin Timberlake. I've gone to his concert. I've been to an N-Sync concert. JT is my dude. Once he became the man of the woods, which I like to say the Men of La Mancha, I jumped off of the train because he's pulling a Kid Rock.
He's now decided to be a country and go back to his. White roots
Aaron: [00:53:31] He sucked the Black well dry, and when it wasn't making money for him, I was like, Oh, cross over and be white now.
Tamu: [00:53:37] This is not like, Oh, tit for tat but it's like Taylor Swift to wear country to pop because she knew it was going to make money. Miley Cyrus, who went from country to pop to hip one point, she tried to be black for five seconds, because it was going to give her more cachet and make her more, give her more credibility and make her more money.
Aaron: [00:53:58] Why is being black credibility? [00:54:00] We don't get the credit on the street.
Tamu: [00:54:01] We don't get the cred, but the white people do you still have to watch my Rainey's black bottom?
Aaron: [00:54:08] I need to elect to probably answer a lot of questions. I've been trying not to dig into the Taylor Swift thing, okay. So I like one album by Taylor. Swift's 19.
Tamu: [00:54:16] 84.
Aaron: [00:54:17] great album, nicely produced. I was like, Oh, that's great Taylor, great progression made complete sense, but she's more of a parasite on popular culture, right?
Like since she started with country and she's like, Oh, I'm a country. And then she's pop and, dominated that world. And now she's into this Indie. Indie alternative stuff. We're going these really great producers I'm sure, a lot of my indie friends are just like we hate when people sell out like this and like it's a clear sellout, not even a sellout, it's just an exploitation to make her more money. She released two albums and I dunno, what was it? Six months last year. And I [00:55:00] just thought, you know, Taylor, why the fuck? Couldn't you just sit back and like, let somebody else shine, honestly, like it's not about her. I should probably listen to the album a little bit closer, but it's not. Like she's, spewing, social justice knowledge, it's more of, I like a cute boy in London and I say shit a lot. So anyway, I could go on and on about Taylor Swift and her lack of talent, and she should have never won album of the year. It's a great album, but it wasn't that great.
There are many, many more talented people I'm done. I'm done. I can't anymore with these
Tamu: [00:55:37] I feel like we've talked about all the topics that we wanted to talk about.
Aaron: [00:55:41] I know.
Tamu: [00:55:43] right. We'll take a break and come back with our throwback. .
This is a weird one because it started out as one [00:56:00] thing and then turn out to be the battle of Deborah Cox.
It turns out Aaron and I have two separate favorite Debra Cox same album. Right? They're both on one wish, but two very different songs. why don't you tell us about your song?
Aaron: [00:56:14] The first song is called One Day You Will. And this was written by my songwriting idol. Diane Warren. Yeah. You didn't know that. Did you? Was also produced by my favorite producer, David Foster. I think David Foster understands a black woman more than we give him credit for because he worked with Whitney. One understands the black woman's voice and soulfulness.
Tamu: [00:56:45] David Foster is problematic because of what he did to his wife. Watch the real Housewives and you'll understand what I mean.
Aaron: [00:56:52] Yeah. Okay. Um, I'll have to check that out, but
Tamu: [00:56:54] Yolanda Foster
Aaron: [00:56:56] okay. No, I forgot. She was on that show
Tamu: [00:56:59] She's [00:57:00] not anymore because David Foster married what? A 35 year old woman.
Aaron: [00:57:03] Katherine McPhee runner up American idol season. she's pregnant now, did you know that?
Tamu: [00:57:10] I thought she already had that baby.
Aaron: [00:57:12] David Foster is a great, I think he's a great producer. He just really is
Tamu: [00:57:16] Not a great man.
Aaron: [00:57:18] A great he's a, there was a documentary on Netflix. He's an arrogant,
Tamu: [00:57:21] I know what you're talking about.
Aaron: [00:57:22] an arrogant fuck. He really is.
Tamu: [00:57:24] He treated his wife like shit when she was going through Lyme disease.
Aaron: [00:57:28] Oh my, Anyway, he's a Dick, a brilliant mind, but a Dick. Sorry. Anyway, one wish this album came out and I didn't actually love this song when it first came out. I don't know if you know this about me, but I really don't like. I don't like singles. I don't like major releases.
Mariah Carey, for instance, all of her 18 number ones, I love them. I will listen to the songs, but they're not my favorite. Like I'm into deep cuts. she's rolling her eyes. Y'all because I'm talking about Mariah but it's the center of my world. It's the center of [00:58:00] my world.
Tamu: [00:58:00] guys we've made it two hours. So
Aaron: [00:58:02] No fuck off Mariah, Mariah, Mariah, Mariah, Mariah. Anyway, um, what was I going with? This, your eye rolls. Just ruined it. Oh anyway, I'll just start here. So one day you will is a song about. A breakup and it clearly he left her or someone left Diane Warren, we'll just go there, but it's just such a sad song.
And I have such a close relationship to this song because at the time I was dating a guy named Michael he has since passed away.
I was all wrapped up in my fields. Anyway, I was in college at the time and I took a, I want to say it was an English class with Michael. I just remember, like he was the bee's knees. I was like, I need that in my life. But I was also like, you know, a bitch, like you're just, no, you're not anybody's type.
I was very insecure back then, too. long story short. Saw Michael, the club didn't know he [00:59:00] was gay at all. We had fun. I'll leave it there. Michael was kind of a player, and long story short, I figured out, that me and another acquaintance were actually dating Michael, at the same time.
It was a very sad moment because when I love, I love hard and I was fully invested in that relationship. I just remember this song gave me such comfort because I was just like, you know what, fuck you.
Tamu: [00:59:28] sorry.
Aaron: [00:59:29] We've talked many times. You love love songs and. You'll probably argue that this is not a love song. This is a love song.
Tamu: [00:59:36] it feels like a breakup zone,
Aaron: [00:59:38] I know she going to fucking say it.
Tamu: [00:59:39] but that's part of the love song genre.
Aaron: [00:59:42] True. Oh, progressive. Are we? This is true. I love songs like this, you know, for instance, I'll tell you my favorite line, lyrics one day, will be walking down the street and you'll see someone and she'll look a lot like me and you'll think about someone you've [01:00:00] left behind and it will make you cry.
I took those words. So personally, it helped to flush out the pain I was feeling, but it's absolute like motherfucker. Yes. Like you'll never find a love, like what we had. You'll never find someone like me who cared through the tears one day. I'll see that the one you need is me.
You'll want me back again? You'll want me back again one day? Well, like. Every fucking word of this song is just like, yes, like this is what I would say to him. And actually this was really the song. One of the songs that really got me excited about writing songs, songwriting, and wrote a lot actually during this time period.
I've heard it at least a million times. I love it. But it's sad for me. I love sad breakup songs.
Tamu: [01:00:45] I think a lot of us do it may not, I'm not gonna lie and say that I don't, I do there is, Many songs that I had banned for 10 years.
Aaron: [01:00:55] I agree. I get it. Do you have any feeling towards his [01:01:00] son?
Tamu: [01:01:00] it reminds me of a lot of songs like this. I think of, a Jill Scott song my love. It's my love.
Yeah, it reminds me of this song from Jill Scott. Anyway, those kinds of songs of like, don't, you know, what you've missed for being with me kind of a thing. I get it.
Aaron: [01:01:19] Yeah, I think for Deborah Cox, she's good. Right? She can carry too well. But listening to her, like there's so much pain in her voice when she sings and like,
Tamu: [01:01:29] It resonates
Aaron: [01:01:31] Absolutely. Like you just totally get it. It's like a Gladys Knight for me. I love Gladys Knight because you hear her pain. She's great. Absolutely. One of the great singers. Absolutely. Gladys and Deborah are similar in that they convey the pain.
Tamu: [01:01:44] Got it.
Aaron: [01:01:44] Absolutely.
Tamu: [01:01:46] My song off of the same album is Deborah Cox's Things Just Ain't the Same
I'm just saying perhaps I just like a groove with my song of [01:02:00] saying, Hmm, I still kind of want to be with you even though you're a piece of shit.
Aaron: [01:02:05] That was from a movie. I don't think it was a very good movie. Did you ever see the movie that this was on?
Tamu: [01:02:10] No, I just only heard the song.
Aaron: [01:02:12] Yeah, I never saw the movie. I only saw, I used to work in a record store and this came out and. I so Hex Hector remix, the song, um, huge Hex Hector fan. so I was like, okay, I'll listen to it. And like, yeah, I remember
Tamu: [01:02:27] Well, it sounds like a gay club
Aaron: [01:02:30] totally, totally gay. Totally me. Did you ever meet my friend? Steven.
Tamu: [01:02:35] Yes.
Aaron: [01:02:36] Okay.
Back in the day, me and Steven used to go out and when we drive home, we would blast this nine minute version all the way home that's a memory I will always have . Me and Steven, and then , if we have the day off, we would drive, you know, day drink or whatever. And I remember one time we were on shirtless in my truck [01:03:00] driving howling this song. Yeah. And then it was, it was great.
I love a song. of course it has a love message and it's a breakup song, but like it was a bop. For me,
Tamu: [01:03:11] You think as a breakup song?
Aaron: [01:03:13] you think
Tamu: [01:03:13] I guess, I mean the guy left, but she's still holding on to hope.
Aaron: [01:03:18] right? It's not really a breakup song.
Tamu: [01:03:20] I saw you the other day and I almost lost my mind. I remember the things we did. I can't believe it's a waste of time. Sometimes. I want to cry sometimes I want to die. Please help me understand why can't my heart.
Just lie. Things just say it the same. He could never be you should know the pan. I feel understand what I'm going through.
I'm still in love with you. And I know that you feel it too, but I feel that I can't go on. I just want you to come back home. I'm so ashamed of me. My heart is not [01:04:00] complete.
I know you walked away. My heart wants you to stay. Yeah. That's probably where I was for a lot of times. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's where I've lived for a number of years and this was what, 1997. So, Oh, the movie was, Money Talks.
Aaron: [01:04:17] That's it. Yup.
Tamu: [01:04:18] yeah, I do remember that.
Aaron: [01:04:20] Was that, is that Vivica? I just remember the movie wasn't successful, but the song was all up in the clubs. The gays loved it. This was her debut actually thinks to think the same. This was her debut.
Tamu: [01:04:31] This was like right in between me sashaying from my. New York city boyfriend to my Minnesota man.
Aaron: [01:04:39] Mm. Less than deep, deep memories locked up in this song. Huh?
Tamu: [01:04:44] Says a lot about the trajectory of things for me is things went. Let's just say my love life. Ain't been no crystal stair. Okay.
Aaron: [01:04:56] they never are, darling. They never are.
Tamu: [01:04:58] Well, yours is.
[01:05:00] Aaron: [01:05:00] Yeah, it's definitely it is.
Tamu: [01:05:02] I was not blessed in that regard and that's okay. I love that song. Like, I love that things just like the same song I loved and that might've been when I was first introduced to gay club music or like the, the club beat, that was around that same time that I was getting my education about gay clubs, gay lifestyle.
Aaron: [01:05:24] This was definitely the height of gayness. I lived in Austin at the time and there's a place there called oil can Harry's that's where we flocked every night, you know, let's do oil can Harry's. I have my bartender, Scott. I don't think he still works there, but like he would make me.
Tamu: [01:05:39] I hope not
Aaron: [01:05:40] strongest white Russians, the strongest blue Hawaiians.
Tamu: [01:05:44] how could you,
Aaron: [01:05:45] Yeah,
Tamu: [01:05:46] do you hear the, I know I hear you.
Aaron: [01:05:48] I know, but those are my young years. When I turned 21, I would have a different drink every year. And that it was my signature drink every year. I started with the Colorado bulldog, white Russian, and then [01:06:00] blue Hawaiian, and then gin and tonic.
Tamu: [01:06:02] We should do this until we turn 50.
Aaron: [01:06:04] Significant drink. I would love that.
Tamu: [01:06:08] Let's do that.
Aaron: [01:06:09] What would you think?
Tamu: [01:06:10] I don't know. We can figure it out.
Aaron: [01:06:12] I would love to do that
Tamu: [01:06:13] I mean, you were clearly more sophisticated at this point in time, so
Aaron: [01:06:17] appletini or whatever
I would like a chai latte, vodka martini.
Tamu: [01:06:26] I'm trying to figure out how to use a smoker and infuse some shit like that's where I'm at,
Aaron: [01:06:30] Are you really trying to use this at home?
Tamu: [01:06:33] I mean, not at home for real, but my level of like, you know, mixologist at this point in
Aaron: [01:06:38] that place in London, we went to with
Tamu: [01:06:40] Right? The one that I had, remember that drink that was underneath the cloche.
Aaron: [01:06:45] miss London. we've got to get back there.
So any final thoughts on things? Just seeing the same, other than that's a motherfucking bop.
Tamu: [01:06:56] It's a bop
Aaron: [01:06:57] I have to categorize my music. So this [01:07:00] is my favorite Deborah Cox love song breakup song, right? One day. Well, my favorite favorite dance. Up tempo has to be oh shit. That's even hard. You need to listen to this album. This is a great album.
Tamu: [01:07:16] That has the other song on it. That's famous too.
Aaron: [01:07:19] Nobody's supposed to be here. Yes. That's my favorite. Like I thought, hex, Hector, and it's a remix. I tell my kids this all the time. Cause of course gay dad raising kids. I tell them to close their eyes and listen to the song from beginning to end and they take you on a journey.
Like it's like. Flying a plane, they lift off and then they lay him back down and he does a really great job of producing the song. I love songs like that, but I love Deborah Cox, anything. Deborah Cox. I love her.
Tamu: [01:07:48] Is it cause her name is Cox
Aaron: [01:07:50] Perhaps. So I will tell you this one time I [01:08:00] [email protected]x.com.
Cox Debra cox.com. And I was at the time of receptionist with this screen here. And it was like the era of pop-ups, there was no blocker, right. I pull up Debra cox.com and it is just ass and titties everywhere. And I'm like, Oh my God, like I'm in the middle of this huge ad space. That was my Deborah cox.com story. I think she may have bought the domain by now,
Tamu: [01:08:27] I hope so.
Do you want to do some housekeeping?
Aaron: [01:08:30] do some housekeeping. So friends, thank you so much for listening to us. We really have a lot of fun making this show. I'm really honored that I get to do this one of my best friends every single week. Please share us like us subscribe, follow us on Instagram @whenthebillcomesdue.
Follow us on Tik TOK, [01:09:00] who literally are like, well, yo, show's over. That reminds me of my sister. Hi, Nerissa we used to go high in DC and we go to happy hour or whatever, and I'd take her home, this bitch would rip her wig off and throw it in the dashboard. Or we play some booty music, she take it and like, hang it up the window.
So like you just took me back there. When you ripped it off, I was like, Oh my God, I love it. She was like, well, this party's over
Tamu: [01:09:37] Well really, it was just me trying to break Aaron. So there you go.
Aaron: [01:09:40] She broke me. So let me pick up by saying, we love to hear from you. We really love to hear from you. So please comment, like subscribe wherever you podcast, where everywhere we are international, or send us a [email protected] I'm done. I said [01:10:00] tick-tock earlier.
Any other final thoughts? Wrap it up, SIS.
Tamu: [01:10:03] Don't forget to double mask. We are in trying times surgical mask, plus a cloth mask. Make sure that you cannot blow smoke through or blow a candle out through either of the masks. We're in these double variant times
don't fuck around still double mask. When you go outside.
Aaron: [01:10:25] Wear a mask, wear a mask, wherever you go. Double that shit up. Double that shit up and wear a ma.
Tamu: [01:10:40] you know, for all of us nineties kids, remember when we had to think about doubling up on condoms.
Aaron: [01:10:47] You
Tamu: [01:10:47] It's that time.
Let's say our goodbyes. adieu,adieu toyou and [01:11:00] you and