When the Bill Comes Due

EP 19: Rainbow Bonnets

June 23, 2021 Aaron & Tamu Season 1 Episode 19
When the Bill Comes Due
EP 19: Rainbow Bonnets
Show Notes Transcript

Happy Pride, y’all! Aaron is obvi the token gay here. Come through as he and Tamu share their thoughts in pride, Gorilla Glue Girl, CRT and more! Aaron and Tamu reminisce grooves of the summertime with Klymaxx’s Meeting in the Ladies Room and Rose Royce’s Car Wash! Fill up and you don’t have to pay…It’s been a minute, so come through and laugh more than you really should! 


Aaron:  [00:00:00]Worried Lord Jesus

I'm, not worried.

 Tamu: welcome to When the Bill Comes Due.

I'm Tamu. 

Aaron: Hi, I'm Aaron, or call me [00:01:00] Reverend if you'd like 

Tamu: It's been over a minute since we've,  connected with everyone since we're on our summer schedule. How have you been? 

Aaron: I've been good. I've been busy. Work has been busy.

busy with kids and end of school year and freaking out about camps that I didn't sign up for. you know, it's great. What about you? 

Tamu: I started a new job. 

Aaron: Congratulations. 

Tamu: it's been an interesting month since we last recorded. What a difference, right. Sometime makes 

Aaron: a burden lifted.

I'm sure. 

Tamu: It is a burden lifted. I am at your old company. What a change 

Aaron: Night and day.. Right. 

Tamu: I was able to tell those people to go fuck themselves in a nice way and, move on. 

Aaron: You know, I think this whole year, it's a year of new beginnings and choices. I think it was probably CBS this morning.

God knows where I hear it now.  There was a report that came out that folks feel more comfortable leaving their current job and going into an [00:02:00] entirely different industry or just quitting their job altogether and doing something else. I'd like to know who those people are because I'm a black man with six kids and paying taxes.


Tamu:  To be fair, you found a new job in the middle of the pandemic. 

Aaron: It's true. I did, but I was more talking about the folks that can just entirely quit their whatever and do whatever I'm not there yet. 

Tamu: just become a beadist and make jewelry out of beads and sell it on the street, their Etsy.

Aaron: Would you really do Etsy? Ever?

Tamu: I'm not creatively talented in that way. So I won't do that unless Etsy has a podcast section. 

Aaron: There's like this, like people wanna watch you eat chicken wings. Like I'm down for that one because I can suck a chicken bone, like nobody's business. I'm 

Tamu: fairly confident you can find a market for that.

Aaron: I don't think my husband would agree to that. This is not how to promote it. Be this whole big thing. And people knocking [00:03:00] down the doors we'd have to move and yeah, that'd be tough. 

Tamu:  I don't think that'd be the market of the clientele that you'd get. Who want to watch you eat a chicken.

Aaron: I would blow the market up. Okay. 

Tamu: Blow is the word.

Okay.  Let's get into stuff since we've been gone for a minute, I've been tracking some things that we can discuss in terms of our little mini segment that we have about great moments in white American history.

Black American history and unfortunately, Latino history. We going there today as well. 

Aaron: No, no me, gente, por favor no, listen,  trust me.  There are things going on in the world because you blow up my texts. Lots of Twitter articles. 

Tamu: That's how I keep track of it. I'm like, don't pay attention. I'm just going to, I'm just sending it here.

So yeah, 

Aaron: there was something you said that it takes, I have to fight it. Cause I was like, oh my God, this bitch is going to out of control.. I [00:04:00] died  in my sleep. As I woke up and read this, what time did you send this?

Like 12:00 AM. And they're always at like 2:00 AM. That's the other part too, like 2am this  one says sending so I can find on Saturday. Kevin Hart comes down on cancel culture. I just laughed because I was like, you have never said that to me before, because you are so organized with these things.

And I was like, what? 

Tamu: That's how I've organized it now. I'm like, I'm sending you the link so that I know they're in the one spot I sent them to you and I can go search and find them quickly. So like with Twitter, you lose it. You can't save it and find it. That's very 

Aaron: true. Well, because of you and I fucking hate this, but because of you.

I have turned on my Twitter notifications. I think I'm ready to get back into the social stratosphere.  the newsy part of it, not Facebook, but like Twitter. Twitter's a nice. Array. I can just go to Tik TOK or Instagram when I want to just watch  

[00:05:00] Tamu: fair, fair, fair.

So the first thing this was, I want to say maybe a week ago or two weeks ago now,  Monique, the comedienne.  Star of precious,  had her little viral moment where she was talking about bitches wearing bonnets and not dressing right at the airport. 

Aaron: Yes. I heard about this. Yes. 

Tamu: people were like, how is she going to tell me I can't wear a bonnet! I'm like, come on now. we grew up different like that. The first time I saw somebody wearing slippers on the train, one time when I went home to New York, I was like, what is happening? Why do you have pink, fuzzy shoes on, in this dirty ass subway system?

I was like, this ain't right. Y'all come on now. We just, no care. 

Aaron:  I've threatened my kids. I was like, do not ever, let me see you walking around your pajama pants and your slippers. None of that. we just didn't grow up like that. And I'm like, what are you doing?  Get dressed and go out to, I mean, this kind of judgy  that I'm saying this out loud right now.

Tamu: Yes, it is. I was going to say, how dare you, 

Aaron: but that's exactly [00:06:00] what you were just saying. Am I wrong? 

Tamu: But I'm saying it to you because you. I don't typically go out in the streets trying to be like, you know, a hundred percent presentable flip-flop man, 

Aaron: what does that have to do with, what does that have to do with going out in your pajamas?

I would like to know now I will admit there's probably an assistant principal or two that may have seen me in my night down night shirt that goes beyond my knees as I dropped off my children. But that's about the worst of it. Rarely. I mean, could you think about it? Like, I'm just thinking about that.

Like I'm out taking my kids and something happens to my car and bitch, I am in a nightgown. I do think about that sometimes with boots on. So I'm practical, right?

Tamu:  Yes. 

Aaron: So 

Tamu: ready for any situation? 

Aaron: I mean, I don't know, it's hard because. I remember when we were kids like they used to do like Birkenstocks [00:07:00] or, yeah, I think it was like the Birkenstocks of the socks anyway, in the Midwest.

So we did these things, , and the chancaltas was with the white socks. And I think we wore pajama pants. I think at one point people were wearing boxer shorts as shorts, like oversize boxer shorts as shorts. It was not us.  I grew up in suburbia. Lifestyles. we weren't as urban there.

I have obviously an opinion  about going out, like you're going out, but I also feel like people feel empowered to go out how they're going to go out because. They feel better about themselves or  I think last year gave us permission to be a little more ourselves. 

Tamu: Baby, boo,

this was not happened just last year.  I been seeing bitches with slippers on for a couple of years now. Okay. And the same thing here in the Midwest where, you know, everybody's wearing their pajamas and UGG boots and  that kind of crap.  I'm sorry, but yeah. This is crossing over the borders, you know, [00:08:00] into the whites, too I don't get it.

How are you going to sit up here and go shopping or go to the mall or do whatever, and you up here in your pajama pants and some UGG boots. 

Aaron: You're absolutely right. It has been for a while.  Maybe the angle here is Monique. Needs a job. 

Tamu: I don't know. I mean, I can understand, like, I don't necessarily see people sporting bonnets.

You do see our friends wearing the durags or whatever. Back in the day,  chicks in high school wearing just their Doobies. Right. They wouldn't even put a scarf on their heads. They just, when you had your hair in a wrap people used to wrap their hair around their heads and then it would smooth everything out and then you take it down and you have a nice straight Bob.

Aaron: Oh, yup. Yup. 

Tamu: That's a wrap

Aaron: is a Doobie. Oh, I didn't know. It had a formal new line. I just called it the wrap. Interesting. Sorry. 

Tamu: Their hair wrapped. And then they come to school like that and then they take it out at certain points of [00:09:00] time during the day. And that was it. It was kind of like no big deal, and then, you'd see like ladies with like curlers in their hair with a scarf on it.

If they have to run to the store or something like that, but like full blown ass travel. 

Aaron: Yeah, we are very casual with our travel. Now I was thinking about that the other I watched Mad Men in a month, the whole season, and people used to wear suits and shit.

It was a fine affair. It was a white affair to be perfectly honest, but it was a fine affair to dress up.  I just remember myself. Bitch. If this thing goes down, you are in flip-flops and gym shorts, we are comfortable now. It's very funny. I mean, I do try and wear actual clothes when I travel now, but it depends on where I'm going.

Wow. I don't like this. I don't appreciate that silence. I want to be comfortable when I travel. 

Tamu: I understand it. I don't know. I still have, anxiety about traveling. So at least I need to be able to wear long pants. So in case I have to fashion it into [00:10:00] like an inner tube to, to keep myself afloat, I can do that.

So I keep that in the back of my mind.

Aaron: I always think about that chair. And I was thinking like, how the fuck am I going to get this off like, I'm just like routinely in my mind, like, how am I pull this shit off? And if this motherfucker sit next to me, move, like, what's my next move. Like, that's, those are my thoughts on the plane. Like, how am I getting off it?

Well, obviously it's different with my children, but the grab them and go, yeah, it's totally us. We got to catch a flight 

Tamu: for you

Aaron: anyway. I digress. I'm sorry.  I think the bonnet is, it just takes it. It's more of an intimate. Slash you don't hop on a plane in it. 

Tamu: Yeah. I'm going to sleep in that. If I'm going to not do my hair, I'm going to put on a hat or I'm going to do a head wrap. You can slap on a wig, you know, options, but I'm just like, I'm just going to get up and slap on [00:11:00] my sleep hat.

Aaron: We're being judgy because like, you know what, if that bitch was comfortable in her sleep, hat, let her wear her sleep hat. I get what we're saying though. I mean, but really think about this too.   Our entire existence and being  is about a formality in situations and codes that were constructed by white people.

Yeah. Right. So that's why I say I don't know. It's just different. I will say I am less judgmental of folks that would do it now. And more like understanding that they're just kind of being their best self and that's cool. 

Tamu: Is it their best self? Because I'm fairly confident they're having a Louie bag, YSL pants and some fucking Louboutins in their goddamn suitcases.

But we sit up here walking around.

Aaron: Are we really spending this much air time talking about a bonnet? 

Tamu: Yes, we are. 

Aaron:  You know what, there are many, many phases of the beautiful black woman and some of them [00:12:00] should stay indoors. And some of them should not that's to the, to the distinction of said black woman. So. To Quan and them want to go on out with a bonnet on, okay.

Tamu:  I'm not just making this about the ladies. I have an issue with the men as well, durags and all that shit. Like we don't have to do any of that. you know, you could get your waves at home. You don't have to do that shit outside. 

Aaron: That's true. It's true. 

Tamu:  All I'm saying is you could at least make slight effort at the airport or when you going on the train, 

Aaron: just look good to die. Is the message, is that correct? 

Tamu:  I mean, you're not going to die, knock on wood.

 I get kind of what she's saying in terms of we still have so far to come, obviously very clearly and very definitively in this world as black people. I get the part of it  which is giving people one more thing to say, right? She didn't roll up here and say the bitches who are sitting around wearing their,  fleece old Navy pants and [00:13:00] UGG boots at the airports, they need to also come correct.

She didn't give the white people that she went directly to us 

Aaron: I get it. 

Tamu: Unfortunately, we still live in this world where, and to me, it's also about function. Like, is this really functional? Probably not. Like you could just do something, right? You could put a shoe on your foot. That's covered because you don't know what's going to happen to me again. You don't know what's going to happen on the plane.

You don't know what you're going to get into proper footwear is appropriate. Fuzzy slippers. Maybe not maybe carry them in your bag. 

Aaron: If you're wearing like some, some heavy Tims on the plane and you gotta slide down the plane into the water, them Tim's coming off. So just wear some flip flops.

Tamu: No, because what if you're not in the water, if you on dry ass land shit's on fire, you Tims may help you, 

Aaron: I suppose. 

Tamu: In [00:14:00] the back of my mind, I just keep hearing about mother and be like, bitch don't ever don't you ever don't you ever, I just hear her in the back of my mind.

Bad enough. I wear jeans everywhere I go. That used to be terrible. 

Aaron: Really? 

Tamu: Yeah. Jeans. Nobody wore jeans really back in the day. 

Aaron:  Well, I'm from Texas, so that's probably where we differ.

Tamu:  I remember I always wanted to wear jeans to work. None of that stuff. 

Aaron: That's true. Yes. It's fucking stupid. Bullshit. Hated this stupid 

 I used to work at, a department store chain.

That's now a national chain in Florida, and ain't trying to give no free press.  It was Miami, right? So  I think there was a suggestion about dress code in the office. And it was loosely followed I remember reading a memo. You may not wear heels that are above six inches and you may not wear like lace tanks unless you have a jacket over them.

And I was like, oh my, [00:15:00] this is because all this thotin' and trottin' that's going on at the office.

Yeah, I hated dress codes.. I work from home now and I just love the fact that I can just roll out nasty, you know, I brushed my teeth so I can have nice, pretty teeth and wash my face, but like I can roll out nasty and be like good morning and I don't have to put on any clothes.

I have to put on clothes, but I don't have to like wear a suit or whatever. I really wonder how the market's going to change,  how the office space will change. You know, when you're in these spaces now where you are, they're very, they were casual to begin with. I remember like wearing, I wear jeans a lot, even though I was supposed to.

Tamu:  In my old job, I used to wear jeans as much as I possibly could. And I remember when we worked at the other retail giant, you could only wear jeans on Fridays, and then like they gave you special days when you could  buy tickets to [00:16:00] wear jeans all week and all that kind of shit that would go to charity, 

Aaron: such bullshit, fucking bullshit.

And, and you know half of those people never bought those fucking tickets in the first place.  They used to do  stickers. Yeah. You have a sticker, but who's really fucking police in that. Like, if somebody's going to pull you aside, be like a bitch, where's your sticker at? 

Tamu: Hold on now, dungarees in the workplace.

Aaron: Yeah. I'm sure they pulled my black ass over. I always made sure I had a sticker. You ain't going to get me Henry. 

Tamu: Wow. But that has changed obviously. Now they're like, do whatever the fuck you it's interesting to see how. Those things have changed as we've moved forward in working dynamics.

Now it's just like, make sure you have pants on right before you get on your zoom call. 

Aaron: Right. I know that I'm pretty sure that I have taken a couple calls in my night gown, but we didn't have cameras then it was before my current position. Although I do always turn my camera on, but back then, like, no.

 Now you really have to get dressed because people want to see you. So I have to at least, you know, fake the funk from the neck up. I mean, oh my God. From the waist up [00:17:00]

Tamu:  We can now put bonnets and durags to bed 

Aaron: and now we can wear them on our zoom calls. It sounds like. 

Tamu: Can you imagine, 

Aaron: you know, it happens 

Tamu: That can only be in an all black environment that you can be like, okay. Bitch, look, here's what's up. Okay. I'm doing a deep condition right now. So 

Aaron: my calendar is blocked. I'm a wash this shit out in 20 minutes 

Tamu: It's wash day and this meeting just popped up on my calendar, so,

Aaron: okay. Oh my God. Oh my God. You know, it 

happens. It 

happens, you know, it happens. Oh my God. 

Tamu: Someone would be like, wow Tamu,, that's a really great hat.

Maybe you could push it forward and make it look like a beret. 

 Let's move on to, the unfortunate circumstances in the Latino world due to In the [00:18:00] Heights. 

Aaron: Are you talking about the colorism? what do you think about that? 

Tamu: Oh, I have so much to think  about it as we all know those of us who have followed us on this podcast, I have a colorism issue big time.

also because I am an Afro Latino or Latina, whatever your Latin net, whatever the fuck we call ourselves. Now there's so many ways. Whatever my family is Dominican, Puerto Rican and then black Caribbeans. Okay. So there we go. I know full well how racist Spanish people are to each other all across the Latin American diaspora. Everybody's a motherfucking racist because colonialism. nothing new here and nothing surprising. just the fact that Lin Manuel Miranda didn't even think about it..

You can't talk about Washington Heights full of black Dominicans, full of Dominican's period, full of dark people who look like me and you who are Dominican nary a one represented as a main character or anybody with a speaking part. They had some black people sprinkler [00:19:00] around in the background, his dancers, that's it.

 I believe from what I was reading, the person who directed In the Heights also directed,  Crazy Rich Asians and dark skinned Asians had that same problem with Crazy Rich Asians. This is just not a problem. within the Latin communities, this is a problem across the globe, right. Everybody hates being dark and everybody hates darkness.

Aaron:  It really is shocking to me that this movie would be released and it was tone deaf, perhaps it was created,  before the pandemic, before all this happened, regardless. there has been such an outcry for diversity in film, and here are this Latino man is here, you know, with his great opportunity.

And his statement is. He didn't know,  I don't know maybe, but he should have known better. Number one, he's the Latino and whatever. 

Tamu: I don't know about that because he's a white, Latino, right? Yeah. So he's a, light-skinned white looking Puerto [00:20:00] Rican. Right. And he's, light-skinned Puerto Rican.

Him just saying, I want to get, yeah. Puerto Rican's out here. I want to get into it. I want to get Spanish people out here is very different than trying to tackle the deep seated colorism that it is pervasive throughout. Our cultures,  so he's just saying, well, great. I'm going to get Puerto Rican's in here.

Oh, Hey, you're Puerto Rican here. He doesn't have to think about it because he's a, light-skinned Puerto Rican. He doesn't even have to think about it. He just it's like, fuck it. We got Spanish people up in here. We got a movie, we got a blockbuster with Spanish people, 

Aaron:  I'm sure there's the, corporate influence too, right?

Tamu: I'm sure. Maybe he is, you know, Hamilton, he can do whatever you want. 

Aaron: That's true too. But he can't pay for that movie, he couldn't fund that movie himself. He's got financial backers and I'm sure there's still,  as much as we see black people. More now every day, all the time, they're still hold out.

So there's still things that are being [00:21:00] produced that are not diverse. The Heights doesn't actually surprise me because,  movie has always not represented folks well at all, especially people of color, 

Tamu: but I believe that people had. Hope and faith in Lin to do this differently because he's , Lin whatever that means.

 The fact that he didn't, and then the fact that  Rita Moreno came out and then she was like, why are we even talking about this right now? We just need to leave it alone. And it's like, bitch, what the fuck? Stop? 

Aaron: Right. 

Tamu: Grandma you saying the wrong things. You're saying you're racist -ness.

Now's not the time. the funniest part is that for her role in West Side Story, they darkened her skin. So the fuck are you talking about lady? you know, But again, because she is not a dark skinned, Hispanic person, she doesn't have that same [00:22:00] experience, but she got successful playing a darker skinned Hispanic person.

Aaron: Have you seen the Heights? Do you still want to see it? Are you? 

Tamu: I never wanted to see that. I'm happy that there's a movie with Hispanic people in it. That's great.

Aaron:  My kids want to see it. It's interesting that we're having this conversation about the Heights because, my kids, they're aware of the controversy.

Right. And in their minds, they're almost like why is this such a big deal? You know, like it's not a big deal to us. in my heart, I love that because like our kids don't give a fuck. Right. But  then I have to explain the reason why, because son, I want you to look  in that movie and see someone that you can identify with.

I want you to go to your science or your music teacher and see someone that, that you can identify with. And, lots of other kids, right? 

Tamu: I wonder too, if it's the same thing that has been perpetuated throughout the generations of we're just conditioned not to really think that there's anything wrong with that, because that's just what we've seen all the time.

Aaron: Right. 

Tamu: So when he's like, [00:23:00] eh, I don't know what the big deal is. Do you really understand? You know what I mean? Like, do they get that. it's different because reasons. 

Aaron: For those who are new, hello,  we are in a mixed race household. We're an interracial. Couple, we have biracial children, some look black, some look white, and we  at one time, had an extended, that family with even more diversity.

so I often think sometimes, maybe in my kids' granted, it's chaos 24 7, but  this is the world. To them. Right. So  it's not a big deal to them here. Right. And I think Rich and myself definitely have probably in the last couple of years, there's more race talk because it's sort of been at the forefront of things.

And so now we're having more of those conversations and obviously last year, definitely we're having those conversations. So  I wonder sometimes too, if we. Didn't talk about it enough or introduce it because of the fact that we're a rainbow coalition and that's what we wanted  our kids [00:24:00] to emulate.

Which they do, right. They're great kids. They have great friends, To some degree, these kids need to know the why, you know, why are we like this or why we're so passionate about this. Right. And that's the part they're not getting, you know, like they just see the article about colorism and they're like, oh, it's racism, blah, blah, blah, or whatever,  instead of understanding representation and what it really means.

Tamu:  Even in reading some of the comments, even on Twitter and stuff, it's funny to me to see black people being like, well, what's the problem? What's your big deal and it's kind of like, what do you mean? What the problem? What's the problem. What's the big deal. 

Aaron: My husband's still up and I got a chance.

Tamu: So bottom line is I think that It's been good people, acknowledging the fact that.

you know, it's not quote unquote, a black, white African-American thing going on here. This is pervasive across spectrum all over the world.

We've got a lot to repair when it comes to dealing with color in every culture. 

[00:25:00] I think that, people should just let the Spanish folks have their time. let them, you know, sort it out. Lin has apologized and said he will do better next time. Whatever that means. I think maybe it was  an eye-opening experience for him too, to be like, oh, you know I didn't even think about that.

He probably didn't. 

Aaron: It's learned white behavior. Right.  Perpetuated time and time over and over and over again.  That's the backbone of our behaviors, how we interact in the world and how we do everything. The other thing I was going to tell you really quickly, the soul of America, they had a little segment about , soul food and there's this black guy who was an opera singer in the eighties. He opened up a soul food a restaurant in New York somewhere. Do you know this guy? You're familiar with him? I forgot his name.

He describes soul food as like a black person's experience. Right? Like that food was scraps for us. It was the shit food. Right. And then  what you hear about like Southern food or Southern comfort food he's like that's [00:26:00] almost copying or is it appropriations,  There was a very interesting documentary.

There's so many stories  there's so many things to unearth that are just going to overwhelm the fuck out of us. You know what I mean?

Like there was a story about a guy, a black farmer, and he's,  fighting for the land. He said we were promised  40 acres and a mule, and for him, he said,  land ownership is the number one,  for black wealth  and we can't own land. No one can.

And they're trying to take it away. The interesting  statement he made was at one time, the USDA was the last plantation. And I was like, Ooh. 

Tamu: Hello? 

Aaron: Right. But the facts, they couldn't get loans or whatever, but there's  so many stories, I found myself getting emotional about the Tulsa, watching the Tulsa details.

I watched a couple of specials. it's going to be rough. I think, I shouldn't say rough; overwhelming. I want to know. Right. I want to learn. I want to understand, and we all need to under understand, but it's going to be not a nice journey.

Tamu: it's [00:27:00] not a nice journey. but it doesn't matter because we won't have to learn it anyway. So whatever it'll be illegal. Okay. we'll get to 

Aaron: through Netflix. Come through Netflix.

Tamu: our favorite hair, tragedy has now turned her tragedy into triumph. 

Aaron: really talking about this bitch? Oh, no.

Tamu: Tessica, the gorilla glue girl. woman now has a hair care line.

Aaron: girl. Oh my God. 

Tamu: I sent it to 

Aaron: So I, admittedly, I skimmed them. And the headlines that something about she had, you know, the hair, the girl that had her hair glued, ha look at her now or something. So I thought that was the article. I did not know that she had her own hair care line. Oh, Jesus girl. 

Tamu: yep. 

Aaron: Well, congratulations Tessica..

Tamu: She's got a hair, care line. She's also selling some merch,  with her picture and the gorilla glue, you know, the picture that went viral back in February. She's doing her thing. [00:28:00] She's making her money. She's selling her products for like $15 a pop 

Aaron: Sorry, what? $15 a pop for her hair care? What is it? 

Tamu: It's a hair oil there's going to be an edge cream edge like gel. And I think there's like a hair hairspray or hair smoother down or whatever. And they're like $15 a piece. 

Aaron: Would you trust it? 

Tamu: Hell no!

Aaron: she could Have put some gorilla glue up in that shit.

Tamu: Well, I mean it keeps your hair straight and keeps it down for a minute.

Aaron: You don't move. I know you've seen the music videos, so only part I know

Tamu: Wow. 

if you're ever in the mood to try a new hair products, check out Tessa, because I can't remember the name of them. It's called forever hair. TB, forever hair. 

Aaron: oh, TB made it for them for her. but isn't there like a TB. 

TCB I knew it was something I'm such a bad black. Y'all I'm sorry. 

Tamu: She's [00:29:00] also has bonded for life merchandise, so bonded. Get it hair bonded, a hoodie for $50. Okay. Sweat pants for $45.

She's making her cash 

Aaron: what, make that bag sis whatever. Take them 15 minutes. It makes them Karsh. 

Tamu: turning that glue into gold. 

Aaron: didn't gorilla glue, do something for her.

Tamu: No, I don't think so.

Aaron: I still can't believe she put gorilla glue in her hair. Why? Who thought that was a good idea? 

Tamu: She did 

Aaron: Bless her heart. Bless her. Precious heart. Congratulations. 

Tamu: well, bless her heart. She did some stupidness. She's getting probably gonna make ass loads of money off of it. That's just 

Aaron:  What did we do wrong in our lives? That's a lot. I'm thinking like, what stupid shit can we come up with? 

Tamu: I know. 

Aaron: We shouldn't  post our squad cast videos online on YouTube, and we could just become celebrities 

Tamu: Sure. This is exciting. 

Aaron: this too. I'm in the laundry room with gay hands.

What does [00:30:00] that have to do with the price of tea in China? They ask

don't nobody care. That's my son to see I'm with them. Don't no money.

Tamu: Anyway, we, I still have seven minutes left in Juneteenth. Your Juneteenth is now over, but it was Juneteenth 

Aaron: happy Juneteenth. 

Tamu: Yup. 

Aaron: How did you celebrate?

Tamu: I took care of old white lady. 

Aaron: no. I went to a, hibachi grill. That's how we celebrate it. I felt that we were sitting down and my kids were, it was all of us. we just had a busy day. And I just said, no matter what, I'm not fucking cooking. And luckily me and my baby daddy were on the same page. 

We haven't really we've gone out separately. Right. But we've not all been out. It's such a bitch to get a table for eight people, especially now. So, we went out and I was just [00:31:00] sitting there and I was just like, This is some shit I'm sitting here in an Asian restaurant on Juneteenth.. I should be like at Mavis's Soul Food, laughing it up with the gravy and biscuits.

Tamu: Is there a soul food in Maine? 

Aaron: I just found one today. There's a Jamaican place too. I have this really strong desire to try other foods and see where my people are. Right. And expose my kids to that. I'm from Texas as you know, and I knew of Juneteenth and I know the story. I didn't know the specific details. but I knew  about Juneteenth? Just living in Texas. It was so random last year when it came up, I was just like the fuck.

And then for whatever reason, it became a holiday. And then I was just like, you know what, after really, really, really understanding the story. I was kind of like, you know what, hell yeah, this is our freedom day. But I didn't do anything different. I mean, we don't do anything different on the 4th of July.

It's right. We. Eat ate. 

Tamu: Juneteenth not [00:32:00] anything that we really did up north. I mean, I knew that there was something called Juneteenth.

 But it wasn't anything that we celebrated in our black family. So that could be cultural because we're Caribbeans. But, it wasn't anything that was like a huge deal and celebration and all that kind of 

Aaron: Are you surprised?

Tamu: No, I'm  surprised? that they are making such a big deal about It Now I think this is one of those. Let's just give them this so they can shut the hell up when we take away their voting rights and then all the other bullshit. that's kind of why I'm also feeling a little bit weird about Juneteenth. 

It's just kinda like y'all can get together to do this with y'all can get together to make sure that we can vote and y'all, can't get together to make sure that we don't die in these streets and that we can eat and support and feed our families.

These are the important things. Like if you want to really show me freedom day, do that stuff. Get rid of our student loan debts. Like let's do the things that we need to do out here. Pardon me. And I know that this  might sound [00:33:00] disrespectful, but I don't give a fuck about some national holiday that I'm never going to get time off for 

Aaron: Really

Tamu: probably not.

This shit just happen yesterday. Like what the fuck? 

Aaron: think again.

Tamu: I'm just saying, let's be real here. How many of these holidays do we actually get off? Most places make you compromise on Martin Luther king. Either you get that off, you don't get president's day off, or you have to take it separately as PTO in some places that you work at nothing. 

Aaron: That's true. 

Tamu: So I'd rather you take my fucking time that you're wasting and my money and give me the things that I voted you in the fucking system for 

Aaron: It's very true.

Tamu: that's broke. This is placating me. Don't placate me. We're not fucking stupid. We know what you're doing. 

Aaron: I agree. It is definitely. It's a pacifier, I think we're a good balance because like you're the rage that I should be. And then I'm more the kumbaya bitch that I,  should not be,  the significance is not lost, right? Like even, even still it's reactionary.

Right. We're in a reaction, Part of American history, they're righting wrongs [00:34:00] left and right. Which is great.  You know what I'm saying? 

Tamu: You need to give me the list of the rights that they wronged? 

Aaron: well, 

Tamu: None. None, none, none. 

Aaron: That's true. But we got Juneteenth.

Tamu: The fuck cares, bitch. You can't vote and you can't even tell people what Juneteenth.

is about because of the stupid ass CRT bullshit  you can't even talk about why Juneteenth is a thing. 

Aaron: Yes, I understand. I understand. I understand. But there's significance in recognition of the holiday. That's all I'm saying. I totally get everything you're saying. You're absolutely right. Like it's just lipstick on a pig and they're not getting to the real issues, but for some people there is significance in this day and the acknowledgement.

Tamu: Fair, but for those people, they were acknowledging it. And now you can't have people understand why this needs to be acknowledged because they're trying to make it illegal for you to do so. 

Aaron: that's just in schools, right?

Tamu: Well. Where else do you get your education? 

Aaron: just saying, like people use, some [00:35:00] people have access to supplemental information all over the place. Kids are resourceful.

Tamu: the shit. Show that we're in because of the supplemental information people are finding on Facebook. 

Aaron: I'm not talking about Facebook, I'm talking about finding out 

Tamu: Where else are people going to go get information from? 

Aaron: I don't know. Maybe they're, I'm sure they're just like we find information about cancer or disease or whatever. Why can't, they're not for what they're trying to do with critical race theory. I'm just simply saying, they would be able to still learn it.

 There's the internet, there's the media there's television there. CBS is not banned from talking about critical race theory. Are they? It's just in the schools.

Tamu: It's just history. They're calling it. This it's just history. Critical race theory is taught in college and law school grad school, but it's nothing to do with elementary schools, our education system, and let's be real.

You nor I never knew shit about Tulsa until we're in our forties. 

Aaron: of course not. I think the point is though we already [00:36:00] know they're going to try and stop telling the real story. And that's where we, as a people come in with those lessons for our family, for people, maybe it's, you know, someone's got a media outlet or these specials that we see, I'm just saying there's other ways.

 By no means, am I defending. Let me stop and say this, even if critical race theory was taught in primary schools, Even if it wouldn't be the truth period, anyway, we already know that. So whatever version of critical race theory they introduced to the schools,  let's happy path, this let's say, oh my God, , they're fine with it.

It's not going to be the truth. And you're always going to have to seek out more information. And I think as parents and adults, like that's part of our job now I see is discerning for my children and myself, quite frankly, okay,  what did they talk to you about 

 Me give you a little more detail into that. What questions do you have? That's what I'm saying and it's not going to be every home.

Tamu: But I feel like you pay money and your taxes to have your kids get an education. [00:37:00] So you shouldn't have to be, one's doing that. Like they should be coming home telling you some shit that you didn't know about because you didn't learn it in school and they're learning it now. 

Aaron: that's the whole education system is all fucked up anyway.

Tamu: I don't a hundred percent believe that the onus should be like, now you have to homeschool your 

Aaron: No, no, that's not what I'm saying. Not at all.

Tamu: learning it. And then they are learning something that's wrong. And then you're telling them what's not wrong. You know what I mean?  It confuses everything. So what's the point then? 

Aaron: I mean, that's part of the problem too, I see it personally as a parent, like we depend on the schools to teach our children 

Tamu: they're the professionals allegedly. 

Aaron: Well, regardless, like professional or not, we're paying people. We expect our teachers to teach our kids everything. So us as parents are off the hook to talk about critical race theory because the schools now do it.

You know what I'm 

Tamu: well, I think that 

Aaron: Like it's going to be a ho

Tamu: kids math, reading history, science. 

Aaron: yes.

Tamu: , and [00:38:00] sexual health, you teach your kids how to be normal, moral human beings, et cetera, et cetera. But basic history of this country should be taught in school. 

Aaron: who learns the basic history of this country, who can say they got that education? Besides a history major, maybe.

Tamu:  A history major should have all of that information. But even in school, the history that we're learning is whitewash history. So no one knows anything about anything. And so we're just raising ignorant people, 

Aaron: right. That's why we have to supplement. That's what I'm saying. The 

Tamu: But then what's the point of view spending money to have your kids go to school, just fucking, teach him yourself. 

Aaron: Well, because I have a job and I work and there are fundamentals. Do I want my school system to teach the truth? Absolutely. But we're in a system. , what can I truly do at this point, other than get involved in blah, blah, blah and whatever. We do what we can, right.  In my opinion,  I would love for the truth to be taught in schools.

We know it's not going to happen. So it is my job as a parent to, supplement where necessary. And I think we [00:39:00] all do, like, I mean, we didn't learn everything. We just talked about that right now. We are having to learn. I think it's going to be generations before it's anything like the truth.

Maybe one generation anyway. 

Tamu: generations. 

Aaron: Well, of course, yes, but you know, it is what it is. 

Tamu: Okay.

Oh, he who has still hasn't finished reading Stamped. Good luck. Teaching kids about African American history. 

Aaron: the kids version. It's so cute. I haven't read it yet though. I need to find it. Where did it go?

There's documentaries.

Tamu: Sometimes the book is good as well. 

Aaron: We listen to books on audio. I read I'm just busy.

Tamu: And that's where you send your kids to school 

Aaron: That's right.

Tamu: Okay.  We're done with  all of our outside topics. We've really gotten nowhere on any of them. We're not an agreement on anything today, except Tessica's haircare product line, Maybe In the Heights, colorism. 

Aaron: little bit. Yeah. Whatever, whatever.

Tamu: take it away, sir. 

Aaron: Where are we going? Oh my God, is this is this, is this it? [00:40:00] I wish I had cued up some like gay ass fucking music for this. 

Tamu: Well, our theme song is pretty gay. 

Aaron: It is pretty gay. It is very gay. Right? 

Tamu: It's prideful. 

Aaron: It is prideful so happy pride month. I'm the token gay here.  

Tamu: Hello, token gay, 

Aaron:  I'm here to whoop it up for pride.

 Are you doing anything? Tamu is not a lesbian. I just want to say that. She's an ally.

Tamu: I'm an ally. 

Aaron: She's an ally. are you doing anything in Minneapolis? Are you doing any other things?

Tamu: No, we're still in an, a pandemic, so there's that.

 Aaron: The 19th wave coming soon. 

Tamu: I don't have any of my peoples here to celebrate with and I'm sorry, but I feel the same way that I feel about all the pandering that they're doing with like black lives matter shit. Like everything now is a fucking rainbow. 

Aaron:  Prior to kids, Yeah, we did pride. I lived in Texas and we used to go to Hippie Hollow every year, which is a nude beach. It's not really a beach. It's more like a lake with rocks [00:41:00] everywhere that drunk people set on naked.

I was not naked, but anyway, it was fun to watch. so we got to Hippie Hollow, we'd just go out and do pride things and get drunk and be stupid and have sex. Of course.  Then fast forward to meeting Rich. And Richard's a little bit older than me and we were in our thirties when we met. Well, I was in my twenties.

That's when I was in my twenties. He was in his thirties. So he's a lot older than me. and so I still like to go out, but I dunno, Pride was just a hassle to me. You have to pay a bunch of fucking money. And you have to deal with stupid drunk people. And then the parade in Minnesota, especially there was an off chance that there could be cold weather or it could be hotter than fuck.

And it just wasn't fun with kids. I mean, it was fun and I don't know, I'm just not a big,  I'm a bad gay, first of all, I'm the worst person to have to do this because I have cravings of Chick-fil-A and I don't do. The pride parade, but  I'm very prideful. Like my house has a pride thing.

 This is probably my segue to like how they've  created [00:42:00] this. I dunno, all-inclusive flag. I don't know what the fuck they're calling it, but this all inclusive flag with all these colors and everybody has it and there's black and brown and blah, blah, blah, I think the HRC originated that. Am I wrong? Did they start that? Or somebody else? 

Tamu: I don't know. 

Aaron: . I don't know where they came from. I don't want to say, I don't want to be misquoted as saying it was HRC. Cause I don't know, but it's like everything else, right?

It's interesting that you talk about the Latino community and growing up, Afro Latino, and having to deal with the colorism, the racism that's there. And then thinking about just like the racism that exists, even colorism that exists within the gay community.

I lived in DC for a time and there were two. Pride parades, one called the black pride and the other was just the pride parade. And I think they like combined them last year.  I remember being out in Texas and I was always attracted to Mexican.

Uh, I shouldn't say Mexicans, but yeah, mostly Mexicans, Latinos, Hi boys. And, Probably white guys too. Anyway, I wasn't [00:43:00] desirable to them and it was, like a color thing. I didn't think I was ugly.

But anyway,  not a great thing for your ego, like very insecure. And I remember moving to Miami and it was better there. Miami is international.  I had fun. And then I remember moving to Minnesota and I felt like I was a hot commodity in Minnesota.  I don't know if people were trying to fulfill fantasies or what, but, I had great luck.

Obviously. I met my husband in Minnesota, so I had great luck there, but. Just a really segregated experience, even there, going to the, I think it was the Gay 90s or The Saloon. The Saloon was primarily white. Granted, Minnesota is primarily white. there's spots in between there.

I think the Gay 90s I felt like it was segregated.  There's  an urban area and then there's  a dance area or whatever.  I personally, don't think black people are seen in those spaces.  They're just not seen and like myself  as a gay man, I would say that was the feeling, just not being seen,  in those spaces.

 I do think that probably New York. I don't know, [00:44:00] New York is just more cultured.  I really wanted to move to New York when I was younger. Just could never get my shit together to move there. I think the experience there for a gay person, regardless of your background, I think it's a better experience.

It's probably a little segregated and racist too, but  there's more of a melting pot in those communities 

Tamu:  In talking to my cousin, who struggled  in New York,  as a young gay man, he was having  these same issues of the racism. And  I wanna say like fetishes, fetishism, fetishism, 

Aaron: Oh, 

Tamu:  I can't even say it, forget it. That kind of a thing, that exotic, let me get this  black, whatever. 

His experience was not positive in New York to the point where he was like, I'd have, get the fuck outta here. it's bullshit. 

 Aaron: I remember moving to Minnesota and it was the first time you saw gay flags, in suburban houses. Like we lived at 40th in Chicago and had a flag out and other houses had a flag out. And I had never seen that before, even though the scene there in Minnesota was kind of dying too, [00:45:00] because people were just partnered there.

Minneapolis is a pretty progressive city. I never felt like there was a real big gay community, but I also feel like there's a really big white gay community. I just wasn't a part of it,  and so we went where we went and I think too,  especially in Austin,  there were black guys that were interested in me and I've had relation, I shouldn't say relationships I've had 

Tamu: dalliances 

Aaron: dalliances with  some black men and, it was fine.

It was just our relationship just didn't work out for me. probably, it's daddy issues, right? I didn't want someone like my dad too, but  I was an equal opportunity type a gay man back in the day. Gay black people within the community that are in the white space at least.

 It's the same thing as like, when I characterized on one episode about walking down in DC and, it's the first time ever seeing black professionals and no one acknowledges anyone. Right. The same as kind of true within the gay community too. Like we're all just sort of keeping our head down and,  keeping it moving [00:46:00] or whatever.

I hope that, folks are really having an inward look,  at their role in the system.

And the racism that exists within our own community, like we're marginalized people and we should be Truly standing side by side, but  there are gay people that this is not their problem. Just like there are white people in my community that this is not their problem. You know, 

Tamu:  At the end of the day, they're all just white people, regardless of 

Aaron: You still have 

Tamu: who they love. They're just white folks.  They're still white men. They're still white women. 

Aaron: Yup.

Tamu: There are still white people who are gonna still be white. 

Aaron: right. 

Tamu: And I think that might be the issue is that, they just don't consider themselves that because they're gay.

They think that like, oh, I can't be racist because I'm gay, which makes no sense. 

Aaron: That's true. I'm already a marginalized person 

Tamu: Right. So how Can I be racist? 

Aaron: Right or, yes, it's true. I just remember folks  trying to compare the civil rights movement to the gay rights movement. [00:47:00] And it's not, it really isn't like the only reason in my personal opinion, that AIDS and HIV in America got any attention is because white men were dying truly.

That's it. There was no attention given for the probably disproportionate amount of black folks dying, but until white folks, started speaking up with their privilege, nothing was done.

Tamu: Well, look at the opioid crisis, 

Same thing. And the fact Stonewall was whitewashed and completely erase the people of color who stood up and actually created that movement in New York to begin with. 

Aaron: I understand what you say about whitewashed education now, because  I've read about Stonewall, but that's true. It is a white man story,  it's the white uprising, the white gay man uprising. No one talks about the black community and like just the influence of black culture within the gay society, just all over the place,  and the lack of credit that's given. 

Tamu: It's sad that even within our [00:48:00] subcultures, it's still broken down into the categories of hierarchy.  And that's still that same fucking structure of white men and then white women, 

Aaron: Yeah. 

Tamu: and then everybody else in the black people at The end.

Aaron: The very end.

Tamu: It's just in literally every single strata of the way that we live our lives. And I think once you get rid of that, then you have class, right. Then you have poor people, rich people, and then you still break it down. 

It's unfortunate. That color  is the commonality throughout and the thread that takes everything through. And it feels like it's, never going to be eradicated

out of the systems. 

Aaron: it'll be a long, long flush, 

Tamu: Like you said, you were already in a marginalized system, we shouldn't even be having these conversations of who's better. We should all be loving each other. Right. Love wins. why does that love have to be categorized? 

Aaron: I think too, like the gay community is really sexually charged I think because the history of being gay there's [00:49:00] just a stigma with being gay.

And so sexual desires  or sex with men was underground shit. It was done in dirty places.  When I say things like, I never thought I would be married. Well, no one wanted to do anything, but fuck quite honestly. And there's been such an evolution, which I'm so happy about because we're not just about sex, right. It's about a loving relationship for some just like for straight people or other people, period. It is about sex and that's fine, 

Tamu:  For some people it's about wanting to  settle down and have a relationship. I mean, it's the same across, regardless of where you're fucking 

Aaron: right. 

Tamu: or who you want to be with. 

Aaron: And I think the great thing is just like, people, especially young kids and even my kids, I don't know what's going to happen with my kids, but for them to see that they have a choice, I tell my kids all the time, whoever you love is fine by me.

I want them to hear that and know that  does not matter to me, you know? And it truly doesn't unless he's he or she is a complete fuck-up and just. Sucking you dry and whatever, but [00:50:00] anyway, 

Tamu: a good way. 

Aaron: that's right. Definitely not the way you think.  I have hope that our kids they're going to do better than us,  it's just good to see that we have options now.

It'd be nice to see that everybody has options within the gay community and that everybody feels welcomed when they walk in the door.

Tamu: that was going to be my next question Trans people are really experiencing, Austria ostracization. Why can't I speak tonight 

Aaron: know what's 

Tamu: being ostracized and, , not being able to use the bathroom and people freaking out because they think that they're going to rape their kids or whatever the fuck it is.

And you've got all of these black women getting beaten up by stupid straight men who are being stupid.  I don't know if you can really. Addresses either, but It doesn't appear that trans people are even really welcomed within your community.

Aaron: It does feel that way a little bit. It does, I'm definitely guilty of it, of course, everybody loves the drag queen. Right. Everybody knows a drag queen. And you know, like I think we all grew up knowing that [00:51:00] person or that drag queen  that was their stage,  and then they were Henry in real life for myself, admittedly, I certainly probably got introduced more to trans folks by nature of my husband and the work that he did.  Just meeting really amazing trans people.  Some are really good friends that I didn't even know were trans until they opened up to me about it.

And it didn't matter either way, I think partly too trans is a secret . It's also something or misunderstood in the gay community. If I'm doing my own thinking, 

Until you've been introduced to someone or, you know, someone and you understand their journey as a trans person, your mind certainly changes. I think there's more awareness. but I almost equate the trans woman to  the black woman in the black community. Right. Because it is all about George Floyd, and the men that have died, which  I'm not diminishing its importance, but it's also important, that there are women being killed as well.

There are women being raped and et cetera.  Their experience within our community is that they do [00:52:00] not have a voice, right. That they're not understood. They're not heard, this is me talking, like not in the pulse of the gay community, just what I know about trans people that I know period, it'll evolve too, I would agree that they're certainly not in the fold as much, again too, that's going to become pop culture. It's going to be it's reactive, 

Tamu:  Pose has helped with that as well. And it's unfortunate that that had to be something that needed to be a thing to have help usher in. Gay people have had those same experiences of having to do things underground and having it be considered taboo before they quote unquote became mainstream.

Why would you knowing how that felt for you to go through that experience? make other people feel that same way.  That's the part about,  humanity that's shitty  it's different kill it. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But people felt the same way about you, right?

People felt that same way. why would you make other people feel that way as well? No one said you have to bang them, they are a part of [00:53:00] the fabric of the group. And they bring something to it that elevates it. 

Aaron: that's funny your statement about, them not wanting to fuck you. I swear to God, like sometimes, Rich and I will be out or  we'll have a repairman come here or something. And I swear to God, they just  look at me like as if, because I'm married to a white man and they're like, oh, this bitch wants some of this.

And I'm like, no, but what I want you to fix my freezer,  It's like that level of insecurity, or I don't know, really know what it is. I certainly don't walk around thinking everybody wants to fuck me. Cause like what? No. It always baffles me they're so worried about getting fucked, like no 

Tamu: I don't know where,  part of it, and I'm assuming we're talking about straight men at this point,  part of it's like, well, do you want to be. You know, like why would you think that no one walks around thinking, oh my God, you're talking to me. So clearly you just want [00:54:00] to fuck me right.

now. I mean, come on.

Aaron: Right, right.

Tamu: You just assume that because the man is gay, that they want to fuck every man. That's not how it works the same way. You don't want to fuck every woman idiot, although maybe they do because they're men with dicks, whatever. 

Sometimes your Dick is discerning. You might not want to fuck that 

Aaron:  As you know, I'm a fine connoisseur of Mexican, men. I was a fine kind of, sort of Mexican man I was dating some guy, Mark is Mexican, and I was dating some guy, dating is such a strong term. Let's I was hanging out with some boy. I'm sure that I wanted to have a relationship with and, didn't work out.

And I remember mark, just telling me this one thing he said, you know what? You just gotta remember something. He says, you got to have one for your Dick and one for your heart. 

Tamu: Oh, my. 

Aaron: I know,  I said, that explained it to me. It made everything so clear to me in that one moment.

Like all the guys I dated, I was just like, yep. There was no heart there. It was all Dick

Those were the good old [00:55:00] days.

 I'm very proud of, my journey, my story as a gay man, I'm, a happily married man for almost 18 years and I have children and,  looking back at my 21 year old self, I never thought that I would. have children, that I would be in a stable relationship. Like none of this was possible. Society made all of us feel like this wasn't possible. And it's really nice to see us normalized. I hate saying normalized because we are who we are.  And  what is normal?

That's always the big question. I don't know. I have mixed emotions about pride. It served its purpose at one time. 

Tamu:  well, we're glad you had fun. 

Aaron: Yeah, so happy pride. I don't have any parting thoughts about this other than, I really have this desire to get more involved in the community, especially here in Portland.  We've been here for three years this week I know that's the longest we've ever sort of stayed somewhere with.

You in my heart, huh? Yep. I have a desire to know the community.  I wanna go to a black church and, be around my people and introduce them to [00:56:00] my culture, because  there's not much here.

 I was a kid, I don't know that our parents really had pride in our culture. Right. They were just trying to get us by. And now we have an opportunity to make our kids  proud of this beautiful fucking world that we're in and in their culture and where they come from,  it's beautiful.

So I want to do more of that..

Tamu: good for you. What I will say is I think at the end of the day, when you boil it all down, Everybody just wants the same things they want to be loved and they want to be accepted point blank to the period. 

Aaron: Facts on facts on facts.

Amen to that.

And if you want to get your rocks off, do it. What's the fucking problem. Shit. That's right.

Tamu: and we'll be back with our throwback. 

 and we're back with our throwback. since it's summer, we're [00:57:00] going to do something different. We're each going to pick a song of the summer and talk about it. 

And we get five minutes cause we don't have all day to be doing this.

Aaron:  You know, what, what is that really supposed to mean? Fuck you. 

Tamu: It means that I'm trying to  get you off of the here. It's almost two. O'clock your time. You're welcome. But fine. 

Aaron: So my song is Rose Royce's Carwash,

you know that song. 

Tamu: I do know that. I would hope to God, everybody knows that song. 

Aaron: That's my summer song. I was looking this up and actually this song came out in January of 1976. I was a young baby. I'll say that.  I didn't see the movie till later.

 I remember seeing this as a kid, a little kid in the movie theater. I swear. The only scene that I, every time I hear this song, there is a part in the movie, I think it's they're in the carwash in the little register area and the little black boy throws up [00:58:00] all over everything.

That's the only visual I have from the song. The movie was all fucked up, but  it was just such a groovy song and had all these things. Strings in,  and the woman's voice was just really smooth.  I always thought that the lyric, you might not ever get rich, but let me tell you it's better than digging a ditch.

I always thought it said, let me tell you it's better than being a bitch. And I was like, why are they able to play this on the radio? So I was today years old when I found out that it's digging a ditch, I kind of liked it the other way.

 I remember the parts of the movie, like it was summertime and it was cool black people, you know? But then I was looking at the trailer to this movie too. At that time. Aside from  having a mostly black cast, they definitely peppered it with white people too, even back then.

And I was like, damn, like black people could never just get like a film by themselves. It was seventies, ghetto culture that was on display. That probably didn't see the light of day. Past black people, I don't know that anybody knows that the song, everybody knows the song [00:59:00] carwash, but I don't know that everybody knows that it was a part of a movie.

But anyway, I love that song cause when you hear it, you just gotta lay the windows down. Get going. And when you get the extended version, that's the shit right there. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom,

Tamu: quintessential disco. And I think that's part of it too. It's like disco such a happy moment,  of fun Dancing. And that's why you have the, your extended versions of these songs that go on for 20 minutes, you high as fuck dancing. Right.

Aaron:  I think we'll have some sort of musical explosion, not like disco, but like something feel good music. 

Tamu: Music sucks right now. to me, it just hasn't been good in like 10 years. So I just kinda feel like, yeah. Who the hell knows where these kids are going to do half the time.

I don't understand what they're saying anyway. They're weird. Drugged out raps. 

Aaron: Rappers that sing you know what kills me the most is Post Malone. I'm like, how is Post Malone a rapper? 

Tamu: I don't [01:00:00] know. 

Aaron: He doesn't rap. He sings

Tamu: Does he?

Aaron: He's also an Italian kid from New York. No, that sounds about right though.

Anyway, so that would be in for me. Hey, get your

what's yours girl. 

Tamu: Mine is Meeting in the Ladies Room, by Klymaxx. I love this song. It came out in 1984, so I was a whole, what, maybe 10 years old. And why would I be liking a song? Some bitch gonna fight somebody?

I don't know. I just liked the part about meeting in the ladies room. And  ladies just  hanging out, talking to each other or whatever. That's what I thought it was.  In my 10 year old brain. There would be points  when we would go to  functions and I'd be like, I gotta go to the ladies room and in my mind, like playing climax in the back.

[01:01:00] Yeah. 

Aaron: I thought I was on mute!

Tamu: That one's going in. 

Aaron: Oh my God.

 Tamu: The lady,  basically rap talked in the beginning. When I was listening to other Klymaxx songs, she's always putting some very specific information in like, he has this weird,  Yamamoto Kanzi sweater that I bought.  She's always putting in the name brands of things

For some reason I thought that they were Prince proteges, but they weren't, they worked with Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis and they have that Minneapolis sound with the synthesizers and stuff.  Then I didn't realize that they had all these other songs that I didn't think were them.

I thought for some reason where the Pointer Sisters or some other girl group The Men All Pause, which I'm saying  menopause


Aaron: the men all pause!

I Miss You. 

Tamu: I know what you love. I Miss YouDivas Need Love Too. Man Size Love, which I thought was the Pointer Sisters. For [01:02:00] some reason, 

Aaron: I never heard any of those. 

Tamu: Man Size Love was in a movie. I think that was in Running Scared.

anyway, so there was a bunch of songs.  I brought me back to the eighties and me trying to be funky in the ladies room. But then I watched the video today and I laughed my ass off because it is ridiculous. Yeah. I think the guy sitting in the chair, breakdancing 

Aaron:  I remember the Men All Pause and I was like, it's cute. It's kitschy, you know? But again, you know that I'm a ballad person. Meeting in the Ladies Room. I wasn't connected to that one, but the Men All Pause.

I remember that one. Maybe that's like a gay signal for me, you know, it was like a cautionary tale right there at the age of nine or 10, 

 Now I say the menopause because that's how I feel today. Oh, 

we should do a parody 

Tamu: as not talking to the room.

I sweat all through my Dolce and Gabbana blouse.

[01:03:00] Okay. And my pants that I got from the Gap for $3.99

Aaron: I'm sitting here at Panera bread and my titties are on fire. I want to take this bra off.

The menopause

just copy written. Copy. Don't try it. Don't try it. 

Tamu: no, I'm getting hot. Here we go. Menopause. Okay. Well I think that wraps up our show.

Aaron:  It does. 

Tamu: Do you want to do housekeeping? 

Aaron: I guess so I knew that was coming.

 the ward. Uh, all right, I'm going to move on now. Hey guys. Thanks for listening to us. Thanks for hanging out. Thanks for letting us have a summer. We love it. When you listen, comment and interact with us, we'll continue to post cool videos and the things we like on our site, follow us on [01:04:00] Instagram @whenthebillcomesdue follow us on Tik Tok @whenthebillcomesdue to or send us an email. [email protected] Please like subscribe, share, and interact with our podcasts, wherever you podcast. This is very important. Oh my God. Tamu congratulations. A thousand downloads. Woo. What the fuck does that mean, bitch? It don't mean nothing. It means we're not getting money for this, just so you know, if that's what you're asking about anyway.

so that's about it. Thanks for listening.  We love doing this show and this is the first time when's the last time I talked to you, 

Tamu: it's been about three weeks, 

Aaron: three weeks. So anyway. Sorry. That was a bug.

Oh my God. You got a lot of shit reel for me that with a bug You gonna get itchy with bugs? 

Tamu: Yes, I do. 

Aaron: I'm done. Okay, great. Thanks guys.

Tamu: Thank you [01:05:00] everybody for,  helping us get to a thousand downloads. It's really awesome to see that happen relatively quickly.  That's exciting. we will just continue to trot along and do our best. Everybody stay cool. We're out here in the hottest summer of the goddamn century. So enjoy 

Aaron: what's the weather like there.

Tamu: I think it was 90 today. I don't know. we've had nineties for over nineties for three weeks. 

Aaron: Oh shit. This climate change is real. The earth is burning. I thought to maybe because we were all quarantined around the world that this is the actual reset of the world.

And like, this is actually how it's supposed to be, but it doesn't seem normal. 

Tamu: I think that we would have had to be quarantined for a little bit longer. I mean, it did help other things, like look at Venice, the canals turned from shitty to back to blue, it helped for some things, but I don't think it's going to reset.

I think we would need to be down for another year, which I was. So I was like kind of hopeful for 

Aaron: fuck,

There's a bug [01:06:00] on me fuck me sideways. 

Tamu: All right, we're gonna close it up now. Aaron's gonna keep hitting his neck because he thinks a bug is on it. 

Aaron: Yes, I'm done. This will not be televised. 

Tamu: All right, kids. We'll see you soon. 

Aaron: Thanks. Y'all.